im doing fine with the final bios. 455 fsb at 3.6 ghz, with a 8 multi(e6600). still messing around with it.
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im doing fine with the final bios. 455 fsb at 3.6 ghz, with a 8 multi(e6600). still messing around with it.
Yup, I've got that new prime95 too, but I still feel running ORTHOS blend makes my life a little easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
Anyways, ORTHOS blend errored out at over 2 hours after I've switched TRFC from 35 to 42 at 401FSB.
I flashed from windows initially like i've done 20 other times before. Cleared cmos restarted and could no longer boot into windows. It would crash right after the windows screen stock with no oc. I flashed back to 1.2 and still could no longer boot into windows so i figured the windows install was somehow corrupt and i'd just reinstall. I gave the bios the benefit of the doubt and decided to give it another try and this time i flashed with awdflash. The flash was nothing like it was with 1.2 something was definately up and all of a sudden the board just rebooted.
It came back on with no video. I turned it off pulled the battery cleared cmos again and it does come on but i get no video. I dont even care to figure out whats wrong with it. The bios definately isnt kosher, i get all the flash at your own risk stuff but i've flashed this board enough times with no issues to know when theres something that just isnt right. Im so done with this board. I dont even want to deal with a rma or even selling it if i can get it back on. I just want to take it in my backyard and set it on fire.
I would recommend to anyone thats flashing to do so from within windows. The bios just didnt funtion the same with awdflash and i believe the other person that had issues was using awdflash also.
this is my 03 score with single x1950xtxQuote:
Originally Posted by coop
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4994390
and 05 single aswell
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2253734
but i have'nt run aqua for real i think i have 147k+ with single to..
ALFA bios file with the 1333 strap, didn't help me as for the fsb part.....PLUS it "seems" to work the rams at 5:4 (lower), actually they work 1:1 only.....So no changes and no more fsb.....
A tip for some of you who encode problems after flashing bios or crashes: Put the jumper in crear c-mos pins and REMOVE the battery for about a minute or so.......ALL will come up nice after that....;)
A MUST for more fsb is the Wire Northbridge mod AND the VFSB mod..... ;)
Here is where I'm at. Ran the new prime last night for 7 hours and got no errors. Im at 380 FSB, no matter what I do I can not prime at 400 FSB for more then 10 minutes. Anyone have any ideas?
My max fsb appears to be unchanged with the new bios. Going to try my hand at soldering the vmch and vfsb mods this weekend if I have time. Can anyone confirm if Kentsfield is running all 4 cores higher than 10x with this bios?
Couldn't get ORTHOS blend or the new Prime95 blend to run over 10mins at 401FSB / 1.8vMCH. Looks like the B13 final has nothing special with it.
@pcmoddingmy, have you tried mch at like 1.86 to 1.92v for a prime attempt?
@chefnr1, that is fine 05 score. Do or did you run them (03) with the same settings and speed? Why are our scores just the opposite?
My max FSB is unchanged for Conroe and Kentsfield :(. The good thing about this BIOS is, it didn't break my board like what others are experiencing. In any case, BIOS upgrade always carry a risk so, it's all good.
I have an additional bit of info to add to that. I mentioned that a board I had initially would not start up. It had nothing to do with a bios flash. Just would not boot or even start. Well my present board did the same thing after using it for awhile. I removed/replaced the battery and it was fine. Since it was the same thing that happened to my first board, I removed/replaced the battery and (bios chip) in it and it booted up anew. So I am going to remod my first board. So then I will have two boards and cpu's. One I will get rid of. So if your board gets to a point where it won't start when the on switch is pushed try removing the battery an then replacing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Actually, abit assured me that the board does 400FSB at just 1.75vMCH. I was runnig dual Windows Memtest at 1.85vMCH just now and the NB heatsink got too hot to touch after over 300% coverage in Memtest.Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
Now pumped it up to 1.95vMCH and running Prime95v251 at 401FSB.
From the way I look at it, the heatpipe cooling on the AW9D-MAX is not good, especially the NB heatsink/heapipe. The SB heatsink/heapipe is better than the NB heatsink/heapipe because the SB uses a copper core. Another thing I didn't like about the NB heatsink is that the heatpipe that connects to the rear PWM heatsink is not soldered to it! :nono:
So, heat from the NB heatpipe is not getting efficiently transferred to the PWM heatsink. I bet if the heatpipes were properly soldered to the PWM heatsink, the PWM heatsink should get as hot as the NB heatsink, or at least a little warmer. Now the PWM heatsink is just cool...
Hi all, finally read thru the thread, but I'd appreciate a little bit of help.
I'm stuck at the 9*375 wall. I'm looking for a stable 24/7 use overclock, not just a super pi bench, but I'm not afraid of a little voltage, I generally upgrade every 6 months. I feel like I ought to be able to achieve more from this system as I'm good with stock voltages all the way to 9*370!
Here's the hardware:
e6600 week 29
AW9D Max bios 13 beta 3
Corsair HX 620W
Gecube x1900xtx
WD 150gb Raptor
Cooled by:
cpu-lapped TTBT with a Delta 120x76mm fan (typically keeps it under 45c load)
northbridge-socket 370 aluminum heatsink--roughly 1.5x size the original cooler + 50mm fan
AS5 replaced under PWM block and southbridge
Ram: Crucial Anniversary 2x1gb, Crucial Ballistix PC8000 2x1gb
Here's my approach to 9*375
Crucial Anniversary sticks:
9*371 memory at 1:1, 3-3-3-12-35
CPU voltage (bios settings) 1.2375V, MCH 1.52, RAM 2.2V
This is utterly stable, and my usual setting. Folding 24.7 for several weeks now.
9*375 memory at 1:1, 3-3-3-12-35
CPU voltage 1.2625, MCH 1.64V, RAM 2.25V
Orthos blend stable 1 hour.
9*380 orthos unstable.
I've tried 3 notches on the cpu core voltage, MCH all the way to 1.85V, Ram to 5-5-5-15-42, and Ram voltage to 2.35V. I can't get it more than 10s orthos blend stable.
I've tried dropping the multiplier to 6x, same wall.
In 4:5, I can achieve:
9*316 memory at 4:5 or 395mhz, 3-3-3-12-35
CPU voltage 1.2625, MCH 1.52V, Ram 2.3V
or
9*340 memory at 4:5 or 427mhz 5-5-5-15-35
CPU voltage 1.2625, MCH 1.55V, RAM 2.35V
These were my max's 1 hour orthos stable.
Thinking, maybe its my RAM holding me back, I sprung for the Crucial Ballistix PC2-8000 for some RAM that is qualified for these speeds. And guess what, they are WORSE than my Anniversary sticks. This was my maximum overclock:
Crucial Ballistix DDR2-8000
9*340 memory at 1:1 5-5-5-15-35
CPU 1.2375, MCH 1.55V, Ram 2.35V
Oddly, enough, the Ballistix stix performed BETTER at 4:5
9*350 memory at 4:5 5-5-5-15-35
CPU 1.2375, MCH 1.6V, RAM 2.3V
Again 1 hour orthos blend stable
So to summarize:
Ideally I'm looking to get past the 9*375 1:1 wall for a stable use overclock. I've got 2 sets of RAM that ought to be able to do it easily, by rating or by stable operation at faster speeds in 4:5. I've got a cpu that's still hovering at stock voltages. I'm in the range requiring increasing MCH voltage, but 1.85V didn't help at all.
I understand orthos blend is coming under question, but at 9*380, it is unstable. Orthos only seconds. Will not pass 3dmark05.
And WTF is up with my Ballstix RAM? Can't do 340mhz in 1:1?
Anyone have any thoughts? I greatly appreciate it!
Future plans: replace the nb with the ol' copper dynatron XP, as well as the southbridge with something else.
VFSB mod? Could someone help me post the link to the Vfsb mod?
Thanks,
navig
@Navig, read back a few post for a vfsb mod that can be done without soldering. Another thread has soldering pics in the modding section. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=118248You have come across something I mentioned also in an earlier post about running the mems at 1:1. I found too that if I run 4:5 I can run my rams pretty high but 1:1 requires alot more voltage. Considerably more than man. specs. for the same speed. For example, at 4:5 only 2.4 volts required for 490. But for 470+ it takes 2.65v or more using 1:1 ratio. I don't know if anyone else has this issue or just me.
This board needs an aftermarket chipset cooling before it even powers up... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
yea, i use 1.75v for 400FSB 24/7 and its very stable...Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
I got my system up and runnig. So far so good. It puts my 3gig P4 to shame. I still need to tweak it. Will see what I can get it to do.
Navig, have you tried some serious vcore? 1.2375v, and even 3 notches up still doesn't get the cpu the juice it needs. up to certain point 6600s don't need much but once you've reached it, it takes more than "3 notches" to climb up. you might want to consider setting it somewhere between 1.4 and 1.5v actual.
yes they are runned at about the same speed only a little change on the gfx core a few mhz on 05, and what do you mean by "Why are our scores just the opposite"Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
Yup... I had a Thermalright HR-05 installed on the NB before. Even 2.0vMCH was not ORTHOS/Prime95v251 Blend stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
1.75V at 400FSB is good for 24/7, runs everything you throw at it, 3DMark, games, dual Spi 32M and all... but when it comes to ORTHOS or Prime95 blend test, it ERRORs out! :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
i have same problem with my P5W64 WS asus:slapass:
my ram will run 450mhz (ddr900) @ 4.4.4.12
2.1 volts @ stock CPU 266FSB.
if i raise the FSB to 401, ram @ ddr800 it will fail orthos blend
within seconds i havent tried prime yet
could this be a bad batch of intel chipsets?
Do not run blend then, run small FFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
@chefnr1, my 03 was higher but your 05 was considerably higher than mine. That is why I asked. I ran mine at the same speeds/ settings for both.
I got my other board finished last night.
definitely a bios issue with blend and memtest.
i tried testing my supertalents at 4-4-4-12 @ 420 mhz and i couldn't do blend or memtest (dos version). i tried every combination of voltages known to man.
then i tested the mem on my p5b... at 2.25 volts i can do 4-4-4-10 @ 475 with no errors for 24/7 use.
it has to be the bios... i think above 400 mhz the NB timings might be super tight... hopefully a bios update will fix it...
For me, I had good results with P5W64 WS PRO. It needed only 1.80vMCH to do 429FSB, and it did over 14 hours ORTHOS Blend.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanoprobe32
From what I'm seeing, its not the chipset being bad batch. Almost everyone here is having Blend issues with AW9D-MAX. The board runs fine on everything else, except Blend. If the board runs blend test for days on 266FSB, it should do the same thing at 400FSB. If it fails Blend, its not totally stable in my book.
Btw, running Small FFTs is doesn't prove anything... DUAL Windows Memtest or Blend is the best way to determine system stability. :fact:
Yep thats pretty much how you can tell if your board is going to run blend at a given fsb. If my board doesnt pass memtest(dos) test 5 without errors then it wont pass blend. If it restarts itself or doesnt finish running then your having serious nb cooling issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Hey navig, try 1.4-1.5v on the cpu, then 1.75 on the NB.
you usually wont be able to touch 3.6ghz on stock volts like you are trying to do.
Thanks for the advice, I'm making another run here. I'll try the higher voltages again. However, I actually don't think I'll be changing out my northbridge. I happend to pick up a laser thermometer. Under orthos blend, the base of my custom nb heatsink peaks at about 29c, so that seems alright to me.
navig
Just fyi, I am running the new version of P95 to test stability. I know that my OC is far from spectacular, but I just want to share that 400FSB is a-ok with this board (actually, even with my 9/15/2006 official bios).
Anyway, my BIOS is the latest one posted by NicoOCZ. It didn't break my board, and max FSB is the same. I don't know about Orthos testing, I never really liked it so I haven't tested it and I have no plan of using it.
Bigger Image: http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/abit/abit-400fsb_lg.jpg
http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/abit/abit-400fsb_sm.jpg
It's just one-hour testing (but it's still running till this posting). It's running Blend, and for some reason, it says 399MHz FSB when I did set 400FSB in the BIOS. In any case, vMCH is set to 1.6v, the rest of the voltage and tem is in the screenshot so just check it out.
I can't push this memory beyond DDR-830MHz because that'll require me to go 2.4v and higher, right now, my DDR-533 is doing good at 2.2v.
Here's a CPU-Z: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=149461
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/149461.png
CPU : Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (*1)
CPU Arch : 2 Cores - 2 Threads
CPU PSN : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz (ES)
CPU EXT : MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 EM64T
CPU Cache : L1 : 2 x 32/2 x 32 KB - L2 : 2048 KB
Core : Conroe (65 nm) / Revision : B1
CPUID : 6.F.5 / Extended : 6.F
Freq : 2394.7 MHz (399.12 * 6)
----------------------------------
MB Brand : http://www.abit.com.tw/
MB Model : AW9D-MAX (Intel i975-ICH7)
NB : Intel i975X rev C0
SB : Intel 82801GB (ICH7) rev 01
----------------------------------
RAM Size : 1024 MB
RAM Freq : 399.1 MHz
RAM Type : DDR2-SDRAM Dual Channel
RAM Ratio : 1:1
RAM Timings : 4-4-4-12
----------------------------------
Slot 1 : 512MB (PC2-4300)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : Micron Technology
Slot 2 : 512MB (PC2-4300)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : Micron Technology
hey, i had these supertalent as well but had trouble w/ them on this board over a certain speed...memtest errors, couldnt run dual pi, and also w/ these ram modules and the board i cant put it at any voltage above 2.1, if i do it blue screens and doesnt load into windows. With 2.1 i got it to 3.4..even 3.5, but not memtest stable or dual pi stable. I'm thinking its this ram on this board or somethin...i rma'd the super talent and i just got the Team Group 800 cas4...will install them this weekend. Look at the Extreme Bandwith forum on here and you'll see the post about these modules.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
I have the posted bios also. The flash went without a problem. I just need better cooling on the cpu. The stock Intel hsf is crap. I am going to have to get a waterblock for it.
tested everest read and my board is compleat stable, i can go higher mvch 1,75-vfsb 1,35v - memv 2,35v 4-4-4-8 and all @ air
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/7...readhb1.th.jpg
Well, just ran ORTHOS Blend for 12hours at 267FSB the whole night. No errors whatsoever, everything at stock volt.
For some reasons, I suspect its the TRC that could be causing the ORTHOS Blend stability. Currently, its at TRC 20.
Btw, BIOS 13 Final.
Well I tried for 9*379, but I couldn't even pass dual sp 32m, despite a core of 1.4375, MCH 1.72V, DDR 2.3V. Did manage 3dmark05 and 06.
I don't know whether I'm lucky or not, but on this abit(I kicked my P5B Deluxe for it was lacking any control over the fans) I can run without any problems 9x400 @ 1.65 MCH and 1.375V CPU and 2.0V memory(E6600, cellshock). It is as stable as it gets, but to push it higher(420x9) I have to push the MCH @ 1.75V, and I'm not confortable with that. At the same time, I'm not in for peanuts, so 405 vs 400 in my eyes is the same.
Look, VMCH on this board droops alot, so grab your multimeter and measure it.Quote:
Originally Posted by roibm
If you need a measuring spot on the front of the board, I have one...
2.0v bios with newest Xeon = 1.87v MCH measured, 1.91v with my other cpus.
1.75v bios is prolly 1.6xv in real life,
Can you post measuring spots? TnxQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Quote:
Originally Posted by <><
wow, it was the memory...just popped in the Team Group modules, set them at 2.25v, 4-3-3-5-40 timings...booted right up, dual pi stable....new super talent = no good!
Okay, found something interesting today.
First, my OC setup:
400FSB (399MHz actual)
5:4 (RAM at 500MHz)
1.75vMCH
BIOS 13 Final
5-5-5-15-42
OCZ PC2-8000 Ti Alpha VX2 @ 2.55V (blah!)
So, I ran Memtest 1.65 (bootable) and it gave me about 1000 errors in test #5 (first loop). This was with the stock NB heatpipe cooler. Although it was only 1.75vMCH, the NB heatsinks got too hot to touch even when I had a 120mm fan blowing at it. Damn...
Then, found my Thermalright HR-05 and mounted this badboy onto the NB. Tried running Memtest 1.65 (with above setup) and finally no more errors in test #5. Yey!!!
Currently doing 500MHz memory at 4-4-4-12-42, and still no errors in test #5 yet. Passed 5 loops in test #5, no errors at 4-4-4!
The HR-05 is currently passive but I have a 120mm fan blowing towards it. So it gets a little warm at 1.75vMCH. I guess BIOS 13 Final is overvolting the vMCH a bit... Will update with Windowz testing soon. Anyways, changing the NB heatsink does help improve overclocking alot. Got me DDR1000 easily!
^^ running mems @ 4:5 is not so hard like you said. 1:1 is much more so. If we can just figure out how to get around the difference. It could be the Trc or a balance in voltage/cooling. I tend to agree it has something to do with timing though. edit: I always run my vdimm and vcore high as I have good cooling and only use it for short periods at a time.
yeah it's been said about 100 times that if you are serious about clocking this board it absolutly needs better nb cooling.
Another problem with the board is how much further it droops vmch the higher you go with it. I need 2.0 to run blend stable at 423fsb but its really only about 1.86-1.89.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
agreed Mrdeeds...
that's why this board needs the vmch booster mod.
i've done it and it makes the droop only .03 volts.
so 1.85 = 1.82 actual. i've measured it before too.
also... to the person who ran blend at 267... it's not low fsb's where the problems occur.. it's above 400 where it becomes an issue.
the highest i've been able to do blend is 405 w/o errors for 20 minutes... then i stopped and got a little greedy...
the super talents work great... like i said, it's the board that's the problem...
i felt like i wasted money buying another set of memory just to confirm that the problem was the board and not the memory.
i'm glad i'm selling this board. the p5b deluxe will hold me over until someone can make a good/stable overclocking chipset (possibly rd600? new dfi 680i?)...
also... i really wonder why abit doesn't want to support this board very much... 1 bios update in 3 months seems ridiculous considering Asus released like 3 or so within 3 months for their boards...
also, this board (despite having all the bells and whistles) definitely does not deserve the "max" branding... you'd think they'd provide more support for overclockers...
try the new p95, i bet its stable for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Don't use orthos, several people have found that orthos isnt stable where everything else it.
thanks for the suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
i actually gave the new multi-threaded version of prime95 a try and my blend errors at exactly 6 minutes...
it always seem to get stuck at the 3rd loop of the 1024fft length.
I asked at another forum about orthos as a stability tool, Johnny Lee gave us his verdict whch means there are no real hardware conflicts known on the newer platforms if you like Orthos as a tool. Other than that personal stability remains a preference..
An interesting read none the less.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...0&postcount=21
All I have found on the newer boards is that some run Orthos better than others, especially at higher fsbs over 420. For the most part I take that as some mark of having things right.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Fair enough, at least you tried right? :)
Merry christmas. :) :toast:
do you have a link to this new version of prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
eva's thread on XS
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=126820
Yep, Prime95, always been the best stability test software even before the new version came. Tried and tested!
blend will fail if your not using 2 matched pairs of ram
or 2 diffrent part numbers hidden in the SPD table.
my ram had same part numbers on sticker's but cpuz showed
them to be diffrent.
i found my orthos problem at 400 fsb was defently caused by
my ram
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2503/module1pw3.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8870/module2zl5.jpg
notice they have two diffrent part numbers and two diffrent timings:nono:
BTW the memory will pass memtest all day long
but always failed orthos blend withing 10 minutes
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6...lsblendic8.jpg
now i opened up my other set of ram since i bought 2 sets just incase:)
set 400 fsb x 8 mulitplyer Ram now @ DDR 800 as this was defently a matched pair.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9804/otherramyd5.jpg
looked good so now upped fsb to 425 and DDR 850 up the vcore to match FSB
and done blend again.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7783/5hrblended1.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3180/shot0001qy5.jpg
as you can see my problem was RAM as it also failed prime two
even though it passed memtest.
TG 6400 C3, 2x1Gb, DDR900, 3-3-3-1, 1:1, 2.8V
WinRaR Bench:
[IMG]http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3...r900lo7.th.jpg[/IMG]
Everest:
[IMG]http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1...3331vv2.th.png[/IMG]
I can`t go above 455Mhz FSB:brick:
swiftech chipset coolers on the waw, i hope that will fit on southbridge too, if not i have an zalman flower for southbridge. one of them weights almos 300g.. half of my cpu weight lol
only issue is that "northbridge" is kinda in centre of board , lol, more ecactly under my tuniq tower, i just hope it dosnt hit the cpu cooler when i will install
anyone have custom chipset coolers installed? some pics will be nice
I don't understand.I can raise no more than 365fsb no matter of multi (i have an extreme).The only way that works is raise vcore..
I can reach 400fsb with 1.55v but no more.I've tried more volts to mch but it doesn't matter.
youre luckyQuote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
i cant get at 400fsb without 1.6v vcore, some told me i have a bad cpu :stick:
so must be the cpu, now what i dont undestand is how will this high voltage affect the cpu? hope it dosnt die, actualy i hope it dies :banana: .. so i can get a later version from intel thru rma :D
so ye, join the club "we have a bad steping cpu" :clap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
With my X6800, it would only boot @ 380ish even on lower multis, but in windows you could change fsb to ~435ish
I can only do ~435 prime even on 6x multi on x6800, so that is where my wall is on an unmodded board.
and you system hangs when you restart if you useing uguru in windows to rise the fsb?Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
never tried windows tool to oc,
I was able to run 445mhz stable w/ my E6600 @ 1.6vcore & 2.0vmch w/ BIOS 1.2 but as soon as I tried the first Beta BIOS 1.3 it totally screwed that and no matter which BIOS I try I can't get past about 400mhz stable no matter how hard I try, even when going back to 1.2. I think my board is totally fubarred now.
lol, look what some guys did with the aw9 max , actualy hipro5 was there .. but he didnt want to tell us anything about the event,.. bad boy!! ....keeping everything for himself :D
now thats what i call ocing:banana: :banana: :fact:
http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/abitoverclock/
edit: look at the tons of mods, custom cooler and at the amount of fryed stuff, but again great review, driverheaven.net style ^^
official Bios 13 from abit site out
ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/aw9d/
wow a xmas gift from Abit
... i don't know if i'd call it a gift...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hassan
Very interesting post, Nano.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanoprobe32
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Strange, I cant load the ftp, anyone got a mirror?
final bios 13 , mirror download link
http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/45090/aw9d13.zip.html
Wasn't this posted a while ago? I remembered there wasn't any improvements.
I noticed something fishy within BIOS 13. Checkout the "Onboard PCI Device" menu in the BIOS and there's only IEEE 1394 option. The dual SATA and dual LAN options went missing after you save and reboot the mobo. So this could be the reason why some users were loosing SATA drives.
Hipro was not there, this event was held in Fremont California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilfiger
That was Fugger, Philly boy (for sure) and NJkid (maybe?)
Same event shown here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=127303
oh, missreaded , they used hipro mods tho? (well micutzu mod too seems)Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilfiger
They actually sent a board to hipro that he modded himself, unfortunatly that board got damaged in shpping and was inoperable, so they made a copycat board including his mods, only they messed up the vcore mod.
nice, now give hipros address to send my board :D (and a duvet so he have "safe" package):p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
The vcore mod worked fine for a while but then it stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Hi all, I'm back.
My original post.
Still no go at 9*379. I've tried vcore as high as 1.5V and mch as high as 1.85V, still no stability (not even dual sp 32m).
Well, I thought all the "extreme" folks here would get a kick out of this. Just to make sure my nb isn't overheating (looking to vmch mod):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...travaganza.jpg
CPU cooler--TTBT lapped, Delta 120x76 vhw.
NB cooler--Dynatron all copper 60mm AthlonXP cooler, lapped
SB cooler--old Asus nb cooler, lapped
Ram cooling--Vantec nexus 2x70mm
Video card--Ultra Athlon XP cooler
pic2.
pic3.
We'll see if it helps.
navig
ps, my nb scoffs at that piddly thing fugger was running at the intel/abit event
Ok, first things first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
1) grab your DMM and start measuring the voltages, the bios/software just isnt accurate, and even just changing CPUs can change things around it seems.
2) 1.85v in bios for MCH is prolly more like ~1.7v real. 1.5v cpu isnt much at all either, measure it with a DMM first.
3) Your cpu might just need a crapload of vFSB, and 1.19v real isnt cutting it.
3) Your ram cannot do the tight timings that the bios is auto-setting. Download memset and make sure to show all of the timings that you are using.
4) are you trying to run blend or just small FFT? Running blend on this board is very hard and even I cant seem to run it over 400fsb, but you said you cant even run like 390 for single 32m...
5) Are you trying to run 4 dimms?
Thanks for the advice.
Haven't gone all out on vmods and measure points on this board, yet, for this simple reason--all the way up to 9*370, I've been essentially running the lowest settable voltages--vcore minimal (1.2375V), vmch (1.52V), Vdimm (2.2V). I think when I hit up middle range voltages, I'll start installing measure points. My gut instinct tells me something else is holding me back, I have trouble believing in such as enormously vertical wall that suddenly requires 10 notches up on the core and mch just to achieve 5mhz on the fsb. Then again, I could be wrong. I do have a little secret weapon. 12 channel panel voltmeter!
Will probably install the vfsb mod when I feel its likely holding me back. Using memset. Talking orthos blend--yes I know there are a lot issues regarding orthos blend, but I still think its a useful serious stressor for under fsb 400. Currrently using 2x Crucial Anniversary's, I've got 2x Ballistix on the shelf.
Well, looks like my hardware modding pulls me thru once again. Since my nb is my most serious upgrade, I'll think I'll chalk it up to that. Onward and upward!
9x379 sp32m stable.
orthos blend 30min stable.
Settings: 9*375 memory 1:1 5-5-5-15-35. Vcore 1.2625v, vmch 1.65V, Vdimm 2.35v.
I know, hardly the most strenuous of testing, but a huge improvement from just earlier today. No dual sp 32m, and orthos inevitably fail within 30s.
Probably take home point--keep the nb cool. I'll report back when I hit my next wall....
navig
I wish I could be there but unfortunatelly my passport wasn't ready at that time......:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilfiger
Maybe some other time.....:)
After flashing Clear c-mos and REMOVE batery for a minute and you'll see them all.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmoddingmy
These boards seem to vary in how much vmch voltage they need for over 400. Some people seem to only need 1.75 or 1.85. Im not one of them 1.85 will allow me to boot 400 and allow some stability up to 411 but anything above that needs 2.0 vmch. I'd give 2.0vmch a try just to see if you can boot above 400fsb at all. I understand being cautious with voltage but 1.5v vcore isnt enough to find the limits of your cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Im not saying throw 1.7v on there and leave it alone but to find out what your cpu will respond to you need to test it. I'd try up to 1.65v just to see where it gets me.
I'm a pretty methodical overclocker--I really only go 5mhz at a time. Yeah I think I did a quick sp 1m run at 9*400 I think at 1.85v mch, but I didn't even record it in my notes.
Sooo....I just passed 10 minutes of orthos with the following settings....
9*379, memory 1:1 5-5-5-15-35
vcore 1.2625V, vmch 1.55v, vdimm 2.25v.
Needless to say I'm very pleased, and a little perplexed. It looks like my overclocking is scaling along just fine, now that whatever wall it was has just gone away. Really not sure what was holding me back, but I'm glad its gone....
navig
More power to you dude but i guess i just dont have the patience or get the point. I plan on picking up the asus commando board or another P5B Deluxe over the next couple weeks and once i pop it in im going straight to 450X9. If i can get it stable at that oc i'll work up from there and if not then i'll work down.
I guess i just dont get the concept of the moderate oc.
Been there, done that. Doesn't help...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Older BIOSes have no issue when displaying onboard devices in the BIOS screen.
Actually this problem disappears with ccmos for me..i think you should try again!
My problem is that i cannot pass 400fsb even with more than 1.55vcore.I can get 400@1.5vmch stable and 465fsb (only by windows:( ) for 1M spi..
I haven't changed any cooler and thermal paste at all.Soon all mods..;)
can you explain me how you use guru to oc from windows?Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
i dont see how can get more fsb than in bios.. and let me guess..at reboot it dosnt bood from bios.. you need to reset cmos :rolleyes:
deadlock7, maybe you might need more vdimm. Board takes some with a 1:1 ratio.
Hilfiger, are you serious?
With the CPU I'm right now, I can't boot over 350MHz within bios and with the DEFAULT VCore.......
When going into Windows and play with the U-Guru, I can play at up to 455MHz+ fsb with the default VCore as well....IF I reboot, it comes into windows at the same fsb I've left it with the U-Guru(455MHz).......
So it's CPU depentant I think......
I have to add ALSO that when THIS CPU is under subzero cooling, the board boots at OVER 476MHz fsb EASY.....;) ....350MHz on air (LN2 container for heatsink) and 476MHz subzero WITHOUT touching/changing anything.....CPU depentand for sure as of me.....;)
With my previus CPU and the EXACT SAME bios/settings, I could boot at 390MHz with the Fatbodies Rams and at 435MHz with the CellShock Rams.....
ALSO it makes some difference at what timmings are the Rams during boot....
Im running the final version of 13 and my cpu max voltage on my cpu in bios is only 1.63, BUT I noticed tonight when messing with my friends Max that his is 1.68, he is running 13 beta. Is this normal?
With 1.3 final, multis above 11 don't work with X6800XE
Also, disabling LAN controller in BIOS doesn't work
Back to 1.3b
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Originally Posted by ojdr2001
1.3b04?
I made the vfsb and the vmch mods. Before the mods I went 451 FSB with the mobo! Now if I try to adjust the vfsb to 1.234V-1.475V with real 2.0V mch, the mobo not going above 455 at 8x!!! A tryed 5-5-5-15-- timings, real 1.85 to 2.0V mch, but the mobo not going above 451-455FSB.:confused: I have TT Spirit II on the NB.
Seems like BIOS 13 is finally showing its colours, despite the missing options in the BIOS. Anyways, swapped out the stock NB cooler from the board and replaced it with Thermalright HR-05, which fits like glove. So, booted up my "red edition" AW9D-MAX and it did 460FSB from the BIOS, not bad. Went into Windows and played with uGuru until I got the following:
AW9D-MAX "red edition" - BIOS 13 - 475FSB + Thermalright HR-05 (no vmods)
http://lp.pcmoddingmy.com/albums/use...mal_475FSB.jpg
Anything above 455FSB wasn't really stable but 451FSB allowed me to complete dual Super PI 32Ms. 455FSB was good up to Super PI 1M only.
:D Today replaced the NB cooler, also redone the SB heatsink. cleaned the copper plate and i did stick AS5 betwen the coper plate and the SB heatsink. the glue under SB and copper plate was crap, hard as a rock and no way the heat was going thru that :rolleyes: . I wanted to replace the SB cooler too, but the Zalman flower didnt fit under the graphic card, will fit once i change the cooler on the graphic card.. but doubt ill do that
Fot NB i used an Swiftech ,which is super quiet ,bit heavy tho, and now i am waiting for the AS5 to get in form to see the actual temps
Stability on new bos? ye, at 1.85V mch in bios ,and how i have a week 1 cpu.. i cant oc it.. takes 1.6v to get damn 401fsb. Ill not bother look for another cpu.. so hope it dies so i can rma with Intel .. suggestions how to kill my cpu and be able to rma:rolleyes: ? :banana:
The only thing which lets me down is the PI, my old fx62 was doing 11.something , this abit does 14.something :stick:
pics below, and in my signature: (sorry about size, my camera is crap and to get clear pics need to se high rez)
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1.3 Final and multi of 12 shows correct in cpu-z 1.38 for me.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ojdr2001
Anyone know if upwards multi work on all 4 cores with kents?
Welcome to 8 weeks ago :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilfiger
Better late than never though
Bios 13 made my system totaly unstable.
First, after clearing cmos, removing battery and all that, I got the message; Please insert systemdisk...
I had to swap the S-sata cables from 1 to 3 to boot in to windows.
When I fianly got in to windows the computer woud just reboot, or turn it selfe off :confused:
No, they don't. Only 2 of the cores work at the correct speed (0 and 3), the other 2 (1 and 2) stay at the 10x multi with my QX6700.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hassan
I've tried every single beta bios there was, as well as retail. I'm running my QX6700 in a P5B deluxe in stead. It handles fsb with the kentsfield much better as well. I couldn't get the AW9D-Max orthos stable past 272 Mhz fsb with the kentsfield, my e6700 could at least do ~425 Mhz fsb orthos stable, so IMO the AW9D-Max and kentsfield is a bad combination for overclockers.....
What tool/utility/software you use to check all four cores?Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
Yeah it foobarred me too, and after bios 13 did its damage I wasnt able to get back to my previous clocks using any other BIOS, made me a tad angry. I was able to run 445x9 orthos blend stable for 8+ hours and the best I can get out of it now is about 405ish with max vmch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightprowler_77
http://upload.overclock3d.net/get.php?id=1470&view=1
I use an older version of cpu-z ver 1.34 works fine, I think also 1.33 and maybe even 1.32 do as well.. When you select each virtual cpu on the bottom af the first tab you'll see 2 of the cores staying at 10x.Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
Also when running a cpu test, like 3dmark06 cpu or sisoft, it becomes apparent that the score is too low. Just like what we saw with the first kentsfield results from coolaler, before anybody knew what was happening.
I used SiSoft SANDRA and according to it, I have all four cores OCed. I'll try the older CPU-Z, but the problem with this older CPU-Z is that they may not recognize four cores, hence, the multi on the other dual core isn't properly recognized (Though I understand that CPU supports even two-way/four-way physical socket system).Quote:
Originally Posted by LarsK
I may try PC Wizard as well since it came from the same author.