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11-23-2008, 05:28 PM
mAJORD

I would belive that. It's typical of 65nm chips especially, that they respond to cooling much more than Vcore. 1.45v was the sweetspot on them if you couldn't get temps way down. Pumping more volts on air, even very good air results in bugger all more headroom.

notably different to the intel's

but anyway, as mentioned, what is the stepping, and how old are saaya's chips?
11-23-2008, 05:37 PM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

It'd hurt AMD :D

When is the NDA lifted so we can see the real thing and not this damn speculation and useless blabla? Hey I SWEAR I have a 10GHz i7! ON AIR! 1,6v is NOTHING. But I won't let you see it beause I'm under my own NDA, instead I'll tease you a bit. Are you jealous? :hrhr:

They better release some real evidences of this soon.

Why don't you let our guys speculate? If you're not interested about those speculations leave this thread and wait January 8th ;)
11-23-2008, 05:39 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Why don't you let our guys speculate? If you're not interested about those speculations leave this thread and wait January 8th ;)

Speculation is all fine and dandy, but a lot of things here are said as being fact while there is absolutely nothing written in stone at the moment.
11-23-2008, 06:01 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Why don't you let our guys speculate? If you're not interested about those speculations leave this thread and wait January 8th ;)

Have you ever think that maybe we are more interested than you in P2, but we just don't swallow the FUD? Do you remember Phenom launch? Let's not repeat the same failures over and over again ;)

"FUD and speculation are the path to the dark side. FUD leads to false illusion. False illusion leads to desesperation. Desesperation leads to suffering". Oh wait, where have I heard that? The master speaks truth.

In two words: get real.
11-23-2008, 06:09 PM
mrcape

Well there was a sickening amount of speculation about nehalem, and IMO it was a bit of a fizzle.

I'm siked for AMD if it pans out, i need more stuff to play with.
11-23-2008, 06:20 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by mrcape

I'm siked for AMD if it pans out, i need more stuff to play with.

What's 'siked'? :p: I think you mean psyched, if so the me too. I can't wait to build my new rig next year, all I have to do now is get a job and earn some money....
11-23-2008, 06:20 PM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Have you ever think that maybe we are more interested than you in P2, but we just don't swallow the FUD? Do you remember Phenom launch? Let's not repeat the same failures over and over again ;)

"FUD and speculation are the path to the dark side. FUD leads to false illusion. False illusion leads to desesperation. Desesperation leads to suffering". Oh wait, where have I heard that? The master speaks truth.

In two words: get real.

You feel the need, you and others to come and save us from "swallowing the FUD"?
It seems you really underestimate XS members's capacity to separate facts and speculations.
11-23-2008, 06:31 PM
SocketMan

Can you run these in the current dual socket boards?
11-23-2008, 06:39 PM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

You feel the need, you and others to come and save us from "swallowing the FUD"?
It seems you really underestimate XS members's capacity to separate facts and speculations.

LOL, QFT! :up:

Most of the people "getting real" swallowed the i7 hype so easily. Hypocrites anonymous unitus!

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Originally Posted by SocketMan

Can you run these in the current dual socket boards?

Nope. I hope they'll make the FX run on a new 4x4 board or something like that, as I'm rather attracted to building a Gainestown system for rendering.
11-23-2008, 07:04 PM
mrcape

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Originally Posted by Helmore

What's 'siked'? :p: I think you mean psyched, if so the me too. I can't wait to build my new rig next year, all I have to do now is get a job and earn some money....

Yeah I know how to spell it, but I prefer the phonetic spelling because the correct spelling looks gross. It's silly, but it's the only case I do that.

You are on the same page as me, the more good options the better.
11-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

LOL, QFT! :up:

Most of the people "getting real" swallowed the i7 hype so easily. Hypocrites anonymous unitus!

Indeed. Some rumors and speculation are A-OK, as long as it's pro Intel...

How about everyone stop complaining about every single rumor and just accept that some of them WILL be accurate. If you yourself are incapable of figuring out what's accurate and what's not, that's fine. But don't drag the rest of us down with you.

Some people here are capable of thinking for themselves... Keep the whining to yourselves IMO, or post something moderately constructive that attacks the actual rumor. Crying isn't going to make i7 more attractive, sorry guys.
11-23-2008, 07:17 PM
Sparky

If 3.6GHz is average on air that's better than my Q6600, 3.2GHz @ 1.45v under water :p:
11-23-2008, 07:19 PM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Crying isn't going to make i7 more attractive, sorry guys.

Trust me, nobody's "crying" over i7. No need to be sorry, i7 is already quite attractive as it is. Let's see what has it been now a week and half since reelase? We've already seen 5.3Ghz OC's, 4.3GHz OC's on air? Yep, and it will only get better as people tweak and learn more.

The same thing will go for AMD's offering when they release it. It will get better as time goes on, but as far as numbers...
11-23-2008, 07:28 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Trust me, nobody's "crying" over i7. No need to be sorry, i7 is already quite attractive as it is. Let's see what has it been now a week and half since reelase? We've already seen 5.3Ghz OC's, 4.3GHz OC's on air? Yep, and it will only get better as people tweak and learn more.

The same thing will go for AMD's offering when they release it. It will get better as time goes on, but as far as numbers...

I'm just tired of the Intel-fan damage control. And you must talk to different people than I, because it seems a fair bit of people are upset that i7 isn't what they expected.

Now i7 IS exactly what I expected, an improvement upon Yorkfield. My point is, that it's not anything revolutionary, just evolutionary. Yet people want to make out as if AMD has no chance at competing.

If people are truly confident in their chosen company this round, I guess they shouldn't need the damage control at all... Odd that it's around.

The fact remains ,that Phenom II isn't out yet, so all we're going to have is rumors, speculation, and the occasional solid fact. So as a forum, we can either just not talk about PhII at all until it comes out... Or talk about it and debate.

I like the debate idea myself, and I'm sure you do as well sir.
11-23-2008, 07:38 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

I'm just tired of the Intel-fan damage control. And you must talk to different people than I, because it seems a fair bit of people are upset that i7 isn't what they expected.

Now i7 IS exactly what I expected, an improvement upon Yorkfield. My point is, that it's not anything revolutionary, just evolutionary. Yet people want to make out as if AMD has no chance at competing.

If people are truly confident in their chosen company this round, I guess they shouldn't need the damage control at all... Odd that it's around.

The fact remains ,that Phenom II isn't out yet, so all we're going to have is rumors, speculation, and the occasional solid fact. So as a forum, we can either just not talk about PhII at all until it comes out... Or talk about it and debate.

I like the debate idea myself, and I'm sure you do as well sir.

Very good points there :up:
11-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

If people are truly confident in their chosen company this round, I guess they shouldn't need the damage control at all... Odd that it's around.

I think it odder that you believe reasonable comments about Phenom II are coming from people who have "chosen company's" and that their comments are "damage control".

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The fact remains ,that Phenom II isn't out yet, so all we're going to have is rumors, speculation, and the occasional solid fact. So as a forum, we can either just not talk about PhII at all until it comes out... Or talk about it and debate.

I like the debate idea myself, and I'm sure you do as well sir.

So on the one hand you like debate but then attempt to stifle it?
11-23-2008, 07:40 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

I think it odder that you believe reasonable comments about Phenom II are coming from people who have "chosen company's" and that their comments are "damage control".

So on the one hand you like debate but then attempt to stifle it?

I think it yet odder that you believe you know which specific posters/posts I refer to.

I don't think ANYONE should be stifled. But I think asking for others to be stifled... Should be stifled. If that paradoxically makes any sense at all. :ROTF:

Phenom II might come out and be utter garbage for all I know, I wasn't at the AMD event. But so far the rumors seem pretty solid and look VERY promising.
I think select people may be a bit blinded by their like for Intel/dislike for AMD is all. All I want, my "mission" posting right now if you will, is for this discussion
to continue along.

Hope to not peeve anyone off, that's why I leave out names. I don't want to be "that guy" who has to pick on everyone and be a jerk. I'm merely rather strong
headed if you will, so please, try not to read TOO far into my comments.
11-23-2008, 07:45 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

I think you should probably read it like : "Just got it!" :rofl: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

Oh wow, he can do that folks. Me want one too. :D
11-23-2008, 07:46 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

I think it yet odder that you believe you know which specific posters/posts I refer to.

I would think your quoting and responding to T_Flight, might be a pointer here.
11-23-2008, 07:54 PM
G0ldBr1ck

I think at this point its clear that Deneb is going to be far more than any of us believed it would be. Thats what all the exitement is over so there is just no need for anyone to try and convince us otherwise.
Looking back on this thread I dont recal anyone stating that Deneb will be better than i7, there have been some if its better statement but on the other hand there have been plenty of posts saying i7 is better. Realy most of this has been one sided as far as forcing opinions on to others goes.

It realy dont matter to me personaly if i7 is a far better than Deneb because I can upgrade to Deneb with only a CPU purchase therefore it will be quite some time before I will be buying i7...........just dont have the money for it these days.
11-23-2008, 07:55 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

I would think your quoting and responding to T_Flight, might be a pointer here.

Oh, well that's because my post was directed at him, but not necessarily in reference to him.

I don't mean to imply that HE HIMSELF is a fanboy or doing any of the things I've talked about. I apologize for the confusion and I see where you're coming from better now.

Same to you T_Flight, please don't take my post that way. It was not written nor intended that way. Believe me, if I had something to say, I'd say it. But I think you're a fine poster.
11-23-2008, 08:04 PM
GAR

The Hype has been built up pretty BIG, lets hope AMD can deliver like they did on the 4800's, even if they dont come out on top, this is a good sign that they are headed in the right direction, but why it took so long no one knows.
11-23-2008, 08:12 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

I think at this point its clear that Deneb is going to be far more than any of us believed it would be. Thats what all the exitement is over so there is just no need for anyone to try and convince us otherwise.
Looking back on this thread I dont recal anyone stating that Deneb will be better than i7, there have been some if its better statement but on the other hand there have been plenty of posts saying i7 is better. Realy most of this has been one sided as far as forcing opinions on to others goes.

It realy dont matter to me personaly if i7 is a far better than Deneb because I can upgrade to Deneb with only a CPU purchase therefore it will be quite some time before I will be buying i7...........just dont have the money for it these days.

I think something that has been forgotten in the various discussions about Deneb is that it will be the Penryn Quads that it will be competing against first and foremost, rather than i7.

Not only that, but for many people looking to get a new computer from scratch, the E8400 and E8500 will also be a direct rival.

For those who already have an AM2 motherboard, then Deneb will be particularly tempting.
11-23-2008, 08:15 PM
rusty

is there any comparison phenom2 vs. core i7 ?
11-23-2008, 08:17 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks to tbone8ty in AMD section who posted the link,we have a couple of new bench and OC results for ES 940 from here:
http://markbench.blogspot.com/2008/1...ith-deneb.html
Seems pretty impressive!

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Originally Posted by Extelleron

I have to classify the 3dmark results there as "too good to be true." Something is messed up there.

The CPU Queen result looks very good but more in line with reality; if these results are accurate, Deneb will be slightly faster/clk than Yorkfield in that bench.

Well I think yorkfield may be a little ahead, at least based on my quick runs....

Q9550 @ 4Ghz
http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/2721...a725cfd9ad.jpg

Q9550 @ 4.25Ghz

http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/2f23...3a0f38524e.jpg

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