SB460 is pin compatible with SB600, 460 has the same core as 450 just the 600 package.
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SB460 is pin compatible with SB600, 460 has the same core as 450 just the 600 package.
Does this mean Dfi can't just put in sb600 where 450 was without any more modifications?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Customers are screwed because if they pay 230€ for a mobo, they pay for a finished product getting a beta one instead, having to experience many bios flashes, and headaches until they get their hardware running as it should. Mobos are starting to be like wine, getting better with ageing.
This board has a couple tricks up its sleeve.....don't be so quick to dismiss it and call it a beta.
always => :bows:
i was really convinced that this mobo was the best of the best atm.
tony i really hope you can get something more out of it.
this mobo is made for hardcore oc'ers so it is powerfull nop doubt.
but a little userfriendly wasn't too mutch to ask i hope :)
edit: please don't talk but show us, i need to be convinced this mobo "can" please our needs ;)
Well true but the issue is new chipsets will be here by then, its moving at a furious pace I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
At the end of the day we all get caught in the chipset war/game betwen ATI and NV and then sit here debating what is best etc.
The pace is quickening up, so we will be busy talking on forums for many weeks to come.
when did you buy your DFI NF4? how many bios files have you flashed to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Always
Nothing has changed, you all want more so the engineers try to give it you.
Maybe we all need to run stock and forget about overclcoking???
Ok , so when will the new bios be available so a few of us can test it.
I totally agree with what you are saying but when I see a new motherboard from DFI I come to the party saying must be a great board from a great company every company has a letdown once in a while.
But this one has just been really disheartening.
The board has promise I will say, its something new and nothing new will rock straight away.
If your needs are TCCD, tough luck, it won't--that's not one of its tricks. It's an amazing board with memory below 300MHz, certainly the best CPU clocking and its still got a trick or two up its sleeve--check OPB's thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jort
More BIOSs will be out in due time, just hold on and run it at what you can for now if you're having problems (this is a completely new beast after all, commonly known things on the NF4 simply won't go on this, as Tony has stated MANY times). If you really don't like it, sell it or donate it or something.
Why are you getting at me this way? I'm just posting my feelings about a just released product on the thread meant for it, and you are asking me when I bought my NF-4 mobo? I'm not the only one who feels dissappointed about initial performance of this product. Wouldn't you be screwed If you paid as much as the RDX costs and your initial experiences were totally disappointing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Im not getting at you, i was asking genuine questions to get a genuine point accross to you.
I actually feel Oskar made the NF4 6 months to early, he brought an awesome overclocker to the market and everything else will be judged against this. Now i asked you questions to get you thinking about the beta status the DFI NF4 has been all this time.
If you want to clock the same as the Nf4 stick with the Nf4, it was built for TCCD and it clocks this type of ram better than any board on the present market. Now if you want crossfire, you have high multis on your cpu and you want a solid CPU overclcoker then this may suit you.
Enthusiast boards will always be beta, as we always want more from them.
Jason, have a look at DFI street and look at the forum for the NF4 and see how perfect the board is....enthusiast boards have issue, they all do, and maybe the biggest issue is our expectations are way to high.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
All I gotta say is, all boards have their issues, nothing still beats what dfi puts out, this will still hold true once the new boards are figured out I bet. They truely do cater to us. I can think of many many companies that half ass it claiming to be "an overclockers board". I think alot of ppl have been easily spoiled by the power of dfi's nforce4. Remember when you had to do volt mods? DFI gives you volt options up the ass, everyone and their mom could potentially get a world record now. You all know as well as I do that when a board comes out, it will not be perfect overclocking. it HAS to be perfect stock, that's all.
Tony any tricks to get past 270.
That is far as I can get but I have to use divider for memory.
Use the settings I posted a few pages back, they were for TCCD and i was 100% stable at 290 1:1 with them
I jumped back testing ATI reference to give my head a rest from the RDX, while testing i had a few mins to reflect about A64 overclocking with TCCD etc.
I have a feeling the envelope we are pushing has been pushed all it can go, in that there is little to be gained top end wise with the ram as it stands now. So....Oskar has looked at a new way of tweaking a board and that happens to be with 2 gig kits and with 4 dimms. On reflection, Ryan told me OCZ are selling more 2gig kits than anything else at this present time which holds true to what i reported to him 3 months ago, which was that the market will move to lower latency 2gig kits to help with the new breed of games that are being released.
So, we may have to realise that the market is still actually driven more by gamers than balls out enthusiasts at this time when it comes to how the boards are set up to handle memory. I know boards are a lot better at overclocking memory but this RDX was tuned for high density not high fsb so maybe thats the way we all need to be heading.
Over the next few weeks a new rash of boards are going to be available, what we need to do is see how these boards are tuned and see if they are sacrificing ultra high fsb for higher density overclocking...then we will know for sure.
Side note, Just had another mail off Rgone who loves the board at 280x10, calling it uber slick and much better than his modded NF4.So at least for him it looks my present ramblings are holding true.
I really hope that this is not the way it's gonna go, Tony.
Not that current DFI NF4 board cannot handle 2x1GB or 4x1GB configuration. It does it just fine, despite latter configuration being a total overkill for today's standards and requirements, anyway. But If with announcement of DFI RDX200 they decided to "tweak" it for 2x1GB and not for TCCD, leaving TCCD performance way behind compared to DFI NF4 then something must have went wrong in there during brainstorming. It's just plain wrong.
So far, it looks like DFI NF4 is still the winner for hardcore enthusiasts and gamers. It can handle and OCs all major types of memory. DFI RDX200 seems to lack this versatility so far.
There happens to be more RAM than TCCD for the 2x512 segment that performs VERY well on the RDX. Although having ALL of the flexibility that the NF4 has would be optimal, if I had to choose one type of RAM to ditch it would be the high-speed stuff.
Low latency and high density are my current favorites right now :D
and this board can certainly deliver it seems
Honestly, If I was a hardcore gamer that needs 2x1GB and likes to OC his RAM then I would only buy RDX200 if it proofed that it can do it better than DFI NF4. Unless, one is an ATI fanboy and really needs Crossfire instead of SLi.
So, If DFI RDX200 was tweaked for 2x1GB then I would understand it must be better at handling it and OCing, right? So, my question is - is it or not then?
The funny part for me is I need a board that handles high RAM density well so i can replace more expensive workstation boards with simple x2 chips for testing DB's. So a board that will handle 4 gigs well with no hassle and upmost performance is more important to me than vid by far... I need memory density to be high with reasonable bandwidth or I can't even think of replacing much faster NUMA compliant hardware with it.
This board may do it, the NF4 does not...
Irony in this ----because I may be benefitting from the gaming direction of things :D
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Poor Tony having to field all these harsh questions. Big thank you Tony. My question is how come the maker(s) of the board doesn't come on these boards and field our questions? I know this isn't DFI Street, but come on, there are questions better answered by DFI reps since they work for the company and all. Even though I am pretty sure Tony gave his inputs, he still WORKS FOR OCZ.
I remembered BEFORE DFI made a name (pre-NF4 days), there was a lot of DFI activity going on during the NF4 LP prelaunchings. It would be great if there's the same kind of support this time around and also in the future. If there isn't enough reps, HIRE more people. That's what GROWING companies do, hire more people to better service the customers.
Without being an a$$ I don't think "Growing" companies can really grow based on the relatively small enthusiast market......... It’s a great place for testing and feedback but it doesn’t pay the rent, imho………
Well if they want testing and feedback, shouldnt they BE THE ONES to collect the results? Its like Toyota asking Michelin or Bridgestone or whoever they OEM supplier is to collect surverys on their cars.
DFI has been around forever though, its not like some upstart, they have been trying to expand thier market, and theyve been doing a damn good job imo.
you guys keep moaning about TCCD on this board, but from what it sounds like, even though it doesnt do 300+ well it does 280 with much better timings, as tony said in the end its still faster, clocks arent everything as we know in the BH-5 Vs. TCCD battle, stop moaning about this boards lack of tccd support, from what it sounds like its still faster then nf4lp even with TCCD.
My bet is that with everything the same except the mobos, once tweaked out properly, the RDX would win in most situations.
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Originally Posted by situman
i dont think DFI asked us for our opinions from anyone except bigtoe actually, and they were kind enough to let bigtoe share what is going on with us. What other mobo manufacturer lets us have even this much? stop complaining about what DFI isnt doing and start looking at how much more they do for us then anyone else.
If you really want DFI comments, go to the DFI street website, dfi is not asking bigtoe to tell us what we think, ad they arent making him collect information for us. DFI already has thier own methods of gaining thier information via their own essage boards and channels and such, bigtoe is merely doing us a favor and sharing what he knows with us, working to get us better product.
i feel very strongly about this, i have heard enough about what DFI hasn't done, they are leaps and bounds above other mobo vendors imo.