AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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11-03-2010, 06:59 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

im really tired of hearing the "this one has more migabites" argument from those who think they know something

So you don't want the one with the bigger geebees?
11-03-2010, 07:08 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

So you don't want the one with the bigger geebees?

when a 5450 has 2GB of gddr3 and a 4890 has 1GB, and they guess wrong on which one is better, i give up on helping them.
11-03-2010, 07:17 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

when a 5450 has 2GB of gddr3 and a 4890 has 1GB, and they guess wrong on which one is better, i give up on helping them.

its true and that is the sole purpose these budget cards have massive memory - adding perceived value to nubcakes. especially on those budget dells running pentiums for 300$.
11-03-2010, 07:27 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

its true and that is the sole purpose these budget cards have massive memory - adding perceived value to nubcakes. especially on those budget dells running pentiums for 300$.

i was also thinking of dell xps gaming systems that start at 3000$ and come stock with a 980x and a 5670, lol.
11-03-2010, 07:36 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by zerazax

They're really good at keeping things secret

yeah but is that good?
intel isnt giving leaks any chance and leaks stuff themselves before anybody else can... and its working VERY well for them as they get lots of attention and free pr...
leaks arent bad, they are a tool and you just have to be able to control them ;)
shutting them down and not using them at all is stupid imo...
its like not using nuclear power plants because some idiots blew themselves up by not managing one well...

i wonder how big cayman will be...i dont think anybody doubts that it will beat the 580, but the question is how much ati will manage to push the 580 and 570 prices down... could get pretty painful for nvidia, and all that while intel and amd are killing the entry level and lower mainstream gpu segment which is around 1/3 of nvidias gpu volume...

nvidia wants market share over anything it seems, so this would be great news for all of us! its a shame but the days ati gave us great bargains seem to be over now... nvidia seems to be the new price perf king... unvoluntarily without a doubt, but hey, ill take it :D
both the 460 and 470 are awesome and the way it looks right now the 570 will HAVE to be a price perf king as well as a result of atis 6900 price pressure...
11-03-2010, 07:41 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

My prediction:

November: paper launched, reviewer edition
December: very limited availability for christmas shopping spree appereance
January: trickling yet still limited availability
February: good availability

Basically it will be ~2 months behind in good market availability compared to Cayman boards, December vs February. :yepp:

sounds about right looking at how nvidia rolled out products lately :D
what do you think about the 570 or whatever they end up calling the cut down 110?
11-03-2010, 07:43 AM
Sn0wm@n

leaks happening too early are bad ... they must happen at the right time ..

so saying all leaks are good is just wrong ... and intel pretty much owns much of all the market so they couldnt care less about leaks .... especially when they are still on top ....

ohh and nvidia the price perf king ... LOLL ... how can they be the king ... the 460 doesnt destroy the 6850 ... let alone the 6870 ... its not a clear win .. and both cards are withing the same price as the competition ... so its a good competition .. nothing else ...
11-03-2010, 08:42 AM
Eagleclaw

Late March?

Really? Why you think so late?

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

I still doubt they will have them in reviewers hands until very late november if that is the case. more than likely it will be december.

for good availability i still stand by my earlier statment of late march
11-03-2010, 09:08 AM
spursindonesia

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Originally Posted by saaya

sounds about right looking at how nvidia rolled out products lately :D
what do you think about the 570 or whatever they end up calling the cut down 110?

I think GTX 570 will be a decent card, perhaps performing slightly under the today's GTX 480. I have a gut feeling that in real world gaming, it won't be good enough against Cayman Pro, we'll see.

I really hope GF110 risk wafers are doing great -if they were actually made in the first place, since GF100 A1 risk wafers burnt them quite bad last year- so we can have plentiful GF110 based cards for christmas, but i'm not holding my breath.
11-03-2010, 09:25 AM
stangracin3

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Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

Late March?

Really? Why you think so late?

mainly because we have just heard the announcement to the announcement(November, 9) of an announcement(not sure of date yet.) of the card.

also i'm still waiting for JHH to hold up the biggest piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: fake looking card they can make. it seems alot of people have forgotten about the woodscrews. taking place about this time last year.

also the below quote will explain some more

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Originally Posted by Teemax

I love how the GTX 5xx rumors just popped out no where. Northern Islands has been in the pipeline for a while, and it was hardly a surprise for anyone.
11-03-2010, 09:29 AM
mibo

Hello, this is the AMD Cayman thread.
Please go to one of the GTX580 threads!
Thank you.
11-03-2010, 09:32 AM
stangracin3

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Originally Posted by mibo

Hello, this is the AMD Cayman thread.
Please go to one of the GTX580 threads!
Thank you.

Hello, There is no way you can talk about cayman without also talking about the GTX580 in the same thread. think about it. you have to compare launch dates, performance rumors, price, and other random BS.
11-04-2010, 02:09 AM
spursindonesia

Now, another spilled beans, but this one seems less convincing compared to the one in GTX 580's thread. Take it with a serious grain of salt, but a guy (which also a member of this forum) in my local forum told that HD 6970 will be priced at US$ 475 & HD 6950 at US$ 400 (Indonesian prices). Using the same formula applied in extrapolating GTX 580 USA MSRP, i estimate the USA MSRP of HD 6970 will be around US$ 429-449, while HD 6950 at ~US$ 349-369. He's just a general member, but quite connected/have good friends with AMD graphic AIBs distros here, often trusted to review newly launched products from those respective distros.

Perhaps i won't bid farewell to posting in this forum so soon, will i ? :D

PS: I hope he comes forward to clarify it himself. ;)
11-04-2010, 02:14 AM
thebanik

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

Now, another spilled beans, but this one seems less convincing compared to the one in GTX 580's thread. Take it with a serious grain of salt, but a guy (which also a member of this forum) in my local forum told that HD 6970 will be priced at US$ 475 & HD 6950 at US$ 400 (Indonesian prices). Using the same formula applied in extrapolating GTX 580 USA MSRP, i estimate the USA MSRP of HD 6970 will be around US$ 429-449, while HD 6950 at ~US$ 349-369. He's just a general member, but quite connected/have good friends with AMD graphic AIBs distros here, often trusted to review newly launched products from those respective distros.

Perhaps i won't bid farewell to posting in this forum so soon, will i ? :D

PS: I hope he comes forward to clarify it himself. ;)

That will be an amazing price if HD6970 is also the performance leader which hopefully it will be.....
11-04-2010, 02:16 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by spursindonesia

Now, another spilled beans, but this one seems less convincing compared to the one in GTX 580's thread. Take it with a serious grain of salt, but a guy (which also a member of this forum) in my local forum told that HD 6970 will be priced at US$ 475 & HD 6950 at US$ 400 (Indonesian prices). Using the same formula applied in extrapolating GTX 580 USA MSRP, i estimate the USA MSRP of HD 6970 will be around US$ 429-449, while HD 6950 at ~US$ 349-369. He's just a general member, but quite connected/have good friends with AMD graphic AIBs distros here, often trusted to review newly launched products from those respective distros.

Perhaps i won't bid farewell to posting in this forum so soon, will i ? :D

PS: I hope he comes forward to clarify it himself. ;)

got to have some serious performance if they price it that way.
11-04-2010, 02:22 AM
spursindonesia

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Originally Posted by thebanik

That will be an amazing price if HD6970 is also the performance leader which hopefully it will be.....

I have no confirmation whatsoever regarding performance. One thing for sure, AMD cards usually offer better value (performance/$) for the same performance level. And if the cards have good availability & they have manufacturing cost leadership, i won't be surprised if AMD will initiate another round of price war. We shouldn't forget RV770 story and how sensibly AMD was in pricing Cypress based cards in its launch day.

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Originally Posted by flopper

got to have some serious performance if they price it that way.

It should deliver plenty good performance if we extrapolate it from the way it would be priced & the price of its lower tier brother, Bart. But no idea regarding how it compares against its direct competitor.
11-04-2010, 02:41 AM
hurrdurr

$450 seems about right for Cayman XT. 5870 was $400, and this is a slightly bigger die.

Looks like 580 will have to undergo a $200 price decrease once the 6900 series is released.
11-04-2010, 02:47 AM
Gilgamesh

HD5870 2Gb Eyefinity official price was 479$ (no Eyefinity 2Gb from 449$), so I think that HD6970 2Gb, with bigger die size and more expensive GDDR5, will cost even more.

My speculation:
HD6970 2Gb - 479$
HD6950 1Gb - 359$
HD6870 1Gb - 239$

And leave room for no reference cards.
11-04-2010, 03:02 AM
Eagleclaw

lol I thought you were saying Cayman was going to be March.

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

mainly because we have just heard the announcement to the announcement(November, 9) of an announcement(not sure of date yet.) of the card.

also i'm still waiting for JHH to hold up the biggest piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: fake looking card they can make. it seems alot of people have forgotten about the woodscrews. taking place about this time last year.

also the below quote will explain some more
11-04-2010, 04:14 AM
TheBreezyBB

I think the 69xx would start from Sub 300$ and a maximum price of 450$ for Reference cards.
11-04-2010, 06:50 AM
stangracin3

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Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

lol I thought you were saying Cayman was going to be March.

ROFL no amd has there act together on the gpu side, and are slowly but steadily getting their ac together in the CPU side. I have a feeling this will be their year

btw its not like ive owned only amd and ati. my first system was a AMD/nvidia system. then i went to intel and ati. the only reason i went back to amd is it feels smoother to me intel feels all quirky like(or atleast mine did). I thought my AMD was so much smoother.
11-04-2010, 07:22 AM
spursindonesia

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangracin3

ROFL no amd has there act together on the gpu side, and are slowly but steadily getting their ac together in the CPU side. I have a feeling this will be their year

btw its not like ive owned only amd and ati. my first system was a AMD/nvidia system. then i went to intel and ati. the only reason i went back to amd is it feels smoother to me intel feels all quirky like(or atleast mine did). I thought my AMD was so much smoother.

Ouch, you shouldn't go there man, those are key words to summon a certain genie with Intel superiority attitude. :horse:
11-04-2010, 09:40 AM
cegras

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

Ouch, you shouldn't go there man, those are key words to summon a certain genie with Intel superiority attitude. :horse:

Brilliant : D
11-04-2010, 09:53 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by stangracin3

btw its not like ive owned only amd and ati. my first system was a AMD/nvidia system. then i went to intel and ati. the only reason i went back to amd is it feels smoother to me intel feels all quirky like(or atleast mine did). I thought my AMD was so much smoother.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=216514 :rofl:
11-04-2010, 10:04 AM
Olivon

3DCenter's prediction price :

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/67937d0...f15020ed9d.jpg

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