i did hear that the AI7 is picky so hoping it will do a lot better on teh IC7 once i get it back.
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i did hear that the AI7 is picky so hoping it will do a lot better on teh IC7 once i get it back.
just wondering... for u guys who bought a "pair" matched SP ... do you got a random SN or is it in order .. eg SN : 45 & 46 .. coz a few weeks ago a have about 20 pair of them .. and about 10 pair the SN's are not in order... lol ..
and the funny thing is... out of those 20 pairs... i found like 3 pair that are "seperated" and can perfectly matched again by switching them into the right box ...
= sorry 4 the english =
what 2 of my 256mb AA4T 44D sticks did on my AS8 @ 3.1v stable through sandra mem benchmark. Stock board.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
They are ready to go into a MSI Neo4 SLI Platinum :D
Spent 5 hours reading this thread if not more..people saying they were going to buy http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...218-062&depa=0
But I have yet to see a review of them yet...wat was the outcome?
I ordered them today...so I'll post my results when i get them..
If they are not aa4t..ill send them back and get the other stuff
hmm .. very crazy ...
allright, thx :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
Thats nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Where did you get them, tekheads ?
hi
i'm new here , i'm from holland and i'm dyslectic!
i have bought a dual kit twinmos sp 1gb with AA4T- 44D
my dfi lanparty is dead , so now i'm @ my kt600 :(
i only can booth @ 2-3-2-6 and not 2-2-2-6
now i'm burning the chips in @ 2.85 @ 2 3 2 6 @ 220fsb @ kt600!
for 2-2-2-6 you´ll need more voltage!
thats not that bad for such little voltage, actually. ;)
How did ur mobo die sting?
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...postcount=1816
Lol..you see that post? Well I just got it in..I am so excited I can't see what I got..Have to bring it outside for more light..Lol
**** UPDATE*****
I have the same exact lower numbers as this pic
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21890
Now I need to find out if my upper numbers are any good
and it has the two dots also
I've had the 50D too... I wouldn't expect too much of it... 225 or so :(Quote:
Originally Posted by godsa
why? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
The stickers are covered that sucks..ay yours has the two dots? all of them have the two dots I think.
Crap..I might have to open them..what week are your chips?
Sorry man I don't know any other language besides english..Lol
By the way is that spam?
// edited for promoting other site.
you shouldnt be advertising other forums in here sevenkaQuote:
Originally Posted by sevenka
// removed link.
geeze this sevenka is anonying...whos is he ?
Listen everyone !! Roflmao Omfg I think these are them
Remember this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by godsa
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...postcount=1816
Lol..you see that post? Well I just got it in..I am so excited I can't see what I got..Have to bring it outside for more light..Lol
**** UPDATE*****
I have the same exact lower numbers as this pic
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21890
Now I need to find out if my upper numbers are any good
************* Update*** THEY ARE AA4T..So I guess I have hit the jack pot..they have the left dimple lower corner..they have the two circles..they have a the AA4T....and the 50D..
Only thing is I need to test them!!
I JUST Fixed the links now..but thanks ..I was rushing and messed up
and ty..hope these babies can fly I need 260 min ;)
I was also trying to consolidate my findings..its so hard to find stuff in this thread.
godsa, not getting on your case... but how did you create those links?
click them...
and congrats on getting the AA4T. and you got the TMII, not the TMSP?
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...218-062&depa=0
Yes the TMII ..I have a very old cam let me c if i can get it too work..so u guys can c it..that helps to elimate bs and distrust..Quote:
and you got the TMII, not the TMSP?
Im in California...and these were shipped from La Puente..around 25 min from my house
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=696677#post696677
I jus saw that too... will have to start using that myself
sevenka :
check PM.
nonono...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
before the edit, it linked to:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/sho...&postcount=1816
which is ofcourse, not gonna work.
i just wanna know how he came to have it link to that... i just copy and paste, and let the board automatically add the [ url ] tags... anything more is a waste of time, and obviously doesnt work 100% of the time. :rolleyes:
and godsa, i was just confirming that the TMII were also AA4T, i didnt thing you were talkin BS.
I know but its always good to have confirmation..i dont believe everyone that post..not saying you did or didn't ..I just want to contribute to the thread.
Ok the cam is up..now I will figure out how to take a pic if the software allows..
Give me 10 min?
I will post them here as well..
The url? I GET it from the address bar control x then control v to paste..the message boards normally do the rest themselves..
Ill b bac
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...actualsize.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/godsa/pic3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../JPGpicone.jpg
I put up 3 only shows me 2 tho..let me try to get a close up of the chip..which is hard as hell to do..Lol
Well Hope I contributed to the thread..Have a good one
And because of everyone here at xtreme I have hopefully;) some kick ass memory!! Everyone that contributed..Thanks
TMII400= Confirmed men!!
$142 for a gig of UTT? Hello impulse buy :p, hell DDR Booster is only $40 more, $180 total; still less than the Patriot TCCD BP 1gb
I guess newegg has the utt in stock.. i might have to gamble again.
and the price of the speed premiums on newegg just went DOWN... thats surprising. still out of stock though.
to make way for the new DDR450 BH5 maybe :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
yep, that those of us that jumped at this have missed. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!
05034
W00T
tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please
I've read the entire thread froms start to finish, and I think I've got all the different signs:
Two dots on the chips
AA4T(not AADT)
Metal Staple like things at the side of the chips
44,50 or 60D at the end of the third line of code on the chips
A small hole in the bottom left of the chips
Are these things all correct, and are there any other specific things to look out for that are exclusively on ram with UTT chips? Also, are all speed premiums definately winbond UTT, or have some been not so?
all the characteristics are correct,Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
advantage of speed premium sticks is that those usually have 44D chips on them, with which you have a bigger chance to OC further than with 50D or 66D chips.
Both regular TwinMos and speed premium sticks come in two flavours, with winbond utt chips or with PSC chips.
So always ask which chips are on the sticks you're gonna buy :)
I've decided to sell my 1 GB kit of Speed Premium with a DDR Booster. My CPU can do more than 2500 mhz but my ram won't go over 250 2-2-2-5 at 3.5V. I guess I'll keep with my TCCD than.
Is there a thread somewhere explaining TCCD ram, I've just got back into ram and am utterly lost :(
Tedy Wrote:[quote]godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!
05034
W00T
tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please
[quote]
I will but for now Im out of commision..My an7 board was sold...and my Dfi is on its way from New egg but as soon as I get it..I need to send it out for mods..
So not for a week or more..
Tedy..U got 245..or is it higher now?
Here are a couple of links to short articles that might be of interest to those following the Winbond UTT story. It might also shed some light into the recent drop in listed price for the TwinMOS, as well as many of the other value rams currently available.
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Ma...ages=A4&seq=12
http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050201B2058.html
http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050131A4011.html
godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.
Winbond selling unlabelled DRAM chips in the spot marketQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Not sure how to interpret this story. Is there a problem with the chips being sold on the spot market? Is there a problem with the .11 process outside of the yields? Winbond spokesperson uses the word "if" and the phrase "most likely" when denying the rumor they were allegedy selling .11 process chips rejected by Infineon. Hopefully all is well and real story is Infineon rejected the chips due to a soft market and with a wink and a nudge to Winbond, let them sell them on the spot market. ;)
Does anyone have a darker vision of what transpired?
Glad you made it this far in to the thread. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
TCCD is now somewhat more of a closed book so there are fewer active and vast "OMG!!1!" threads dedicated to it, although recent sporadic reports of results at high VDIMMs may refresh the issue.
Suffice to say that at this time many of the major names in 'enthusiast' RAM are putting out very similar products, generally employing one of two BrainPower PCB revisions.
In most cases the quality difference is attributed to how stringent the speed-binning process is, although as always Lady Luck plays a major role too.
Sorry to ask, but what is "speed-binning"?
speed-binning = burning ram aka finding high fsb chips
The selection process whereby chips are filtered in terms of their performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
i.e. In the case of G.Skill and their 4800/4400 LA/LE/L... sticks.
Same PCBs, same TCCD chips but a variety of performance ratings allocated by the quality/determined performance of the IC used.
TEDY:You think its your chipset right?Quote:
godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.
3.4 You could probally get 250 easy.. 10 errors in 7 hours is nothing ;)
I just got my 2x512Mb sticks of WB UTT (That the shop called them)
They are of the brand V-Data and on the chips it says:
============
V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B
============
I plugged them in and booted up in the same settings at my 2x256mb BH-5 whitch is 260 10-2-2-2-9-12 1T 3.36v but i couldnt get in to windows, it just reboots when checking the sata raid driver or something (and i dont have any sata drives) so i tried the settings 10-2-2-2-10-15 and then it worked fine :)
A screen shoot of it, totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f..._3.36v_nr2.bmp
And here is another one but it isnt 100% stable yet, but iam working on it :)
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f...2_1T_3.56v.bmp
_________________
vdata as in value adata ram. I had this assumption in the beginning of this thread. I called Adata and they told me they weren't using utt. pretty new dates on those? maybe something has changed since then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
There is a whole series of articles and review over at AnandTech that cover TCCD, from its first debut in Corsair PC3200 to the latest implementations. The link below is to the first article which introduces Samsung's TCCD chips. You can entertain yourself for hours reading those reviews, plus others spread across the net. The one thing that has always puzzled me is that everyone of the major module makers has at least one product featuring the Samsung TCCD chip. Everyone except Samsung, that is. Has anyone ever seen a Original Samsung TCCD module, outside of the one pictured in the Anandtech review? Perhaps they decided they could make just as much or more money by selling the ICs to others.
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2082&p=3
i dont think vdata and adata are the same company... in most stores that sell both they are under different manufacturer headingsQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
@ wez , very nice clocks there! :) how about a 1M superpi?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Actually, they are the same company. Look under the "Multiple Brand Strategy" caption part way down the linked "article". It names both brands.
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/news/newsroom002.htm
Speaking of value ram and UTT keeps bringing me back to a topic that has surfaced every now and then, but has never really been pursued or resolved, or at least if it was, I missed it. If Winbond is selling UTT, which are either the excess or the cast-off chips that Infineon did not take, then what about the chips Infineon did take? Has anyone run across any of these and tested them to see if they perform like these TM? Logic would dictate that they should. After all, OCZ has used these excess chips in their PC2700 Value Series, Kingston uses them in their KVR PC3200 and both of these ramp up pretty good so if these are the cast-offs, then shouldn't the Infineon "keepers" perform even better, or at least as good, at high voltages?
I just saw some Infineon based PC2700 ram with codes ending in BT-6 (new with 0503 mfg date), but it did not have the Winbond physical attributes (dimples, etc). Would they look different or should they look like the UTT?
Anyone tested the Infineons?
I only get 37sec in 1M, cus i only got my 3200+ CO clawhammer at 2340Mhz (9x260) it wont go any higher :(Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
But as soon as i get some extra cash i will get an 3200+ or 3400+ CG. :)
wez,
would you mind posting your complete results in the thread linked to in my sig?
Yes ofc, but i havent tested the sticks to the max clock yet, so i think i will wait untill i do that. If it ok. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Great, crank them up! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wez
Vdata is Adata's V.alue line. ;) Hence the "V" for Value.
My bad, I stand corrected :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Quote:
Originally Posted by wez
wez, do you have an image of the ram? or a link to the store you bought them at?
I called Adata again in California, and they said there were no dimples. He even went to the warehouse to check personally. He said it could possibly be that you got these in Europe. Lets see some linky action along with a picture of the entire ram stick.
trans : i find you very impressive person....
you call almost every manufacter like you're friend with everyone :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Here's what i found....No dimples
EDIT: Also same chip here in Adata...
Looks like Mosel/Vitalic -5B chips ....
LOL, you'd be surprised how nice people are. If you treat them with respect and sound friendly, they will usually be the same back.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
WTF? no dimples and they were rocking 270 2-2-2? Is this the same crap? Does anyone know where vdata can be found in the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
wez, do yours have dimples? Or do they look like the ones seldomsean posted? ?
Just to report (in case anyone was wondering/unsure), the last batch of TwinMOS Speed Premium 512MB sticks that were in stock at newegg earlier this week have arrived and are confirmed AA4T, TMD......44D.
do u mean this one? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-405&depa=0 (so as long as they're back in stock, it would be kinda safe to buy those right?)
I've read this thread from the beginning since yesterday. Very impressive finding. I am building my new comp. And plan to shell out like 220 for the Corsair 3200xl. But this thread has changed everything. Really appreciate your efforts to find out the truth of this Winbond UTT thing. :-)
That's the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by undeadlord
Only trick is to jump in there quickly enough once they're back in stock.
They were all gone within 10 minutes of receiving the stock alert email last time around.
Luckily I managed to bag a few. :banana:
Congrat, so from now on, i think i have to check my email every single minute, :-)
yahoo mail + (yahoo messanger OR trillian [maybe gaim too, but i dunno, dont use it]) = instant notification of mail. and not the "bulk mail", so... i dont get notified of spam, just the stuff i've signed up for, or i actuall want. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by undeadlord
i saw the thing popup in the lower right (like any messenging service notification) "blah blah blah from xxxxxxxx@newegg.com" and then: :cool:
Naaaaah........................every 3 minutes should be fine. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by undeadlord
Back in stock right now - Get em while they're hot.
damn, why???? It's gone man. Damn it
fvck! already gone lol!
OK, good news - as I have more than enough of them, I'm just about to cancel an order for 10 sticks that I haven't yet sent payment for.
They'll show up as in stock within 1 minute of me cancelling.
trans am & undeadlord - quickly reply to let me know you've seen this and I'll go ahead and cancel.
Be ready to order though, refreshing the relevant product page.
Order cancelled - hopefully trans am got in on it but seems undeadlord was offline.
Edit: All gone again.
Got em! thanks nightic! They are actually for my friend, I have too much ram at the moment lol. But he doesn't get paid till tomorrow, so I ordered them and he's going to pay me back. what are friends for! :toast:
He wanted me to thank you personally.
oh, for klisp?
hope he enjoys them.
lol - that's ok, you've now both unwittingly become my official US-to-UK shipping brokers by means of returning a favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
It was all just a covert ploy aimed at engaging US citizens in helping ship low-cost hardware and, occasionally Velveeta to me in London. :p:
I owe you one! What ever you want, PM me. Why did you cancel all those sticks anyway?
"as I have more than enough of them"
thats what he said a few posts up. ;)
Already ordered a crud-lot from when they were last in stock via a friend's account.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Knowing that they're unavailable in the UK, it doesn't hurt to bring in a few extra (;))but thinking twice about it, it might now be too much of an imposition on the person who kindly agreed to ship the first load to me.
I wonder how much is more than enough? lol
no wonder newegg's stock is allways low... nightic is buying them all! :banana4:
Just call me 'Memory-Baron'. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by enok
Eva2000's still the Godfather though. :eek:
I got lucky myself..had to place 2 seperate orders for one stick..Lol
Then managed to get 2 in one complete order..
4 total...but I only need 2 !!!! :toast: :banana: :banana4:
Speed is the way to go ;)
damn me, I was in my class at that time :brick:. Does anyone have two spare sticks? I guess not, since it's so pop. brick again :brick:. Godsa, can u sell me those two extra one? Plzzzzzzzzzzzz:up:
trans am, do you get many enquiries from strangers bout the sticker on your van?
lol, that's the official xs tour van! Watch for it in 10 major US cities on the xs 2005 Overclocking tour! I will be giving plenty of tips on ram and handing out bumper stickers to the kids. There will be motherboard giveaways and a few videocards. Bring mom and dad and we'll have a great time! The van is also broadband capable, so I will be transmitting live video feed to the xs network! I'll post the tour dates soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Will you be comming to NJ ? :banana:
only to stop for gas! :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Klisp
I am going to stop at Klisp's house in Jersey to pick up my money he owes me for the Speed Premium on the way to Philadelphia, PA.
I wish I owes you money for the Speed Premium instead :-)
I know.. i got to give you the money.
Argh, missed it again. If anyone is setting on too many of these pm me and we can work someting out.
Here is what a friend brought me to test.......
They are 2 x 512 Twinmos UTT with a "4514" and ending -05D......They are the exact same modules - like twins - .....
Both tested on an ABIT AS8 with the 865 chipset and at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 with Memtest-86 and where errorfree at the frequencies below.....
One does :
3.2V = 239MHz
3.3V = 259MHz
3.35 = 261MHz
3.5V = 264MHz
3.6V = 268MHz
The other does :
3.2V = 217MHz
3.3V = 239MHz
3.35V = 252MHz
3.5V = 255MHz
3.6V = 257MHz
As you can see they BOTH gained about 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V......BIG gain.........But they gained a few from 3.3V to 3.6V......
Puting them in Dual channel I got with 3.6V = 255MHz errorfree ......The "worst's" frequency minus 2MHz.......
Notice also the second one....It gained 22MHz form 3.2V to 3.3V and another 13MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.......The better one gained 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V and ONLY 2MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.....
Overal performance was good and both modules run COLD at 3.6Vdimm..... ;)
well... that opens a good prespective for my future rig (DFi has 4v vdimm right? :D my AN7 max out at 3.2v), cause my chips are also 04514 :).
nice testing Hipro5! ;)
EDIT:
btw, pcb rev?
Hipro, I will add these results to the Voltage Scaling thread linked to in my sig...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
One thing you have noticed with your testing, that has become quite evident to me also, is that the "good" modules will go significantly higher with "lower" vDimm... but they will usually scale less up high. Whereas the "poorer" modules tend to do very little with low volts, but they gain significantly more when volts are applied... so at 3.5v-3.6v most modules are very similar in performance... the real difference is seen at lower volts.
Take a look to this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=Vdata
Vdata has wb ic's and also with dimples :D
They are around 130€ in spain, but it's not easy to know if they are or not buying via inet (no one sells vdata where i live, and i'm on an island... :()
well sources close to me says you will have specially delivered Twinmoss modules delivered to you by Feb 20! :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Yes, my v-data have dimples, 2 big ones and one small, they are sold at www.jimmspc-store.fi its a finish store.
In the beginning i ordered 2x512Mb Twinmos Speedpremium but they where out of stock, so they asked me if i wanted 2x512Mb v-data that they have tested in 250 5-2-2-2 3.3v instead :)
I will try get an camera so i can take some pics of the ram.
Btw. what PCB have this serial nr? D68001H
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
are these vagouridis DIMMs hipro5?
Heh, is it just me, or is it strange that these pic's came up when i searched on google whit "D68001H" (my PCB serial) :D
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3...d68001h/04.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3...d68001h/01.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3...d68001h/02.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3...d68001h/03.jpg
Edit: http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/
Realy nice site :)
Edit2: You guys see what i see? :)
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/V-Data/PC3...08A8A-5B/4.jpg
none that i know of... maybe an A-Data pcb?Quote:
Originally Posted by wez
looks nice either way, very similar with BP.
WEZI see it but...where do you buy them?Quote: