Gosh that means i'm pumping ~1.63v load for 5GHz for 24/7!!
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Gosh that means i'm pumping ~1.63v load for 5GHz for 24/7!!
:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
only a DMM will tell you, on air or water LLC level1 is fine. LLC level2 is a bit much, and i can't say its pushing 1.63v you need to check with a DMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
LLC level1 has much better voltage regulation, and allows for a vdroop which is excellent for any 24/7 operation. you don't want teh voltage increasing under load like LLC level2 does even without the offset. its just not great for your hardware period. it is for benching. And that is what sets teh UD5 and the UD7 apart from the UD4 and below, these boards are built to handle all types of stuff that overclockers on air or water don't really encounter.
owikh you shouldn't be pushing 1.53v for 24/7 anyways!!! LOL
BTW this isn't something new, LLC level2 acts this way on the B2 board as well. 1.23v set gives 1.283v idle and 1.323v load on the P67A-UD7-B2 F8X.
To be VERy honest LLC Level2 has not changed a bit, LLC level1 has changed greatly! we see MUCh better voltage regulation same goes for standard.
Well i blame my chip for being a voltage suucker..Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
But heck latest linpack is giving me more 124 codes at this 1.53v bios.
Happy overvolting guys!
what about prime? I used wprime and it seems that prime is stressing the CPu more than linpack(linx/ibt)
Prime has never given me BSOD except for error which i believe due to mem clockings. It actually run cooler than LinX and ~10watts lower according to realtemp. that was v26.5. Well I will switch back to MIVE B3 hopefully by this weekend and see how. Prolly my chip is degrading but i hope it's not. CPU hunting mode is on again.Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
On the other hand ive tried 1.63v-1.65v bios LLC1 - instant BSOD 101 and 124 in LinX, spread spectrum is always disabled
Maybe I missed it?
But will B3 bios work on B2 boards?
I do not want to tear it down, as it runs perfect, and I do not use
affected drive ports.
Spread spectrum makes no difference to OC anymore man.Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
That is odd, might as well try what you had before see if it BDOSs. I saw voltage degradation at 1.53v and above when i did my review on D1 stepping CPUs. I found that every few days it needed 0.02 more volts after i surpassed 1.53-1.55v. Your CPu might be doing the same because I was heavily stressing my CPu as well. These CPUs just aren't made to be stressed at 1.5v+ with air cooling. Especially not with IBT or prime. I wish you luck man, but 5ghz isn't too hard to hunt for, is it? Either way i wish you good hunting.
They modded a few above as it seems. but normal flash wont work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostromo
Thank man. Yes 5GHz is easy to find but vcore below 1.5v is hard for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Ambient is 33-35c here, water is equal to ur air lol. Again thx for effort in DMM readings.
PS: praying hard for a better CPU.
So now that means my "good" 1.41v CPU is actually running at 1.46v since I have 1.45v in BIOS LLC1 which was showing between 1.404-1.416v at load :( making it an average chip instead of a good one, and my first 2600k is as bad as Owi's...yay for ego deflation...
And my 4.5 ghz 1.245v load overclock is around 1.275v instead...
So instead of having a terrible chip like the first I have a barely average one...WONDERFUL.....:slapass:
But I wish someone could take a DMM to a B3 UD5 to check, cuz i can't buy one now...
here mate i have Rev B2 and i use F8f best bios for it, but if you wanna go with B3 bioses you need this that stasio explainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Nostromo
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...263598&page=68
cheers :up:
Ah, thank you. F8F is nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
i think the user C-N he has one. LLC might be very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
I looked at the results for the UD4, and it seems when LLC is turned to enable it gives the same LLC effects as UD7's LLC Level1.
People use legacy Prime95 instead of ver.26.6,updated for Sandy Brigde. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
I see but is my CPU bad or not good anymore since it is probably getting 1.46 (and maybe eventually 1.47v) for 5 ghz when I thought it was 1.41 till the DMM chart? :(
Sin, can you do me a very urgent favor?
Find a safe and lower overclock so you won't damage your chip, and can you run a TEMP comparison with LLC1 and LLC2, with the "Target HARDWARE" (DMM) voltage for LLC2, to match the target hardware voltage for LLC1, and then compare the cpu temps at load? (Use Prime blend so the temps are easily maintained).
Good Example:
Use 4.5 ghz.
Set vcore to 1.45v bios, LLC1, and compare the temps after a few minutes of Prime small FFT (small FFT will get the temps higher faster than blend does).
Then, set the vcore to 1.30v (correction) bios LLC2, 4.5 ghz, and do the same thing.
If you're worried about chip damage, you can try 4.0 ghz LLC1 1.40v, and LLC2 1.25v (correction again).
*also, please use REALTEMP 3.67 while you're doing this, and check the power draw shown at the top right clickable tab*
^^^ THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIN !!!!!
The temps AND the power draw should be the same at load for both settings, if the DMM readout is the actual CPU voltage going into the chip, and if the chip is actually using that voltage.
I'm only asking, because I saw a very bizarre post:
(post was here http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...77#post6825477 )Quote:
Originally Posted by Khota
This is on a UD5. Which should have the same LLC as UD7.
wow very nice , damn my poor cpu is getting hit with 1.461volta now llc1 jeesh close to degrading vcore , with new ram take a bump to 1.470 . . .:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Yes of course. I downloaded the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
it's EasyTune :)
I wouldn't worry about that post, and LLC on the UD5 should be different as it was for B2 boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
What do you want to see? The thing is that my temps are going to be much different, and temps and power draw especially monitored by software like that is prob going to be much different machine to machine. I can measure actual power draw fromt eh 8 pin connector through some device I bought, but unless you have that too it wouldn't matter.
You are asking if LLC level1 with teh same measurement on the DMM as LLC Level2 under load will be the same?
Honestly it you are staying under 1.5v from the trends of the DMM test I did you are going to be ok, i wouldn't worry about degradation over a months or a few months period. I don't know what you want me to do exactly? I am a bit confused lol
Yea i just saw that, i guess they removed it for P67, no idea why :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jacek
wow man like that your chipping must be degrading , bring that vcore down dude :explode2:Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
Falkentyne Im in the same shoes you are lol there goes our great chips to being just average :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
the real 7 id take a bet that compared to other chips, not many people really read the DMM voltage, so maybe it still is golden. too many people take CPU-Z vcore to be correct, and setting gold standards on any chip that way is just incorrect. Its interesting to see other board not report same vcore as well.
i always do that and GIGA is very accurate so far :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Your right , Im pulling my dmm out tonight and see what my voltages look like on a prime load . . . thanks SinQuote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Hi Sin,Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
just got up, ok what I meant was, if you can check the temps (and power draw with realtemp) with LLC2, with the vcore value as measured by the DMM (example: 4 ghz @ 1.35v hardware measured load DMM), and compare it with the temps and power draw (with realtemp) as measured with the vcore from software with LLC1 (4 ghz @ 1.35v software measured load hwinfo32; that would probably require 1.4v BIOS For LLC1 so the software reports 1.35v at load, and 1.25v BIOS for LLC2, so the DMM reports 1.35v at load). All under small fft prime95. I know that sounds odd and crazy, but I was just curious about the results.
So basically what I meant was, i wanted to see if the software target load voltage with LLC1, matching the hardware target load voltage with LLC2, gave the same temperatures and the same power draw.
The exact reason is: I've now found two posts that are making me think something funky is going on.
The person who did the DMM tests with the UD4 board, told me that if he got (example: i dont remember the FULL details), 1.35v load, hardware measured LLC, he was stable, however if he got hardware measured 1.35v load LLC OFF (standard), he BSOD 124....
The measured hardware load voltage is exactly the same, AND LLC off requires a higher voltage set in BIOS to compensate for the droop, yet he BSOD'd only with LLC off.
I hope this makes sense....
But yeah, the power draw of the LLC1 test, and the temps, should be higher, than the LLC2, since the software report of LLC1 vcore would be the same as the hardware report of LLC2 (which is what I want), but the hardware report of LLC1 would be much higher :)
why would you want to compare two different LLC settings using two different measuring methods?
So you want me to measure LLC level2 with a DMM, and LLC level1 with software, and you want me to match the software to the DMM?
Yep :) exactly ^^
(since we already know what the hardware values will be for the wrong software readings). Just want to see if temps and power draw match up.
ok ill try it out for you. But still your LLC might not be the same as the UD7, i remember B2 boards they were totally different.
Yea, I know. Just want to see what you'll get for your temps. I'm sort of shocked that your LLC standard is showing a more than 0.12v droop from sensors (1.23v->1.1v), while on mine the still incorrect sensors show 1.25v->1.164v. Plus the strange UD4 DMM and stability report....LLC and standard (after vdroop) are not the same stability even with the DMM showing same vcore; LLC more stable)
I'll ask Bullet1, too.
I hope I can get a DMM soon. Do you have to have the board outside the case to take a reading? :(
im on P67A UD7 B2 tell me what you want me to measure with vdimm and i do it mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
*sin link me the points plz
I think you need a B3 board or a crossflashed b3 bios first, andre, because LLC was changed on the B3. (at least it was for UD5 (massive change) and UD4).
But first you would need to know the difference between software load vcore and DMM measured vcore.
Now, lets pretend that your board did 1.2v BIOS LLC2->1.3v DMM measured at load (software showing 1.23v), and 1.35v BIOS LLC1->1.3v SOFTWARE at load, and 1.35v measured at load.
I'd want to see if the realtemp current power draw, and the temps for LLC2 1.3v hardware load, are the same, or lower, than LLC1 1.3v softare load (1.35v real). The LLC1 should have higher current draw and temps, than the LLC2, since the DMM is showing the sensors to be underreporting.
The temps and power draw should NOT be the same.
Ok guys pulled out my good ole fluke multimeter and followed sins guide for the voltage points , now my setup is B3 and bios F3H , this is not my normal settings as im in 2133 7 9 7 21 benching mode and my 2600k is taking way more power than when its memory is at 1600mhz 6 6 6 18 , and all my system require to be prime stable , which takes alot of juice :scope:
btw would like to thank sin0822 for his hard help in the forum :up:
4.8 ghz 2133mhz 7 9 7 21 timings LLC1 setting
BIOS IDLE LOAD
VCORE 1.480 1.467 1.432
VDIMM 1.68 1.681 1.681
CPU PLL 1.800Auto 3.306 3.295
VTT 1.160 1.151 1.151
This is why our board is kicks ass
sorry i dont have a B3 im in south america and cant RMA it, im using bios F8f wich is perfect for it wont use the B3 version crossflashed bios unless i need themQuote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
will try to read point as are not easy to access on ma setup
cheers
Sergio
the choke on the top of the board works pretty well, but i read off an MLCC cap on teh back of the board the difference is minimal, but i soldered a wire to the capacitor and attached it to a molex connector. Any leg of any choke facing the CPU socket will suffice.
Real_7,Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_7
Why is your load voltage so low?
you're using LLC1, right?
Sin's load voltage at LLC1 was almost the same as the BIOS setting (about 0.01v higher), but your voltage is -0.05v below the BIOS voltage.
Your board is showing 1.432 with the DMM for load voltage with LLC1? :shocked: Shouldn't it be showing 1.481-1.490 ?
That result looks like LLC is disabled because sin's LLC disabled result was like that.
Are either of you guys using a B2 version of UD7 crossflashed with B3 bios?
I feel like collapsing right now because I'm so confused :(
@Sin:
I'm confused as to why Real_7's vcore reading with his DIMM is so much different than yours (he has vdroop with LLC1 but you don't).
Are you using a B2 UD7 cross-flashed with B3 bios? Or actual B3 board?
using LLC1 will never do that load mate thats LLC2 land...Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
no i do have vdroop with level1, i set 1.5v and it puts out 1.52v and then drops to like 1.509v load.
LLC level1 droops under load. I don't know what voltage he set, i think he is showing what BIOS voltage reads.
now that i think of it a PSu that is stressed could make a difference, but theoretically it shouldn't. I was using my sparkle 1kw unit without the GPUs. It also depends what you load with.
I sent him a PM, hopefully we'll find out what's up.
His vcore should have been between 1.481 to 1.490 measured with the DMM.
The 1.432 looks like a software reading, or it looks like LLC just wasn't working on his board.
If both you guys are using B3 stepping boards, and Gigabyte didn't pull a change a droop resistor at the last minute, we'll get to the bottom of this :D
This is important to me cuz I'm OCD and afraid of degrading chips....
Someone said that crossflashing stops certain things from working (PLL Override ? LLC?) until you reflash with the non crossflashed version of the same BIOS.
idk man, i checked the board, and all the resistors around the PWM are the same, they didn't change em, i specifically looked for it.
The thing is that this LLC level1 mirrors the other guy's results on the UD4-B3 as well. LLC level2 mirrors LLC level2 on the B2 UD7.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Hey guy's saws your forum and I got his pm . . . yes Im on lc1 and that corrected after 1.480 set in bios I get a 0.050 droop to 1.432 on prime load on DMM , but ive always gotten that on this and my B2 board . . I thought sins check on the B3 had change this droop im getting , but it still remains , and this is not only me original Sergio on his chip before had gotten same with his chip , my meter is of high quality so im sure it is not wrong . . .I tried 3 different voltage with loads , and repeated same thing no matter of vtt . . is it degrading well I hope not, I have need more vcore to run my 2133Quote:
sent him a PM, hopefully we'll find out what's up.
His vcore should have been between 1.481 to 1.490 measured with the DMM.
The 1.432 looks like a software reading, or it looks like LLC just wasn't working on his board.
If both you guys are using B3 stepping boards, and Gigabyte didn't pull a change a droop resistor at the last minute, we'll get to the bottom of this
This is important to me cuz I'm OCD and afraid of degrading chips....
Someone said that crossflashing stops certain things from working (PLL Override ? LLC?) until you reflash with the non crossflashed version of the same BIOS.
what about your PSU?
Try reading off the MLCC capacitor on the back that is the only difference.
Ill check with my other CPU tomorrow and see if its any different. 0.05 is a lot to be drooping, it just doesn't sound right. lol
Edit you are drooping 0.035, i don't count from where you set in BIOS, i count from idle to load, there is no point because it sets a definite offset from what you set. Vdrop and vdroop are different. I don't count vdrop because it has no performance impact if you account for it.
Anyways I hope your CPu is not degrading you were pushing a lot of voltage through it, so it might have been, i saw early degradation with these CPus above 1.5v that is why i tell people not to use it.
LLC level1 has definitely changed from B2 BIOS F8X to B3 BIOS F3H.
That's why I asked Sin to run that Software vs Hardware vcore comparison with temps, so we can see if something's up.
I know SOMETHING is going on.
The UD4 readout showed LLC (same as our LLC1) giving same vcore as BIOS, which was the same as Sin's conclusion.
Your readout is giving 0.05v vdroop, on a B3 stepping board.
How can two of the exact same boards give such different values for DMM measurement?
This is why you gotta also look at the temps...if the CPU is actually USING different voltage than what the DMM or sensors are saying, the DTS temperature in realtemp should show it ...
voltage really means really not much man, its all about the current pull. I don't trust software to produce current and wattage numbers, i just don't lol. I will do it for you i am just so tired tonight.
Ive tested psu running like a tank on all rails plus its a hx850 a single rail powerhouseQuote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
I have no access to the back of my board sin :( but what are the chances my software matches what my dmm is reading cause on my b2 they where exact settings and all my other point are right on the money . . . I use pll over volt . . hate the droop but if it is correct , Im sitting in a good place . .
Well if the cap on the backside of the board is reading differently, then that would mean that, if that voltage is higher, then that's the voltage coming from the VRM's, while what Real_7 is reading is what the CPU is actually getting (after that vcore has been drooped).
Sort of logical, actually. But won't know without a MLCC cap reading.
But the reading from the MLCC cap and the choke shouldn't be that much different; only about 0.01v.
There are only two possible explanations:
1) Gigabyte revised something on earlier or later B3's (unknown which) to adjust the vdroop without changing the PCB revision.
2) Real_7's reading is vcore after vdroop while Sin's is before vdroop.
But #2 doesn't make sense because Sin has a lot of vdroop with LLC set to standard. Yet the sensors show MUCH more vdroop...
One thing for sure, if I got a DMM, I won't have access to the backside of the board, either...
See i don't use CPu pLL Overvoltage, but i doubt that would make a difference. I have tested many many times, multiple times on like every BIOS with P67, and what software reads(i used easytune) it is always 100% off lol. Software hasn't matched up hardware on P67 for me ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_7
That is why I did the readings.
Software matches hardware kind of when it comes to trends, but not 100%, i find that ti sways a bit different with different levels of LLC.
The MLCC cap on the back of the board is the best place to read the voltage, as the flow goes from the DrMOS to the inductor, then all the inductors to the capacitors and then the capacitors discharge, and the MLCC caps are part of those capacitors. We aren't reading from some type of feed back loop, the MLCC cap is the voltage right before it goes to the processor. All the caps on the back, well almost all of them have the same voltage reading.
Going through a capacitor shouldn't make a difference tho.
My readings are done during idle, task manager at 0% on all cores, then at load with 100% on all cores, and i wait for the voltage to stabilize after a few seconds.
BIOS F3 is out for all B3 boards (UD3-B3 on the way).
Edit:
Modified BIOS to flash back from B3 to B2:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1672
BIOS F8 is out for B2.
hows the official f3 bios compared too the f3 beta bios for the B3 ud7?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
Will check later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3LL
just flashed the board then and the only big difference i noted was the load line calibration.. its not called multi step load line calibration and has quite a few different levels.. will have a muck around and see whats what but bios feels smoother too
I take it as its an official BIOS internal pll overvoltage is missing/not there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3LL
not sure i normally have it turned off anyways.. but the 10 different levels of load line calibration i like.. found level 6 too be a good medium... deffo loving this f3 official bios atm
Yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3LL
-Solve press reset button cause system abnormal
-Implemented "Multi-Steps Load-Line" (UD7/UD5-B2/B3-10 levels).
Flash with "Load Optimized Defaults".
DO NOT use old BIOS profile!!
I suggested a change on llc to my contact over at Gigabyte two weeks ago. I'm glad that they implemented more levels this fast. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3LL
Too bad that there (obviously) are issues with this implementation...
EDIT: stasio, did you get the correct reading in cpu-z with other bios-versions?
When suggesting a change on llc I also noted that cpu-z-readings on vcore on b3-boards aren't correct anymore. I also noted that this should be fixed with the next version of cpu-z - not sure if Gigabyte did something here...
With F3c when I set 1.435 volts llc1 cpu-z reads 1.044 volts....
Anyone know if this multi step LLC was implemented for UD5?
Yeah,I got proper reading with CPU-Z,because I am still on B2 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by MusicIsMyLife
For B3 boards use Hwinfo,ET6 or Aida64.
Notice difference in Optimized defaults:
F3h-F3
Vdimm.... 1.5000V-1.5240V
UD7 has LLC -10 levels!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
UD5 same as UD7 (B2 and B3 version).
Edit:
Vcore set in BIOS 1.4800.
Idle Vcore (in BIOS):
LLc1.....1.4520
LLc2.....1.4640 (1.4760 in W7-1.4280 Load)
LLc3.....1.4880 (1.4880 in W7-1.4520 Load)
LLc4.....1.5000
LLc5.....1.5120
LLc6.....1.5360
LLc7.....1.5600
LLc8.....1.5840
LLc8.....1.5960
LLc10....1.6200
Hey Guys finally got my new GSKILL F3-17000CL7D-4GBXHD 6 hour Prime 26.5 stable , vcore held solid at 1.432 , I still have cmd2 set for now as i still need to lower my vtt from1.151 . . . I didn't think i would end up using 2133mhz for my 24 / 7 but board isn't stressing as much as i thought it would
Prime Pass 4.8 2133mhz 7.9.7.21 cmd 2
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7...z79721cmd2.png
Im excited now we can get some better control , maybe i can lose this heavy droop , so does the llc 10 point system change to your vcore setting in bios StasioQuote:
Originally Posted by stasio
As posted above,set in BIOS always 1.4800V and test from LLC1 to LLC10 level value show in BIOSQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_7
Test only LLC2 and LLC3 atm in windows.
Congrats on G.Skill,
where is 7-9-7?
Go with CR1,Vtt..1.10-1.12 ;CSA 0.955.
Interesting. Only someone trying to blow up their chips would use LLC10.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
Seems like UD5 has slightly lower voltage in BIOS than your UD7.
On UD5, I just had 1 test
100.03x50:
1.445v set in BIOS:
LLC5: 1.440v idle vcore in BIOS (yours was 0.03v higher, stasio).
WinXP: idle 1.440v or 1.428v (I forgot).
Load: 1.404v-1.392v. (Prime blend)
Did about 45 minutes of prime blend without a crash and stopped.
Had to redo all my profiles since I cleared cmos:
4.5 ghz LLC5: 1.265v BIOS HT on
4.5 ghz LLC5: 1.250v BIOS HT off
5.0 ghz LLC5: 1.445v BIOS HT on
5.0 ghz LLC5: 1.430v BIOS HT off
Satisfied for now.
The vcore going into the chip at LLC5 seems to be about the same or maybe a tiny notch higher than on the last f3 beta. Temps seemed to be spot on. Then again it was 3 am. Didn't BSOD at the 5 ghz test. I did BSOD on the last beta with 1.445v LLC1, so I had to set it to 1.450v there. But since it is night time, who knows...
4.5 ghz will be my highest 24/7 settings (at 4 ghz for now) and the 5 ghz profiles will be my highest game settings.
Still boots at x49 with PLL override disabled, x50 enabled.
Had one bug where XP froze on shutdown...hasn't done that since I had a B2 board...
Are your Vdimm a notch higher (1.5240 in default),then in latest beta?
My vdimm went from 1.500 to 1.536v.
stasio sorry to post here for my ud4-b3...Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
but i try the f3 bios tomorrow... but im curious about the intagration of llc multilevel is only for ud5/ud7 ???
not ud4???
I think in UD4 LLC :"Auto-Disabled-Enabled".Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
Only UD7 and UD5 has "Multi-Steps Load Line"
UD4
http://i7.aijaa.com/b/00474/7846244.png
UD5/UD7 (B2 & B3)
http://i9.aijaa.com/b/00843/7846399.png
^
^
^
those tool is interesting
No secret,posted long time ago on TT forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatRaceTin
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ity-tools.html
:D
Btw,
http://www.mediafire.com/?gdfii8xfxpode75
wow stasio nice...Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
ok..
But,I am sure they improve LLC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
Test and see.:shrug:
here were my findings for the new levels of LLC, except when I tried it out for them I had the normal 3 levels as well. Level6 is the BEST hands down. It does overvolt though.
I will check to see if this is the SAME LLC i am guessing it is 100% of the way.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1302411185
Thanks Sin,I am on level 4 now and uping.....
So far best BIOS for me. :up:
Some people over hardwareluxx.de forum talking nonsence! :rofl::ROTF:
Sin, ok you really did it this time.
I don't understand the chart :(
You have standard, level 1 and level 2, with ten levels in each one...how? :shocked:
Your BIOS has standard, level 1 and level 2, and with 10 levels in each one?
I think you need to clear CMOS with power unplugged, then?
Mine only has "Disable", and "llc1-llc10".
llc4 seems to be the same as the old "level 1", so I used LLC5.
Tested F3 on my voltage loving 2600K at 5.0GHz
LLC10, Bios: 1.55, idle 1.65v, load 1.57v BSOD 124
Lower Levels are worse, cant boot into win.
Which level is equal to F3H Level2?
Owi, did you clear the CMOS with the power unplugged after flashing?
This is probably the most important "Clear CMOS right after flash" BIOS.
Sin's CMOS is messed up because he has level 1, standard and level 2 still there...cuz he didn't clear the CMOS.
And the old LLC2 should be either #7 or #8 now, at least on UD5 and on the real_7's UD7. The real_7's UD7 software and DMM readings match my UD5 software reading.
The old LLC1 should be #4 (
Your board should not be dropping the vcore at load, it should be raising it.
Try clear CMOS, with power supply unplugged, then set LLC8 1.50v set in BIOS.
Well i am doing another go at it, and it seems certain numbers from that chart are different. The reason being is that those results are from a B2 board using a different baseline LLC. Don't get me wrong many trends are the same, but I still think level6 is the best. I am retesting right now, and I am testing at 1.23v, 1.35v, 1.45v, and 1.5v and then getting idle and load for every level, hardware and software. I will post them without the fancy analysis numbers. For this minute, what i posted is a good rough indication of how LLC will work. Level6 doesn't have the same tight regulation i saw back a few weeks ago when i put that together for my own reference. I am in the process of changing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
Sorry man, yea i had a BIOS with the LLC levels, standard through level2 and then also that same BIOS lad LLC levels disable through 10, so I had 30 different LLC combinations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
You are killing your CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
Owi's CPU is high VID, so its probably running cooler than other chips because it doesn't respond to voltage so well.
I think Owi needs to clear CMOS with power button unplugged because he is getting vdroop at llc10. vdroop should be removed at llc6 and rise about 0.05v at LLC8 ...
yea i see vrise occurring as soon as level 5. i think these levels change in practice. This might sound very weird, but i am getting weird results. This LLC is like adapting to different voltage levels. I stated above i would be testing each at 1.23v, 1.35v, 1.45v, and 1.5v. I am getting in some cases vdroop at 1.23v and 1.35v and then vrise at 1.45v and 1.5v. In other cases its opposite, and in others 1.23v vdroops and the others rise. Its pretty odd, but I think it follows a trend, the PWM is constantly compensating. Odd but its nice to see with different voltage levels. I am going to change what I said and make this preliminary statement. LLC level5 for voltages 1.4v+ is the best. I honestly think they dropped the LCL effectiveness down from what i did. I am still testing with wprime and now for this round I am running IBT at the same time, if I can still move my mouse around then its not loaded enough. lol j/k
All I gotta say is you guys are getting crazzy with all these LLC options.. I dont know if I should be jealous or not... Any chance this could be added to X58a-ud5 bios or not?
Sin...why haven't you cleared the CMOS?
I bet everything would be working perfectly and you wouldnt have all those mixed up options if you did :(
i did, but its not really needed. I accidentally set level5 and thought it was level6 lol. Anyways the PWm will compensate, so it will change per voltage, and those results are the same across the board.
These LLC options are pre programmed into the GPIO, but even more are also programmed. Maybe X58 BIOS has something like this, or it might be something new to the ISL63XX family.
I retested, like 7 times, i am coming to the conclusion that its just ripple and that others people's results might vary from 5 to 7mv, as mine are.
stasio with the bios comming from B3 i need to flash with @BIOS and ALT+F12to backup i can load this F3 new one ? if anything goes wrong i can do @BIOS to F8f ?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
btw anyone knows another vcore measure point ? as my waterblock is covering that zone you sin posted...
thanks :up:
Sergio
I updated the Bios for my UD7-b3 to F3.
My computer is totally unstable when vcore offset is activated.
I have infinite reboot loop. Finally I have to clear cmos to get it work.
Everything seems to be ok when vcore is fixed.
lol one of you wanna try something for me, with software that is, see if default gives you higher voltage than level1 and level2 and maybe equals level3 LOL
Any leg of any choke that is facing the right side of the board or CPU socket, but the MLCC capacitor reads a different voltage sometimes, the MLCC caps are all on the back of the board under the CPu socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
yes sin but all the line of chokes is semi covered by the apogee XT i have to put a cable attached to my DMM if i want to measure but that sux i dont wanna touch anything else see ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
thanks :up:
Sergio
hmm you have a soldering iron? is the PWM covered too?
Dont be scared Sergio board and power supply have protection , even a slight touch and ground out system immediately will shut down , get your probes out :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
here we go, now this is a bit different than the first one, but i think you can figure it out. If someone wants I can also do idle-load to see the difference, but take a look and think about it lol. Level10 is a lot, level1 and level2 are worse than LLC disabled. Notice how far off software is. BTW your own measurements will be off anywhere from 5-10mv depending on your system. You can remeasure and you might even find that its 5mv off from your other measurement, its how VRMs work they are also compensating and changing the voltage. LLC level 5 and Level 6 are pretty good.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1302411185
lol im never afraid of but i know where i can measure or not i will try my best
thanks real and thanks sin
does P67A UD7 B2 F8 BIOS implements this 10 LLC states ?
it might try it out? I think it might.
You are not alone. I run 24/7 @4.7GHz, LLC Disabled, offset +0.09.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacek
Tried to optimize my Vcore a little bit with all those LLC levels with no luck. Any LLC level with offset causes infinite reboot loop and boots only after CMOS clear. Never had this problem with the old LLC options.
so i am guessing its just when you try to use the offset option?
EDIT: I just tried and you guys are correct, you cannot use offset and LLC infinite boot loop.
Time for another bios fix I guess.:)
yea probably a beta. For now just try without offset i guess.
I'm OK for now. Just can't get some fun playing with all those new levels for better 0-100% load Vcore scaling.:)
Wondering how GB made that big of move with no beta first.:confused:
Fire with high Vcore and LLC10 anyone?:D
Yes Sergio,Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
if you crossflash B3 BIOS must use @BIOS(first time only),then Backup and all new B3 update with QFlash.
Going back from B3 to B2 BIOS,also must use @BIOS.
Btw,tested in both ways and no problem.
Always flash in "Optimized Defaults" and after CLEAR_CMOS.
Yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by jacek
this BIOS is different then last beta's,all my saved BIOS profiles DID NOT work in this BIOS.
Firstly,
I think that BIOS is defective,but latter on discover that must start from scratch and do all setting manually again (with CLEAR_CMOS and "Optimized Defaults").
So far,still testing (as much as I can).no reboot,no coldboot and adjusting optimal settings for various OC.
Backup BIOS still on F3h.
I know i said it before and before . . . . . . BUT I LOVE THIS NEW BIOS :)
it hard to understand if you dont understand you voltages between load idle and bios and what llc option do , but if you do understand this bring you so much closer to having your best load and idle close as possible so far Im on a high voltage 1.480 for testing purposes and using llc5 giving me a 1.428 load from dmm tester , so far great passed 1 hour prime , the combination voltages or endless :up: