Looks to be similar to a 4890, so not bad at all :).Quote:
Originally Posted by F.stop
Thanks to everyone posting reviews. Tough to make a call though, these numbers seem to be all over the place. Is it drivers?
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Looks to be similar to a 4890, so not bad at all :).Quote:
Originally Posted by F.stop
Thanks to everyone posting reviews. Tough to make a call though, these numbers seem to be all over the place. Is it drivers?
Got one up guys = )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102856
eyefinity? DX11? No need of relying ond rivers to optimize for SLI in games?Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
It's always drivers when they first launch, then they progressively better. Judging the performance at launch so far it is pretty impressive. I am awaiting HEMLOCK!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Ahh, ya beat me to it. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by tkrushing
I'm not biting on that one. I think I'll wait for 2gb.
hardocp tearing it up like piranhas
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3107/ordere.png
lol
So,how much faster is this card when you compare it to a 8800Ultra??I only see comparison charts with a 285/295 or 4870's....
About 4 times faster roughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bloodbanger
thats caue 8800 ultra is 2 generations old... it'd be like comparing an x800 to a 2900. its around the speed of a 9800gtx, a bit faster, so like 3/5 of a gtx 260?
So tempted on that sapphire card. SO tempted. I'm going to hold out for an XFX though, I want that lifetime warranty.
Yeah, I was going to also, but I realized that the XFX cards will probably cost about 10% more, and may not be out for another week or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soultaker52
OTOH They may be in stock in 2 hrs, but my gut tells me no.
I plan on upgrading to either a 2Gb 5870 or 5890 well within the warranty on the Sapphire, so I went ahead and ordered one.
Just watched them hit backorder status, literally right before my eyes. I refreshed the page after about 3 minutes, and it went to "auto notify" at Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...02856&Tpk=5870
wait for the gtx 300 or 5870x2...sit tight.no other card needed with either of those options.Quote:
Originally Posted by rkgriffin
review with DX9 and DX10 benchies
good macguffin
http://www.translate.google.com/tran...istory_state0=
Anyone found them in the uk yet ?
i'm at work ready to order lol.
Why would these cards be better?He states he games at max 1920X1200.So i guess these cards are overkill?Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
I couldn't call those as overkill for 1920x1200. There are many times where I wish my 4870x2 had more juice at this resolution. The 5870x2 and GT300 should allow for higher IQ at this resolution and or higher performance.
It really depends what games you play, what kind of IQ settings you would like to be able to play with, your budget, power supply, case and finally your personal definition of acceptable performance. All these things should be considered before making any judgments.
Now I'm not saying a single 5870 would be a slouch at 1920x1200 but for me It would fail to impress given I've been using an X2 for the last year. I'd have to say it partly depends on where you are coming from as well. Someone upgrading a system that is a few year old will obviously be blown away where as someone who upgrades generation to generation won't be ( not nearly as much at least )
My personal advice would be that for 1680x1050 or lower, a single 5870 will do fine for the next 12 months ( this including current and upcoming titles ) However if you intend to run everything at 1920x1200+ with high IQ / settings, your likely looking at crossfire / SLI. Using the GTX 280 / 4870 as historic evidence, I think this is a fair assumption ( being that there are games out now that I feel don't run well enough on a single 280 / 4870 at 1920x1200)
I'm going from a 8800GS will i see a performance increase?
I'm assuming your joking right?
If not, you obviously will given you will be running at a modest resolution and have the system and cpu to back it up ( eg decently clocked Core 2 / Phenom II or better )
the 1gb's are $379? i thought the 2gb's were $399
wtf
give it time for the instant rebates to roll in. the 4870's started to go below msrp very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by unkn0wnhacka
Yes I'm joking :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
man just wana order it and be done with it
1920x1080 is just fail with my GS :ROTF:
At least that Guru3D review shows us that most of the rumors were true :D
Looks like the 295 still beats the 5870 =[
Wow... I just bought two of them, you know how much it cost me?! $839!
I'm broke now....
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...odlist=froogle
XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card Retail
Final Price: $399.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10011222 XFX :)
I'd order one, but ZZF has always shipped too slow for my tastes, and I bet by the time it ships I'll have found one for cheaper. Must learn to bide my time, must learn.
Edit:Guess you beat me to it, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithpiperpilot
Get overnight shipping and it'll be $839
Actually only 440 with overnight :PQuote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
AAAND already sold out.
where are the 2gb models?
exactly! Where is the XFX 2GB? Are the 2GB cards released today as well?
Quote:
Originally Posted by lithpiperpilot
I got two of the XFX ones, who got the others? Type here!
I had to create a ZZF account, and by the time that was done, it was already sold out. Shoulda ordered before posting here. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
I'd get the HIS from ZZF, but they only have a 2 year warranty... XFX's have a double lifetime WTF?!?
but ZZF does have a huge saving on overnight shipping compared to stuff I usually get from the egg... only $17 for two cards shipped.
Dude that suuuuucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lithpiperpilot
F5 on newegg, do it now!
Hahahaha, but then I would have posted it first! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by lithpiperpilot
I'm still going to try and wait for the 2gb version if I can. I think about two days is the max I'll be able to hold out though. Just gotta keep myself convinced I don't need the card yet, lol.
Lol. I tried telling myself that, but I have a 8800gts 640. It SORELY needs replacing. It overheats and dies every other day. Plus I only have 2 monitors, none above 1080p, So I don't need the extra vram for 2-3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soultaker52
And now that I purchased this, i'll post that it's now activated.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121346
UPS Next Day Saver $25.16
Rush Processing $2.99
Order Total $408.14
(I just couldn't help myself on the rush shipping :p:)
3 of the 1gb models
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...05000%20series
Phew, sold out. My resolve is still solid!Quote:
Originally Posted by lithpiperpilot
To be honest I'm only buying the 5870 because my 4870 has two problems 512mb gets limiting and the more major one of it being on it's last legs. (As you can see in my sig I already had to revive it once) It also crashes with any OC right now too. I expect stock settings to start giving out in about a month, so that's my absolute maximum.
With that, any XFX cards for 380? :D
I wish. XFX cards will probably stay at 400, they know everyone will buy them. Sucks for your gpu though. Mine stopped working while oc'd a while agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Soultaker52
I'm really disappointed in the 5870. Sure with 8xAA on it kills the 285 but go back to 4xAA or no AA and it barely beats the 285. In some cases the 285 even beats it. So much for being faster than a 295. Now, at $300 this card would be a decent deal but at $400 I feel it is overpriced. Drivers will help improve the situation but it'd be unrealistic to expect a massive improvement from them.
Time to wait for Nvidia's next offerings..
Which games 285 beats it?Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
Another review:
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=18
Man I cant believe how well the 5850 did in the TPU review and priced at $259 at Zippy (not in stock btw). Just makes you look really hard at that GTX285 in your rig. But I'am holding out for a 5870x2 or lower prices on the 5870.
I agree. It seems like newer cards are only focusing on the high AA/AF and high resolutions where the face their competitors. It's always nice to have no aa/af and somewhat high res' and see a product still kick ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
It's just nice that they're now (within the past year or so) getting to the point where high res and high aa/af is actually playable and now with superior frame rates.
Regarding 5870 textures. The 5870 supersample settings resample everything in the scene
8x MSAA
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...MSAA_LOD_0.png
8x SGSSAA
hell yeah, that's some awesome IQ right there!
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...SAA_LOD_-2.png
Batman AA:Quote:
Originally Posted by phsinc1
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/...n-2560-bar.jpg
Also, it barely beats the 285 in other games like GTA IV and RE5:
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/...5-2560-bar.jpg
http://www.tomshw.it/guides/hardware...%20No%20AA.png
Don't get me wrong, it is a nice card. But I was expecting more, something like the jump from the 3xxx series to 4xxx. Certainly see no reason to get one if you already have a GTX275 or higher card, unless you want DX11 support and Eyefinity.
Grabbed an ASUS 5870 from Newegg; hoping to play with it this weekend :).
well from the Anandtech review, the AA is turned off in game for ATI cards on Batman:AA and can't be enabled, so in their review they left it off for all cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
Seems PCPER results are not accurate, according to AnandTech, they can't test this game with AA on ATi cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...2344/20101.pngQuote:
Batman: Arkham Asylum is another brand-new PC game, and has been burning up the review charts. It’s an Unreal Engine 3 based game, something that’s not immediately obvious from just looking at it, which is rare for UE3 based games.
NVIDIA has put a lot of marketing muscle in to the game as part of their The Way It’s Meant to Be Played program, and as a result it ships with PhysX support and 3D Vision support. Unfortunately NVIDIA’s influence has extended to its anti-aliasing abilities too, as its in-game selective AA abilities only work on NVIDIA’s cards. AMD’s cards can perform AA on the game, but only via traditional full screen anti-aliasing, which isn’t nearly as efficient. Because of this, this is the only game we will not be using AA on, as doing so produces meaningless results given the different AA modes used.
RE5:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...2344/20100.png
Fair enough. Still scores for 5870 are disappointing with GTA IV at 2560x1600. I was hoping it'd hit 60FPS, instead, it gets about 3 more FPS than a 285. Only 285 in an SLI configuration or 5870 in CrossFire breaks 60.
Looking at these results, if I was a 4870 or 285 owner I'd just go SLI or CrossFire.
Grabbed an XFX one from NCIX. They're selling for 429 (Canadian). Got the express shipping, so hopefully I get to play with it soon. Bye bye 8800 GTS 320!
I sold my 4890 for a 5870... now i can get nearly twice the performance with less idle power and near identical load power. I live in a hot climate and having more hot air blowing on my legs isn't my idea of a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
It also seems that you are picking out the benches where the 5870 does the worst and using them to judge the card.
On AVERAGE, it scores in between the 4870x2 and GTX295... the GTX285 isn't even in the same league IMO. Once the drivers are tuned it will be even less so.
i guess ill keep my gtx295 until the 5870x2 comes out (._.)
Exactly, these were review copy drivers. Check again in 2-3 weeks, and we'll get 5 more fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
It just so happens that these are the games that I don't get excellent performance at 2560x1600 in. That's the only reason why I'm picking them out. Sure I see the 5870 do quite a bit better in other benches like Left 4 Dead but if I'm already getting >60FPS with a 285 that does not entice me to upgrade.
You still cherry picked some results from games that have questionable things done w/ regards to performance for ATI cards... and even from other reviews, its obvious the 5870 beats the GTX 285 pretty significantly
The card is slotted quite well between the 4870X2 and the GTX295 it seems. In games where CF/SLI scale really well, the GTX 295 seems to do better. When it doesn't, the 5870 is better. Plus, don't ignore the reviews showing *MINIMUM* FPS - in a lot of the reviews that do, the 5870 is > 2x faster at min fps a lot of the time than the 285 so it's pretty noticeable for actual performance (an average FPS of 60 is nice... until you start hitting 25 fps occasionally and the game stutters).
Anywho, wouldn't be surprised with new drivers + when DX11 paths are available, the lead increases significantly. If anyone remembers, when the GTX 280 first came out, the 9800GX2 appeared to be doing better in a lot of games, especially with average and max FPS numbers, but as drivers improved, it was obvious which card provided a better experience..
min fps is the decider for me....as a rule of thumb next gen should excel, and max fps is largely irrelevant.
What the heck is with the thingie hangin of the bottom right side of the card? if it really looks like that, it wont fit on many MBs.
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
You're my true inspiration =)
£300 for the 5870 @ overclockers.co.uk and £200 for teh 5850 ..... :\
i think ill go for a 5850 now @ that price
If thats a cooler for the 5870... then I'm officially wowed. Btw, do some ATI companies sell their coolers sperately? And does anyone know if XFX would still keep you warranty if you switch GPU coolers?Quote:
Originally Posted by phsinc1
I think you will need the 2gb version for that res anyway lets be honest! especially with aa+af :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
ahh overclockers is actually the cheapest at launch I nearly cried when i looked at scans £350... these will drop to the proper 275~ ish in a couple weeks always gouging in the UK then price drop I say a good £50 off at least when gt300 comes/coming :D just wait a couple monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
What about physx? Is there support on ATI's 5870 or is that only Nvidia.
uhhh i need 2 asap
When you are manufacturing actual PWBs, you add these details to the board for assembly manufacturer. The assembly manufacturer then places these raw boards without components in their fixtures and solder components. After assembly these "break away areas" are removed and you are left with the actual board.Quote:
Originally Posted by phsinc1
No Nvidia.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starage
some are rebranded, but mostly no... and yes they do offer warranty after exchange as long as you dont break it while doing it... then you keep the warranty :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
Did any one see a 5870 CF review with a P55???
ANyone
5870 ~ 4870 x2. If one had a 295, 5870 may not be much of a upgrade but 5870 x2 would certainly be one.Quote:
Originally Posted by zshadow
Indeed, ordered 3 for some benching fun next week, delivery already on Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Sold out already....
forget all these crappy game fps mumbo jumbo anyone go 200k in 03 yet?
5870! 5870! What about the little brother 5850? :D
Any new 5850 reviews? I would love to see how this card performs.
Check this review in a few days :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
:mad: no mention of this card in Japan yet
TPU review has simulated 5850 results via disabled shaders + 5850 reference clocks forced on 5870. Conclusion: 5850 is 10-15% slower than 5870.
well still wait for 5850.....i think best bang.......:)
Heheh, I was close :p::Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
http://i36.tinypic.com/iehzxy.jpg
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet
I bet we can reach 95% by cat 9.12.... lets go ATi!!
edit: It's more impressive with 8xAA:
http://i35.tinypic.com/r7896u.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/817/clipboard01xf.png
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2383/...ture923200.jpg
looks like dual 50's will be the top deal for the generation yet again.
I'm still wondering if it is wise to upgrade my current GPU (4870 1GB) to a 5870 1GB. I play at 1080p, and personally don't really see that much of a difference between 4x AA and 8x AA (or more). Same as with more than 8x AF. I guess a 5870 2GB would probably be better choice, since I run out of VRAM at times.
From a casual-bencher POV, would it be wise to upgrade?
I'll definetlly buy another 4870 1GB (they very cheap now)...Quote:
Originally Posted by lunat!c#
2*4870 1GB are quite good in 1080p.... ;)
My 2x 5870s will be with me tommorow, they have been shipped from OCUK thismorning :) cant wait.
Wanna soft-voltmod your HD 57x0/58x0? http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...r_HD_5870.html
Is HD5870 bandwidth starved..? these games where 4870x2 is faster suggest so:
FO3 82.5 72.3 14%
FC2 75.6 66.5 14%
RE5 124.9 98.9 25%
BAT 131.9 108.2 22%
HAWX 105 74 42%
5870 is double everything, so just as 4870x2, although not handicapped by lower 750Mhz and CF efficiency. Only explanation is x2s 230GB/s vs 153GB/s bandwidth.
Solution? 6Ghz GDDR5 chips would provide 184GB/s - that extra 20% should close gap. However, to get 230GB/s would require 7.5Ghz GDDR5... AMD probably left room for the 5890!
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It is very very doubtfull that nVidia would go from 384 GDDR3 -> 512 GDDR3 -> 256 GDDR5 and end up with similar bandwidth limit issues and thus barely faster than GTX285. Highest GDDR5 chips in spring 2009 (when first cards fabbed), are 6-7Gb/s from Samsung. Thus, both nVidia and AMD probably have either 384 (1.5GB) or 512bit (2GB) parts by early spring '10!!
That thing looks great I think. Is that the 5850 or 5870?
5870 reference 1gb with vapor xQuote:
Originally Posted by HuffPCair
They are back in stock at Tigerdirect.com ;).
No, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
And SLI / CF is like running the framebuffers ( GPU Memory ) in RAID 1 ( Mirroring ), not RAID 0 ( Striping ).
Meaning, the effective bandwidth in dual-GPU cards is the same as a single-GPU card using the same core.
The 4870X2 has 115Gbps not 230Gbps memory bandwidth.
TigerDirect says "pre-order". Did they say "in stock" for you? I did place an order for the Asus 5870 for $391 shipped with $40 Bing Cash Back. I can deal with $350 all said and done. Hope it ships soon. Way cheaper than NewEgg for me since I live in Cali.Quote:
Originally Posted by chispy
I really only needed a 5850 since I game at 1920x1200 but with the 5850 priced at $259 I hope the 5870 is worth the extra $90.
see told people they had them instock.. they just ran out insanley fast! :D congrats :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRuS2k
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15653/1/
Check these! 1050 Mhz core easily. 58x0 should be great for OCing! :D
4870x2 = 5870Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
5870 is like two 4870 cores.
(if we don't agree on this, then we need to take it up with AMD presentation slides).
4870x2 is 750Mhz, and CF CPU overhead and inefficiency
5870 is 850Mhz + IPC efficiency improvements.
How else do you explain 4870x2 being faster by up to 45%?? [EDIT: typo... its 42%] Magic?
BTW: 230GB/s vs 153GB/s = 49% more - coincidence?
The only other explanation is that 5870 uses different code path than R7, and is so poorly hashed together. But, if that was the case, 5870 wouldn't be faster than 4870x2 in other games (where 850Mhz 1600 SP is more influencial than 153GB bandwidth).
[EDIT2:
I also noticed GDDR5 can't be overclocked past 1300Mhz (8%).. even though volt-mod allows 1000Mhz+ (20%+) on the GPU, the performance improves only slightly corresponding to slight memory speed bump - I'd personally wait until they have cards with Samsung 6Gb/s or even 7Gb/s chips or the inevitable 5890 that will be released to spoil GT300 launch]
Broke down and finally bought an xfx one from http://linkecomputer.com/ but I didn't realize until after that they are hk based. Here's to hoping I don't get screwed, lol.
the 5850's look interesting, according to fud they overclock to the same levels as their big brother,wonder if the disabled shaders will be able to be unlocked at some future point like on the old ati 850's
Asus looks like the ideal maker so far. C'mon Hemlock! How long are these 5870's anyway? They look long enough.
***EDIT*** Never mind...Found it....28cm or 11 inches according to one review. Damn that is long. That was exactly how much space I had. Damn I hope Hemlock is not any longer.
ya, i just checked my case as well and even my 4850 blocks one slot of the hdd cage. if i remember the length of the 4850 correctly the 5870 is as much as 5cm longer! bad thing is, due to the 5870's dualslot cooler one free hdd cage slot isn't enough to fit the card in my case... since the hdd cage has 4 slots from which i use 3 a 5870 won't fit until i remove one hdd from my pc :shrug: now that sux :p::(