hey MMaster23 how long did your RMa take, i just sent in my board and ups aid they have recived it today, how long should it take before i get to back?
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hey MMaster23 how long did your RMa take, i just sent in my board and ups aid they have recived it today, how long should it take before i get to back?
Yes, there are a lot of people running the P5E/8000PQ combo. This RAM takes a llot of tweaking to get right. Best I am able to get with mine is 1066 @ 2.1v 5,5,5,15. Price dropped quite a bit since I bought mine too.Quote:
Originally Posted by panfist
Hey guys, ive been reading alot on forums lately, it has be said that running ram 1:1 gives you best performance, currently this is my set up
q6600
p5e(rma in process)
4x1 Cruciall Ballsitix 6400 800mhz 4-4-4-12
8800gt
520 crosair psu
now im running everything stock settings, i have never overclocked, but is it possible to get my memory running 1:1 witout overclocking the cpu becuase i have a stock cooler, or is it possible to run the memory at faster speeds like 8500 1066mzh and get better performance?
DJBUDDY,
Generally speaking your memory speeds effect your system performance very little on a day to day basis. If stability is what you are after, just leave everything at default. If you don't want overclock your processor, you will have to underclock your to your memory. You processor is running at 266MHz x 4 = 1066MHz FSB, so to get your memory in a 1:1 ratio then underclock it so that it equals 266MHz x 2 = 533MHz. At 533MHz you should be able tighten up your timings, but in all honesty it's not worth the effort. By underclocking your memory you will be putting a little less stress on your northbridge, maybe, but you're also losing a significant amount of bandwidth. Any advantage you might get from running in 1:1 you lose due to the fact that you're underclocking your RAM by about 30%.
If you were going to take the time to tweak your board for optimal 1:1 performance, I would lower the multiplier on your processor, and raise the FSB to match your RAM. That way, your processor is still running at it's rated speed, albeit with an overclocked FSB. Still...I doubt this is worth the time for you as the only time you will notice a difference is in synthetic benchmarks.
Making a choice to run in 1:1 is best made at two times in the life of a system:
a.) When you buy it you can plan on buying RAM of the appropriate speed and the tightest latencies you can afford, or
b.) When you're overclocking, if you can somehow find a sweet spot when you're close to maxing your processor's speed and it's convenient to adjust your RAM to put in 1:1.
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Originally from a Tom's Hardware Ultimate RAM Speed Tests
The results must look disappointing for the memory vendors, as the largest performance differences we found amount to 7-8% with DivX and WinRAR, while almost all other benchmarks and applications perform alike: a 1-3% performance delta cannot be noticed at all. Some games showed several per cent performance difference between low-latency high-speed memory and conventional high-latency average speed DIMMs. The synthetic benchmarks on the memory revealed even more differences, but these clearly aren’t very relevant in everyday life.
ok, thank you, how bout tunning a everday system, i see options in bios somtin called transiscion booster and ai twister do these settings effect defualt options for everday use and gaming?
Honestly I have no idea what these settings do, the documentation on them is practically non-existent. When a motherboard manufacturer includes these features they tend to be more like marketing bullcrap than anything actually useful. If they did actually do anything, I would bet that ASUS would be more eager to share exactly what it does and how much it helps. Honestly, the performance difference you will get from turning on transaction booster or ai twister will most likely be less than if you just disable them and overclock your processor by as low as 5%. They probably won't help you in day to day tasks or multitasking, they are just in there to give the motherboard a few extra points in synthetic benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJBUDDY
When it comes to real world performance, core clock speed is king. Increasing your core clock speed nets you the biggest boost by far, and tweaking pretty much any other settings is only worth your time if its a hobby to get as many points in benchmarks as possible.
edit: for gaming, the benefit you get from minor tweaks like transaction booster or twister will really depend on the game, but you're still just better off increasing your core clock speed. that's a proven method to increase your performance.
Don't know what transaction booster does, but the clock twister will lower the "Performance Level" memory option, granting better memory bandwith, albeit, at the potential loss of stability.
and by the way, with 0605, setting my ai clock twister to light, leads me directly to CrashFree bios recovery... i have no clue why.. after i save, that's the first thing i see, and it will just loop until i feed it a bios file. Happened twice (had to try again :P)
BTW, any new biosses for P5E3 WS PRO, or info how to enable internal voltage and temperature sensors on that board?
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Originally Posted by screwtech02
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Originally Posted by antari
You got PM man......:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by antari
Transaction booster sets PL, if you have say PL6 on enable 0, going to enable 1 will give you PL5, enable 2 PL4 and disable 0 would be PL7 ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by De1337
If I run 1:1 at 500 fsb I get PL8, 500FSB with 5:8 I can use PL7.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJBUDDY
With the P5E running your memory at 1:1 does not give best performance!!! Not even close.
If Tom's Whoreware says it then you automatically know it is just nonsense.
I remember when they were spouting years ago How SIS chipsets were better than Intel chipsets. What a fricken joke you couldn't even lock their agp/pci clocks. And tell me how the SIS revolution has stormed the industry. They should be run from the net over there and they would be if people would quit clicking on their site.
WZ
I posted this earlier somewhere in the middle of this thread about 1:1, check under memory:
Link: Intel Overclocking Redefined: Guide to Successful Overclocking with NB Straps in Mind
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The Memory
Current systems use DDR, DDR2, and in the future DDR3 memory. DDR stands for dual data rate. What this means is that the memory transmits data on both ends of the sine curve. For those less mathematically inclined, the result is 2 times the data bandwidth. The number after DDR stands for the generation of memory. Newer generations have the capability of higher speeds than older generations, but are no faster at the same speeds. We will focus on DDR2 memory, since that is what is used the majority of current Intel systems (Q2 07).
Your memory speeds can be tricky. This is because, like the CPU's FSB, it has rated and actual speeds.
For example, DDR2-800, is DDR2 memory rated at 800Mhz. However, that is its rated (Dual Data Rate) speed. The memory is actually only running at 400Mhz, but since data is being read on both peaks of each cycle, its rated speed is doubled.
Memory takes data from the system's hard drive and communicates it to the CPU for execution.
People compare the speed of the memory as a ratio to the CPU's FSB. For this ratio, you use the actual memory speed, not the rated speed.
For example, a CPU with a FSB of 266.66Mhz will be in a 1:1 ratio with memory at 266.66Mhz (DDR2-533)
People are confused (misinformed) as to what ratio is optimal for system performance. When looking at the bandwidth in terms of MB/s, your memory needs to be operating 2 times as fast as the CPU's FSB in order to match the CPU's L2 bandwidth. If you want to calculate your CPU’s or memory’s bandwidth you simply multiply the actual frequency by .016. This will give you the maximum theoretical bandwidth in GB/s.
For Example:
DDR2-800 has an actual speed of 400Mhz. 400Mhz x .016 = 6.4GB/s maximum bandwidth.
So, for optimal settings a CPU with a FSB of 266.66Mhz would want memory running at 533Mhz (DDR2-1066). However, this is highly unlikely that you will have memory that can run in a 2:1 ratio with your FSB. A 1:1 ratio is more often the target ratio as it is easier to reach with most memory.
A more in depth (mathematical) way of explaining the memory and system relationship is as follows:
If you want to calculate FSB bandwidth of a Core 2 Duo you multiply bus frequncy (266.66) times the transfers per clock (4) and the FSB width (64bit or 8 byte).
Therefore, a system with a 266.66Mhz FSB (stock Core 2 Duo) has a FSB bandwidth of:
266.66 x 4 x 8 = 8533.33MB/s
Your memory has a 64bit (8 byte) width and a capability of 2 transfers per clock (DDR).
Therefore, to flood the FSB bandwidth you get:
8533.33MB/s = X Mhz * 2 * 8
8533.33MB/s = X Mhz * 16
533.33Mhz = X
Therefore a memory bus speed of 533.33Mhz or DDR2-1066 will flood the FSB bandwidth.
Memory also has a series of latencies. Latencies are measured in terms of clock cycle delays. In order to understand how the latencies work, you must also understand how the memory reads and writes data.
DDR2 memory is a type of SDRAM. SDRAM stands for Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory. The memory is organized like a matrix or chart, with data arranged in rows and columns. The data is stored in blocks whose location are found by the coordinates of the specific rows and columns. Latencies come from the memory looking for the data in these series of rows and columns. The four most common latencies are:
Column Address Strobe Latency (tCAS / CAS / tCL). This is the number of clock cycles needed to access a specific column of data.
Row Address Strobe (tRCD, RAS). This is the number of clock cycles that it takes for the memory to actually start reading or writing from the time the coordinates of the data are defined.
Row Precharge time (tRP) and is the number of clock cycles needed to end access to one row of memory and open access to the next row of memory.
Active to Precharge Delay (tRAS) and is the number of clock cycles needed to access a specific row of data in the memory between the data request and the pre-charge command.
So what you have are 4 series of latencies. If you didn’t get much of the above paragraph, get this. The lower the latencies the better for system performance. However, lower latencies mean less stability at any given voltage. Common value of latencies are 3-3-3-X, 4-4-4-X, 5-5-5-X. The reason I put X in the last spot is because the latencies in this sport vary greatly, but are most commonly between 4 and 18 clock cycles.
Simply comparing memory latencies with considering the speed at which the memory is running those latencies is silly. This is because the overall latencies in nano-seconds is derived from dividing your total latencies in cycles by how many cycles your RAM can complete in one second. This gives you latencies per operation in seconds.
For example:
DDR2-800 does 800,000,000 cycles per second. Latencies of 4-4-4-12 add up to 24 cycles per operation of latency. Divide 24 cycles of latencies by 800,000,000 cycles and you get 30 nano-seconds worth of latencies per operation. However, DDR2-1000 with latencies of 5-5-5-15 also net you the same 30 nano-seconds of latencies per operation (30 / 1,000,000,000).
However, even though both settings have the same latencies. DDR2-1000 @ 5-5-5-15 is better than DDR2-800 @ 4-4-4-12, this is because DDR2-1000 has more data throughput when compared to DDR2-800.
Now, it is also a common myth that a system will be faster when it is "synced" (i.e. in a 1:1 ratio as apposed to a 5:4 ratio) with the processor. This is simply not true (or there is no substantial evidence to prove that it is true). Most people who will claim this and provide benchmarks are often missing a variable that would explain the difference in performance.
A few quick benchmarks proves this:
FSB = 200
Mutliplier = 9
CPU Speed = 1.8Ghz
@ 1:1 DDR2-400 Memory bandwidth = 3224MB/s
@ 2:3 DDR2-600 Memory bandwidth = 3774MB/s
@ 1:2 DDR2-800 Memory bandwidth = 4047MB/s
For those with the Rampage Bios, there is a new bios dated today on the ASUS FTP site:
401
Reading the the two links below
http://www.ohttp://www.anandtech.com...oc.aspx?i=3208
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...839#post266839
I install a set of Patriot Extreme Performance (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1200 (PC2 9600) 5-5-5-12, 2.3v,
flashed to RF0219, set Vcore to 1.45v, Dram to 2.2v & NB to 1.51, all other voltages to min. After trying dif settings & voltages
for a few hours I couldn't post or make it to Windows without a BSOD or locking up with anything above 1100mhz. Thinking
the ram may not be up to spec I flashed to P5E0107 set Dram to 2.26v, 350fsb ram @ 1120, 8:5 all memory timings auto,
Trans Booster:Auto I'm in Windows looking at Memset w/ a performance level of 7. Back in BIOS I set Mem to 5-5-5-15, Trans
Booster:enabled 2 and back in Windows w/ Memset I got a perf level of 4, I also tried 10x350 1166, 5:3 & 10x360 1153, 8:5.
The 1166 locked up when I started Memset. The perf level 4 was calc'd from the Anandtech review and I've had a set of Corsair
XMS2 6400C4 at 1120 & 1153 same voltage and benched the settings.
Next I tried P5E0605 couldn't get anything above 1100mhz on the ram, After trying things for awhile I end up running 10x355, 1068 3:2
@ 5-5-5-15-3-40-6-3, perf level 5. The odd thing was when the Trans Booster was auto, Memset was showing a perf level of 6.
Setting Trans Booster:enabled 0, I couldn't post, setting disable 0 posted, and had a perf level of 5 in Memset.
Next I set every thing to auto, except voltages and ram at 1066 2:1 posted but crashed so hard it was looking for the CD, turned it
off, pressed F1 set timings from 10x355 w/ Trans Booster:auto, posted with a perf level of 8. Used Memset to check perf level locked up
at 2. Set Trans Booster:enabled 4, no post, enabled 3 post Memset showing a perf level 3.
Also while using the RF BIOS, tried the following:
9X400, ram 1066 4:3 calc'd perf level 6 made it windows, no post perf level 5
7x500, ram 1000 1:1 calc'd perf level 8 no post, in windows @ 9
DRAM Static Read Enabled through out.
Calc's based on CAS 5 timings
Hello guys, does Xeon X3350 works fine on this mobo? anyone tested?
Yes - works fine.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Dyk more :DQuote:
Originally Posted by roman63
i think i have found the correct settings for the kingston hyperx 1066 ram on the p5e. the 512mb sticks are now listed as qualified on the asus website and they are passing my memtest runs with no problems so i put in 2 x 1gb sticks that fail every test on there own with the 512mb sticks as the first pair and so far they are working so going to let them run for a bit and will use memset so see whats going on.
Hey guys, just got my board back from rma thru asus, its a newer revision board, 1.03g, it was brand new, so im happy, it came with bios 203, and im running my crucial ballsitx (6400) at 1066mhz 1:2, without overclocking my cpu and i see no problems yet, should i upgrade to a higher bios or stay with the one thats already loaded on to the board
I think you should update to the latest one to fix bugs. Btw I bought mine last month and it's a 1.03G.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJBUDDY
I'm having trouble getting my 1GB Ballistix DDR2-1066 sticks running stable on this board. I called Crucial and they told me to set timings to 5-5-5-15 and 2.2v and leave everything else on auto, but even if I downclock the ram to DDR2-800 and only using 2x1GB I still get blue screens. Running some cheapo DDR2-667 ram for the past couple days and no issues at all. I flashed my P5E to Rampage 0219 and still no help. Any suggestions?
which bios are you using, im running my ballistix 6400 at 1066 with 5-5-5-15 2.2v without a problem
right now Rampage 0219, before it was whatever shipped with the board, i think 502.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJBUDDY
hello guys
yesterday arrived this motherboard: p5e64 ws pro
with cellshock pc15000 1866 blue kit.
cpu : e8500 (wall 620 on commando liquid cooling)
i assemble all but i had an HUGE problem.
i tryed ram in Single Channel and they both arrived ad 1040 8-8-8-16 with only 1,9v.
on DUAL CHANNEL i cant get 1800!!
i explain better:
i tryed this bios settings: 460 fsb
strap: 333 or 400 is the same, always same problem
ai transation relax 8
dram freq: 1:2 at 18xx
voltage: 1,9v
cpu: safe position
and the system is totaly UNSTABLE.
if i put 460 mhz on FSB with 1,49VNB all ok but if i try more voltage like 1,51 or more boot always fail!!!!!!!
for 470 1,51 is ok but 1,53 fail....
for more then 500 fsb on dual channel motherboard wont boot with any voltage.
the problem is that at 1,49/1,5vNB voltage the system is unstable and give blue screen at windows startup.
on single channel or dual channel but with low ram frequency i can reach 580 fsb....
why i have so much problems in dual channel mode with this motherboard ?
on single channel is all ok.
i tryed to change slots , bios ecc ma nothing.
PLEASE help ME
Over the last couple of months I've tried P5E BIOS's 0107, 0201, 0605 & 0607 along with Rampage BIOS's 0219 & 0308 and three different sets of ram, Corsair DDR2 800, 4-4-4-12, 2.1v, G Skill DDR2 1000, 5-5-5-15, 2.0-2.1v and Patriot DDR2 1200, 5-5-5-12, 2.3v. (Rampage 0308 & P5E 0607 were not tested with the Patriot ram)
Of the three, the G Shills were the most stable across the range of BIOS listed, but the pair I have will not do much over 1066.
Base timings at 1050 as applied by the MB, BIOS 0605, setting 5-5-5-15 only, strap auto. G Skills 5-5-5-15-3-55, Corsairs / Patriots 5-5-5-15-3-42
Base settings E6700 10X350, Patriot ram 2.26v, strap auto, available memory settings 1:1 700, 6:5 840, 5:4 875, 4:3 933, 3:2 1050, 8:5 1120, 5:3 1166 and 2:1 1400.
BIOS 0605 and 0607 would not post with 5:4 and nothing over 1100 on the ram.
BIOS 0107, 0201 and Rampage 0219, 5:4 worked and had no problem at 1120 performance level 5, wouldn't work at performance level 4, at 1166 the Rampage 0219 and P5E 0107 would post but lockup after Windows load or blue screen during load, transaction booster was set to auto. P5E 0201 allowed me to run Memset and set a performance level of 4, I then ran Everest memory bench, completed, then tried Aquamark 3 and crashed to BIOS. I'm now running 10x355 vcore 1.394 from CPU-Z load/idle Pencil mod, NB 1.43, dram 2.12v, memory 8:5 1136, 5-5-5-15-3-40, performance level 5. Ran 3d Marks 01-06 and the one hour OCCT test without problems. The Corsairs had no problem at 1120, P5E 0107 and Rampage 0219 but needed 2.26v to do it, a little much.
The only other thing I noticed about P5E 0201 was that after playing around awhile my system temps were cooler 33c, 35c normal with P5E 0605 and Rampage 0219, checking my video card, idle 44c, normally idles at 47c, room temp and core temps were the same. Looks like I'm going to move to a Q6700 instead of a E8400.
Any know issue with these mobos dying?
i got one on friday, set it up and while installing windows (non OCed) it blue screened, then when i reset i asked me to recover the bios, did that few times and after each reset it asked again. When i shut it down it wouldn boot anymore, i left the battery out over night and in the morrning it wasnt booting, when i took out the ram it was beeping for it but not when i took out the vga card. I ofcourse tried different sticks and different kind and nothing.
I did already exchange the mobo (btw new rev 1.03GA??) and i didnt plug it in yet. I am just asking and concerned cause i use a Hipoint raid card and i wonder if it had any affect on the mobo death (which i doubt, i know another user in the forum uses simular combo), or was it just the mobo. Although the raid card and all my other parts work fine in my Gigabyte P35-DS3P, well not fine but 133% when OCed :)
How do you measure NB temps on my board? [P5E with Rampage BIOS]
You can't mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottath
Obviousally - as there is no sensor - but what about for a external thing?
you could buy something like this that has temperature sensors, i got this one and its pretty wickedQuote:
Originally Posted by scottath
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/ac...01_detail.html
one thing though, i see alot off ppl on the forums that whine about high NB/SB temps on any mobo "omg my NB is 55c" and such (actualy all temps not just those, HDDs etc), lot of stuff is blown out of porpotin now days about temperatures. I work for a IT company and we get Intels DQ35JO mobos, we used to get DQ965, and i even have a couple. Mobos like that have their NB and SB going over 70-80c in bios while doing nothing, we have alooooooooot of such computers and also Dells and HPs, and they run 24/7 forever without problems. while most ppl here would have already freaked out about those temps and stuck fans or something on the heat sinks.
Basicly dont worry about those temps too much, the cooling on the P5E isnt bad, and if you are having any problems it is most likely not NB/SB temperature related
Just spotted a new BIOS on ASUS ftp server, it can be found here:
BIOS 0702 download
I'm not sure if this is BETA or offical - so use at your own risk
Running it now. I haven't seen any fix's on memory dividers and I still can't hit 450fsb no matter what voltages I use.
I've been getting random bsod's since putting it on last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by mu||et
ASUS will be releasing P5E Deluxe soon. X48 mobo based on DDR2. Layout wise it's exactly the same as P5E X38. Might be rebranded Rampage Formula, just like P5E, a rebranded Maximus Formula.
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx...11&l3=640&l4=0
http://pic.xfastest.com/sxs112/ASUS/...r/P5165119.jpg
Maybe P5E users can flash their BIOS to P5E Deluxe?
I just flashed my bios but now my vista x64 only shows I have 3000 physical memory but bios and system properties shows I have 4GB. We have same memory did this happen to you? I didn't clear cmos, should I do that? or reverting back to 605?Quote:
Originally Posted by mu||et
Thanks
edit: reverted back to bios 605 and same problem now.. can't remember if it was always at 3000 physical or not. Dxdiag shows I have 3gb.. :/
I flashed to 0702 from 0607 and Vista x64 still can detect 4GB. No probs and all my BIOS settings are intact. Did you enable memory remap feature in BIOS? Why not try starting windows with one stick(2Gb) and then with two sticks(4GB).Quote:
Originally Posted by v4npro
I did. Remap is enabled by default, i tried disabling it then enabling it again. I also tried using 1 stick of ram (2gb) and it shows 2gb in bios, windows, and in task manager ~2000 physical memory. When I add the other 2gb stick, shows 4gb in bios, and when I right click Computer--> Properties shows 4gb, but task manager physical memory ~3000 mb. :/ I don't know if this means something, but in Dxdiag it shows I have 3GB but for my video memory on my crossfire 3870 setup shows I have 1.7 gb. when I should have 1gb.
Here's a picture: http://tinyurl.com/69tnpc
** FIXED **
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Originally Posted by wyemarn
well there is already a bios for download on their site if anyone wants to try :)
That board looks dead identical to the normal P5E - Probably just a "pay more for a better bios" again
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Originally Posted by scottath
it must be, i would flash it if my first p5e that i got last week didn't die right away while installing windows totaly stock and no OC, i cant play around with the replacment since i need it for work and actualy didnt even set it up yet.
Anyone flashed their P5E to Maximus or Rampage Formula bios? Any advantages after the flash? I have done Vdroop mod and is it safe if I flashed to Rampage Formula bios?
Its safe , i flashed rampage bios ( did also vdrop mod )
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179580
Hi guys,
Anyone know what bios the board is shipping with at the moment? I want to build a new system with a Wolfdale 45nm and don't want to be in the situation of having to buy another cpu.
The information is poor :( .. many users will be forced to go with 45nm ready x48s I guess . :(
I got mine P5E last month and it comes with BIOS 0403 if I'm not mistaken. Board revision is 1.03G. Why not confirm with the vendor before shipping?Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyuk32
hello ,
cant get my p5e ( bios 0502 ) stable beyond 500-510fsb - my cpu don't hold me back (i think) e8200 and not even my rams to ( 2X1g d9gmh ) is there anyone who play's with his p5e beyond 500++ to show me his bios memory setting ? ( im interesting for the memory settings - subtimings - strap and the other memory options ) i also wanna know whats the max fsb frequency who you guys boot up windows & the max 3d benchable too . :)
BIOS 0702 available from ASUS Support. The only changelog is new CPU support.
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...n-us&model=P5E
i just assembeled a comp with P5E rev 1.03GA and bios on it was 0502Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyuk32
Need some assistance with p5e and Q9550 Yorkie. Max FSB I can hit is 433. Beyond that, no boot, and that's at 5:6 divider. I can't post at all with 1:1. Tried Bios 702 and 605, same result.
I just flashed my P5E to Rampage Formula 0403 BIOS. A whole lot of tweaking features are unlocked now and almost the whole range of voltages can be read with Rampage BIOS. Very impressive. Thumbs down for ASUS for locking the features on P5E BIOS. I seriously recommend everyone to try this to unleash the full potential of their P5E board.
According top your sig your are running at 3.2ghz :rofl:
So why don't you show us how incredibly high you can clock now with the Rampage bios and show us some P5E bios to rampage bios comparisons in the benches. You know, wow us with maybe a 3.4ghz oc now.
I run my wolfdale every day of the week at 4.5 ghz. and that is on the P5E bios 601 which I believe has been the best thus far. So put your numbersd up and let us see this great difference your bios change made......
WZ
3.2 is the max I would want to go with my Q6600 because anything higher requires more than 1.35V and my temps are hitting 60s at 3.2Ghz because i prefer low noise. Overclocking wise, I think my Q6600 is limiting me because I got the L804 batch with 1.325V which are proven bad clockers. I don't think even with Rampage BIOS my overclocking will improve. The only thing worth mentioning is the amount of tweaking options and voltage reading ability which is locked by the P5E bios. After flashing to Rampage bios, you can fine tune a lot of tweaking options and have the ability to monitor NB, SB, PLL, VTT, DIMM voltages. It's still a X38 board but with a wonderful BIOS. Too bad ASUS paired a wonderful board with a crippled BIOS. P5E with Rampage BIOS would make it perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeldZilla
Na thats not correct mate. Those readings you are seeing for NB, SB ect are false. The P5E has those sensors removed (making it cheaper than the Maximums), so what you are seeing with the rampage bios is not correct, so don't make descions based off that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyemarn
I am @ 3.4 now with my X3350 @ 1.250Vcore but at 440 I run into trouble.
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Originally Posted by necron66
Is that 100% tested and correct?
I see that the P5E are missing the external sensors, but actualy how can they remove sensors out of the winbound chips that do it
wyemarn> can you test that out by changing values in bios and see if the changes?
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Originally Posted by necron66
Temp readings for NB and SB is availabe but they are not correct because sensor is missing. I'm not sure about voltage readings though. I'll try changing those values and report back. Everest can display all the voltage readings too with Rampage bios. I'll try changing the voltages and report back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
The only 1 had tested with DMM is vDIMM, and what it said in the Rampage bios for vDIMM was way under what I had set in the bios and what in reality the overvolt gave me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
I guess they can't remove the sensors out of the winbond chip, but they can excluse to put the other end of the sensor on, if thats how it works.
I'm happy to load up a Rampage bios and measure things like NB, SB, VTT ect and make a comparision if you want to provide a nice detailed picture of the read points.
I like bios 0702 :up:
0702 bios made my computer not boot. i got no video signal. i unpluged the power from the wall, took out the bios battery, triggered the switch, left its for 10mins, booted up, no video signal.
took my pc8500 ram out, put in my bro's pc6400 ram, it booted up fine, lowered the ram speed. put my crucials ballistix back in, its all working fine again.
asus, how about fix the ram problem already!! it was running at 500 5-5-5-15 when it wasn't booting. its meant to run at 533 5-5-5-15. its now running at 445mhz until u fix the dam problem thats been around for so long...:down:
Same here, just get a blank screen when powering up.. and I don't have any other ram :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by aiya_au
Any ideas?
Problem solved.. I upgraded to a Gigabyte X48-DS5, what a pleasure their @bios is to use.. anyway good luck chaps.
I was thinking of a X48-DQ6. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
Yeah wyemarn those p5e bios' are just terrible!!!!
Here is my Q6600 with
This was bios 502, which by the way works great with a Q6600. You need also to improve your cooling cuz with excellent cooling you can throw the volts at your Q6600 with no problems
This 6600 of mine has bewen getting around 1.6 now for 8 months with no problems
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lla/sp32x4.jpg
Ans we al know how terrible the P5E is with it's memory dividers!!! YUCK............
Then why do mine work so well????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??
5:6
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../5by606hot.jpg
4:5
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../4by506hot.jpg
3:4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../3by406hot.jpg
OK, how about a little 2:3 action?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../2by306hot.jpg
The P5E is the absolute best board I have used to date!!! I have a couple of them.
One for my Q6600 and one for my E8400. These boards are followed closely by my P5KE wifi which
rocks with yet another E8400 but, the P5E just crushes it clock for clock. Oh and My P5N-e runs a e6300 easily at 475fsb daily on air.
These boards all have one common ingredient. All my system run G.Skill 6400 HZ That's right I have 12 sticks here in the room
I have 2 that are not in use as a back up in case a couple die. As you can see from the posted pic G.Skill HZ clocks to beat hell!!
Now quit whining about this board people, the board is NOT the problem........
Oh and here is a shot with the board and the E8400 Now with the E8400 bios 601 is the absolute best and the only one I will use and I have tried them all!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dZilla/pie.jpg
And for you guys limited to low fsb such as say 414 or there abouts .with the G.Skill you can help compensate for your low bus by really dividing
UP!! your memory. like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...killdammit.jpg
That's right DDR1325!!! Alright now get the right cooling going and the right memory and the right attitude!!
WZ
You should have done some research before you posted. Its not the board thats the problem, its the bios. people that run PC8500 ram (not PC6400 like you are running) with ANY bios can't run it stable at stock settings. we can't POST, get BSOD's inside windows etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeldZilla
whats the point of spending all this money getting high performance ram when it needs to be clocked down just to be stable. this problem has been around for ages and ASUS havn't done anything to fix it. The ram problem only exists for bios' after 0207 (i think), so people with older cpu's are fine, but if you have later cpu's that need a later bios to recognise it and you have PC8500 ram, then your out of luck until ASUS decides to fix it :down:
Bah bloody crazy cool has to be dismantled for a decent cooler and the only other difference is triple bios versus quad bios.. save yourself a few bucks and some fiddling aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by necron66
No it's not the problem, it's their pathetic bios.. but as I said, no problems whatsoever with the Gigabyte.. ahhh stability, it's good to have you back! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeldZilla
You should have done the research first then you would have known which memory to buy to go along with this board. glad your happy gf. But 4.05 is do able with about anything
Yeah right, try to keep up, had the board for 6 months but the latest bios borked the memory.. like I said, gone Gigabyte and pretty damn happy about itQuote:
Originally Posted by WeldZilla
Here are the screenshots on the chipset reading capabilities after flashing my P5E to Rampage bios.
Stock volt settings
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...kvoltset-1.jpg
Stock volt readings
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...ckvoltread.jpg
OC volt settings
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n.../ocvoltset.jpg
OC volt readings
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...ocvoltread.jpg
does anyoune have experiences with P5E3 WS PRO 0610 bios?
I had no idea about this issue. So you're saying you can't run 1066 RAM at all with this board?? Any brand of RAM? I was going to get this board. I don't think I will now.Quote:
Originally Posted by aiya_au
Is this a problem with the Rampage Formula too? as that is a similar board or only the P5E?
I suffer from this daily. And I've made so manny posts about it. I have a couple of G.Skill PC8500 kits and a Corsair PC10000 kit, all of which after a crash and the bios resets need to be removed and the PC will only boot of a OCZ PC6400 kit I have. It's gotta be the most anoying thing as it happens 2 or 3 times a day sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by aiya_au
And almost no dividers work for me ( same for my mate), if I'm 425FSB+ I can only boot on the 400 strap which gives me a whole 2 dividers to chose from. Honestly I can't wait till I move away from this board.
Well this is my 1st Asus board, all the others have always been Gigabyte. Crazy cool dismanatling isn't a problem, I had to do it on a P965-DQ6 I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
Any chance someone could reply to my question two posts above please?
Sorry, I cannot answer about rampage formula, but P5E runs without problems with AxeRAM 1066+ (4x1GB 1066MHz 1.90V 5-5-5-18). It runs with no problems with any BIOS I have tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
Well As some of you know I recommend G.Skill 6400 HZ and have for most of this entire thread. But, many of you have ended up with 8500 mem instead.
Thats fine, what is done is done. You need to be able to run what you have.
I've spent the better part of the day testing my P5E with G.Skill 4GBPQ.
Here is the best way to run this memory
If you are limited to 425 fsb or less the run your NB strap at 333 and your Dram frequency on auto. This will put you on the 5:6 divider. Then you can set your timings manually. I just set my settings at 5-5-5-15-6-42-6-6-6 and called it good for all testing
Here is a view of first 415fsb then 425fsb
again NB strap to 333 and Dram Frequency to Auto
As you can see pi and AQMK3 fare pretty well at these settings.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dZilla/415.jpg
I was surprised by the fast pi times
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dZilla/425.jpg
Now on my system once above 425 unless I rammed the Mem voltage to it it was time to go to 1:1
Now above 425 to run stable on the 1:1 you need to set NB strap to auto
and your Dram Frequency to auto. Both of them!!!
You can still however det your timings manually and should.
Again I just stayed at 5-5-5-15-6-42-6-6-6 I also stayed at 2.1 in the bios for mem voltage
Next I ran it at 450fsb with no problems at all
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dZilla/450.jpg
As you can see it moves right along at 450fsb
Next I turned it up to 475fsb and again fast and smooth.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dZilla/475.jpg
So I ran it up to my daily clock of 500 fsb @ 4500mhz to see if it would even boot!! Well boot it did. So I surfed for about an hou. Then I played C0D4 on line staying in the free-for-alls for a little over 2 1/2 hours. Then my son took over and played another 2 hours. Then I spent some time with the neighbor who was wanting some music copied and burned and then agter about 6 hours of running I benched it with out a reboot just to see how it would perform.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lla/8500pi.jpg
Is it as break neck fast as with my 6400hz No but unless you run AQMK3 you would never know it.
Again 425fsb and lower I used the NBstrap to 333 and the Dram frequency to auto. Set your timings manually.
Above 425 I found it best to use auto on the Strp and the Dram frequency again setting the timings manually.
Good luck
WZ
hmm which BIOS does you board use? I haven't read through the whole thread as I don't really have the time to, but are many other people having that problem with 1066 RAM at stock speeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by rozak
It's not a problem, but I'm not going to pay extra money for extra hassle either when they are basically identical boardsQuote:
Originally Posted by necron66
I am having issues with blue screens under load. Games are fine, but when I try to run Folding@Home SMP, after at most 20 minutes I get a crash "A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor ...". I am sure it is not the processor as I'm running it at the same voltage I always have, 1.248-1.256V.
Does anyone else have issues with 8GB of RAM?
Hi, Can i flash a P5E3 X38, to a rampage or anything else?
All BIOSes I tried from 0401 to 0702 are stable with AxeRAM 1066 at the above settings. I had before normal Transcend modules (DDR2-800) which were never stable at their stock ratings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
X38 boards are picky about RAM. They just seem to love Micron D9s (GMH).
What is the sweet spot for overclocking a q6600 with a stock cooler with good temps
Im new to overclocking but i wonder is it possible to run q6600 at 3ghz with safe 24/7 temps, and how do i overclock it
My current set up is
q6600
asus p5e
4x1 800 crucial ballistix
8800gt
520 crosair psu
vista ultimate 64
here are my temps for stock settings in everest
Mb- 31c
Cpu- 30c
core 1- 44c
core 2- 44c
core 3- 45c
core 4- 43c
what options should i change in bios to achive the overclock and what options should i leave alone?
I'm trying to overclock my E8400 with my P5E right now. I'm having issues with the cpu voltage dropping. I tried looking at one of the pencil mods earlier in the thread, but I have no idea where he put the mark on it. Could anyone point me towards one please :). For the record I'm running bios 504 or something like that.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=160849&page=3Quote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
Ok so for the vmod all I have to do is put a pencil mark on the resistor he marked?
E8400 @ 3.915 GHz. This ran stable for a hour on Orthos before I had to stop it. I just can't seem to get over 440 on the FSB even upping the voltages on the NB and other areas. Max temp was 61 C according to real temp (My room is a bit warm due to a heat wave).
I need a check over on the settings I'm using right now:
FSB @ 435
Mem @ 870 5-5-5-18
VCore @ 1.4125 (Drops under load)
CPU PLL Voltage @ 1.56
FSB Terminal Voltage @ 1.38
DRM Voltage @ 2.16
NB Voltage @ 1.47
SB Voltage @ 1.150
LC Enabled
CPU GTL @ .63x
NB GTL @ .67x
SB 1.5V @ 1.6
CD/PCIE spread disabled
Is it true the crayon mod is better then the pencil mod?
Hey Guys,
just wandering if anyone has flashed P5E3 to any x48 ddr3 variants.. namely P5E3 Premium ?
thanks:)
i'm getting some random blue screens in idle with bios 0702.. anyone having the same issue?:confused:
Haven't experienced any idle lockups though I haven't been able to get this x3350 past 3.36Ghz, yet.
Yep, prime stable Q9550 and 0702 bios and still random blue screens and lockups. Just put the Q6600 back in flashed back to 0602.
can u upload bios 0602 to rapidshare or something please? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by lowtcell
SureQuote:
Originally Posted by faria
http://rapidshare.com/files/12276437...-0602.zip.html
I'm testing right now with bios 0601.. see if i get some random blue screens while idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowtcell
Well guys i just dumped my X38DQ6 (dam memory latency and dpc latency problems) for this P5E and so far i am very happy. I have E8400/1066Mhz ram and it booted fine even tho it had an early (0303) bios. Flashed to the 0702 and bumped itup to 3.6Ghz no problems at all rock solid stable and faster/more responsive then the X38DQ6. I have been in the DQ6 forum for a few months so i'm not looking forward to reading this whole thread.
If anyone can post some major tips for the board that i need to be aware of, that would be good.
Also whats the go with flashing the maximus? bios is it worth it?
Oh and my last Asus(P5B-D) didnt have transaction booster. Is it like performance level or static tread on the DQ6??
Granted my P5E has been pretty picky on quite a few settings, its just a matter of learning what it likes and then it just works like a charm, BIOS 502/601 were pretty good for me, BIOS 605 is the one I am currently using and it work pretty damn well. Apart from the somewhat infrequent board squeal I get from some stressed capacitor during Full load, which only happens in certain situations, everything is working great:PQuote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
Im currently using PC2 8500 Crucial Ballistix RAM using the FSB:DRAM ratio of 5:6 so 420Mhz:504Mhz in my case.
The thing I noticed is that in order to run the FSB Strap of 333Mhz with a PL of 7 your NB volts need to be in the 1.51-1.55 volt range.
BIOS Settings:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : AUTO
FSB Frequency : 420
FSB Strap to North Bridge : AUTO (Automatically will set to 333Mhz)
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1008
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 10
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 4
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Disabled
-Relax level 0
CPU Voltage : 1.4875 (CPU is a hog)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.14
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : AUTO
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Enabled
Vanderpool Technology : Enabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep: Disabled
It has now been 6 months since I stuffed my E8400 into the socket on my P5E. I have run it continuously at 4500mhz and higher everyday of the week since. I only run on the 9 multi and as high as 531fsb I have ran 2 x 1 gb sticks of G.Skill 6400 HZ mem. I have run 2 x 2gb sticks of G.Skill's PC 8000PQ
I can only run it 1:1 @ 5-5-5-15 as you see in the post above. I am currently running 4 sticks of the 6400HZ and it runs great on the 5:6 at only 2.06V. This wolfdale has never seen less than 1.54V in the 6 months I have owned it and it has not lost one bit of speed. It runs flawlessly day in and day out. I read in a Rampage thread that this board was inferior. I just found it amusing that the person that wrote it was running a Q6600 at 3200mhz stable ands was so dam proud of it.:rofl:
I ran a Q6600 for quite awhile on this board too and it was stable @430fsb
Well here have a look. Back then I was running 2X1gb of G.Skill 6400HZ I was also running bios 502 back then.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lla/sp32x4.jpg
I now run 601 and have since I installed the Wolfdale 601 works better for it.
Here is today's shot just to let you all know I am still kicking along at my posted daily clock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...illa/valid.jpg
This has been for me the absolute finest motherboard I have ever built a system on since I started this stuff in 1979.
I have a P5Q Pro that will be here tomorrow. I will know more soon how it measures up. It too will be running an E8400 but, it will be air cooled like my P5KE wifi that also runs daily at 4500 mhz ah but that is in another thread....
Kepp tweeking them feelas the power is there. I have done no mods of any kind to this board. I never found them necessary.
WZ
Great to hear WeldZilla
Good: Currently, running Q6600 437x8 prime stable on bios 602. Will run 437x9 also, but needs too much vcore for air. 2x2GB G-Skill DDR2-1000PQ @ 524.
Bad: Q9550 430x8 and 430x9 is prime stable (4+ hours) but I get lockups and reboots out of the blue even with RAM at 1:1. Tried bios 605 and 702, neither fixed the issues. 602 gives me a "unknown CPU type" message.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lowtcell
With BIOS 605 try higher memory voltages and/or losser tFRC, you can also play with the Transaction booster/Ai clock twister settings to find out whats goin on with RAM stability.