Welcome the return of VX from OCZ...VX2

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Originally Posted by arisythila

Eta?

Edit: Looks like its going to be released on the 7/07/06, for around 460ish. I picked up a set should be shipped in the next few days.

~Mike

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Checks Monarch's site...

$$469.00!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I thought VX was value performance...

VX is Voltage eXtreme.

The same exact G.skill chips cost $490.00. I bought 4000VX for $200 or somthing when they came out. These chips are rediculously priced. Where are the price cuts? :(

ouch :S

available at NCIX Canada soon ?

Yeah, I think memory is going to turn into like video cards, and CPU's and stuff.. I dont understand it myself.. but I thrive on being the top of the line.. so I will pay the out rageous prices, plus OCZ treats me good.

Edit: I mean paying 600 dollars for a video card, 1100 dollars for a Processor, and now paying 500 dollars for memory... LOL

~Mike

OCZ website having issues again :(

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Originally Posted by Anemone

OCZ website having issues again :(

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Yep.....been trying to fix it all day.

Patience :D

what steps has OCZ taken to prevent the repeat of the VX death syndrome for this VX2 generation of RAM modules........... :p:

LOL, I cant wait to get my VX2!

dinos22: Lifetime warrenty pretty much wraps it up.... what else could you ask for?

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Originally Posted by dinos22

what steps has OCZ taken to prevent the repeat of the VX death syndrome for this VX2 generation of RAM modules........... :p:

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Don't run them at 2.5 volts 24/7.....you guys should know by now that specialized ram is suited for high speed benching runs when you need all the speed you can get.....Don't tell me you can't or are not willing to game 24/7 at 100 MHz less with .4 less volts and lose the 5 FPS difference :p: :D

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Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

Don't run them at 2.5 volts 24/7.....you guys should know by now that specialized ram is suited for high speed benching runs when you need all the speed you can get.....Don't tell me you can't or are not willing to game 24/7 at 100 MHz less with .4 less volts and lose the 5 FPS difference :p: :D

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heheheh.....mmm no :p: j/k

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Originally Posted by arisythila

LOL, I cant wait to get my VX2!

dinos22: Lifetime warrenty pretty much wraps it up.... what else could you ask for?

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oh man if you only knew about warranty in Australia........lots of ppl resorted to sending their sticks to US for repair.......imagine the cost and length of time if they go pair shaped like old VXs were going

one retailed that's kind of in bed with OCZ and everyone else :rolleyes: i wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole :slapass: >>> suppliers are mediocre and faced with that you end up resorting to sort out the problems youself at personal cost (time&money).......for me it's OK i guess cause i've always got :banana::banana::banana::banana: lying around but you know how it is..........you've gotta back down to used the stuff 24/7 but even then old VXs were dying.........if you go below 3.3v they were useless.....i had 3xpairs of 4000VX sticks and none of then could get stable at all below that with any speed lol.....as soon as you give them 3.3v 250MHz with your eyes closed....really strange ram heh..

DDR2 is a whole new ballgame though so OCZ can only get better at it :toast: with more experience

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Originally Posted by dinos22

oh man if you only knew about warranty in Australia........lots of ppl resorted to sending their sticks to US for repair.......imagine the cost and length of time if they go pair shaped like old VXs were going

one retailed that's kind of in bed with OCZ and everyone else :rolleyes: i wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole :slapass: >>> suppliers are mediocre and faced with that you end up resorting to sort out the problems youself at personal cost (time&money).......for me it's OK i guess cause i've always got :banana::banana::banana::banana: lying around but you know how it is..........you've gotta back down to used the stuff 24/7 but even then old VXs were dying.........if you go below 3.3v they were useless.....i had 3xpairs of 4000VX sticks and none of then could get stable at all below that with any speed lol.....as soon as you give them 3.3v 250MHz with your eyes closed....really strange ram heh..

DDR2 is a whole new ballgame though so OCZ can only get better at it :toast: with more experience

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I thought the 4000VX was good, I still had some running in another puter running 3.3v 2-2-2 250mhz.. been running for about a year now.. Im pretty impressed.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by Tony

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=141286

First place to have it, as yet the only place so as more have it in stock the price should get more competitive. We are ramping up shipping so you should see ore resleers soon featuring it.

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too bad I dont buy fro monarch. They treat costumers bad. I will wait for other shop to get it. I hope comes to Europe soon.

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Originally Posted by MonkSP

too bad I dont buy fro monarch. They treat costumers bad. I will wait for other shop to get it. I hope comes to Europe soon.

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They treat me GREAT. I remeber hearing that they had some problems, but I have had NO problems at all since I've been ordering from them.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

Don't run them at 2.5 volts 24/7.....you guys should know by now that specialized ram is suited for high speed benching runs when you need all the speed you can get.....Don't tell me you can't or are not willing to game 24/7 at 100 MHz less with .4 less volts and lose the 5 FPS difference :p: :D

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Sorry Rider,
If i want 900Mhz , I go with some cheaper OCZ products like the 6400 EL.
Does 450 4-4-4 or even 4-4-3

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Originally Posted by Jaco

Sorry Rider,
If i want 900Mhz , I go with some cheaper OCZ products like the 6400 EL.
Does 450 4-4-4 or even 4-4-3

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Im sure they will run 1000 mhz w/ 2.3v not 2.5v

Im also pretty sure he means these may scale to 1100 mhz or higher I am not quiet sure yet, But the ram is garranteed to DDR2-1000 w/ 4-4-4

But the memory does run 1000 mhz @ 2.3v but has a EVP to 2.5v. Isnt that great?

I will have the memory by tuesday, or wensday.

~Mike

Memory shipped a bit late. Looking at Wensday/Thursday.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by Tony

i know its fine at 2.3V and this is where the warranty stops so its best that i showed performance at this speed.

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Ooo, I don't agree! ;-) Lets see some 2.6v runs ;-)

I will test up to warranty limits, 2.55v

~Mike

Lets see some results! :toast:

Fedex should be here in about 2-3 hours. I will bring my personal results soon.

~Mike

Who cares about the color of the HS, as long as they perform and oc well....
Looks to be a winner there... New Micron i guess....
Maybe its time to give my G.skilll some competition..Wonder when or if they will show up in Norway.....
timings and speed looking good.....
Can't match my fatties though... so i guess its going in my gaming rig..

Just got some in, although I am running a rather wimpy Intel so I will not be pushing half the performance of some people.

http://www.deathspawner.net/etcetera...8000_thumb.jpg

Init tests with 250 FSB, stock settings.

Everest 3.0 Read: 7826
Everest 3.0 Write: 5309
Everest 3.0 Latency: 67.4
SANDRA Buffered: 6425/6422
SANDRA Unbuffered: 4344/4371
PC Mark 05: 4869
3D Mark 01: 23748

Going to be working on them for at least the next eight hours. Can't wait to see how far they will go.

Mmmm very nice! Cant wait until you post results! :toast:

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Originally Posted by Deathspawner

Just got some in, although I am running a rather wimpy Intel so I will not be pushing half the performance of some people.

http://www.deathspawner.net/etcetera...8000_thumb.jpg

Init tests with 250 FSB, stock settings.

Everest 3.0 Read: 7826
Everest 3.0 Write: 5309
Everest 3.0 Latency: 67.4
SANDRA Buffered: 6425/6422
SANDRA Unbuffered: 4344/4371
PC Mark 05: 4869
3D Mark 01: 23748

Going to be working on them for at least the next eight hours. Can't wait to see how far they will go.

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Damn your lucky, Mine didnt come in today, but they were drop shipped from a wholesaler, next day air, should be here tomorrow. I will let you guys know what I get when I get them.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by arisythila

Damn your lucky, Mine didnt come in today, but they were drop shipped from a wholesaler, next day air, should be here tomorrow. I will let you guys know what I get when I get them.

~Mike

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I found you can get just about anything you want when you threaten people. Not really :D

I look forward to your results. My 820 D depresses me. Here is the 'best' results my system can handle:

FSB 280, 3.92GHz
Everest Read: 8779
Everest Write: 5976
Everest Latency: 65.6
Sandra Buff: 7761/7800
Sandra Unbuff: 5057/4884
Super Pi: 32.797
PC Mark 05: 5020
3D Mark 01: 25112

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Originally Posted by Deathspawner

I found you can get just about anything you want when you threaten people. Not really :D

I look forward to your results. My 820 D depresses me. Here is the 'best' results my system can handle:

FSB 280, 3.92GHz
Everest Read: 8779
Everest Write: 5976
Everest Latency: 65.6
Sandra Buff: 7761/7800
Sandra Unbuff: 5057/4884
Super Pi: 32.797
PC Mark 05: 5020
3D Mark 01: 25112

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280 mhz?

So 1120 mhz? Your Sandra buffed, and unbuffed, dont look too good for that, With my current rig, I am getting almost 9000 mb/sec 7 gb unbuffed.

We will see tomorrow, I will post results.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by arisythila

280 mhz?

So 1120 mhz? Your Sandra buffed, and unbuffed, dont look too good for that,

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That made DDR2-933. No clue why I forgot to mention that. I am still tweaking, but am really held back by my damned CPU.

Anymore updates?

My overclocks:

250FSB 500MHz 4-4-4-15 2.3v
280FSB 467MHz 4-4-4-12 2.3v
250FSB 500MHz 4-4-3-15 2.3v
200FSB 400MHz 3-3-3-8 2.4v
267FSB 445MHz 4-4-4-8 2.2v
260FSB 520MHz 5-5-5-12 2.4v

I cannot tighten timings at all at stock, except for tRP which makes no real performance difference. I can't get anything above DDR2-1040 either. There are others who are achieving far higher than this though, so I know I am being limited by my hardware.

What voltage are you running those at? 2.3?

I got my set today, Direct from OCZ them selves. I have to reformat(damn trojen), and then I will get back on here, and post my results.

~Mike

Update:

DDR2-1000 4-4-4-15 @ 2.3v

AMD 3800+ @ 2.5 Ghz
Sandra Buff'd 9854/9804
Sandra Unbuff'd 8599/8483

Ill have more.

~Mike

I posted a review, but the results are nothing like what arisythila is getting. Going to get an AM2 in the next couple weeks to start seeing better results, and probably better overclocking.

More results. I was about to go to a max of 580 Mhz (DDR2-1160 4-4-4-15) I tried to post at 295mhz, and 300 mhz, couldnt do it. So I only got up to 290 mhz. I guess my little 3800+ sucks. Cant win them all.

520 Mhz Buff'd
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5097/520mhz2ow.th.jpg
540 Mhz Buff'd
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9...uffd7ll.th.jpg
560 Mhz Buff'd
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1...uffd2hy.th.jpg
580 Mhz Buff'd
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7...ffd10bo.th.jpg

I think this memory can do DDR2-1200 easily. But I am just unable to even post at those speeds. So maybe they are not capible.. But hell. Still awesome memory.. :-)

~Mike

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Originally Posted by arisythila

I think this memory can do DDR2-1200 easily. But I am just unable to even post at those speeds. So maybe they are not capible.. But hell. Still awesome memory.. :-)

~Mike

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doing great so far, whats the voltage in the above set?

and if you can't post at 300, then clockgen that old girl up. have you tried the chipset voltages? i haven't had any issues with my M2N32 and getting POST up to 330-350 no issues. if you want some screenshots of BIOS settings just holler and i shall deliver.

*** riiiiight...its late and i'm an idiot, your POST issue isn't board but CPU, your on the 10X. time to not just open the eyes but turn the brain on too ;) my bad ***

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Originally Posted by 3oh6

doing great so far, whats the voltage in the above set?

and if you can't post at 300, then clockgen that old girl up. have you tried the chipset voltages? i haven't had any issues with my M2N32 and getting POST up to 330-350 no issues. if you want some screenshots of BIOS settings just holler and i shall deliver.

*** riiiiight...its late and i'm an idiot, your POST issue isn't board but CPU, your on the 10X. time to not just open the eyes but turn the brain on too ;) my bad ***

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hehehe, yeah, Athlon 3800+ If I had a FX or something, I could hit DDR2-1200 maybe higher, This was all on 2.4v so I mean I still have .15v left.

~Mike

Why not just lower the multi and see if you can get DDR-1200?

If you lower the multiplier on AM2 you set a divider. 10x is a 5:6 ratio I think

At 9x I'd have to run 334 x 9 to get 1200 mhz memory (3Ghz CPU)
At 8x I'd have to run 380 x 8 to get 1200 mhz memory (3Ghz CPU)
at 7x I'd have to run 430 x 7 to get 1200 mhz memory (3ghz CPU)

Edit, If I did have a 12x processor, I could lower to 10x .... Eh, Still puts me in at 3 Ghz. Maybe able to handle 3 ghz tho on air.

~Mike

Hmmm...forgot about that ratio thing since I don't have an AM2 to play with yet. :slapass:

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Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

Hmmm...forgot about that ratio thing since I don't have an AM2 to play with yet. :slapass:

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yeah, sadly there's no way around needing a CPU that can do 3ghz to be able to get 600mhz ram.. silly cpu/5 remaining the lowest divider. i really wish cpu/4 had been put in :slap:

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

yeah, sadly there's no way around needing a CPU that can do 3ghz to be able to get 600mhz ram.. silly cpu/5 remaining the lowest divider. i really wish cpu/4 had been put in :slap:

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all i have been hoping for since i got my AM2 gear was a CPU/4. does anyone know if there ever will be a way to get a CPU/4 out of AM2 boards? or is it one of those situations were it won't be a simple matter of a BIOS implementation and something that just won't be possible?

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Originally Posted by RyderOCZ

Hmmm...forgot about that ratio thing since I don't have an AM2 to play with yet. :slapass:

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Yeah sucks, Maybe they can put a DDR2-1000 into bios like they Tony did with the DFI boards, putting DDR-500 into bios. Even then, the Socket 939's didnt have problems with lowering multipliers.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by arisythila

More results. I was about to go to a max of 580 Mhz (DDR2-1160 4-4-4-15) I tried to post at 295mhz, and 300 mhz, couldnt do it. So I only got up to 290 mhz. I guess my little 3800+ sucks. Cant win them all.

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Very nice set but would you be eager to show any demanding stability bench, please? :) The old-fashioned SPi32M will do and I suspect you could hit DDR-1140 with this kit - just want a confirmation :)
Thanks! :toast:

Alright, I will run SPi32m for you Bach

~Mike

This is very broad, I have not done any tweaking yet, but this is roughly as high as I can go.

CPU 2.8 ghz
1140 Mhz 2.4v 4-4-4-15 CPU at 1.45v. SPi32M Stable

~Mike

we need some more conroe results.

Im not sure if Conroe could come close to bandwidth that AM2 has at its disposal.

~Mike

Hey, are they available in Canada ? I have a few DDR1 set I love but no DDR2 yet. Sexy heatspreaders :cool:

My sticks are in the post at the min... just need my conroe then ill be able to see how well i do. i could do with some stock settings for these on a Asus p5w dh. please

thx

I´m currently doing a small compare between OCZ Titanium Alpha VX2 PC2-8000 and Corsair XMS2 6400C3 memory kits.

I´m doing most of the testing on P5W DH but I´ll test these sticks on other Intel platforms too... ;) Can you say Zeu.. Cheese...

Are those VX2 modules having any coldboot problems?
I remember many users had coldboot when pairing them with Lanparty.
I owned 2 of them and neither of them had problems... but BE forums have mahy users reporting them.

Im running an Asus board right now, But no problems at all with cold boot.

Excelent moduals

~Mike

If anyone is running these on a Asus P5w DH, can you PM me or email me your bios settings, would be a great help.

Many thanks

irzero@hotmail.com

Well, there is not much to say...

Both, Corsair XM2-6400C3 and OCZ PC2-8000 Titanium Alpha VX2 are based on IC´s from the same manufacturer. The specific model of the ic´s are obviously different since the modules react differently to the latencies.

To bring up the differences without meeting the limits of the chipset, I decided to ignore the rated latencies and use much tighter latencies instead.

Setup:

Asus P5W DH Deluxe (Bios 0602)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (B0 stepping)


Settings:3-2-2-4-4-6-7.8µs-28 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tWR-tRC-tREF-tRFC)



http://www.armada.fi/VX2-6400C3/Chart-3224.jpg

The discontinued Micron D9 rev. A, better known as "Fatbody" ic´s are still superior if you want to keep tRCD and tRP latencies at 2 clocks.



Settings:3-3-2-4-4-6-7.8µs-28 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tWR-tRC-tREF-tRFC)



http://www.armada.fi/VX2-6400C3/Chart-3324.jpg


The difference between OCZ VX2 and Corsair 6400C3 is very clear in this picture. The tRP latency seem to be very important for VX2.



Settings:3-3-3-4-4-7-7.8µs-28 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tWR-tRC-tREF-tRFC)



http://www.armada.fi/VX2-6400C3/Chart-3334.jpg



The overclockability of Corsair 6400C3 was held back by the cpu.
The maximum benchable frequency of the E6700 processor was somewhere around 3.5GHz. For some reason the 7x multiplier was very unstable even at 400FSB, while the 8x multiplier was rock solid at 440FSB.

Both of these kits can hit DDR1066 frequency with 4-4-3-4 latencies and 2.3V. Due the chipset limitation that is also the maximum stable frequency.

When the chipset limitation is removed by replacing the motherboard with one that uses ATI´s upcoming chipset, both of these kits can break DDR1200 barrier with 4-4-4-1 / 4-4-3-1 latencies and 2.4V.

If there is something that you would like to see regarding the compare of these two kits, please ask.

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If there is something that you would like to see regarding the compare of these two kits, please ask.

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awesome work!!! thank-you very much for the comparison, interesting results from your kits. the only thing i could ask to see is some AM2 action but something tells me it just won't happen ;)

silly kids and their conroes

Thanks for the comparison The Stilt! The results are very interesting to say the least.

Good comparo Stilt! You're getting some pretty good results with those VX2!
However, SuperPI 8M (or 32M) does not stress the RAM enough. Could you post some Prime or Windows MemTest results at above 400MHz?

Are These Titanium Alpha's all using the New Micron Die ?

Clearly not as good as the old D9 but still good.

But is was the same with the Old School Bh5 and the new parts. Old ones where better.

Congrats The Stilt very nice comparison

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Originally Posted by Astennu

Are These Titanium Alpha's all using the New Micron Die ?

Clearly not as good as the old D9 but still good.

But is was the same with the Old School Bh5 and the new parts. Old ones where better.

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I'm not sure if its new or not but my VX2 came with Micron D9GMH ICs.
I saw one dude gave these ICs up to 2.75V and clocked it up to 590MHz at CL4. However, I can't confirm this unless I Vmod my Infinity UltraII-M2 board. :slapass:

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I'm not sure if its new or not but my VX2 came with Micron D9GMH ICs.
I saw one dude gave these ICs up to 2.75V and clocked it up to 590MHz at CL4. However, I can't confirm this unless I Vmod my Infinity UltraII-M2 board. :slapass:

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yeah those seem to be the best ICs to get............Gskill is using the same ones on HZ

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yeah those seem to be the best ICs to get............Gskill is using the same ones on HZ

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Yup, they are some of the best no doubt. Clock pretty much the same as the much more expensive D9GKX. G. Skill is using them, among many others. I think Corsair was the first to use them in their 8500 1GB kit, although I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

nvidia chipset ;) :toast:

i'm looking forward to seeing what this stuff can do

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I'd like to see a Review, but the Intel 590 Chipset (nForce 5) uses the the memory controller form the nForce 4 Chipset, thus reducing the Memory bandwidth. Apparently, nVidia wont be making any adjustments until early 2007. :slapass:

With Multi-core CPU's from Intel looming ahead & onboard Memory Controllers, I'd say we are going to see some phenominal Bandwidth & probably on DDR3. W0W! :D

@ The Stilt

Which ATI Chipset & board please?

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yeah those seem to be the best ICs to get............Gskill is using the same ones on HZ

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Thats alot of voltage, I was able to get mine to 580mhz w/ 2.5v 4-4-4

~Mike

Check my previous post.

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Originally Posted by arisythila

Thats alot of voltage, I was able to get mine to 580mhz w/ 2.5v 4-4-4

~Mike

Check my previous post.

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Yeah... I saw your impressive clocks quite awhile ago. Could you help me some Systool AM2 Memory Timings and AM2 Memory Fine Tuning screenies, please?
I can't even pass 550MHz at CL5...2.5V also doesn't help :(
It's either my crappy Orleans memory controller or the mobo (Infinity UltraII-M2). You screenshot will really help us out..

Also, is it Super PI 32M or Prime stable at 580MHz?

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

I'd like to see a Review, but the Intel 590 Chipset (nForce 5) uses the the memory controller form the nForce 4 Chipset, thus reducing the Memory bandwidth. Apparently, nVidia wont be making any adjustments until early 2007. :slapass:

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edit: doh, forgot you were talking about intel, not amd. my bad :p: