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11-12-2008, 03:19 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

That's always been the case an always will be. It's the OC'ers mantra...

"Control The Heat"

Yes, but rightly or wrongly the AMD Fanboi attacks will say that Nehalem at high overclocks produces much more heat than Penryn at high overclocks.
11-12-2008, 03:21 PM
T_Flight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Yes, but rightly or wrongly the AMD Fanboi attacks will say that Nehalem at high overclocks produces much more heat than Penryn at high overclocks.

Well........that's because they will have no performance argument. :D

Edited: OK, sorry, the devil made me do it. LOL
11-12-2008, 03:29 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Yes, but rightly or wrongly the AMD Fanboi attacks will say that Nehalem at high overclocks produces much more heat than Penryn at high overclocks.

I think people have to just plain grow up and understand that what you buy is your choice and based on many factors including cost.
Today you can build a pretty decent AMD based machine for very short money and that has to appeal to many people.
Then the factor of "what your used to"
Like a comfortable pair of shoes, someone whos owed a particular brand knows before building what to expect.
Yes, Nehalem does generate more heat than Penryn.
I have the following and all essentially with the same cooling,(True w/120mm fan) :
Q6600(65nm kentsfield)@3600: 50C @100% load
Harpertown(dual socket Penryn)@3600;51C@100% load
Nehalem i7-965@3733;60C@100% load
11-12-2008, 06:50 PM
GAR

Does anyone know a good way to check if a cpu is flat, my heatsink is not making good contact and i believe its my cpu, i have tried re seating about 10 times, i cannot get full contact.
11-12-2008, 07:28 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by GAR

Does anyone know a good way to check if a cpu is flat, my heatsink is not making good contact and i believe its my cpu, i have tried re seating about 10 times, i cannot get full contact.

Razer blade?
11-12-2008, 07:53 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Their new line of attack will be the heat levels generated on high overclocks.

Yup, I know you're right:up:

I've just been laughing and too busy to post lately. Still seeing too much of the same old stuff. Said part for many who are disappointed that Nelly is kicking @$$ is lame. Geeks (real ones) don't care if AMD or Intel is giving them performance.

I just finished a cheap fast AMD system for someone and they're happy! The problem is the competitive nature of Fanbois wanting to be on top. The last two years seems like a nightmare for some folks. Intel being faster doesn't mean AMD sucks:D
11-12-2008, 07:56 PM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Yup, I know you're right:up:

I've just been laughing and too busy to post lately. Still seeing too much of the same old stuff. Said part for many who are disappointed that Nelly is kicking @$$ is lame. Geeks (real ones) don't care if AMD or Intel is giving them performance.

I just finished a cheap fast AMD system for someone and they're happy! The problem is the competitive nature of Fanbois wanting to be on top. The last two years seems like a nightmare for some folks. Intel being faster doesn't mean AMD sucks:D

Exactly.

My current PC at home is an AMD64 3000+ and if Deneb ends up exceeding my performance expectations, may be my next computer purchase, but none of this makes me any more accepting of the madness that many AMD fanbois spew out on a regular basis.
11-12-2008, 07:59 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I think people have to just plain grow up and understand that what you buy is your choice and based on many factors including cost.
Today you can build a pretty decent AMD based machine for very short money and that has to appeal to many people.
Then the factor of "what your used to"
Like a comfortable pair of shoes, someone whos owed a particular brand knows before building what to expect.
Yes, Nehalem does generate more heat than Penryn.
I have the following and all essentially with the same cooling,(True w/120mm fan) :
Q6600(65nm kentsfield)@3600: 50C @100% load
Harpertown(dual socket Penryn)@3600;51C@100% load
Nehalem i7-965@3733;60C@100% load

But I know you well enough that if AMD shipped something Kick-@$$ in 7 months, you'd be on it like a hungry Fat man on a Ham LOL! I almost said horny Sailor on a Filipino Port Of Call (Leave/Liberty) ;)
11-12-2008, 08:07 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Exactly.

My current PC at home is an AMD64 3000+ and if Deneb ends up exceeding my performance expectations, may be my next computer purchase, but none of this makes me any more accepting of the madness that many AMD fanbois spew out on a regular basis.

Me either! I've been the target of many of the AMD Fans. They'll not influence what I buy at all. My wife is still using a 3500+ and fits her needs just fine thank you. It is starting to give the old Fan error with a perfectly need fan on it:up: I'll probably add a cheap 44 or 4600 AMD2 rig to replace it:up: Cost will be the absolute reason why! Make no mistake though, if it were for performance, it will be Intel hands down=P

Oh, I already have an extra 2GB of DDR2.

But If I get a Nelly, she'll get my 8400.
11-12-2008, 08:09 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

But I know you well enough that if AMD shipped something Kick-@$$ is 7 months, you'd be on it like a hungry Fat man on a Ham LOL! I almost said horny Sailor on a Filipino Port Of Call (Leave/Liberty) ;)

Very true. Performance is performance no matter who makes it..
As to the other, unfortunately at 56 the testosterone levels have dropped and now for the first time the "upper" head rules..:rofl:
11-12-2008, 08:15 PM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by GAR

Does anyone know a good way to check if a cpu is flat, my heatsink is not making good contact and i believe its my cpu, i have tried re seating about 10 times, i cannot get full contact.

A Piece of glass and some TIM. That'll let you see through and see if there are highs and lows. Credit goes to the Watercooling forum for that info. That's where I learned it. :)
11-12-2008, 08:47 PM
GAR

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_Flight

A Piece of glass and some TIM. That'll let you see through and see if there are highs and lows. Credit goes to the Watercooling forum for that info. That's where I learned it. :)

Thanks, ill give it a shot, might have to lap it, i suck at lapping tho :shakes:
11-12-2008, 08:49 PM
T_Flight

If your hunting for a piece of glass and don't have any around the house, take a picture off the wall (when the wife is NOT at home! :D ) and take the glass out. Be careful not to bend that kind of glass or you will be in serious trouble when she does get home (it will break easily). Clean it up afterwads and say this when she gets back "Honey, Look what I did...this picture was kinda dusty, so I cleaned it up for you." :yepp: :D
11-12-2008, 08:51 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Me either! I've been the target of many of the AMD Fans. They'll not influence what I buy at all. My wife is still using a 3500+ and fits her needs just fine thank you. It is starting to give the old Fan error with a perfectly need fan on it:up: I'll probably add a cheap 44 or 4600 AMD2 rig to replace it:up: Cost will be the absolute reason why! Make no mistake though, if it were for performance, it will be Intel hands down=P

Oh, I already have an extra 2GB of DDR2.

But If I get a Nelly, she'll get my 8400.

I'm probably going to get an infraction for this, but honestly, who are you talking to? Chad?

You seem to be having a nice little circle session over there, since your flamebaiting hasn't drawn any 'AMD fan' in yet. In fact, I'm amused. I also like how to call Core i7 nelly. How endearing.

I guess, to be on topic: Yay, I'm buying Core i7 next year.
11-12-2008, 08:57 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Well........that's because they will have no performance argument. :D

Edited: OK, sorry, the devil made me do it. LOL

I dont think its a fanboy arguement. I want to hit the same clocks i m hitting with my current rig, but If i cant cool it, and have to down clock it, it might not be that attractive an upgrade for me. Depends what people want to use it for, but the temp variance on this chip will be a bigger deal than it was on penryn.
11-12-2008, 09:01 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by cegras

I also like how to call Core i7 nelly. How endearing.

Call AMD's offerings Shangy or Denny then. :ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
11-12-2008, 09:10 PM
T_Flight

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

I dont think its a fanboy arguement. I want to hit the same clocks i m hitting with my current rig, but If i cant cool it, and have to down clock it, it might not be that attractive an upgrade for me. Depends what people want to use it for, but the temp variance on this chip will be a bigger deal than it was on penryn.

I was kidding. C'mon man. That's why I said "I'm sorry, the Devil made me do it." Just playing around. :D

Now it's starting up again, and I wished I hadn't posted that all.
11-13-2008, 06:03 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I was kidding. C'mon man. That's why I said "I'm sorry, the Devil made me do it." Just playing around. :D

Now it's starting up again, and I wished I hadn't posted that all.

No jokes are allowed until AMD has the perfomance crown :nono:
11-13-2008, 02:24 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Very true. Performance is performance no matter who makes it..
As to the other, unfortunately at 56 the testosterone levels have dropped and now for the first time the "upper" head rules..:rofl:

Oh boy quoted for absolute truth:up: LOL, I remember being called a trader when I bought and built that old 3500+ rig. Early C2D results stopped me from buy a 3800+ that was still $350.00. Funny thing was that in both cases, I was being a CONSUMER.

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Originally Posted by cegras

I'm probably going to get an infraction for this, but honestly, who are you talking to? Chad?

You seem to be having a nice little circle session over there, since your flamebaiting hasn't drawn any 'AMD fan' in yet. In fact, I'm amused. I also like how to call Core i7 nelly. How endearing.

I guess, to be on topic: Yay, I'm buying Core i7 next year.

How and what flamebait? Ask Movieman about the Vacation Rammsteiner drew and warnings to duploxx? Is saying AMD isn't as fast flamebaiting?

I was talking to Movieman and Chad BTW. I've posted about 6 times the last two months. Please check if you don't believe me? Being a consumer first means not giving a Crap about green and black or blue and white boxes LOL!
If I upgrade to Nelly my wife will get my rig's mobo, RAM and Processor. If I build one to save money, she'll get a new cheaper AMD rig. Right now AMD is ahead. Surely you can understand that and nothing circular about it:rofl:. Even my friend's young 12 year old computer Geek son understands that.
11-13-2008, 02:35 PM
cool_case

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

No jokes are allowed until AMD has the perfomance crown :nono:

Long dark winter ahead. More to follow. :D
11-14-2008, 02:19 AM
Ziwro

Hi Everyone ,

I want to buy i920, Asus P6T DLX and OCZ 3*2 OCZ Platinium 1333Mhz ( Because In My Country Only 1 Triple Channel Ram Is Been Sold At The Moment ). So I guess I can reach 20*200 with some good air cooling. But ıf I can set FSB to 200, Ram Mhz goes to 1600Mhz. If i'm not wrong default ram divider of i920 is "8". Some retail photo's of 920 have "6" divider. Does all of retail i920 have a "6" divider and does all of the mobo's support these dividers (Including "6") ? And exactly which dividers does i920 have for memory?
11-14-2008, 02:22 AM
Chri$ch

which dividers?

1:3, 1:4, 1:5, 1:6, 1:7, 1:8 & 1:9 (on Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5)
11-14-2008, 02:34 AM
Ziwro

My mistake, i'm saying Memory Multiplier :)
11-14-2008, 02:41 AM
Chri$ch

http://www.abload.de/img/p1000531kfnf.jpg
11-14-2008, 02:55 AM
Ziwro

So if i can set memory multiplier to 6, i can easily reach 200 x 20 = 4Ghz ( 200 Bclock x 6 Memory Multiplier = 1200Mhz Mem). In that case my 1333Mhz rams doesnt block my overclocking . Is it right ?

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