Probably because it was like a feeding frenzy here just a short while ago, now its came to a screeching halt.
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Probably because it was like a feeding frenzy here just a short while ago, now its came to a screeching halt.
The Reps test system was also water cooled by a Danger Den setup. He spoke of being from Oregon and going to Danger Den directly to get the system built for the show. He also spoke of Danger Den having a 10% discount on the Item and if you entered the coupon code "quakecon" you would get an additonal 10% off. I've been to the site, tested this and it's true so hopefully this mod thing is going to work out.
Could it be a capacitor variable think ? :confused:
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
Most Intel chips have been internally locked since 1998. The major exceptions, of course, being the Extreme Edition processors and engineering samples. The CPU's were locked mainly to prevent unscrupulous vendors from remarking chips. Even if unlocking the CPU's were possible, why would a marketing person want to defy Intel's long-standing position of keeping the chips locked? It makes no sense.
If I understand him correctly, the board somehow unlocks or makes available upward multipliers. The entire presentation was geared towards overclockers, gamers, and enthusiasts. The hour was spent overclocking and overvolting the cpu. he put 1.6v on the cpu & got it stable @ 4ghz the first day. Day two only 3.8ghz or so. He also entered the system in the dell 3DMark 06 contest which I won. As I said before, it may all just be a marketing ploy to lure us into buying the intel 975BX board, but I'm not giving up hope just this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
How can you remark the chip? Change default multi and change cpu string and other data? You need serious hardware for this
Remarking chips does require serious hardware, but people still do it because I'm sure there's money to be made. Authorities in Taiwan busted a ring that was remarking defective AMD chips that had been stolen from plants. I believe that ring was using equipment to change the markings on the IHS.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...104071134.html
Got a question...when you have a 1066mhz fsb vs 1900mhz, doesn't the 1900mhz fsb win by like 5+% at the same clock?? So if you had option to have a lower mulit vs a higher multi wouldn't you take the lowest multi?
It's also easy to modify the windows part of the CPU, and from what I understamd, some have even done this at the bios level. Once you make these changes, some can be done easy, it becomes hard for the new customer of the PC to tell the difference until it's much too late.
What I haven't seen is someone using this method with an ES chip? Or have they? Are these chips locked or no?
I am watching this thread VERY CLOSELY.
Also, a heads-up. The Intel Bad-Axe is onsale tomorrow at Microcenter for only $219. This is the new revision for conroe cores.
I bought my OEM E6600 there yesterday. BTW, it only cost me $179 dollars. All Microcenters have a instant $200 dollars off if you sign with Vonage for 1 year. This special is going on through next week.
Cheers
Bear in mind that the rep used an X6800.
Everything about this utterly lacks logic, especially why a rep would let such a secret go at such an event as QuakeCon, where maybe one or two people would have the slightest clue what he was talking about. And a marketing rep at that, I doubt even he had much of a clue about what he talking about.
Was the rep useing a 6800EE? That would explain alot.
I bet someone at Intel just told this rep something about the OC Debug pins and something got lost in translation. :p: Not like much of the audience would understand or care which pins they were anyways.Quote:
an Intel marketing rep who was demonstrating the overclocking of Intels X6800
I'm wondering if he really has a degree in marketing because it's pretty dumb for a marketing rep to suggest to people that they can buy cheaper CPU's and just change the multiplier. I'm sure the execs at Intel HQ would be throwing a fit.
During the demonstration the rep was using a using x6800 on a 975BX board. During the demonstration the rep clearly said I'll show you all a secret after the demonstration and allow you to come on the stage. He clearly stated that if you want to unlock the multipliers on any conroe core 2 duo like the 6800 is already, all you need do is this mod. He clearly said this has been done back a the labs in oregon and its how they test the cpu's. Now no one but him knows exactly what he meant by all this. He even said that if anyone burns up or destroys the intel cpu or motherboard due to overclocking, intel will replace it. Now of course all this seemed like marketing aimed at the overclocking community, but I'm still convinced that no one would make such a false claim just to stir a crowd. Though I don't think intel is going to guarantee their products of failure as a result in overclocking.
Was he using the BIOS to change the multi with, or Intel Desktop Control Center ?
During the demonstration he used the bios to change the multiplier to overclock the system. He first lowered it to 9, then raised it to 10. But remember during the demo he was using a X6800 so of course this was possible. It was not demonstrated that this mod will unlock all core 2 duo's, but it was stated. During the overclocking tests he raised vcore chipset core etc then used intels control center to chose how much of an overclock was desired. He didn't seem much like an overclocking pro or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
so that "jumper" doesn't work...........
I am too after reading this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
lol...I see someone getting fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Well the only two people on here that said they tried it have not reported back other than to say its not working and they can no longer get into windows. They we asked to clear cmos which they hadn't done after the mod, & one said he was going to try a different bios. We are all waiting to hear back from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
They don't. Also, modifying the CPU in any way would void the warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
The limited warranty does not cover:
"...any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product."
Also not covered:
"...damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing"
I wonder....but could it be that the mfg mode is what's used to blow the resistors in an EE and turn it into a locked proc?...maybe that's what he was talking about.
Now with such a sentence, we can be sure that all that story is pure BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Well, let's think about this for a moment. With Intel losing so much market share to the enthusiast sector over the last few years to AMD. What is the one thing they can do other than the excellent design of the conroe to give that knock-out punch to AMD?
You really think this Intel rep sent to this function with the express purpose to show off their new products by Intel would just put his job, the means to support his family, his future etc. And to put all of that into doubt by leaking company secrets? I highly doubt it. C'mon now.
This could be the start of a grass-roots compaign to sink AMD even further. How many people would rush to buy even more Intel products while AMD is caught off guard if this is in fact true?
Think about it. Sure sounds reasonable to me.
Yes, I have thought about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixfootduo
First, no one has proven the multipliers can be unlocked. And as someone else mentioned, it could be a marketing rep who doesn't know what he's talking about. It wouldn't be the first time a marketing rep misunderstood what the technicians were telling him.
Until someone can actually unlock an Intel CPU via a board mod, then it all remains speculation.
It's been eight years since Intel began locking its CPU's. Don't you think someone out of the tens of millions of Intel users would have figured out by now how to unlock the multipliers, if it were possible? The multiplier is locked internally. It's not like the old Athlon XP days when you used conductive ink to close some bridges.
i'm sure somebody must have Bad Axe + X6800, why doesn't he try this mod.?
The X6800 is already unlocked. That's one reason why you pay some a huge premium for it. Someone needs to test with a non-Extreme Edition processor.
So, it is all a bunch of bs...
Track down that "Intel rep." it will not be hard, ask the people of the expo/tournament, and expose him, if he really exist...
Or, find out more info....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssilencer
I think this post was a lie. AFAIK there WAS an Intel OCing demo at quakecon but I don't think any of this thread was told.
If you were at the demo day one & day two you would know it was day two starting @ 1p.m. If you were there you would remember the system was in a plexiglass cube and watercooled by a special new dangerden set up which he said was on sale for 10% off and if you used the "quakecon" coupon code you get an extra 10%. Also if you were there for day two, you know that he ran over and was told to end. Also that the system with the flat screen that was set up for day to was moved to the floor just left of the stage as the discussion continued. Also you know the name of this marketing rep and that the last letter is "k" and not "c" as we would normally this it was spelled. If any of these day two things sound familiar to you then you certainly should remember every going on stage just as his demo ended. You also remember that two of the 975BX boards he gave away were emty boxes and the final winner got a dual core 900's series and 975BX and the boxes were not emty. + his lucky number ended in "69"Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Please, say I'm in error, or misunderstood what I heard. But do not call me a liar. Thankyou. Sooner or later the other group of people that were on stage taking pics of where the jumper was located etc will start posting the same stuff I heard. Someone somewhere will be successful with this mod I certainly hope.
I hate to rain on this parade, but this has gotta be BS.
I just came back from a local gaming LAN, & while we didn't have Intel reps giving us unlocking multis tips, we did have Intel & nVidia reps feeding us a lot of serious misinformation...
So yeah, i'd never trust the words outta their mouths.
Like what? You have me interested. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Nevertheless, there is an empty space there taht says MFG JMP next to it...which is awfully close to Manufacture Jumper...and I'm curious to see what it does.
If anybody actually gets this to work, It'll make me buy a BadAxe.
I can confirm this mod did nothing for me. In fact I removed the conductive ink, and cleared the cmos and my board started right up. I also did the bios mod to un-lock the EE settings in the bios and that worked just like a charm, so I am calling this fake on the part of the Intel rep.
Marketing guys ... gotta love them. With lots of blunt force trauma to the head. :rolleyes:
I thought X6800's were not unlocked on XBX's?
anyways, pretty funny location to put an unlock jumper :D
Is that true? If so, it means people with the Bad Axe are paying at least $450 more than an E6700, just to have an 11 multiplier.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
um i highly doubt intel will give you a new CPU if you blow it overclocking. pure nonsense. if its true, 1.8v on stock air, i will try!
There was, but the guy didn't know what he was doing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
If that's true, than maybe that "jumper" is for unlocking the X6800 on the XBX?!?! Not "all" Core 2 Duos, just the X6800?!?! Anyone tried that!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
X6800 B1 and B2 multis opened (also vcore up to 1.6V) on Bad Axe 304 with the newest bios without debug pins shorted.
for the nth time, X6800s are already unlocked downwards AND upwards. you don't need any mods to get these multipliersQuote:
Originally Posted by GrossmeisterB
oh ok dumo, just be faster than me. ha
I have the 6800EE and a badaxe 304. No mods were required to unlock the multi. Things got real sweet when I hit 1333 FSB. Nice board and chip.
Even better, its a work related expense and doesn't come out of my pocket.
I don't understand a word you said. I wasn't at quakecon, wish I was. Either way this mod DOES NOT WORK apparently so it's a load of BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Are you cross-eyed or what?!?! Someone said, that changing the multis UPWARDS does not WORK on the BadAxe, I know that the X6800 has free multis, but if the board doesn't let you change the multi, it doesn't work...I then said, that MAYBE this mod will "solve" this problem, letting you change the multis on the BadAxe with a X6800 CPU...Quote:
Originally Posted by m0da
But I had no info that the newes BIOS on the BadAxe solves that problem, so it's all fine...I allready knew the X6800 wasn't locked at all, I only knew there were problems with the BadAxe...so what?!?!
You can change the X6800's multipliers on all Bad Axe boards rev 304 or later :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by GrossmeisterB
And there's a different mod for changing the multis on previous revisions...
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I guess it was never much chance this mod would work, but it was worth testing out anyway. Thank you nemesis for this thread, it was fun as long as it lasted, got us quite exited for a moment there =) Thanks also to the brave men who tested it out :thumbsup:
It appeared you called his original post a lie, therefore him a liar. He's just defending himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
No he called the Intel rep a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by deeznuts
Are you sure? Doesn't seem to be pointing anything at the Intel rep in this post. And I said appeared, I don't know what he was thinking when he posted, just interpreting it as it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
too bad... that would've been NICE. Imagine a e6300 with a 12x multi :D for $199
big fake ...
This is just another sign of the times my friends.
Business ethics and morals has really gone down the toilet the last 5 years or so, marketing now is so focused on creating a stir about the product...doesnt matter true or false.
Thrustworthiness and credebility has become more a day to day based thing, they know we forget the bads pretty quick and are very proned to jump on anything new that is supposed to be the new "thing" to get.
An Intel rep that lies, a memory "reviewer" that shows fantastic results and so on...different dung from the same pile if you ask me.
Cherrypickin', fantastic mods, TV Shop...saaaame shajt! :D
Here, Here, CLINT!:D
well that sucks. Also there was a Chinese vendor who sold remarked celerons that appeared as p4's with 1/4 the cache.
IMHO, the problem is that most companies don't really think twice about who represents them. Most of the reps don't really have a clue. They are too far away from the engineers and don't talk to them as often and as long as they should. So, in most cases they know parts of the truth, but not the real facts as a whole. And then that is leading to statements that are indeed, at least partly, untrue. I'm sure this "MFG JMP" ("Manufacturing Jumper"?) does have a interesting function, but it just looks like it's not unlocking the multiplier.
What I wanted to say is: There pretty sure is a part of the truth in The Nemesis's post. You just need to find out which part it is. ;)
First thing first... I was also at Quakecon, and the rep did indeed state that there was a very easy mod to fully unlock core 2 duo multies (but only at the second presentation, which was in all other ways identical to the first)...as for the "intel will replace fried OCed procs" claim, he said that, then clarified that intel would have no way of knowing you had OCed the proc in the first place if you hadn't told them, so you could (ab)use the warranty to get a knew proc. As for loosing money, i don't think very many people are savvy enough to do this mod as a money-saving tactic-so all it would really do would be to secure intel's foothold in the enthusiast sector. All the nay-sayers who say that this is a big lie...GO TO HELL, I tell U! :slapass: maybe the intel rep was mistaken, but don't ever doubt what he said. Good luck to those who try this mod-If it works, confirm it, and i'll know which core 2 duo board i'm getting.
So works this mod or not ? :stick:
Or is it a hoax or something ?
No one on this forum has been able to make this mod work. Whether it's a hoax or not, we only know what the rep told the two guys in this thread that were there.
Is it true that there are options unavailable to change on the intel 975X board unless you using the x6800 extreme? (not multiplier up or down but FSB & voltage options) Perhaps this mod enables those options on the other chips except multiplier up. Still haven't gotten my board to see for myself, but I will update when I do.
I saw a video at youtube.com five minutes ago named "Unlocking Conroe 2" where the Intel guy explained that the points to short cut were right behind the BIOS reset/default jumper. Could anyone post a high resolution pic of the BIOS jumper area of the Bad Axe board please?
Here's the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7kAIsZE9MU
Behind here?
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bx/pix/bx_jump.gif
Thats probably the same dude... or maybe its just a huge fake on intels part! If this has happend in 2 different locations, then yea, somethin is up. It either works, or intel will say thats not what we told them! They just didnt read correctly. 2 people making the same "mistake"... interesting I must say.
WOw! seems pretty legit to me after watching the video (not that I did not believe the OP). I wish we could figure this one out!
Yes thats correct. It will unlock a few hidden options but we already knew this so. Your never gonna see an unlocked conroe, plain an simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
To me it seems like the enthusiast at the Intel conference got it all wrong. He said the point to short cut was between the two s-ata ports, behind the fan plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by komokazi
This video proves that the point is located behind the BIOS reset jumper. That means the Intel guy probably wasn't wrong, but can anyone with the Bad Axe board post a pic of the BIOS jumper area too see if there is something there?
Or did we know about the things it would unlock, and that point was located behind the BIOS jumper?
Unless it`s XE ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
ALL INTEL CPUS HAVE INTERNAL MULTY LOCK
NO MODIFICATIONS TO MOBO CAN POSSIBLY UNLOCK IT
well yea. Besides the XE models:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
very interesting, the guy who says it works doesn't even know what a conductive pen is. good luck, i would love for this to work, but i am highly doubtful. FCG would have already found this mod.............
The video describes the "OC Debug" jumper. This unlocks Vcore and Vdroop settings. A valuable mod but only the X6800 will allow changing multipliers in BIOS. This mod has pictures elsewhere on this site, I believe, if anyone is interested. Having Vcore available if a "Requirement" for overclocking. Period! Good luck. :)
I think we should all thank The Nemesis. He made it quite clear about where he got the information and what it was. Unfortunately, it turns out this was coming from an Intel rep who didn't know what he was talking about. That reflects on Intel, not on anyone who reported what he said.
If it had been true it would have been very big news indeed, and reporting it to us merely shows a regard for this forum that we should respect.
Thank you for your efforts The Nemesis.
Ok I just watched the youtube video, the Intel guy said "it will unlock all Intel CPU's"
He didn't say unlock multi's he didn't say exactly what it would unlock other than all Intel CPU'S. A play on words on the Intel guys part. That statement could be taken a lot of different ways :)
Who ever found the youtube video :toast:
DURING INTERNAL TESTINGQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
here is what you should all take from this thread and close it
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
"that'll unlock all intel CPU's"
He said it pretty clearly. Stupid liars.
The chips with EIST can and have in the past adj multi's "downwards" so that is not 100% locked. Non XE unlocked upwards is a nice dream, but a dream it is :).
I read the thread because I was hoping their was a way to get downwards multi adj's via BIOS on the BadAxe, rather than fiddling with CPUID or ITK.
Looks to me the thread has some purpose seeing all those that didn't know about the BadAxe having a Debug jumper mod for unlocking "some" OC features for non XE/ES CPU. :toast:
Blue, will crystalcpuid allow to adjust multi downwards without EIST...AND...is this EIST on the cpu or northbridge?
This is how you do it on the BadAxe, I asume it would work with other boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ght=MSR+Editor
Nevermind, just realized people were talking about this video above this post, IGNORE ME >.>
Agreed. The video makes it quite clear that he was just reporting on what he was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by charleski
I have the vcore setting in BIOS with my E6600 ES but it doesnt do anything :( Pain in the butt to do it using the ITK. Gotta get me a condictive pen. Hmm, anyone know how to remove conductive ink by the way. just in case I have to RMA this sucker at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVIL_DK
I live in Texas. and Yes this works to unlock some Bios Features just use a conductive pen and short the last two pads its right behind the BIOS jumpers it has an OC onthe board. IT WILL NOT UNLOCK THE MULTI it will give you access to get enhanced power slope, FSB override (800,1066,1333) vcore and a couple other things
it works I will take a picture of the board is a few minutes
DP
The vid also has him say all bad axe's at the end!! Thats a big mistake for one big nasty sweaty yank talking out of his deryair i say.
So i have sent an e-mail asking with a link to the vid and made it very strongly worded. Also have cc the mial to my ex whom works in the ES dep @ Intel to see what she can dig up!
It seamed from the vido he was under presure as all wanted to rape away at him and the rig!
FCG posted this pic!
http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/XBXJump.jpg
J8J4 is the MFG Jumper ie: that small squar box nowt eles! The other bit that FCG has marked is for a Cap!
I await a suden reply off Intel! if i don't get anyhting in a few days i'll call em!
any news?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
We can just forget any hope, don't we :slapass: ?
:slap:
i thought we found out this was false
i dont think wed forget about turning an E63 into an X68 for free
Yeap - it DOENS't WORK :(Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
It is like bios lock at default settings - nothink possible to change
one thing to remeber is that both asus and bigtoe claim it can be done, so while im sure this isnt it, i wouldnt be too surprised if it happened someday.
the chip itself is locked, nothing to do with the bios. If you can hack the CPU itself well then maybe yes it would be possible
Asus apparently claim to be able to unlock multipliers upwards on some chips with new bios. :bounces:
The article claims that Asus has stated. (Read Below)
Even more exciting is that ASUS says they have found a way to unlock up or down most Conroe chips.
Some Conroe chips also unlock at the top, allowing ranges to about 14x. None of our Conroe chips unlocked up, but you may be one of the lucky ones who have a Conroe that unlocks both down and up.
ASUS tells us that many Core 2 Duo chips also unlock upwards, but the upper limit is around a 14X multiplier with those chips that do unlock in both directions. If true, we're certain those chips that can unlock completely will be quickly figured out by enthusiasts and those models and steppings will become the most highly desired Core 2 Duo chips.
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2822
If Asus has found a bios to unlock CPU multipliers, then a modified bios could do the same for BadAxe.
:clap:
Is any one still reading this thread? :rolleyes:
These statements are kinda stupid, what does it mean you might be the lucky one, heh :D
Only XE unlock up, that's it, other conroes will not unlock up
isnt that an old article from august?
Man Im a little late reading this but I sincerly hope this but I thought this was a dead story with no proof.
Well now that you bumped it, a whole new bunch of people are going to read about it. Congratulations :chicken:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alchemist
The guy was also at the PDX lan in Portland. He was a total noob. There are other videos of him trying to fiddle around in the bios and the board doesnt boot its pretty funny.
Guess I need to pm a mod to close this thread.............
before you do this, you should make your sig much smaller ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
but sending a pm would be a good idea, before this ends in a flame-war!
Well, where is the mod to close this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
:confused: