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02-27-2006, 12:14 PM
zenzog

Does anyone have problems booting with a high HTT on a divider?
I'm using an Opty 165 with some 2x1gb G.SKILL ZX.
My comp will boot at 1:1 @ 260 @ cas3 but will not boot at 166:200 on otherwise the same settings.

This kinda stinks because I only have a 9x mult. :(
Anyone have any advice?
02-27-2006, 06:34 PM
BUNGL3

Nice job Side Effect !!
This ram wouldnt run stable with any bios but this one. I tried all your other TCCD versions but this is the one ! :toast: :banana: :woot:

AMD A64 3200+ @ 2.66
MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum
PDP Patriot XBLK PC3200 @ 221Mhz 2-5-3-2
BFG 6800 Ultra
WD Raptor 74Gig
02-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Neller

I have this problem with MSI K8N (v7025). When I OCed yesterday I go up to 336FSB (HTT 3x), but this morning I started PC only with 320FSB.
My frien told me, I have COLD start bug.

I want run on 8*336 stable! What I have to do, if I started PC with 336FSB?
02-28-2006, 04:12 AM
Nossie

edit: nvm
02-28-2006, 06:06 AM
Gnarr

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenzog

Does anyone have problems booting with a high HTT on a divider?
I'm using an Opty 165 with some 2x1gb G.SKILL ZX.
My comp will boot at 1:1 @ 260 @ cas3 but will not boot at 166:200 on otherwise the same settings.

This kinda stinks because I only have a 9x mult. :(
Anyone have any advice?

wow.. you got almost identical setup to mine ;)

My Winnie 3000+ had a big problem with 133:200 divider.

have you tried 133:200 ?

If you can reach 2.8-3GHz you could try these settings. There's a chance your motherboard will handle it if you up the AGP voltage just a little:

FSB = 310-333
CPU multi = 9
Mem div 133:200 (actually it will be 9:14)
HTT multi = 3

Then you will be running your cpu @ 2790-2997MHz, your memory @ 199-214 MHz Cas 2-3-2-5 and your FSB @ 930-999.

second thoughts..
150:200 div not working either?
02-28-2006, 06:30 AM
Neller

Question: what is 183 divider and 150 divider?

I see this setting/word on description MODDED BIOS.

Can you answer me pls?

ps: I used some MODDEd BIOS and try OC-now I am testing CPU on 9*312 with 1,5V+5% (real about 1,52V....CPU-Z)
02-28-2006, 10:05 AM
Nossie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neller

Question: what is 183 divider and 150 divider?

I see this setting/word on description MODDED BIOS.

those are memory dividers. so if you use something like 10 * 300HTT = 3000mhz and memory divider @ 150, then your memory will run at 220mhz.
02-28-2006, 10:59 AM
zenzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnarr

wow.. you got almost identical setup to mine ;)

My Winnie 3000+ had a big problem with 133:200 divider.

have you tried 133:200 ?

If you can reach 2.8-3GHz you could try these settings. There's a chance your motherboard will handle it if you up the AGP voltage just a little:

FSB = 310-333
CPU multi = 9
Mem div 133:200 (actually it will be 9:14)
HTT multi = 3

Then you will be running your cpu @ 2790-2997MHz, your memory @ 199-214 MHz Cas 2-3-2-5 and your FSB @ 930-999.

second thoughts..
150:200 div not working either?

Thanks for the input.
I have tried 133:200 and I can clock a little bit higher than before, but not past 280HTT. 166:200 gets me to about 230 and 1:1 lets me hit 240 (cas2.5) or 260 (cas3)

I'm wondering what to blame...

I will try the other memory slots I guess... when I get some free time. :)
My AGP voltage is at 1.65 btw.
02-28-2006, 05:27 PM
zenzog

Tried the other memory slots.. still can't boot with a 166:200 divider past 230. 150 and 133 also behave similarly.
02-28-2006, 10:26 PM
blade148

just to throw a spanner in the works ... but what BIOS are yuo using ...?
03-01-2006, 12:24 AM
zenzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade148

just to throw a spanner in the works ... but what BIOS are yuo using ...?

1.c standard modded by SE
03-01-2006, 12:26 AM
Neller

I used BIOS: 1.B Rev2 TCCD Edition by Sideeffect

I run now at 2,8GHz but I have problem with my DDR550 Mushkin TCCD(?)

In revies on WEB this memory run 600+MHz, but my run only about 580. Now I go on 510MHz with better letence.

I have to try next BIOS:-)
03-01-2006, 03:08 AM
e-jump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike6969

So noone can tell me where i can download the 1.c bios???

u probably missed this post
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3923

btw, new 1c bios also a no go
my winnie cant push the rams beyond ddr510 :(
i'll juz stick to ddr500 with 3-4-3-8 1T then :cool:
03-01-2006, 07:10 AM
Losphoron

sideefect had a post a page ago that have also the direct links to this bios .. :)
What AGP voltage your recommned for an X850 pro
03-01-2006, 08:27 AM
Gnarr

I can't get the 183:200 divider to work on my system :( Ain't the Opty 165 supposed to support 150 and 183 div's ?
03-01-2006, 10:54 AM
zenzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnarr

I can't get the 183:200 divider to work on my system :( Ain't the Opty 165 supposed to support 150 and 183 div's ?

I think it's the board that has divider support, not the cpu...
But yeah, those dividers are even more unstable if I try using them. :(

I wonder if one of the other BIOSes would be better.. I just got the opty and flashed 1.c when I popped it in.
03-01-2006, 01:31 PM
rui

Core voltage

Hi to all.
I have a MSI K8N Neo2 board that i just bought (AGP card..), and when messing with the core voltage, i can't stick a value to it when going above 1.4. For example, when i choose Core CPU Vid of 1.2 until 1.4, the values stick, with a little flutuation.
But when going above 1.4, the core voltage just keeps at 1.37~1.39.
Only when choosing the percentual values in the bios i can increase the core voltage up to a limit of 1.57~1.6

Is this normal?

Thank you all
03-01-2006, 02:58 PM
Neller

In whitch program Can I see BIOS setting? I dont flash BIOS and see setting in A64tweaker. I Want see performance BIOS before Flashing.
03-01-2006, 03:33 PM
sideeffect

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section
03-01-2006, 10:45 PM
zenzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section

Thanks, SE!
Hopefully this solves my problem, but I don't think I can be very optimistic. :(
03-01-2006, 11:57 PM
Gnarr

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section

Are the 183 and 150 Dividers added by you guys? or was it added by MSI?

Ain't I right that the cpu has to support the divider in order for it to work?
And if so; does the Opteron 165 have those dividers?

Ps. Your site seemst to be down again :(
03-02-2006, 12:30 AM
e-jump

you guys got issues with 183 deviders?
my winnie is fine with it.. [never tested 150 tho]
tested with memtest n superPi.. htt280, ddr504
but still, i prefer 1:1...
03-02-2006, 12:36 AM
zenzog

The "HyPeR-XT Bios Ver. 1.1" bios was even more unstable for me as far as dividers go. So, I'm back on SE's modded 1.c standard.
I didn't think to try with 2T timing, so I'm currently experimenting with it!

So far, 280HTT on a 133 divider... hopefully I can keep going!

edit: After crashing again at 285HTT, I FINALLY noticed something. When I was upping the clock in clockgen, my PCI freq went up too! WTF? It looks like the PCI lock doesn't work when I'm using a divider, but it works ok when I'm at 1:1. I'm confused!

edit#2: After playing around with it more, it seems that the 133 divider doesn't cause the PCI clock to change in clockgen. Is there another tool that I can use (that I might already have) to check the PCI freq? If that IS the problem, can I change that in the BIOS? I think SE's mod hides the PCI clock, but... :/

edit#3: Well, even though the PCI clock doesn't change in clockgen, bumping the HTT up even a little bit past 280 (ie: 282) causes my computer to hang instantly

Time to sleep and try again tomorrow.. ;)
03-02-2006, 01:42 AM
rui

Quote:

Originally Posted by rui

Hi to all.
I have a MSI K8N Neo2 board that i just bought (AGP card..), and when messing with the core voltage, i can't stick a value to it when going above 1.4. For example, when i choose Core CPU Vid of 1.2 until 1.4, the values stick, with a little flutuation.
But when going above 1.4, the core voltage just keeps at 1.37~1.39.
Only when choosing the percentual values in the bios i can increase the core voltage up to a limit of 1.57~1.6

Is this normal?

Thank you all

I forgot to mention that i have bios 1.C modded by Sideeffect
03-02-2006, 02:06 AM
e-jump

Quote:

Originally Posted by rui

I forgot to mention that i have bios 1.C modded by Sideeffect

yes its normal, altho i can choose up to 1.45v + the % overvolt
indeed this mobo suffers voltage fluctuation...
oh well, as long it works while i fix my epox ;)

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