first i have to make my windows bootup again, wrecked it by ram oc..
first i have to make my windows bootup again, wrecked it by ram oc..
And another update! Getting more excited now:p:.
Though my only stability testing atm is a few hours of Prime long FFT's, Ill use some other applications later on as well. Is the AOD stability test worth anything or just like Prime small FFT, aka crap?
Good results, glad to see a little NB clocks indeed help stability then.
I just quit a Prime which ALMOST ran 6hours at 1.3125Vcore and Vnb. With ~20C ambient (Im guessing), it only became 42~43C. I also just noticed, it runs (thus far) stable at only +0.0125V from default:).
Thinking quickly what Ill test now, as Im going to bed in a few minutes. Thinking to drop Vcore and Vnb at a little below 1.3V and see how it does that.
I also thought, now Im searching for lower Volts, I must be burning the CPU nicely in now. At least, I hope:ROTF:. I could jump and try to get 2.8Ghz again, but now I got a stable point I want to know first what Volts it really needs. I decided one thing though, just run Vcore and Vnb 1:1. Maybe the Vnb might get overvolted for only 2.2Ghz a little, but as it was one of the parameters I changed which got everything stable I don't see anything wrong with it. Also DFI BIOS recommends it, although as I said, I dont know it it's really needed.
And oh yes, I might order a 3Ware 9650SE RAID controller tomorrow since I found a shop which has it in stock RIGHT now with a nice price, about 170Euro's or so. And me and my wallet saw the announcement of WD VelociRaptors too:eek:. 300GB, 2.5" but in custom passive cooled 3.5" housing and they claim it's 35% faster than current Raptors. 299$ MSRP though.
Might I make a smart suggestion and advise you to go with a Areca 1210?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Areca Bar None has the most Compatibility for people that change Boards frequently trust me on this!
On the second total waste of money and advise that you go SAS if you have that kind of money to dump on a Raid 0 Array beside they are 300gb which means storage drives not O.S Drives.
OuchQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
KTE tried the auto tune feature a week ago. That brought him above 3GHz but it was not stable. I assume that process uses AOD stability test functions, so they are not usefull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Do you use watercooling, you have no info about that in your sig?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
If those overvolts i measured are correct and common to all boards your real vcore is at ~1.355V. :rolleyes:
With NB speeds below 2200GHz and NB voltages at ~1.3V i see no need to keep vcore and vnb in sync. Is there a bios manual from DFI available? Only have the sapphire descriptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
On the other hand that will shorten the lifetime of the cpu without doing something productive. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Anybody running Vista 64 bit?????
I just gave it a whirl, wouldn't stay up for more then a few minutes without BSOD, not overclocked and overclocked....
Just wondering if anyone else having issues with 64bit Vista.....
LinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
:yepp:Quote:
WD promises for the record "Killer Speed": According to data sheet provides maximum transfer rate of 125 Mbytes / s and the average access time is about 4 milliseconds. . This might make the drives in about as fast as SAS drives with 15,000 min -1.
While you all are sticking your probes into your boxes, can you get a reading off your 12V rail(s). I would like to know how close the VCore is tracking to the 12V source and if compensation is added for rail droop. We can round up these number and know about where it will track based on the 12V DMM reading. Thanks.
For now all I can do is drool until over this massive thread until my board arrives on Wed.
Hi AC,Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaCajun
I measured the rails with 4pin and 8pin connectors.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1453
Cool thanks. It looks like these regs are tight where you are only a few mils over. Interesting enough with the 4Pin droop at load it was slightly higher than the 8Pin at load.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
:welcome: AlabamaCajun good to see some more folks joining the ranks of the D.F.I 790FX-M2R Board:clap: :yepp:
Brother, the Areca is very nice although it's a lot more expensive which I dont feel like paying for a RAID card. Whether it's worth it or not, the extra money isn't just a few %, more like 300%. In a review I saw the one I'd like to order is very fast as well. Im not swapping systems often so it will be fine. I dont mind re-installing Windows or so, but I'd like to get the performance from my Raptors which get ruined by SB600.
Justapost, Im using a TRUE with 130CFM 120mm fan. And thx for the comment about AOD stability test, reduces some time waste:D.
There's no DFI BIOS manual to be found, or I didnt look good enough. Sapphire BIOS manual does it for me for the few questions I have here and there. I know more Voltage might reduce life time although default is already 1.3V. Also keep in mind I dont run the NB < 2200, but AT 2200:).
And another update, Prime for 9hours at 1.2875Vcore and Vnb. Yay, this is going awesome. Getting a bit worried though since Im not used to this amount of succes with Phenom yet. Ill let the PC play some music, browse the internet a little etc to see how it does in idle. Although Im typing this from the PC so first forms of idle testing go well lol.
Rammsteiner: Tech Report has a good article with some serious testing on the VelosiRaptors. Here's the link:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14583
They even gave it an Editors Choice Award, which is pretty impressive coming from TR, IMHO....
They seem pretty pricey to me, but If I had plenty of extra cash I wouldn't mind having one for my system drive! :D
Not sure it would be worth $600 to Raid 0 a pair of them, but if you do I'd sure like to see some benchies.... :p:
Oh, missed the reviews lol. Results look very nice though:).
But Ill save my cash for MOAR SPID0R POWAH!
http://www.techpowerup.com/58365/AMD...ost_Ready.html
:yepp:
2 hours into 1.275Vcore and Vnb Prime... I ran WinAmp for a little hour and browsed the web a litte, took a screenshot and saved it in Wordpad before this Priming. No freeze/BSOD's occured.
Last night I also noticed the decimal Mhz's from HT/NB DO NOT run 1:1. At some point HT was 2000,3 where NB was 2200,1... I know the NB runs at a higher multi though, but that shouldn't result in a +0,2Mhz for HT. (0,3/10)*11=0,33. This is such a little margin we shouldn't even notice what proves for me personally HT/NB speeds have a little latency between them where the little 'waving' HTT might give the HT a higher clock for a very short time than NB.
Anyway, now things go a lot better I can only make the conclusion that my poor Phenom OCing in the beginning was caused by a messed setting in BIOS. Be it Vcore and Vnb not running 1:1 or HT sometimes overspeeding the NB bus, I dont know. Thus far it works!
Yes as Achim said, AOD AutoClock just puts high load on CPU components [found in stability test] and then changes clocks 1MHz HT higher but drops loads, and quickly ramps up the load until it freezes or crashes. Then you can use it to stop at the highest stable clock you found.
If your system does not suffer from the WISE/idle instability issues, then you can use AOD AutoClocks highest stable clock and it should be perfectly stable for use since it tests more CPU components than most other stability testers we use.
If your system does suffer from the WISE/idle instability issues, then no matter what AOD/EVEREST/P95/OCCT/Orthos/Sandra finds as your stable clock, your processor will still be very unstable - hence no point using them for oc stability testing.
Hmm I use the Xigmatec HDT-S1283 with the stock fan (53cfm) and an Xilence Xtreme 74cfm. Those 130cfm fans are hard to get here. Can it be that temps will drop ~10°-15°C if i use an 130CFM fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Thank you for the update, you still use an 13,5 cpu multi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I'm priming at 2.8/2.2GHz with 1.3125V/1.25V since ~6hrs. 0.00625V less on the nb failed after 4 hours, i'll let this prime for at least 20hrs.
There are still a few HT settings i did not yet play with. I tried different CPU-HT Gap values with no luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Thanks tye,Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
So you'd say AOD stability testing is as reliable as prime95?
Im not entirely sure anymore if the fan was 130CFM or the metric one...
It makes about 30~35dB(A) noise for 120mm fan. So if 130CFM sound reasonable, then it's 130CFM:ROTF:. But I dont know by how much your temps will drop with a better fan.
Im still on 13.5multi yes. I keep everything except Vcore and Vnb as it is.
Thx for the little better input about AOD stability test KTE. In that case Ill just leave the PC Prime and do some semi idle stuff. At least it shows a lot more stability now compared to when I just got it. Back then it would almost insta freeze after Prime Small FFT.
Im still under the impression at least Prime95 with Small FFT's is useless. As noted before selecting a test, it stresses L2 and within. I dont know how the CPU works together with the NB, but since Large FFT made Small FFT stable settings almost insta crash I think Large FFT's do test everything and Small doesnt.
Ive some HT settings as well which I ddint try out yet. But I think I read earlier the adjustment gap is useless. The 4 options in the HT-link meny, no clue what it is. And as long as I dont know what it is, actually almost no one, Ill leave it disabled (default). I guess DFI implemented it just to have more :banana::banana::banana::banana: options lol.
Not sure Achim, I'd need to have a setting fully stable before testing both and comparing the two - but AOD test is testing more CPU sections than P95 does, definitely. Also, it fluctuates the load, i.e. ramps it high and low, which is also another good test addition for stability. :)
I have two 12cm +100CFM and two 152CFM Deltas here, use them on my Xig and any cooler I can - they're both very loud at full, nothing I would like to run in normal home builds. You only want to use them if having a fan controller to run them from 5V to 12V as needed, in which case, my GPU fans are always louder at 45% so their noise is drowned in the background.
I've not looked into it much but at work we use these air cleaners and they're rated for 3 set speeds, 1/6-horsepower motor moving 550/702/1044 cubic feet per minute of air through a small section at the front of the box [extremely powerful, cautioned where you point it]. I've thought for a while that they should work very well for when system cooling is needed, even at a specific overheating location (?) :D
Looks nice KTE. Although I'd tighten the heatsink very well before it gets ripped off including half of the mobo lol. Also make some air vent so all the air gets pushed trough the small surface of the heatsink. This might make the air stream even faster too lol.
Just manually stopped Prime for 1.275Vcore and Vnb @ 13.5x200. Ran 6.5 hours, only became 39~40C with 17.5~20C ambient.
I could try even lower Volts, but I already went down 0.075V on both. So I set multiplier at 14 and it's testing now. If this turns out to be stable... Yes, then Im happy with my findings and nothing is lost yet for me. Maybe 3Ghz is on sigh in that case:yepp:. After this 2.8Ghz test Ill try and reduce Vcore and Vnb around 1.2625V or even 1.25V. But I think this is a bit looking too good to be true. If it works, you won't hear me complain though:p:
:) If my prime95 test is finished, I will mount an vacuum cleaner with an funnel on the xigmatec.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://www.abload.de/thumb/vacuummsf.jpg
:rofl: Gained 1°-2°C
Lowest voltages for 2.8Ghz/2.0Ghz
CPU-VID: 1,3125V (Bios) 1,351V (DMM)
NB-VID: 1,15V (Bios) 1,144V (DMM)
CPU-TEMP: 63°C coredamage, 60°C max prime95
Prime Time: 22hrs
Lowest voltages for 2.8Ghz/2.2Ghz
CPU-VID: 1,3125V (Bios) 1,354V (DMM)
NB-VID: 1,15V (Bios) 1,144V (DMM)
CPU-TEMP: 63°-64°C coredamage, 62°C max prime95
Prime Time: 12hrs
I use the following procedure for stability testing.
1. Sandra Memory Latency (that triggers a freeze here very quickly)
2. CoreDamage for a few minutes to see what temps i will get
3. Prime95 together with 3dmark06, to generate a very high power consumption
4. Prime95 longtest
5. Application testing (Surfing, Openoffice, Antivir) for a while.
Lowest voltages for 2.8Ghz/2.4Ghz
1.3125V: passed 1, power off at coredamage
1.325V: passed 1, power off at coredamage
1.35V: passed 1 and 2, failed prime95 immediate
1.3625V: passed 1 and 2, failed prime95 after 3mins
1.3875V: passed 1 and 2,3 power off during prime run after ~30mins.
1.4V: passed 1 and 2,3 failed prime95 after 48mins
1.4125V: passed 1 and 2,3 failed prime95 after 4:50hrs
1.425V: passed 1 and 2,3 failed prime95 after 5:30hrs
Trying with 1.35V CPU-VID
1.35V: prime failed immediate
1.375V: prime failed immediate
Back to 1.3125V CPU-VID
1.4325V: passed 1 and 2,3 failed prime95 after ~9hrs
:coffee:
go get PCmark Vantage, run the full test 90mins or so...passes that its stable ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Great testing there, thanks.
That's the sort of testing which is very interesting and helpfully conclusive. :)
My 740G just booted 9850, randomly -> gotta ask MGR if he'll let a girfriend deliver the system to work now so I can test it at break :D
Well wtf,
This is starting to make zero sense. I passed 1.275V. At that point I decided to go fro 14 multi. But whatever I tried, even adding Volts, it was everything but stable. Played with HT multi, NB multi, nothing.
So I tried previous settings which ran 9h+ and it randomly restarts or BSOD's... The restart makes no sense at all since Ive the auto reset OFF for when a BSOD occures. Also have the shutdown thing in BIOS off at xxC.
I just noticed though I ran this time with unganged where as, IIRC, I previously ran with ganged. Maybe Im an uber n00b and never caught that, but does ganged vs unganged has any effect on stability? At DDR800 mode it is.
Im really considering, how annoying it's starting to get, to throw it all out and plug everything on my DQ6 and see how that goes because this makes no sense.
Ahhh you have just bit the lions tail Sir (Miss? :eek:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
You see, Dear Mr Rammsteiner (Mrs? :D ), everything which doesn't make sense makes sense to Phenom, quite incredible don't you think :p:
YesQuote:
I just noticed though I ran this time with unganged where as, IIRC, I previously ran with ganged. Maybe Im an uber n00b and never caught that, but does ganged vs unganged has any effect on stability?
Is ganged and unganged like single and duel channel?????
i'm sorry i have to bother you with SOME EXTREMELY PLEASING RESULT :yepp: :yepp: :rehab:
The accuracy of the DMM in the range 0.4-4.0V is 1% + 2 Digits (0.002V) so the higher cpu-droop is more likely an error of measurement.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaCajun
ahh, justapost, i have measured vdimm.. at 2,4v bios i got 2,4v dmm at that abandoned capacitor place in between the slots...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Nice Oli, Nice:clap: :clap: ;)
yeah finally i made it.. it also does at lower volts as in your screeny, but unpacking and installing ati drivers seemingly was not stable.. so this is truly no suicide run :D
i think it was the odt pin fine delay option (disabled now) and/or xp vs. vista 64bit..
now trying to go some 3d benching, but aquamark crashed last time.. i'll see..
Thank you for the tip tony but in do not use Vista here. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Thanks Tye,Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
My main goal is to find out if the nb voltage is really total independant from cpu speed and voltage.
Currently it looks like I require higher voltages with 70°C cpu temps than with 60°C. Also the nb starts to fuel the chip at 2.4GHz/1.4V, i get ~3°-4°C higher temps.
Nice, good to see the chip still works. With no chef looking over my shoulder, it's hard to cope with myself here, so may things waiting for reinvestigation.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I'd drop the cpu and nb multi and inspect how far ref HT goes. Then id try to reach 2.8GHz with an 13 or 13,5 cpu multi and an 9x nb multi via small ref HT increasements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
start with 3.6ghz and find what the lowest Voltage you can get it stable with and then work from there with 10mhz at a time :yepp: I am really pretty sure that 1.5v + is not needed at all just be patient and keep in mind that the chip excels at lower voltage as you have seen already:)
Also I still think the best Bios for that Processor is 11/22/07
U use DDR and not DDR2 ram over there? 2.4V :shocked: those GSkill's are normaly rated for 2.1V max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
However thank you for the comparison, seems the difference diminishes with higher voltage.
Congrats to your advance in 6400 overclocking.
no its 2GB corsair 90nm promos ram now.. that'll be not possible with the gskill... :D
@be: yepp i think theres enough room left to spend some lonely saturdays with.. for now i'm pleased (wanted to see and redo that 3,63ghz you showed me :D ) and tired btw ;)
i'll also go outside some cool night and try out some more mhz there.. ;)
Wake up:cord: :cord: :nono: :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Newegg don't have the DFI LanParty UT 790FX-M2R listed anymore :down:
:rofl: sorry bro i'll just drink some more beer and slowly pass off onto my sofa :yepp: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I thought it ran on XP also, there is a 32bit version as well as 64bitQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
sapphire have the same board, remember if you order from the EU you can save the VAT tax if you are in the usa.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
I am glad I didnt wait till next month to order mine.....heh
I just wonder why they pull it from the site...... :shrug:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slagathor
They are discontinuing the 790FX-M2R :(
You can get one Here where I got mine from at MotherboardPro.com .....tell Mike I sent you please or Melissa either or!
Mikes user Name on the Forum = motherboardpro
http://www.motherboardpro.com/DFI-La...ATX-p-404.html
crazy folks at dfi, the best boards live about half a year...
ok, when the sb700's are about to come now, i wouldnt mind :D
Since I have my board a couple of weeks...... I'll just upgrade my CPU, Video card and heatsink..... I won't have the money for awhile anyway. :fact:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Actually I have no idea whats next on the Road Map for DFI/AMD :shrug: Would like to see something with IGP chip for Crossfire X though;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I probably snagged the last one with my RMA. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
So it was YOU. :frag: :explode:Quote:
Originally Posted by vext
They were out when I RMA'ed. So they gave me a refund. Dang it. I wanted that board. Oh well. Perhaps if a new chipset is released with the SB750 and it turns out being PHENOMenal then I'll get one.
My Phenom RMA should get to Newegg tomorrow morning. If I'm really lucky they might get a new one into overnight UPS by tomorrow night. (Luckily I paid overnight when I bought it. They use the same method for shipping the replacement. I should have it by friday at the latest.)
Watch out, they usually die above 2.3v - I've had 3 kits of them. There's no point in feeding ProMOS kits that much voltage since they have an onboard regulator which won't allow more than ~ 2.25v to the MEM ICs and the rest will just get converted to heat ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
DFI ending M2R; well what do you expect. Every other individual runs to RMA at the tiniest problem or disaster they cause, and with very expensive, limited and very time taking projects like this, they're left no other choice. RMAs are very costly to the MFG :shakes:
Ugh, I dont care if things make sense to Phenom, I WANT IT TO MAKE SENSE TO ME:ROTF:.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
How does ganged vs unganged effect stability for DDR800 mode. Is this a general rule or just trial and error?
Oese, you disabled ODT pin fine delay? So what did it really gave you by disabling it? Might try it out as well although I use Micron IC's and that option looks like it stabilizes signals... And Micron doesnt like unstable signals lol.
Justapost, Ill try it when I build everything over on the DFI AGAIN. At least I know it's more likely Ive a crap CPU stepping than that my DFI was broken.
64 bit vs 32 bit OS's... Actually, I dont think it should matter in the end. And besides that, didnt Tony hit 3+Ghz on his with Vista 64? Im nowhere near that:(.
Ill wait a few weeks till after exams and maybe order a new 9850BE, or if it's close to release a 45nm one. I know at some point it's all stable at 2.7Ghz, just got to mess around again and note even more settings as ganged/unganged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
No not only that but the Heatpipe assembly is costly as well and only devout AMD people are buying AMD currently:yepp: So jhust in general its cheaper to pimp the cheaper board. They did the same thing with the DFI X38 don't forget because X48 Board was going to be all the Rage. Also I might add D.F.I or any other manufacture can only build to spec what AMD set forth nothing more and nothing less. The 790FX is AMD's first release partnered up with ATI Merger so lets just look at this as growing pains and expect to see much better with future releases;)
Oh, on a sidenote. Ive one positive result:
I ran my RAM DDR800 3-3-3 with slightly tweaked subtimings, 75ns etc. That's awesome to know:p:.
Ha..Ha .... I have you beat! I have successfully Overclocked my Mind with over a 1000 Hits of LSD @.001ns and my IQ is still 148:up: ...Now thats Awesome to know:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I don't share or understand the sentiments of many onliners i.e. no ones guaranteed any overclock, simple as that. So if you get something good at oc, lucky you but if not, then unlucky you. :p:
2900 or even 2800 stable is not crap compared to 9500/9600/9600BE in the last 3 months. No one should ever follow hype, I've no idea why users do that, typically look to detailed testings if you want to save yourself some pain and not become sheepish in following hyped headlines i.e. expecting 3100-3500 like Tony off your new 9850.
Some got good oc 9850 some got not so good. The lowest are still hitting 2800MHz stable, which for the price relative to B2, is still much better.
Camp, my P35 DFI whipped the trash out of any X38 or X48 I've seen for air, so the rest is not even on the map for me but just market deception apart from decent DDR3 support only ;)
As for the M2R/M2RS, the problems are/were nearly all BIOS not hardware [apart from SB600] but thats what you get if you decide to make things complex, Oskar and the team should know that already - stability is the key or you'll only ever target a few rich extreme customers who have a habit of RMA after intentional damage or when they can't be asked working through minute problems. MSI and GBT failed to add many options DFI had not because they couldn't but because it would make the board so erratic, unstable and unpredictable. They said this many times, so the DFI team needs to test these issues before release better. Their offering only now got good for Phenom and now they've decided to end it :(
Anyway Foxconn is waiting to strike any minute.. has to be good and it comes with SB700 ;)
Hopefully they'll follow up the Mars/Black Ops/Dreadnought boards with a tweakable AM2+ board with SB700. HopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Oh how true that is Tye how true that is indeed:yepp:
I agree in every way with that statement! In the Beginning you could just see D.F.I waving good bye as they drive away in the process of abandoning this Motherboard:shakes: ...I have worked really hard to keep that from happening all of these months by pushing really hard on the Bios front even offering FREE Re-Programming to Beta Testers for Bios Release just knowing that D.F.I watches this forum and they see whats going on in this thread:yepp: I am really grateful that I have managed to instill enough confidence in future owners of this board for them to actually go out and purchase it;) and am equally grateful that I have been able to do so and have the member base grow in the manner it has and have so many positive contributers to this thread and towards AMD's cause:up: Its been allot of Hard work but apparently I have pulled it off and now with B3 here its like Spring Break and the Parties Just getting started :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
NOW......WE will see the kind of Bios Releases that define D.F.I apart from all others!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Now back to Business..........The 4/15/2008 "Beta" Bios is Indeed very stable and a Good Bios! Anyone wishing to try this Beta Release should take confidence in Knowing no Harm will come from it! Just be Mindful that there is Over Volting going on with current Official and Beta Candidates so please tone down the Juice and Test....Test ....Test:clap: :clap: :clap:
Thank you for listening
@ Rammsteiner: disabling ODT pin fine delay gave me 50 real mhz (100ddr) minimum with those rams, virtually at no cost. in fact, i didnt get them to somewhere above 1040 stable with this option enabled, no matter how much vdimm i pushed into them...
to me, it looks like this is some skew option and my corsair ram simply is not compatible to how these things are detremined in the bios..
@ be: of course, igp is nice if thinking about office, but for gaming etc i'll always use a graphics card, especially if the igp would use ram.. i think, for high performance systems an igp does not make sense?
besides, i think its sad that dfi discontinues its high end amd series... i understand perhaps the market volume is too small and there're too many RMAs, but honestly i'd rather pay double the price compared with a gigabyte for all those additional tweaking options... i think that'll be sad if DFI would go away from that philosophie...
Well I will say this again .......The Heatpipe Assembly for the M2R or any other DFI board that has it in the design or spec D.F.I needs to secure Heatpipe Assemblies for that Line up. Yes ? Sounds easy right and nothing to it? Wrong!!!
The Heatpipe Assemblies have to be made to such strict standards so that they are Flat and perfectly in spec from start to Finish just a tiny bit off and you have a worthless pile of unusable :banana::banana::banana::banana::yepp: Now getting a Company to make these with such strict tolerances number one is not easy let alone getting a company to do it a a reasonable price is also a huge challenge too.
So you see I am willing to wager money on this when I say that it is not cost effective to continue to keep Marketing this Board Due to [A:] Lack of AMD Supporters...[B:] Heatpipe Assembly Not being cost effective due to the ammount of or lack of [A:]
KTE, Im aware of OC's not being guaranteed. I planned a Phenom for a long time now but I heard about TLB problem and decided to wait for the fix. The fix is here, saw awesome results and got even more excited as I ordered it.
But since the skt 939 Opteron days I dont expect my single CPU to OC like someone else his in like US. Many people hit 2.9~3Ghz back then, I only got to 2.8Ghz. At some point I thought ít's still as fast as a FX-57 anyway, it's faster than what I paid for... Lets play games.
It's 'frustrating' to see worse OC results than other users get, but in the end the tweaking and tuning is damn awesome, and 2.7Ghz is nothing WR breaking but it will do for 24/7 usage. Besides that, I still think it's possible to get at least close to 2.8Ghz if I test some more.
And I didnt OC'd the NB a lot yet, will try that as well.
As I said, Ill wait a few weeks or even wait for 45nm and buy another one. After all B3 is very young:p:.
Brother, LSD is bad for you:). Only Amphetamine+caffeine mix is good:yepp: :ROTF:. And btw, 75ns was for tRFC btw, not latency test in Everest.
Oese, good to know. I might try it out. Another thing which helps a lot for RAM OC's is setting DRAM Driver Weak Mode to Weak. Although this might be IC depending, it worked very well for me:).
[EDIT]
And if more VOlts dont help to get RAM better try to play around with Drive Strengths as well, they help a lot.
:slobber: :sofa: :bs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
LSD @.001ns:wierd: :bounces: :wierd:
Amphetamine and Caffeine will make you faster though...
Hmmm, real life is comparable to Phenom?
LSD is 'ganged' and makes you faster in brain (synthetic).
Amph+Caf is 'unganged' and makes you faster overal:rofl:.
weak mode is very ic dependend.. same as with ddr1.. which ram do you use??
It's in my sig,
4x 1GB Transcend Axe RAM DDR1066+ with D9GMH's;)
Announcement:........."NEW" D.F.I 790FX-M2R - M2RS / Phenom Thread now open for Business;) http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=185498
@ rammsteiner: lol i see :D
@ be :up:
OK guys, stop licking the AS5 off the heatsinks :rofl:
About the Ganged mode. From looking at the AMD developer feeds, running unganged helps with multiple apps and virtualization where they get to have there own ram controller per channel. Ganged works better for gaming including the new multi threaded games since a lot is shared between the threads. This proved true on one of my 4 thread rendering tools. As for stability I've seen no difference yet.
BTW I got the last MR2 "neener-neener-neener" :hehe:
Post#1561: I can understand :)
Work at it, if I was near ya, I'd come round and test your chip or take it [with your leave] to test in MBs and drop my own off for you to play with meanwhile but.... I'm not near most of you <sigh>
I expect higher 2800MHz or higher fully stable, if not, then something seems like the barrier to me.
Well it turns out that buzzing/screeching noises coming from the PWM inductors wasn't just annoying but a sign that my board was dying.
This is actually the second board that broke on me.
The first board developed the buzzing PWM after about the first week then 2 of the USB ports on the back panels stopped working, so RMAed it.
The second board was working fine I even put a 92mm fan to blow at the PWM and heatsinks on the inductors thinking that the high temperatures were the culprit. This worked fine for a month and then the buzzing came back. Since everything was still working fine I thought it was just an annoyance that I could deal with. Then about a week ago after i updated the BIOS to one of the beta ones I noticed that the vCore was about .2v lower than usual. Thinking nothing of this i just upped the vCore a little to compensate. Then just yesterday i woke up to see my comp crashed I was a little baffled since i have been running my 9850BE at 2.9GHz for about 10 days without a hitch. So I rebooted it wouldn't load windows, fine rested the CMOS (no overclock) and windows booted decided to run BOINC instant crash. Needed to reset CMOS again got back into windows let i idle for about and hour was completely stable then decided to load up p95 as soon as the test started BAM!! crash. Okay that led me to believe the processor had something worng with it so I put my 9500 in loaded up and ran BOINC it ran fine for ~3 hours at stock speeds. So I went to RMA my 9850 thinking it was somehow dying or half dead. Got a new 9850 popped it in and loaded up windows...okay so far so good...try p95... 10 mins later crash. So at that point I was like WTF!! Go and pull out my Gigabyte 790fx-DS5 and put in the the 9850 the it booted and ran BOINC for about and hour. This led me to believe that the PWM had some sh*t wrong with it and got it RMAed today.
Hopefully 3rd times a charm
AC is now officially in the Lan Party :party:
Not uneventfull. The onboard power switch was decapitated in transit. Must had dropped it and ripped the plastic crappy box the mobo sits in. Cardboard and bag works better. Rebuilt the switch, pain in the AS5 with my aging eyes but had to get 2 small gold contacts back onto the contact rails, one spring that was captured by the buzzer magnet back into the switch body and put the black presser thingy into the slot while getting the two gold contacts into their clips. Then replaced the gray cap on the switch to restore the board to new. So it has not caused any problems but I've not tried to use it.
Build went well after moving all the components from the Chenbro to the Armour. The dealing with some annoying wiring hassles and moving video card, the drive cage and fans around a little.
Power connected back switch on and the little LEDs on the board saying lets play. OK hit the power switch fans kick in then idle back a little signaling an instant boot and ready to go to BIOS. Wait, what, pop-fzzzt Oh **** :smoke: look down to see and unwelcome glow and a few small sparks WTF :shocked: Press the front switch, by now smoke is pouring out of the CD area I can see a short in the wiring, system is still booting. Power Off, Power Off, **** Power shuts off for a second and restarts, **** graps PSU switch OFF :( Upon inspecting the scene of the crime I discover the only floppy cable on this PSU that powers my front panel is a roasted spaghetti. What I figured out was when I slid the DVD/CDR in I caught that wire and skinned it on the yellow. The PSU should have shut down but did not have a problem dropping a few amperes into a smoldering wire. After cutting the destroyed wire from the cable I was able to boot, pull in all the drivers and in business. I thought it was the board but saved from disaster I get to see this thing strut this weekend. For the next few days, Ill dig around and maybe bump the hz to 2.6G for some testing. Now I feel the spider power :clap:
Hey bro, what part of AL? We might have to get our heads together and bench sometime, as we seem to be the only ones in this state with AM2+...
AC lucky you... sounds like a real adventure there..
No clocks yet until I can spend more time watching temps and checking everything. So far, I love the board, even more than my P35-DS3P that is just a sweet board. This one is a dream. Actually has a temp diode in the VReg area "S-weet". Compared the the GBT board, the idle temps are 7C cooler even without all my fans put in. BIOS readings were 45-CPU, 52-VR, 37-MOBO/case. I did run a couple of sims last night and did not see any hickups that I saw on occasion with the GBT. Tonight, I'll venture into a few more settings and a little gaming to see where this thing will go. As for the Front Panel (Old Nexus with fan ctrler and temps) it may have bit the dust, not sure if it got -12v through the +5V circuits but the connector was scorched. I'm just ready to see what the Phenom can do on a REAL MOBO!
Lesson learned, don't always expect the PSU to shutdown in a short, not when it can deliver 60 welding AMPs at 12V and not bat a MOSFET. On a cheap PSU it would have either shutdown or popped.
Boards alright Alabama?
:clap: Did almost the same thing a few builds ago, in fact it was my 1st DFI board, the "Expert", Tagan 550 Watt PSU in single rail (Turbo) mode- 55 amps continuous.Quote:
boot and ready to go to BIOS. Wait, what, pop-fzzzt Oh **** look down to see and unwelcome glow and a few small sparks WTF
In my haste to get everything up and running I had attached the Floppy power connector out of alignment, which had connected the 12V rail to ground, I yanked out the power cable quick smart, but still 4" of wires were totally fused together, cut them off attached a new connector using yea old faithful PVC tape, everything worked fine.:up:
Ran all last weekend off Brother Esau's 416 BIOS template, without a glitch, idle temps at 35 load 47, most stressful thing it's done is AVI conversion along with multiple day to day tasks.
Tuesday made one change, I upped the multiplier to 14.5 which is giving me a clock speed of 2.9GHZ, still going strong, temps have gone up by 2 degrees idle, load no change.:D
:yepp: Yes, it was up and rolling after I cleaned up the carnage in the attic over the DVD. Even while these little attempt to convert a 12V wire into a glowing ember the mobo was booting in the great room as nothing was wrong with a fire raging in the attic. Turns out I did exactly what Illogical is talking about, I though I had just skinned a wire but the scorch on the Vantec fan controller between the two grounds is evident of a different crime. Current through the contacts, that skinny wire and the controllers circuit board was likely only a 20 or so AMPs so the PSU just kept feeding it and not seeing it as a short. Nothing worse than having $1000 worth of equipment at the mercy of one stupid mistake. Looking for another fan controller hopefully with a better power connector that I don't have to try and plug in blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Good news all is well AlabamaCajun!Such a simple and "stupid" mistake,that can happen to anyone,but with a such big possible consequences.Good thing your board and PSU are well.What are your thoughts on day-to-day usage with 9850?Did you tried any games yet?I often get that "Phenoms runs soo smooth in games" statement from some of ppl i know.I think that being native quad and keeping all the shared data in the L3 gives Phenom the "edge" in most multicore/thread situations,be it games or daily multitasking.
DFI Noob Fanboy here, love this board http://www.mindspring.com/~alabamacajun/mobogrin.gif.
2.7G, ran folding for 45 mins (never made it past 15 on the GBT). Vcore is still a mystery as I get used to what is up and what is down. Set at 1.2625 in BIOS, Coretemp 1.275, in the health panel of BIOS says 1.24 and 1.31 in SmartGd.
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Originally Posted by AlabamaCajun
Once you go D.F.I brother nothing will ever come close ever again!:up:
Looks like 4/16 beta BIOS gone official.
Posted in the new thread already:) Now if you Gentleman with Phenom CPU's will transfer your act over to the Phenom thread that you all wanted we can get the Party started over there where it belongs. All you fellas with Dual Core CPU's do not hesitate to come over to the new thread every one is welcomed just please remember Phenom Overclocking is much much different then Dual core so we will still help if you need it that is but just remember it is a Phenom thread and there is much Debugging to do on this thing and the threads intent is a Phenom Data Base:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
That didn't go unnoticed :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Ahh found it http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6384475
Oh Oli where art thou??? Hey man don't be bashful we would like to see you again.
Maybe the new thread kinda scared him away...or he's just busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Hi.
first , i will give congratulations for this great post !
Sorry.. my english is not good...
I need a little help whit my OC.
In this moment i have this OC.
have you any advice to go hi ?
Up Vcore and HTT(FSB*) by small steps, and test stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by sea_man
*Wrong name convection for AMD 64 systems, just to help you know between HTT and HT.
Thanks for your replie.Quote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
i reinstall Vista today ( 32b and only the forceware) , i suspect a problem under vistax64 or driver x64.
My temps in idle are:
Cpu : 35 PWmic: 47 Chipset: 47
are good ? or can i go hi ?
Your temps are fine, you should be able to handle 3 GHz if all is stable, make sure you test for stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by sea_man
By the way check out this threadhttp://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=unified. You'll find a lot of good info.:up: :p:
Brother Esau's settings should put you nicely at 2.8 at stock vcore, if you've got a good chip
He is using a 9550, multis are locked.Quote:
Originally Posted by stocius
It's better if you give Load temps; CPU-VID, NB-VID, HT-VID, & MEM-VID, BIOS values.Quote:
Originally Posted by sea_man
:yepp: It is good m8, If it 's stable yes, just go in small steps ;)
Crap, I didn't see thatQuote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
man... i have tried to get my htt above 220 for at least 1-2 weeks... now i cannot even get it above 206 without it crashing lol..
how can i get my multi up higher? :up:
why does stupid AOD reset my vcore everytime i open it? zzzz :down:
I have kinda cheap ram but its still patriot... that wouldnt really limit me under 220 HTT would it?
I have higher vcore for testing purposes... im not worried about my temps :P
http://i28.tinypic.com/fu55ee.jpg
i have a "X files" here.... :confused:
Whit Vista 32b i can OC up to 2.7 ( tested whit 2 hours of Prime and Ortos)
but whit Vista X64 i can`t go over 2.5 ... :shocked:
There are any trouble with X64 and OC in this DFI board ?? :shrug:
Thanks for you replies..
Had none differences between Vista x86/x64 and Server 2008 x64, however I could go up to 2.9 with XP x86 but was not stable at all :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by sea_man
Didn't nothing special, installed Vista x64 at HTT=250, updates, reboot, Catalyst drivers, reboot, all drivers left, reboot, up HTT=255, :woot:
Other's have reported problems with Vista x64 :shrug:
Do the bios for the M2R work on the M2RS also?
Absolutely NOT!!!!!! the M2R has a 7 Phase PWM the M2RS has a 4 Phase PWM........DO NOT Flash the M2R Bios on that Board!Quote:
Originally Posted by JWilson
OK, Thanks :)
extremely nice result as well!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
i'm not at home in the moment, thats why i'm not posting :(
did not manage to bench 3dm06 at > 3550mhz by now.. will try... ;)
Theres my boy Oli;) whats up man and wheres you're Phenom:stick: :sofa: