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They are not using it anymore, its too expensive ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
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The nano-coating is a problem itself. Because, the inner structure of the tubes is not guaranteed a full coverage with nano coating! ... So, why should we use an expensive coating-process with a dissatisfied result? And itīs not necessary anymore!
That, was actually a good idea that needed further work and improvements. So far only Scythe (by bringing up Nidec fans to the general public) has really made an effort in that direction. I would definitely buy a good lot of 38mm thick "Gentle Typhoon killers" or 140mm version of them (or even better, 140x38mm).Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
As for the radiators, tube rads have had so far poor cooling capacity per volume, and high water flow restriction. I think the evolutionary step for radiators would be more in the spirit of what is made on air coolers, aka stacked plates, proper shrouding, and good use of airflow dynamics (the current top breed of air coolers have rather engineered stacked plates designs...)
I bugged the guys at Specialtech about 140x38 San Aces and they're getting them (and a few other types) so far they've got 120x38's but the rest are having to come from Japan... Via Sanyo Denki's main European distributor in France. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Oh good, is that distributor selling to general public or are they just doing wholesale ? I'd order a San Ace from them just to see myself what they're about (i'm more about silent cooling...)
so are these basically laminova cores?
http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...&cPath=154_155
Says monsta will be in by x-mas while the others will be out jan -_-. Seems like feser figured reinventing the wheel was more difficult than they thought.
Arkuatika: i rather suggest fine tuning manufacturing to get more reasonable pricing, just like info about removing nano-coating/nano-roughing(?) from process as bringing little gain/big price increase, also maybe something to do with replacing aluminium (at least that rised big protests from many in community) and fine-tuning optimal airflow resistance (FPI)/cooling. Last one might call for many prototypes, as it probably is harder to calculate just on paper-only something much different then common rad design without lot of actual tests .. time will tell. I still have my guesses about slight but win over all the other rads, but unreasonably high price because of uncommon design (common rad design was born/fine tuned for many many decades, if different designs were not used, there must be a reason (probably price)).
Delayed? not again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkuatika
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the funny part is our current rads was pulled off heatercore designs from pHD car designers and physics to fit inside cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkuatika
These heater cores evolved to be longer, or wider, and came with shrouds.
Now feser thinks they have a crack pot team of scientists greater then the ones car manufactorers ... its all points to them.
(although i doubt it...)
What im waiting for is someoen to bust out a ferarri or lambo radiator and pwn all of us with the most expensive rad in there system.
You, NaeKuh, and specially you, should take in mind that you can't compare two rads built for 2 totally different scenarios. I think you will agree with me that the only similarity between a LC rad and a car rad will be that...huh...they are radiators. Specially in high-end cars where weight/performance is the only thing that matters, there is nothing to compare.
And, just another thing: if you ask for fairness in the EK thread you should do the same and give the benefit of the doubt to Feser, wether you personally like the product/company or not. But bashing a product that hasn't been reviewed...lets follow the tradition and allow Skinne/Vapor to play with their toys :) Then, if necessary, you take the petrol and I bring a lighter :D
your right without any testing and proof one can't make a blanket statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by prava
But lets think about it in this aspect.
When radiators were first made, the MCR series in particular, Bill Adams of Swiftech... which later on moved to start his own company cooling works, did an extensive test on radiators on procooling.
The facts we shout out is not warranted without many hours of tests done by people of martin's calibur.
Bill Adams was the guy we were all trying to make martin become.
So trying to cross tests with such legends as bill adams is very difficult.
And lastly.. it hasnt been the first time for feser to exaggerate any claims.
Remember ADMIRAL RADIATOR GIVE AWAY CONTEST ?
Update:
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Contest will end as soon as we get Admirals in our stock. You will be one of the first people worldwide to get this product!
Estimated date: hoping by X-mas (as of Dec 1st update).
But anyway IMO they deserve to be right unless proven wrong. So lets just wait for them to come with the product without bringing the hammer :rofl:, for the fairness of the game, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
@prava - Agreed, we know little about this radiator yet. I for one am hoping for something incredible and will hold any criticism until I see test data from a qualified test. I don't know why you say someone deserves something though. The fact of the matter is that it's all speculation until the claims are validated by independent test regardless of any deserving.
@Naekuh - The argument that a better solution to this problem cannot be found because a similar problem has, according to you, has been studied to exhaustion is asinine. If you know anything about engineering, then you know that there are more constraints on the design process than just performance, and everything can be done 'better'. Also, beware of your blind faith in people with pHDs.
I do wish they'd hurry the hell up... (if it does turn out bad, can I come to the bonfire)
My point is, that 'bad' can be turned out in several ways, including price. Not just effectiveness wise or bad optimisation with low speed fans wise or aluminium in waterpath wise but also price wise. I'm too lazy to browse all pages back in this thread, but IIRC at one point somewhere was mentioned something like $90 for 1x120 (for those less lazy then me, something around the middle where people started arguing with first specs/description appearing up, with how expensive it would be to test/cut-up rad to prove/disprove claims about aluminium usage in rad). Compare $90 1x120 to $70 for MCR 4x120? or $85 for RX 3x120? 100$ for TC PA 3x120? $92 for EK XT 4x120? (quick lookup @sidewinder) If such pricing proves to be true after real release only saving grace can be exclusivity, as in - THE best performance (+extra bling-ish looks which could already be seen in first pics). Exclusivity niche from already small niche of liquid cooling will probably result in small volumes of rads sold though (which will mean higher manufacturing price premium).
Guys, I just stumbled across this.:rofl:
http://www.frozencpu.com/news.html
I normally don't scroll down the first page but I just did (cause I was bored) and there it was.;)
About time.."Einstein's Unfinished Revolution":rofl:,to bad a lot of folks will have light pockets after the holidays :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
the mystery and tidbits of info continue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xSzcbhCWpA
and some further evidence that radiators are made in machine shops.
Laser manufacturing! With advanced human-hand shaped androidic bio-robot to move parts! :)
But really, it's 90% about cooling performance which we still know nothing about, and only then 10% bling which was expected/known since long ago :(
And skinnee. TA? :)
A quote says : MrPassivemenis Admirals are hitting the shelfs in usa in january after CES.
TheFeserCompany
I am told I will be handed a testable sample at CES. That should be fun going through security with on the way back home.
I was carrying 3 rads and a PSU in my hand luggage through customs, no problem. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Yeah, I've taken ln2 pots, UEI meters, TIM, eraser and foam through... but a big ass rad seems like it will be different. :p:
Skinnee: TA was asked not as in ETA, but as in Thermochill TA :)
No testable sample. We had the radiator cores, but TFC took them back for some video or something. I snapped a few pics of the core and will have them posted once I get back to a machine with Photoshop.
And still no firm release date.