oops, i'm still using the outdated Q6600... :rolleyes: :)
yeah, but my guess is you are RAM limited, not fsb limited with 2x 2gb
Could be.
I've seen this same RAM run at 2:3 on 367 FSB at 1100 MHz 1.9v on 5-5-5-12 *trfc 53 (in Eldonko's review at Hardwarecanucks.com)
But when I try for a different divider and a higher FSB, I don't have much luck.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/...on/page27.html
LoL at anyone who waited for an X48 mobo which was no better than the x38's
lol. They must think INtel is AMD...
and I really need a proper bios so I can retire my Microns...
But a whole new platform for what will be minimal results in return.. from what I see. Seems a waste if you where to upgrade from an x38 to an x48. Possibly for anyone with older boards, but even then the price / performance is not even in the ball park. For the price of the x48 boards and DDR3 (which is falling but not fast enough). I cant see wasting the money. x38 is the better way to go.
Edit: thankfully the CPU package is the same :)
I'm thinking about jumping to water very soon. I've been eyeing it for about 2 years now, and am thinking about making the jump rather soon.
My question is, do you think I should watercool the NB? Right now, I'm planning on CPU and GPU. If I go NB, it will run me another 80-90$, of which It's already up to $350 before shipping/tax.
Or should I just reseat with thermal paste and run it passively (or run it with the little fan it comes with)?
x48 will show that DRR3 is the way forward for ultra performance, the issue as you mentioned is ram cost and the added cost for x48 its self.
DDR2 is also moving to an new era now, higher density, cheap IC's and good clocking at low voltage...the issue is how long with people still make good intel DDr2 boards with Intel pushing them to adopt DDr3
If you're comparing X48 on DDR2 9very few choices) then of corse it's not worth it since X48 is times to better optmize DDR3. So if only thinking of sticking to DDR2 then you'd be just as good with current X38 for the rest fo the DDR2 lif span. However, current X48 doesn't really bring a whole lot to the table yet but it is growing. I believe it is more for the folks that need to see the "QUOTED" 1600FSB of 45nm ready and all that that our X38 has done since new. I dont even think current X48 is ECC RAM compliant. Not that any of us are gonna OC a server. I would hold off on X48 till you're ready for DDR3 as prices come down.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1780
^^ Eh...Opinions? Suggestions? Temps to hot?!
Whats the safe voltage/temp for NB & SB (Max Formula), mine sometime hits 55c & 48 ~ 50c for SB.
Thanks
With defalut heatsinks ? Really don't know i took down ASUS stock cooling and bought a couple of Thermalrights for NB , SB and Mosfets and temps are 42 - 44 at max. But the defalut yes i think 50 + is possible.
About voltage well i have + 0.1V increased on NB because of 4 2GB Modules so it's stable. The SB .. i let it at 1.05V and it's fine but i thik max on NB and SB with Stock cooling will be lower than with normal cooling. 1.5V NB and 1.15V on SB and i think you can fry on those funky asus Heatsinks
Im geting dry ice this week and I still dont know max voltages for CPU PLL Voltage and FSB Termination Voltage:(
Is it hard to remove the big passive NB cooler to replace with a waterblock ??
No but you have to have SB cooler too!Quote:
Is it hard to remove the big passive NB cooler to replace with a waterblock ??
I was told to use a hair dryer and it only took about 3 minutes to get hot enough to remove. It worked perfect. Just blow it directly on the NB and SB, once the heat sinks come off, keep heating the chip to get the thermal paste off, it hardens very quickly so keep heat on it and wipe it with a cloth wet with nail polish remover or rubbing alcohol.
Note the SB will come off a lot faster and easier than the NB.
Running these settings My performance level is being set to 9, is that right? The system is rock solid stable again, using bios 0505 again... I knew I'd go back to it at some point! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kup's Settings
hello !!
do you know if Xeon 3220 and 3230 are compatible with this motherboard ???
thx
hey guys. I haven't checked in , in a minute.
Those who went from a Q6600 to a E8400 was there a slight drop or boost in performance. I mostly play video games on my PC (Team Fortress, COD4, and some other games) . What would be better for me on this board. A Q6600 or a E8400 ?
is lan1 or lan2 better to use?
is this the place to download the latest LAN drivers for this board?
http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverSearchResults.do
**I'm assuming the Windows XP/2003 x86 Driver (32-bit) for Yukon Devices v10.53.2.3 is the right one?
Depends.
I was running my Q6600 at 3.6 GHz and I can say I didn't see much difference either way.
However, with the Q6600, Vista "felt" snappier. No scientific data to back that up though...
TBH, for gaming and regular use, the difference is hardly notable. I'd say keep your quad and try for 3.6 GHz :D
Just curious, but can a 2nd card in CrossFire be turned off (disabled and converted to dual non CrossFire for quad display) in Windows on this mobo or is it a CrossFire thing?
I ran my quad at 3.6GHz / 1200 ram (450x8) and performance was great.
My wolfdale at 4.3GHz / 1147 ram (478x9) and I can say I cannot tell any difference from the quad.
Ram bench is faster on the Wofdale, 3DMark is down 450 points from the quad but hardly noticable.
The overall lower volts and lower temps in my mind make it a worth while switch.
I have tested a Xeon 3220 and can confirm it will work
What´s the highest FSB u seen on this board on AIR ??
I changed from bios usb legacy to enabled from disabled.
booted in windows and lost the first ethernet controller.
Is that a known bug? Latest 0907 bios.
My Xeon L747A was limited to about 3.4Ghz, with either 8 or 9 multi :(
I've tossed in a Q6600 L737B and all is great now. 3.6Ghz is running like a breeze!
Only need to lap my TRUE120 since 2 cores are running about 10C warmer than the others. But that'll come tomorrow :D
Make sure the TRUE hasn't moved during mounting it. My cores were all over the place, up to 15c difference at times, and it turned out it was TRUE slipping as I tightened it up. I got someone to hold it PERFECTLY square over the CPU without it moving and then I tightened up the screws. Now all my cores are within 1*c of each other!
Wow, I couldn't get past 510FSB with my old E6600 but it was on each a !975X/!P965, & P35. Yet these mobos took an E6300 to 533FSB easy.
I might give it a try on here since it is all torn down from recent BIOS crash. What multi and overall system voltages did you need for at least 533FSB on the E6600?
i got 500 fsb to post with this board, but i cant quite get it stable, ill post my settings, maybe one of you wants to try adn succeed where ive failed (so far) bios 0907 by the way.
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : N/A (doesnt appear)
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 500
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1000
DRAM Command Rate : 2t
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 6
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 6
RAS# Precharge : 6
RAS# ActivateTime : 20
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: auto
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Disabled
Relax Level 3
CPU Voltage : 1.40125
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.64
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.4
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.46
South Bridge Voltage : auto
Loadline Calibration : enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled
Wel, after some testing, I did find it is the DRAM Frequency and Timings Control that are a problem whn loading defualst and selecting Save and Exit CMOS.
If I hard reset and press F1 to enter set up, I need to at the very least change DRAM Frequency to fixed 800 and Timing Control to Manual, changing no timings, leaving as they just were in AUTO. I know strange. This test was with OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 with defualt of 5-5-5-15 but rated for 4-4-4-12. I tested with the RAM in sug as regular for this set up, and it did the same thing.
So this confirms and corrects my last POST about the voltages. It didn't matter what voltages were fixed, it wouldn't boot if I left the 2 settings mentioned in AUTO. This is obviously some new and happened since testing BIOS v0907. Any other bad experiences with BIOS v0907.
Also to the guys who mentioned better feel or results with older BIOS, I think I see what you mean. I used to get only 49ns on latancy but now get 48ns on same profile, so go figure. I tested as low FSB of 450x8 (3.6GHz) in 3:4 for DDR1200 and I now can get 47ns but R/W scores is slightly less then when @ 48ns latancy on 480x8 (3.8GHz) and 5-6 for DDR1153 You guys on the lower FSB seeing this too?
Has anybody experienced this after any BIOS flash?
Kup, I found a more realible link for Bios 1003 then RapidShare :P Found off the ASUS Forums from one of the mods.
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Originally Posted by Kensek
So this issue with corrupted BIOS, is it likely to be fixed by future BIOS since all of the previous to v0205 did nothing to repair? I have to allways from now on manually fix DRAM spd to manual 800 so far) and timings to manual (5-5-5-15 so far, but I can tighten bk to as before).
I know I never use auto, but am greatly concerned why or how this happened. 2nd, in v0602 on 5:6 I cant use booster enabled (not even 0) anymore at any setting of twister.
It's been too long since I was on 602, but was this noted before for spds of 1150+ RAM
I got my hopes up too soon. Good thing I didn't cansle my RMA #.
After much testing it just became unstable even on once reliable v0602. I moved to v0903 (where I had good profiles and results) and all my save (on USB HDD) return a boot block cannot be read error. Same for my v0602 and even one just saved minutes before flashing and coming back.
Again, I can only guess since nobody has made comment on this, I am an isolated case and will just chock it up to a luck of the draw. It was a nice 5 months though. Now I get to start over and now maybe the all so talked about forced FSB strapping will actiually work for versions other then v0602.
I will keep on reading as I will be on my old P5K Deluxe by the end of the week.
Has anyone been able to get TRD of 5 on this board?
Tried my hardest to replicate Anand's article about TRD and cannot get TRD of 5 to post at 900mhz CAS 4 266 STRAP. TRD 6 works but memory performance isn't great and it needs hefty vNB 1.63v or so.
Anyone had any luck with 1T command as well?
tRD = 5 is possible only with X48 (i think the Rampage Formula article you have read,right?)
what's the best PCI slot for a sound card?...the one on top or the one on the bottom?...I have an AuzenTech X-Fi Prelude and don't want any issues...or does it not matter either way?
It has been a while since I posted on this thread, but I gotta let you guys know, if anyone here is using a CM-Stacker with air cooling, please buy the Scythe Zipang CPU Heatsink, you will love it.
You can have all 4 side fans in without any problems, temps are lower than what I got with the TRUE, and also the Thermalright HR-05-SLI fits perfectly on the NB, leaving enough space next to the CPU HS, it also doesn't brush against the RAM sticks.
My system is absolutely sorted now and I'm happy :)
I'm still with the 0907 BIOS, running Vista SP1 and haven't encountered any BSOD's or hardware instability problems at all.
I managed to swap my Q6600 with one that had a lower VID, couldn't believe how much difference the VID makes, it allowed me to drop the volts considerably.
P.
Hi guys, I want to ask why I can't run Asus AI and PC Probe...When I installed these software and ran them,a notice board have appeared that informed that "Error: Open I/O dll fail " for Pc probe and "aacenter: access violation at address 00000000. Read at address 00000000" for AI.Thanks
I have eXtrme 120 Ultra .. NB 05 SLI and its great it doesnt block the CPU the RAM's are with Thermaltake RS 0026 Spirit there is a 1 mm hole btw RAM heatsinks and NB Thermalright cooler. it doesn't block even the PCI-E 1x where Supreme FX II [ i hate it i hate it i hate it ] doesn;t block the GT 8800 With Zalman VF 1000, however the SB is a differen fairytale ... it cools the SB great ... but it scratches the VGA zalman and the Heatpipes from RAMS scratch the back side of VGA ... i moved the Heatpipes in the Thermaltakes a bit and there is a 3 mm tollerance hole so it's OK however the VF 1000 on VGA and Thermalright 05/IFX isn't . I used the Noctua one for test but the tems went from 44 to 51 that sucks ... , oh BTW the mosfets are cooled with Thermalright Mosfet the 2nd series and's its cool .. 42 load . But THermalrighting the board is hard. However the PC is very silent and well cooled
Hi! It was already discussed in this threat. There are different opinions on this.
Best is to get information from source, which is the Intel thermal design sheet for X38 chipset which says max load longtimeuse NB temp is 92 C.
I have 67 C idle and I think 76 or so loaded. This are oced values but are prime and 3DM 48h stresstest rockstable.
Some say all over ~ 50 C is unstable, which my case and official Intel specs proof wrong.
But it's also true that the higher temps are, the less space there's for oc'ing stable. Also longtime life is influenced, but shouldn't be a problem in nowadays product lifetimes.
Hope that helped.
Yeah, I honestly wouldn't worry about the SB unless you're using something made out of plastic, you shouldn't have any cooling issues :D
I'm just using one of those standard flat heatsinks on it, no Thermalright fancy stuff, mainly because it scratches the dual-slot GFX card casing (single slot cards shouldn't have this problem), and temps are within an acceptable range of 35-45.
P.
I was hitting 58-60 celcius with a passive Zalmann NB heatsink, and this caused problems with Prime95 if I had my FSB above 400.
As soon as I switched to the Thermalright HR-05-SLI, it dropped by an incredible 15 degrees celcius, and best of all, Prime95 stability was finally achieved.
If you are OC'ing and experience high temps, but not experiencing any problems during stress testing, I cannot explain why my system seems to respond differently when compared to yours.
Hey guys, I just threw out my x38-dq6 and Ballistix (both dead), so can anyone recommend me a good 2x2 kit for maximus formula? :rolleyes:
Ballistix is the only RAM I have ever found to be consistently stable with OC'ing on this board.
I'm using 4 GB (4x 1 GB) and can still dip in timings to as low as 4-4-4-9 at DDR2-1066 at its rated 2.2v without a hitch.
I love Black Dragons from Geil .. i modded the cooling on them and i'm really really happy with them but i'm nota big fan of Memory OC so ...
Warboy, the RapidShare link is my own. I rehost all the files so I know the links aren't dead.
Hmh ok, has anyone tried these: http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/T...6-8500C5DF.pdf ?
I saw a couple of people complaining about those heatsinks that they fall apart
From what I've been told, They are replacing any Maximus Formulas, SE or Non-SEs, because they are out of stock and if they can not "Repair" it, They will call me back with options....thats what they said about RMAs for me atleast. right now ASUS is on my :banana::banana::banana::banana: list.
well, You wanna check the checksums of the 2 files see if they are different?
No contest man check the pic...1.8V in bios to do this ;)
Our 1066 is even better, plus features black pcb and black heatspreaders.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...asus_1.84V.png
Could anyone please explain to me on how to update the bios? Thanks!
I am using Windows Vista x64 and just downloaded the new 1004 bios file, but now I dont know what to do next!
Tony, to be honest I was thinking about buying either OCZ or Corsair... which 2x2 kit are you talking about exactly? Reaper or something else?
Thanks, G.Skill sounds good too but those Geil EVO sticks are too expensive for me atm.. :(
I just moved from a gigabyte X38-dq6 to a formula
I have 4 ram modules (Generic K-Byte 2GB - micron D9 chips rated for 5-5-5-15 at 1.8V each module) for a total of 8GB of ram
The problem is the following
1 module in A1 causes a Det-DRAM error and no post
the same module in B1 post fine
1 module in A2 gives Det-DRAM
the same module in B2 post fine
2 modules (4gb total) in A1 and A2 no post
2 modules in B1 and B2 post fine (in single channel mode though)
A1 and B1 no post
A2 and B2 no post
A1, A2, B1 and B2 all occupied no post
it looks like the A channel is not working
I have the ram set to 2.0V in the bios
Do i have a defective board...the bios is the current 0907
Please help
Kevin
For cheapness go with the 8GB quad 800Plats, most look to be doing 1000+MHZ.
for looks get the 8000 reaper X, but remember if you want 8GB only get 1 kit and get 1 kit of the 8000 plats so you have no heatspreader issues.
If you want warranted 1066 then we have a new 1066 kit featuring the older reaper heatspreader, ofcourse 8Gb will fit no issue as the heatspreaders are not to fat.
Has anyone tryed theses on this board!
Kingston HyperX 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-9600C5 1200MHz
for that 8GB test i used these modules.
http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...tinum_quad_kit
These are NOT rated at 1000, so anything over 800 is a bonus, most seem to be doing good clocks though
Hmmmm, I thought you said black PCB & spreaders:cool:
I've been through a few sets of sticks lately... probably be through a few more over the next little while...
Once I get my QX9650 I'll be looking for a set that can play nice with that and my MaxFor...then I'll have to stop for a while (if I want to stay married :rofl: ).
I should have kept the ReaperX 4GB set I had that was stable at 5-5-5-12 @ 1066 with Strong Twister/Static Read Enabled/Trans Booster enabled (0)
i have the F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ kit and they run perfectly stable @ 1086 or 1088 (whichever speed it hits) 5-5-5-12. it takes 2.2vdimm though.
Can you set twister strong on strap 333/5:6 divider or only this is the only combination '5-5-5-12 @ 1066 with Strong Twister/Static Read Enabled/Trans Booster enabled (0)' ?
Can someone please help or explain why after the boot screen I get the error messege "cpu over voltage error!, F1 to continue". It only happens when I put the voltage up to 1.62 or higher. Anything below that this messege doesn't come up.
The board has been great since I got it release week. Temps aren't an issue. NB/SB under 39, CPU cores 1-4 idle 30-35, OCCT load 60-64 across.
I use the tweak guides here and on AnAndTech for bios settings. At 3.82 on the Q6600 G0, and 3870x2 @850 core, 900 memory I get 19,337 3dMark06. Crysis and BF2 run great on my Samsung 1680x1050 2ms.
TRAS 12 will not gain you anything with the larger density, you have to remember you are not setting the max the controller will use, you are setting the minimum...this means most of the time the lower value will not be used BUT if it is and the pages are closed to fast you will force the ram to re-read. Its always best to tune TRAS and set the highest value that gives you the highest bandwidth.Quote:
I should have kept the ReaperX 4GB set I had that was stable at 5-5-5-12 @ 1066 with Strong Twister/Static Read Enabled/Trans Booster enabled (0)
so what im saying is 12 is to tight, unless you play superpi all the time you are forcing rereads and losing performance.
Hardware monitoring in the bios. set CPU voltage to "ignore"
Also, does anyone have any suggestions on how to get 2x 2gb OCZ Platinum 8000 to run at 1066 on this board? I was getting it to boot in 0504 then updated to 1003 and nothing. I know it has to do with performance level and sub timings but i can't figure it out.
They old Fool is still looking for a 24/7 setting (incl. second ram kit to be added).
Intel's sample still doing fine. Ram is selected D9GMH. 3 SPD's programmed by vendor. Ref. sig.
Any hints and tips welcome.
Kind regards
The Fool
test and see, and don't run pi as that is the only THING that likes tighter TRAS, run actual games and do some photo editing or encoding...something real.
test TRAS with memtest...note the bandwidth as you test each value and set the highest value that gives the best bandwidth, so if 5,6,7,8,9,10,>>>>18 all give 5000MB/s and 19 gives 4890 set 18
Its like tRFC, if the rows are refreshed to fast they may force the minimum setting for TRAS to be used, so if you have tRFC to tight and TRAS set to say 8 you may have a situation with rows closing to fast and TRAS forcing rereads...so you lose performance.
128x8 ram IC's are massive density, 8GB has lots of load and lots of rows, running these modules like a 1GB micron D9 module is not going to cut it no more....you have to set what works...not what you think is fast ;)
imagine what 256x8's are going to be like as DDR3 scales up:eek:
The one thing I have noted from the IC's we and a few others are using for the 4GB kits is they will do 1000 or so dead easy at 1.8V, many do 950ish at 1.7V but as soon as you move over the sweet spot to say 1050+ you have to ramp the juice to 2 then 2.1 very quickly.
It pays to really fine tune this stuff to keep everything stable and as unstressed as you can.
I've run with mine on Disabled for the longest time, since I got the Board. Tested 440-456 FSB with Enabled and Disabled and it seemed to do little for stability, seems more a performance related setting? I didn't boot into XP, I was just testing using Memtest Test 5.Quote:
DRAM Static Read Control:
This function is best set to "Disabled" for high FSB levels (450 FSB upwards). "Enabled" gives a small gain in memory access latency at the expense of overall stability. We believe this setting alters a single TRD phase to low; performance advantages either way are not stellar.
I just finished testing memtest with 4x 2GB OCZ Reapers @ 4-4-4-15 with 2.1v. Everything seems to be working fine, can't wait to plop in my Q6600 and see how it goes.
Will I need improved NB cooling for 1600 FSB?
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Big Garoupa, what kind of cooler is that???
Did you notice any "improvments" in the way the NB contacts/grease were installed?
Edit: Nevermind you can see the Revision in this pic. I'm pretty sure it says 1.03G
Ok thanks for your input, I went with the 4gb G.Skill 1000 kit. I hope they arrive soon enough. Jeez, i can't wait. The Asus BIOS said, my q6600 is a 1.25 or (something like that) VID, i'm starting to wonder if i got lucky.. :slobber:
Run Coretemp to discover ya VID not the bios... eg my QX9650 is a 1.125Vid though Asus bios sets 1.2volts while it only needs 1.1 to be stable at stock speeds...
Opinions...
Should I stick with my Ballisitix Tracer PC6400 4 x 1024MB
or...
go with OCZ Gold edition PC6400 4 x 2048MB
I have both sets now but what should run better? Are the platinum much better or any at all vs the gold edition OCZ Tony ?
test and see what they will do, remember you are tRFC limited on this board unless you run 1001 or 1003 bios or earlier.