The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-25-2010, 08:18 PM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Haha, too true... I can think of many times I have thought I SHOULD have gone for faster shipping, and only one where I vaguely regretted doing so (overnight for $20 more over ground, and even then I didn't really think it was bad per say).

EDIT: I feel like a tool doing so, but I'm emailing them asking them to disregard my last email and hoping for the best... :p: . I'd rather not have to camp out newegg tomorrow hoping I get an order in etc. etc. Guess I'll find out in the morning if it gets cancelled on me or not :(.

I'm sure you will be fine. After all, they should receive the e-mail NOT to cancel before the one to do so ;)
03-25-2010, 08:19 PM
pentium777

Anyone seen this yet??

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/28...eaks-unvieling

Look at the bottom of the list Evga Superclocked! :slobber::slobber:

Wonder if that'll be the 725/1050 card? Also look at the prices with Asus and their supposedly 50% increase with voltage card lol.
03-25-2010, 08:26 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelixPC

looks weak and fake imo.

Those came from the Nvidia slides, which everyone considered real, so go figure... if the numbers aren't in your favor, the MUST be fake! :rofl:
03-25-2010, 08:27 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentium777

Anyone seen this yet??

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/28...eaks-unvieling

Look at the bottom of the list Evga Superclocked! :slobber::slobber:

Wonder if that'll be the 725/1050 card? Also look at the prices with Asus and their supposedly 50% increase with voltage card lol.

When added to cart with estimate shipping option...

Quote:

Remove EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 1536MB GDDR5 Superclocked PCI Express 2.0 x 16 SLI Ready Video Card 4/12/2010 $529.99 $529.99
SKU:BD11366

YOUCH!
03-25-2010, 08:37 PM
Sn0wm@n

there goes the nvidia tax be glad nvidia isnt on top right now or those card would sell for 650
03-25-2010, 08:38 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

When added to cart with estimate shipping option...

YOUCH!

Interesting wouldn't even let me add it, only thing that shows is a Notify Me button asking for an email address. Personally I don't like Mwave though I've been ripped off on shipping charges and big delays from there before and never ordered from there again.
03-25-2010, 08:41 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

there goes the nvidia tax be glad nvidia isnt on top right now or those card would sell for 650

They are on top with single GPU and SLI, of course this isn't 100% fact yet but it might be today with reviews. They just aren't on top with a large margin and IMO that's better for us as I didn't want to pay 650 per card.

If it turns out to be 20% faster and 5870 is $420 then add 20% to that is $504 so GTX 480 seems priced right to me, add to the fact Fermi is a more advanced technology. They are late, they had problems but they aren't price gouging this time, if the performance is at least 15-20% range.
03-25-2010, 08:48 PM
mindfury

GTX470 overclock benchmark:
http://i43.tinypic.com/10hqdja.jpg

Source:http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1385213-1-1.html
03-25-2010, 08:51 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfury

GTX470 overclock benchmark:

Source:http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1385213-1-1.html

GTX470 Looks like it is going to be the best buy from nVidia....

I can't wait to see the full results tomorrow :).
03-25-2010, 08:55 PM
Sn0wm@n

speculating here ..... if the gtx480 has 480 shader and the 470 448 how many will the 460 have and any indication on price ???? pure guess ????

since nvidia might get those ready by august or september ill be in the market for either crossfire or sli rig .... so why not go with 2 of those right ... unless ati's offering seems more appealing ..... or should i totally wait for a shrink and grab a gtx570
03-25-2010, 09:00 PM
96redformula

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/new...arch-29th.html

Quote:

NVIDIA was planning to launch GeForce GTX 400 series on March 26. This meant that it would launch a new graphics circuit architecture on a Friday, which is quite unusual. The reason is because NVIDIA was planning to show its GeForce GTX 400 series during the LAN Party PAX 2010, but it looks like the plans has changed. Even if it hasn't been entirely decided yet NVIDIA is expected to go through with the launch event of the GeForce GTX 400 series March 26 at PAX 2010, but there won't be any benchmarks. Specifications and prices will be revealed, but the media embargo with complete benchmarks and such won't be until March 29th, Monday the week following PAX. During the same week NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 will be available in stores and ready for deliveries. The latest information speak of April 6th, but we wouldn't exclude that you will be able to get cards sooner.

Wow, that would just piss everybody off.....

I wonder when we are going to see the cheaper mid ranged Fermi cards......anybody?
03-25-2010, 09:02 PM
Sn0wm@n

:banana::banana::banana::banana: this ish.... please leak some benchy someone....
03-25-2010, 09:03 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

speculating here ..... if the gtx480 has 480 shader and the 470 448 how many will the 460 have and any indication on price ???? pure guess ????

since nvidia might get those ready by august or september ill be in the market for either crossfire or sli rig .... so why not go with 2 of those right ... unless ati's offering seems more appealing ..... or should i totally wait for a shrink and grab a gtx570

GTX 570? Well as the saying goes "you can wait forever" there's always going to be newer and better just on the horizon and if you want the latest and greatest you'll pay a premium for it, only then you won't have outdated hardware for a little while.

For me I try to get what I can when I can and then do my best to sell it off used when it is still worth a decent amount of money.
03-25-2010, 09:05 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96redformula

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/new...arch-29th.html

Wow, that would just piss everybody off.....

I wonder when we are going to see the cheaper mid ranged Fermi cards......anybody?

People signed a NDA, already received cards, and supposedly the NDA ends today (Friday) 26th @ 7:01pm EST so unless they are adding an addendum to the NDA then I'd be posting my review anyway and ignoring any emails or calls from Nvidia saying otherwise. That's just me though :)
03-25-2010, 09:14 PM
Sn0wm@n

| 2010/03/17 21:07 didnt look at the date on that nordichardware link ..... nice ... its old news.... :O so the nda still ends on the 26th ....
03-25-2010, 09:33 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentium777

People signed a NDA, already received cards, and supposedly the NDA ends today (Friday) 26th @ 7:01pm EST so unless they are adding an addendum to the NDA then I'd be posting my review anyway and ignoring any emails or calls from Nvidia saying otherwise. That's just me though :)

the terms of an NDA are normally subject to that NDA and the date that its over can normally be extended indefinitely. and 7PM eastern is a strange time since NV deals in pacific time (but it could just be a converted time) and NDAs are normally over in the morning
03-25-2010, 09:35 PM
annihilat0r

http://www.provantage.com/pny-techno...b~7PNY90P3.htm

$485 GeForce GTX 480 from a well known e-retailer. If those leaked benchmarks are correct, I can safely say that this card is worth $100 more than a 5870, maybe even more.
03-25-2010, 09:37 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

the terms of an NDA are normally subject to that NDA and the date that its over can normally be extended indefinitely. and 7PM eastern is a strange time since NV deals in pacific time (but it could just be a converted time) and NDAs are normally over in the morning

maybe the nda end after the 6pm announcement at pax ?????
03-25-2010, 09:40 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

I can safely say that this card is worth $100 more than a 5870, maybe even more.

What a firm statement you made on something that is dependent on what power/features the person needs/wants. In other words,

"I can safely say that this card is worth $100 more than a 5870, maybe even more to me.
03-25-2010, 09:41 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

http://www.provantage.com/pny-techno...b~7PNY90P3.htm

$485 GeForce GTX 480 from a well known e-retailer. If those leaked benchmarks are correct, I can safely say that this card is worth $100 more than a 5870, maybe even more.

PNY is usually cheapest it seems, they appear to run 100% reference / stock design. While it is questionable if the $20-$50 premium is worth it for a company like Evga or BFG that sells the OC and Superclocked models both of those companies have a really good rep, usually hassle free RMAs, both have 90-100 day upgrade program (never used it though) If the GPU wasn't going in my PC I'd get a PNY but for me personally I want a bit more.
03-25-2010, 09:42 PM
flippin_waffles

Well I think it's now safe to say, that if anyone actually wants one, they had better order them now and take the price gouging up the poop shoot, because these are going to be rare. All but the largest retailers, etailers and AIB's are going to get shafted on allocation.
03-25-2010, 09:42 PM
annihilat0r

I feel absolutely no need to be politically correct. For a card that's essentially on the middle ground between a $400 and a $700 card, a $500 price point should be justified for pretty much everybody who has the money.
03-25-2010, 10:04 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Well I think it's now safe to say, that if anyone actually wants one, they had better order them now and take the price gouging up the poop shoot, because these are going to be rare. All but the largest retailers, etailers and AIB's are going to get shafted on allocation.

First please show me where you see price gouging, next please show me where you have evidence of "shafted on allocation" when the only thing I find is this article which is contrary to your statement.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...n-hd-5800.aspx
03-25-2010, 10:09 PM
eric66

price isn't bad with current state but i doubt that it will stay that way expect price gouging i say
03-25-2010, 10:18 PM
flippin_waffles

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentium777

First please show me where you see price gouging, next please show me where you have evidence of "shafted on allocation" when the only thing I find is this article which is contrary to your statement.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...n-hd-5800.aspx

Seriously? That's the only thing you can find? Well, there's plenty of evidence if you read forum's around the net. There's even members in this thread that have participated in some of them. Even if that article by Theo is true, it looks like it probably means that nv has been stock piling launch allocation and as soon as that limited volume runs dry, the waiting will begin.... and not end for quite some time.

So if you want one you should probably order while you can, or you'll risk going without.
03-25-2010, 10:21 PM
To(V)bo Co(V)bo

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Well I think it's now safe to say, that if anyone actually wants one, they had better order them now and take the price gouging up the poop shoot, because these are going to be rare. All but the largest retailers, etailers and AIB's are going to get shafted on allocation.

Totally agree, does anyone remember what happened after the 5 series got released? Parts were cheap, parts vanished, prices skyrocketed.

Fermi for 500$ release day, Fermi stock dries up, Fermi price jumps to 1000$ tomorrow.:shakes: Then prices are "retailers fault" when supply is dry. Who's fault? :shrug:
03-25-2010, 10:35 PM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Seriously? That's the only thing you can find? Well, there's plenty of evidence if you read forum's around the net. There's even members in this thread that have participated in some of them. Even if that article by Theo is true, it looks like it probably means that nv has been stock piling launch allocation and as soon as that limited volume runs dry, the waiting will begin.... and not end for quite some time.

So if you want one you should probably order while you can, or you'll risk going without.

Of course just like a 2010 Mustang GT500 when I was shopping for a new car 5 months ago and elected on a 09 Z06 because the GT500 was not only sold out before it hit the lot but it was not expected to see any for a while. Let me add also that dealers were getting over MSRP for them, and some of the people that reserved them sold them for 10-20k over what they paid. This happening in a down economy with horrible new car sales...

Anything that has a large supply and demand (PS3 release? Wii Release?) is going to sell out quick and if you really want it you better jump on it. This isn't news this is just the standard.
03-25-2010, 10:45 PM
flippin_waffles

Great. So then you agree. But really it doesn't matter what the performance is like, because there are enough nv faithful that will buy a turd with an nv sticker on it. :D

[edit]

Anyway, the reports are that availability will be very low. Watch nv play it like availability is high, but demand was so high the stock all dried up!
03-25-2010, 10:47 PM
annihilat0r

it all comes down to the turd's performance
03-25-2010, 11:01 PM
flippin_waffles

Sounds like you have a dilemna on your hands... Buy now with the assumption that it performs up to your expectations, get a card, or don't buy now and wait to see if performs up to your expectations and risk not getting one! :D
03-25-2010, 11:03 PM
TurboDiv

Where are the reviews, its the 26th now...
03-25-2010, 11:11 PM
Dahmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDiv

Where are the reviews, its the 26th now...

I'm trying to find some too...
03-25-2010, 11:11 PM
Musho

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDiv

Where are the reviews, its the 26th now...

50 more minutes till it is 26th for PST ;) That's when the NDA expires
03-25-2010, 11:13 PM
-TYPHOON-

I heard somewhere that the NDA stops the 29th.
03-25-2010, 11:13 PM
bill_d

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musho

50 more minutes till it is 26th for PST ;) That's when the NDA expires

nope your a hour slow it's 12:14
03-25-2010, 11:14 PM
Musho

Quote:

Originally Posted by -TYPHOON-

I heard somewhere that the NDA stops the 29th.

Not true, multiple reviewers have said to post their reviews at 00:01 PST on the 26th
03-25-2010, 11:15 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboDiv

Where are the reviews, its the 26th now...

another 12hours or so left and nda liftoff .....
03-25-2010, 11:15 PM
Marios

Do you really expect anyone to come with a review before Nvidia announces GeForce Fermi specifications?
This is on Friday 3/26 from 6 PM to 7 PM at Pax East 2010, Boston, MA.
So check the time in your country.
03-25-2010, 11:16 PM
illectrik

http://i40.tinypic.com/3310uhe.png
03-25-2010, 11:20 PM
mindfury

Quote:

Originally Posted by illectrik

.....

You are late...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1708
03-25-2010, 11:24 PM
illectrik

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfury

You are late...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1708

Do you realize that mine compares it right there for you with most common cards...and mine is English...???
03-25-2010, 11:28 PM
bill_d

Quote:

Originally Posted by illectrik

Do you realize that mine compares it right there for you with most common cards...and mine is English...???

a little old on that slide
oh look it beats a 4870 :clap:
03-25-2010, 11:32 PM
mindfury

Quote:

Originally Posted by illectrik

Do you realize that mine compares it right there for you with most common cards...and mine is English...???

I'm wordless now...:hm:
03-25-2010, 11:34 PM
Dahmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by illectrik

Do you realize that mine compares it right there for you with most common cards...and mine is English...???

oooh you compared it with an HD4870, thank you, have a cookie

actually useful comparison :
GTX470
http://i43.tinypic.com/10hqdja.jpg
vs
http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1389/3d1.png
http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-...Review/?page=3

I'll do a Vantage Extreme run when I get home and see what I get since the review is probably with older (worse) drivers :)
03-26-2010, 12:11 AM
Caparroz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahmer

oooh you compared it with an HD4870, thank you, have a cookie

:rofl::rofl::ROTF:

Fermi threads are the lulz. I think every forum on the internet should have one permanently stickied.
03-26-2010, 12:27 AM
miahallen

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Originally Posted by Musho

Not true, multiple reviewers have said to post their reviews at 00:01 PST on the 26th

Well, that didn't happen :rolleyes:
03-26-2010, 12:30 AM
JohnZS

0900 pst...
03-26-2010, 12:31 AM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musho

Not true, multiple reviewers have said to post their reviews at 00:01 PST on the 26th

Nope I thought so too and was looking for it. Guru3D had a countdown timer that was javascript and was different for everyone because of time zones. The reports from people indicate 11PM GMT which would make sense as we are currently GMT -4 for EST time zone (me) so that's 7PM EST which we know Nvidia presentation is 6PM-7PM EST.

So.... either 13 HRS 30 MIN or 14 HRS 30 MIN to go! I'm guessing if we see Guru3D review then every other major site will have it up.
03-26-2010, 12:32 AM
JohnZS

Ah so it will be 2300 GMT?!?!?! That is odd, usually reviews come out at around about the 1400-1500GMT time
03-26-2010, 12:34 AM
pentium777

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

Ah so it will be 2300 GMT?!?!?! That is odd, usually reviews come out at around about the 1400-1500GMT time

Major review sites have to abide by what Nvidia wants and if I were them I'd NOT want to see review sites before I had my big presentation. I read that we can't see it streamed live, if anyone gets either a live feed or some kind of video of the event please post it.
03-26-2010, 01:42 AM
Jowy Atreides

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96redformula

He might be pretty pissed if it doesn't come in eggshell texture with a raised font.....

He's prefer the bone with silian rail
03-26-2010, 01:57 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Thanks to trinibwoy for these graphs of those numbers:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5575/480bench.png
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6420/480bench2.png

nice... at least something...
but im pretty dissapointed, i expected to finally read reviews today :/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heinz68

I think the 8800 Ultra was the most overpriced Graphic Card ever. Even more than GTX 280 for $650 was.

well... idk... a 8800gtx is still enough to play games at 1920x1080 and max details and aa today... so it was expensive but if you think of not having to upgrade for what, almost 3 years? thats pretty damn impressive and the per year cost is only around 200$...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DosDuoNo

thats not silliness, this is patrick after he picked up a GTX480 for $480

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8766/sw75344032.gif

hahah awesome, keep em comming :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

See what happens when you base expectations on random forum ramblings? ;) Did the developer claim it was an nvidia optimized game?

its not an twimtbp game? :confused:

oh and did anybody notice the latyest xbitlabs article?
they meassured power consumption of the latest cards in very high detail, slot, first 6pin, second 6pin or 8 pin, in idle, under gaming load, occt load and blue ray playback load... very interesting!
and in this article they hint towards the 400 series being very hot and power hungry.
in fact they say something along the lines of "it might take a while until nvidia cards are perf/watt competitive again"

xbitlabs is veeery picky when it comes to power consumption of cpus, boards and vgas...
this cant affect their 400 review for the better... and the fact that they went back to the bench and checked the power consumption of all current cards shows that this is going to be a major part of their 400 series article, power consumption... :D
03-26-2010, 02:04 AM
Nickel020

I'll bet $50 that the NDA lift is at midnight GMT, 1:00 CET (which would make it 7 p.m. EST).
03-26-2010, 02:08 AM
RaZz!

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

[...]
well... idk... a 8800gtx is still enough to play games at 1920x1080 and max details and aa today...
[...]

what? not really. not even close, lol. what games are you talking about? my 4850 struggles in quite a few games (1680x1050, max details, no aa) so there's no way a 8800gtx is enough to play @1080p, max details and aa.
03-26-2010, 02:15 AM
FuryPT

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZz!

what? not really. not even close, lol. what games are you talking about? my 4850 struggles in quite a few games (1680x1050, max details, no aa) so there's no way a 8800gtx is enough to play @1080p, max details and aa.

I had a 8800 GTX on a Samsung T220P and let me see, I had problems playing grid in 1080p withouth AA... The GTX 280 was good, but not that good to be able to play almost everything the next three years :O
03-26-2010, 02:45 AM
Nightcover

I dunno I play most games at highest details with SLI 8800GT, they have been nice to me for almost 3 years now..

It all depends on the requirements of Guild Wars 2 if i'll upgrade or not.
03-26-2010, 03:00 AM
Musho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightcover

I dunno I play most games at highest details with SLI 8800GT, they have been nice to me for almost 3 years now..

It all depends on the requirements of Guild Wars 2 if i'll upgrade or not.

SLI 8800GT is quite a bit faster than a single 8800GTX though :)
Talking about 8800GTXs, mine just died in my secondary PC. Damned solder problem. Luckily I still have 1 month of warranty left. Since they don't produce the GTX anymore, I might actually get a free upgrade now. Nice! :D
03-26-2010, 03:28 AM
N19h7m4r3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightcover

I dunno I play most games at highest details with SLI 8800GT, they have been nice to me for almost 3 years now..

It all depends on the requirements of Guild Wars 2 if i'll upgrade or not.

From the ingame clips I've seen on GW2, it's basicaly just a upgrade of the old engine.

It still looks very similar.

Probably not to alienate any people with older systems.
03-26-2010, 03:32 AM
Aerwidh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musho

Since they don't produce the GTX anymore, I might actually get a free upgrade now. Nice! :D

Sweet! :D
03-26-2010, 03:35 AM
Florinmocanu

ATM i use a GTS 250 from Leadtek, V2 that is, a bit of OC. It's at around 8800GTX levels because of higher freq, even if mem bus is just 256. But at 1680/1050, with an I7 CPu at 4 Ghz, i still cannot max some games, like metro/crysis/stalker/BFBC2 etc..., not talking about 4x AA or some other delights.
03-26-2010, 03:42 AM
prava

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightcover

I dunno I play most games at highest details with SLI 8800GT, they have been nice to me for almost 3 years now..

It all depends on the requirements of Guild Wars 2 if i'll upgrade or not.

Almost 3? How is that? They were released Q4 2007.

BTW, you are missleading by that. Most games != the latest games. I can't play all the games with a GTX295 oced...which is nearly 2x your system.
03-26-2010, 03:59 AM
ajaidev

yay its 7 EST ammm well 7 am EST anyways :(
03-26-2010, 04:03 AM
zerazax

7 PM EST.... strangest release date/time yet
03-26-2010, 04:06 AM
mAJORD

NDa should lift in time for my morning Coffee over here.. ;) Should make good reading for it
03-26-2010, 04:08 AM
iTravis

GTX 480 will be showed on these screens 2nite at PAX 6PM EST. I'm wondering if Nvidia use the GTX 480 to power these screens, that would be hilarious. :D
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1...3252840911.jpg
03-26-2010, 04:21 AM
ajaidev

5870 lightning and 2*470 caught in bed

http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stor...4704705870.jpg

5870 lightning could handle 2*470 is something :)
03-26-2010, 04:24 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Is it only me that think there's something weird about the brackets? Poor 2nd GTX470, that card has to run hot as hell.
03-26-2010, 04:37 AM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

GTX 480 will be showed on these screens 2nite at PAX 6PM EST. I'm wondering if Nvidia use the GTX 480 to power these screens, that would be hilarious. :D
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/115/25167374955743252840911.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

3 screens means it have to be using ATI Eyefinity Technology :p:
03-26-2010, 04:54 AM
Musho

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

5870 lightning and 2*470 caught in bed

http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stor...4704705870.jpg

5870 lightning could handle 2*470 is something :)

What's the point of that setup? :shrug: 2 Fermi cards for Physx, while the 5870 renders the actual game? :rofl:
03-26-2010, 04:54 AM
Picao84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

3 screens means it have to be using ATI Eyefinity Technology :p:

Hmm.. wrong :confused:
Its possible to use 3 screens with SLI...
03-26-2010, 05:00 AM
japamd

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

5870 lightning and 2*470 caught in bed

[IG]http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stories/Szymanski/News/2010/4704705870.jpg[/IMG]

5870 lightning could handle 2*470 is something :)

threesome action :rofl::rofl::rofl:
03-26-2010, 05:00 AM
Marios

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

3 screens means it have to be using ATI Eyefinity Technology :p:

I suppose you believe ATI affinity supports 3D Nvision on three screens :p:
03-26-2010, 05:04 AM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

5870 lightning and 2*470 caught in bed

http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stor...4704705870.jpg

5870 lightning could handle 2*470 is something :)

:D more hydra :banana::banana::banana::banana: needed
03-26-2010, 05:09 AM
nnunn

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

GTX 480 will be showed on these screens 2nite at PAX 6PM EST. I'm wondering
if Nvidia use the GTX 480 to power these screens, that would be hilarious. :D

Are those... 120 Hz screens :eek:
03-26-2010, 05:11 AM
japamd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musho

What's the point of that setup? :shrug: 2 Fermi cards for Physx, while the 5870 renders the actual game? :rofl:

Quote:

We've picked up news from MSI regarding the latest implementation of Multi-GPU processing on the Big Bang Fuzion mainboard. Using the Lucid Hydra chipset, MSI was able to get two GeForce GTX 470 to run with a Radeon HD 5870 Lightning to complete 3DMark. More inside.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/msi-to-r...-gpu/8688.html
03-26-2010, 05:12 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElSel10

I'm sure you will be fine. After all, they should receive the e-mail NOT to cancel before the one to do so ;)

Heh, you were right... I called in this morning after they opened to make sure it was intact, and was told it's all set still... opened my email and noticed an email from 5 minutes before I called saying the order would remain in-place per my request :p:.
03-26-2010, 05:15 AM
Mk

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...F2THLzMP9cw%3D
This is what a 6ft man looks like standing next to 3D Vision Monster Surround. #NVIDIA #PAXEast

source twitter
so yes i guess they are 3D
03-26-2010, 05:16 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mk

[*IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/78871067.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&E xpires=1269610202&Signature=1fzRRckZHseLlnvS%2F2TH LzMP9cw%3D[/IMG]
This is what a 6ft man looks like standing next to 3D Vision Monster Surround. #NVIDIA #PAXEast

source twitter
so yes i guess they are 3D

Holy cow...
03-26-2010, 05:18 AM
Designer

what the hell are those.. lol

edit;

a blackberry bold 9700 shot

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rbyx6u.jpg
03-26-2010, 05:19 AM
MrDiaz

A wet dream is what it is!
03-26-2010, 05:21 AM
Sam_oslo

Those are 2x GTX480 @576000000000000 x 216000000000000000 resolution :p:
03-26-2010, 05:35 AM
Behemot

Page 90:fact:

I guess we'll actually need the 4th thread for when the real specs and reviews come out...:clap:
03-26-2010, 05:35 AM
Sushi Warrior

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mk

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...F2THLzMP9cw%3D
This is what a 6ft man looks like standing next to 3D Vision Monster Surround. #NVIDIA #PAXEast

source twitter
so yes i guess they are 3D

Yep and they aren't broadcasting it online because it is all in 3d...
03-26-2010, 05:37 AM
jaredpace

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/...dcd52bc3_o.png
03-26-2010, 05:39 AM
onethreehill

Quote:

This evening's entertainment: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480
Anybody care to take a guess at the missing score in the following graph?

http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/nvidia/...ark-teaser.jpg

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23130

From: Sapphire HD 5870 TOXIC 2GB Review

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...58702GB/05.png
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079&page=4
03-26-2010, 05:39 AM
highoctane

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Poor 2nd GTX470, that card has to run hot as hell.

It does have fan holes on the backside of the pcb so it should still be better than any previous cards as far as airflow is concerned.
03-26-2010, 05:40 AM
MrDiaz

[QUOTE=Behemot;4307423]Page 90:fact:
QUOTE]

We are on page 72 atm.... :ROTF:
03-26-2010, 05:47 AM
Marios

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

nice... at least something...
but im pretty dissapointed, i expected to finally read reviews today :/

well... idk... a 8800gtx is still enough to play games at 1920x1080 and max details and aa today... so it was expensive but if you think of not having to upgrade for what, almost 3 years? thats pretty damn impressive and the per year cost is only around 200$...

hahah awesome, keep em comming :D

its not an twimtbp game? :confused:

oh and did anybody notice the latyest xbitlabs article?
they meassured power consumption of the latest cards in very high detail, slot, first 6pin, second 6pin or 8 pin, in idle, under gaming load, occt load and blue ray playback load... very interesting!
and in this article they hint towards the 400 series being very hot and power hungry.
in fact they say something along the lines of "it might take a while until nvidia cards are perf/watt competitive again"

xbitlabs is veeery picky when it comes to power consumption of cpus, boards and vgas...
this cant affect their 400 review for the better... and the fact that they went back to the bench and checked the power consumption of all current cards shows that this is going to be a major part of their 400 series article, power consumption... :D

It seems to me there is something wrong with XbitLabs' power consumption method.
1. Is it possible to measure the amps for a certain slot?
2. The method assumes PSU provides exactly 3.3v/5v/12v at any time.
3. A GPU that performs CPU calculations, looks more power hungry, compared to another GPU that has no such ability. Though the total system power consumption might be a lot better with a GPGPU.
4. This method is very complicated, needs calibration, it's not widely acceptable and prone to errors.
5. The results are not comparable between different measurements even on the same system.

Xbitlabs didn't provide a total system power consumption at the same time.
The power consumption of GTX285 seems to be a lot more than HD4890.
XbitLabs measured the power consumption while playing Crysis Warhead at 170W for HD4890 and 245W for GTX285.
Though the official "Max Power Draw" for HD4890 is 190W and 183W for GTX285.
Do they imply that Nvidia announced a lot less max power consumption (20W) specs and ATI a lot more (20W)?
Most other power benchmarks seem to give lower power consumption for GTX285 compared to HD4890 though.
Xbit Labs measured GTX295 (55nm dual GPU) and 5970 (40nm dual GPU) but skipped the 4970X2 (55nm dual GPU). Why?

I am not sure I can trust xbit labs' power measurements.
03-26-2010, 05:47 AM
Nickel020

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mk

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...F2THLzMP9cw%3D
This is what a 6ft man looks like standing next to 3D Vision Monster Surround. #NVIDIA #PAXEast

source twitter
so yes i guess they are 3D

Pic is down for me :(
03-26-2010, 05:53 AM
Behemot

3Dcenter talks about GF104 http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/deta...nce-chip-gf104
03-26-2010, 05:58 AM
Dami3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/...dcd52bc3_o.png

OMFG, if those numbers are real, they will burn literally in summer... or blow your ears.
03-26-2010, 05:59 AM
Picao84

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreehill

http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/nvidia/...ark-teaser.jpg

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23130

From: Sapphire HD 5870 TOXIC 2GB Review

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...58702GB/05.png
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079&page=4

OMG! Why is every site teasing us? :mad: And i may be wrong, but those charts seems to imply that GTX480 is faster than HD5970, looking at the scale:shocked:

EDIT: Well, HD5970 is showing poor scaling (37% faster), probably CPU bottleneck? Still if GTX480 manages to achieve HD5970 levels of performance, it will be impressive. On the other hand, it might not be true, although I have trouble seeing Hexus making a chart to tease..

EDIT 2: Looking again at it, it would not be that impressive. Only around 40% faster than a GTX285.. fail...
03-26-2010, 06:10 AM
overclocking101

um still no reviews??
03-26-2010, 06:11 AM
Mechromancer

Wasn't the NDA for Fermi expiring today? Where the hell are the reviews?
03-26-2010, 06:14 AM
MrDiaz

6PM - 7PM EST, still gotta wait
03-26-2010, 06:22 AM
aussie-revhead

A few more hours left isnt there ?
03-26-2010, 06:29 AM
Dahmer

EST = GMT - 4

GMT = 14:29 -> EST = 10:29 AM

about 8 hours to go :(
03-26-2010, 06:31 AM
mattlef

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie-revhead

A few more hours left isnt there ?

well at this very moment, its 10:30am est.

So, there is aprox 8 hours and 30 mins until the expiration of the NDA

----
damn, ninja'd
03-26-2010, 06:32 AM
Picao84

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie-revhead

A few more hours left isnt there ?

Around 9 hours...
03-26-2010, 06:44 AM
blindbox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marios

It seems to me there is something wrong with XbitLabs' power consumption method.
1. Is it possible to measure the amps for a certain slot?
2. The method assumes PSU provides exactly 3.3v/5v/12v at any time.
3. A GPU that performs CPU calculations, looks more power hungry, compared to another GPU that has no such ability. Though the total system power consumption might be a lot better with a GPGPU.
4. This method is very complicated, needs calibration, it's not widely acceptable and prone to errors.
5. The results are not comparable between different measurements even on the same system.

Xbitlabs didn't provide a total system power consumption at the same time.
The power consumption of GTX285 seems to be a lot more than HD4890.
XbitLabs measured the power consumption while playing Crysis Warhead at 170W for HD4890 and 245W for GTX285.
Though the official "Max Power Draw" for HD4890 is 190W and 183W for GTX285.
Do they imply that Nvidia announced a lot less max power consumption (20W) specs and ATI a lot more (20W)?
Most other power benchmarks seem to give lower power consumption for GTX285 compared to HD4890 though.
Xbit Labs measured GTX295 (55nm dual GPU) and 5970 (40nm dual GPU) but skipped the 4970X2 (55nm dual GPU). Why?

I am not sure I can trust xbit labs' power measurements.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammeter
2. This is probably the cause of discrepancy
3. How did you figure that out? Lots of variables, the last DX9 card was not on 55nm or 40nm
4. Well, aren't their equipments pre-calibrated?
5. Again, how did you figure this out?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3750&p=12 I dunno, anandtech says 4890 consumes less power than GTX285

If I'm not mistaken, w1zzard does his power calculations straight from the PCI-e connectors too.

I do wonder how both of them measure the power through the PCI-E slot (by both of them, I mean xbitlabs and w1zzard. Not anandtech, anandtech does wall)

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/Power..._Green/27.html

You hit the mark at 2, I don't think xbitlab's can be trusted too much either.

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