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Originally Posted by biohead
... His cat in the avatar?
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If it's NN's avatar, he's a player. (It changes frequently.)
Ryan
Gets an early chip and , at the same time, a player? Can't get better in life, eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
Though I'd say Arisythila's cat's cuter.
You into beastuality or something? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by alucasa
What I will post now is a pure unconfirmed information/speculation or so called FUD.
This is quote taken from techpowerup forum.
AshenSugar wrote:
I bolded interesting bit. If what he says is true or at least close to true then I think Intel get hold on 65nm K8 SiGe based core or basically revG2. Everything is possible. If you read my previous post I approximated date of release for revG2 and who if not Intel can get those so fast??Quote:
ok first off, 65nm will come first to almost unaltered k8 cores, should be seeing them poping up anytime, then mid next year k8L will show up, the one advantage of the new 65nm chips will be higher clocks with lower temps/volts, this should be a very exciting time for amd users who already have am2, if not, well u got what you got.
i was just told by a buddy at intel test labs that they aquiered 2 65nm chips, he dosnt know where they got them(nobodys talking) but they are easly clocking to the max the boards can handel at 1.4v, he said one of them is running at 355x12 (chipset/board can do more then 355 stable) thats 4260 at 1.4v they didnt try lower volts from what he said, hes gonna try and test it come more himself over the weekend(he can work some overtime and play with some of the new toys without alot of other people getting in the way...)
oh and temps where maxed at 35c with stock cooling from a sempy64(a chip they fryed by giving it 2.7volts ROFL) thats crazy, little cooler+slow fan+high overclock=low temp........
im trying to get him to take me with him this weekend, i just wana see these chips, play with them, see if im gonna be forced to buy one when they come out :P
Just a theory and high hopes :D .
nn...you KNOW that if ur gonna change ur avatar all the time, ya gotta keep us up to date with who she is, plus the important stuff like phone number....
@Lightmans post....I straight up dont believe what that guy says.
Well considering that is so far out of line from current chips, I will call bogus on this for now. They old saying "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" has a lot of truth to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I'm not saying it's impossible and I'm not calling anyone a lier. I'm just stating that with the given proof we have now, I will only dream that 4.2ghz on 1.4v and stock cooler is true. In reality, fat chance.
was that about the first gen 65nm cpus we're about to see?! that's way too insane to believe :confused: I have to side with stealth on this one ^Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
why do all the people getting early 65nm samples must be special enough not to have the right hardware to actually TEST it the way it's meant to be tested... huh? it's either crappy cooling, crappy mainboard, etc, whatever. how hard can it be? [/rant]
Lightman that part you quoted... 'if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is' <- LOL stealth beat me to it, read it afterwards.
lets do some math here people, There are two ways in increase clock speed.
1) Have more Stages
or/AND
2) Smaller process.
Given the fact that conroe has 2 more stages and is on the same process. One can assume on average it'll be closer to Conroe's 3.2-3.5 average overclock than 4Ghz unless they did something that Intel couldn't even with Billion and billions of research dollars. In which case I would laugh my ass for the next decade
From the other posts from quoted guy it seems that he was in this Intel Lab and saw some older experiments.
Here is link for whole thread:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=21757
I'm simply want to see 65nm chip from 0651 onwards. ;)
PS. Anyone know what is the meaning of "S3'" mark on Brisbane CPU??
I just read that thread... little discussion on the 65nm AMD, goes off at a tangent very quickly.
I saw the graphs tho, definately a catch up, but i`d like to know what AMD have done to improve benches.
At least we are back on topic ---> 65nm K8!
I think Nedjo's 3.1ghz is very reasonable. This is AMD's first batch of 65nm, so of course it's not going to be that much faster than the current optimized 90nm process. I think in a few month the new 65nm chips will hit maybe 3.3-3.4ghz, just like the 90nm chips gained a few hundred mhz after it was in production for a while.
Perhaps so but some things are so highly improbable as to be laughable. IMHO a Brisbane clocking to 4.26GHz @1.4V and running at 35C with a Sempron HSF is a great example. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Nedjo's results are probably very typical for the higher end Brisbanes at this time. 3.1GHz @1.5V running >50C under load with relatively high-end air cooling and exactly the same performance as Windsor is hardly unexpected. K8 simply isn't designed to ever reach 4GHz and AMD didn't work any miracles with the shrink to 65nm.
I highly doubt that a die shrinkage will result in a X2 doing 4.2Ghz "easy" at 1.4V and having max loads of 35C on the stock cooler. This is actually quite humorous. How could you believe this! Why doesn't Anandtech share similar results? Why does Anandtech get 51C at stock clocks? In other words, that post is "FUD."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
If they used CoreTemp as Nedjo to read temps. then Intel results are in line witch those from Nedjo.Quote:
Originally Posted by pauldovi
yeah right our dear anand.... did you see the screenshot? htt link is on 1125... and you question why they reached a wall? temprature is indeed in normal rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by pauldovi
There are more ways to increase the CPU freqfency:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
1) optimize stages, so all stage will have roughly equal propogated delay.
2) increase the number of stages, but reduce the propogated delay per stage. that means reducing the logic done per stage
3) increase CPU VID. that means that the energy efficiency will be lower.
4) make CPUs on process with faster switching transistors and better transistor interconnections. That does not mean that the process needs to be smaller. In theory smaller transistor means faster, but when scalled proportional. The problem is that the gate oxide allready reached its scalling limit and is same on both 90nm and 65nm, Intel "bulk" and AMD SOI-2/SOI-3 processes. Also the same materials with same parameters are used for transistor interconnetions on the mentioned processes.
AMD better be happy if Intel would not release Penryn before K8L. My sources are saying that it will be a monster compared to all previous x86 CPUs and that the 45nm with high-K will be very fast and energy efficient process.
I still do not see 65nm getting beyond 3.5. And the reason is they did nothing drastically different in the chemical mix on the shrinks, since 130nm SOI. Clocks then were getting upto 2.4-2.5ghz, and 90nm only picked up what, 400-500mhz? So, I really don't see 65nm doing much more than that unless you make changes elsewhere to inrease frequency.
Did you miss Nedjo's measured idle CPU temps? You do realize that it isn't possible for an air-cooled CPU to idle at 8C unless the ambient air is <8C (<46F) don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Assuming a more realistic ambient air temp of 21C (70F) and knowing that the CPU idle temp has to be higher than that by at least a few degrees, we can easily interpret Nedjo's erroneous Core Temp readings. Idle should be in the 25-30C range and load should be 47-52C since CT showed a 22C rise from idle to load. This would correspond much better with Anand's results and reality.
In short, your Brisbane @4.26GHz with 1.4V story is pure FUD.
Nedjo gets 3.1GHz @1.5V using high-end air-cooling, Anand gets 2.9GHz @1.475V using stock cooling and we're supposed to believe that Intel is getting 4.26GHz @1.4V and the same temps using a weak Sempron cooler???
Don't know if any of you noticed but Anandtech reviewed one: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2889&p=8
thats the last page about overclocking.
It only got 2.95Ghz
(my) Summary: About the same as 90nm, but a lot cooler & less watts at stock.
You're blind?? If Nedjo had wrong measurements form Core Temp then Intel guys had same WRONG measurements (in line). That was my point! Not that someone can do over 4GHz on air with quoted temps!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
READ -> THINK -> READ AGAIN -> THINK 3x!
LOL! This from the guy who posted FUD about 4.26GHz Brisbanes at 1.4V running 35C... :slap:
What is your new point? That this nonexistent 4.26GHz Brisbane that Intel is supposedly testing was actually running >50C load like others do at 3GHz because Core Temp doesn't read Brisbane's sensors correctly?
Let's just get serious here for a minute!! K8 is never gonna do 4GHz, the architecture is not going to suddenly jump through hoops because it got a die shrink and that is not what the shrink is about.
This is about Advanced Micro Devices changing their manafacturing process to 65nm, and that now starts with k8, but that doesn't suddenly make the chip faster or better, sure we may see a couple of hundred mhz added, but nowhere near 4ghz.
Let's just hope the chips can hit 3.5, cause 3.5ghz k8chips in my Quad Fx???:banana::banana::banana::banana: yeah, I'll take that!
I quoted some other guy putting clear that this is UNCONFIRMED, FUD, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
The reason I did that was to bring discussion back on topic (I mention this few posts back)! Read previous 20 or so posts! It's not that I believe in 4GHz K8, but some parts of that story make sense. I don't know how to put this more clear!
GREATE WORK Nedjo.... You are pride of Belgrade :)
LMAO :D , has to be the best sentence I have read in ages, got me laughing anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I know what you are saying Lightman, it's just the way you had put things, simply because of your english.Not putting down your english cause I think it is amazingly good, it's just it can be hard to stress your point accross sometimes, I understand this and other people should give you a bit of give and take too.
Yes! Sometimes It's difficult to me write down what I want to tell. There is a major difference how you explain things and build sentences in my native language and English.
I will improve over time thanks to you guys! I'm learning every day from you :toast: .
A while ago i predicted AMD 65nm would scale up to 3.4 Ghz but would take over a year to do so. Still, this first batch doesn't look so good. This overclock is comparable to a good opty 170 no more.
I apologize if I interpreted your previous posts too literally but I didn't know that English wasn't your native language and you were rather insulting to me a few posts back. Your profile location of "in car" could be anywhere. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Not if the Sem:banana::banana::banana::banana: HSF was 100% Copper monster with 8 heatpipes and 120mm fan spinning at 6,000 RPM :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
lol oces da kazes da srbin je dovatio brisbane brze nego ameri?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJoe
Naravno, Srbin je dovatio pre momci iz AMD :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
:D
Srbin ih je dobio od AMD ;)
I seriously doubt that any Brisbane could reach 4GHz even with 2V and that monster copper 'heatsink' filled with LN! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
I didn't want to insult you! Sorry if it sounded like that! And my location usually is in car across UK, sometimes europe :p: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
@Topic: Mayby Intel guys get their hands on ES of K8L with longer pipeline??
that is probably a lot more likely the case, but i still think its fud. hopefully we'll see in a few moths when k8l es start floating around. k8l might actually be very impressive clock speed wise, if it has a longer pipeline, a matured 65nm process and some sige added to the mix. f3 revision 90nm, which likely has sige already from the way it seems to overclock, has given a few hundred mhz boost to socket f opterons.
OF COURSEQuote:
lol oces da kazes da srbin je dovatio brisbane brze nego ameri?
NAŠ NEĐO JE ČUDO :)
A reason to avoid that website. Its good for a few things. Having a bunch of noobs talk you down, and ATI Tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
While watching the streaming video from AMD yesterday...I got too excited and actually drooled on myself :o
Why hasn't anybody mentioned that GPU thing they're doing in a few months? the external/internal graphics thing? I don't even have any idea what they're talking about. Thats good that AMD is focusing on the mobile market, but I want Barcelona! :(
:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
can u try what's cold bug limit :stick:
not equiped for that sort of testing!
you ever think about investing in a water cooling setup just for kicks? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
i would love to see this cpu under a single stage.:p:
feeling is mutual, why don't you get one then? ask Nedjo for his :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
And we all still w8ing for spi 1m test :(
Good job u do Nedjo; congrat.
I don't suppose that you still have the processor to be able to run Sandra 2005 SR1 (the last known good revision of the program that yields good data)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
If you do, can I email you a copy of the program (zip/rar/tar.gz) and run it? I've been dying to find some data on it on the net and it looks like that you're the only one that's done a "full analysis" of it so far.
Thanks.