you may use -E version, but gigabit adapter will not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
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you may use -E version, but gigabit adapter will not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
I tried the P4C800 E Deluxe bios in my P4C800 Deluxe but it didn't work, i can boot and get in the bios but that's the only thing i could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
I read somewhere that it will work if you disable the onboard lan in the bios but i haven't tried that so i'm not sure.
I now use 1021D.004 which is very good but no multipliers,there is a 1021.005 for the P4C800 Deluxe too with mulipliers but they didn't work on my system(i can choose different multipliers but if i save it it's still at 13) but someone here had more more luck,he can choose different multipliers and save them.
i don't care about the LAN, i ll give a try to 1024.001 bios.
HI,Quote:
Originally Posted by leejsmith
can you give some info to mount the XP90 on CT-479
THX
Hi I have 730 on ASUS P4GPL-X
with CM Hyper6 +92mm
Stable 2800mhz 2830 benchable @ 1.65V
I have a question about Vdrop mod on that board,found no info ,about that nowhere:(
Here SuperPI now with crappy ram ,I go with better and post new scores.But please help me with Vdrop mod I'm unstable and it's very bad 0.05v under load
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/7...42832ey.th.jpg
sse2
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/5...22830ne.th.jpg
With TCCD I go down with more than 1 sec @ 1:1 2.5-3-3-x I do it soon :p:
Will these mods work on a Banias chip ?Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
Ryan
Strange...strange...Quote:
Originally Posted by DStealth
1 sec. improvment just changing RAM-chips? Same timings? I find that more than suspect.. same goes for your 3dMark03-score in your "sig".. :nono:
@DStealth: How u managed to get 280 benchable? what hardware configuration, IDE HDD? PCI-E clock ?
His nature score is bugged.Quote:
Originally Posted by TL1000S
What you suspect can't get 1sec improvement from 226 3-3-3-6 to 283 2.5-3-3-6 ???:)))I find that these days when I get Tccd'sQuote:
Originally Posted by TL1000S
@ociFalcon
pata disk :) PCI-e @129 when booting Windows :p:
@wwwww
Yes my nature is buggy:)3D03 - Old result ,but I like it :)Not many scores single XT over 18600p :)Registred ORB
And is there someone ,who can help with Vdrop mod?
I just checked your attached images.. no sign of FSB283 there.. so that's why I thought it was somewhat suspect.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DStealth
Well.. 226 3-3-36 to 283 2.5-3-3-6 would indicate "some" improvements.. yes.. :p:
Nice clockings.. and a good 730 you've got there.. I'm just envious I guess.. :(
I updated ram 3-4-4-8 287mhz ,still no TCCDs .I improve even more.this 730 is crazy proc :banana:
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2...42872fm.th.jpg
But still need Vdrop mod ,so badly :p:
DStealth,Thats one nice 730. My TCC5 at 6-3-3-2 is faster than any memory I have at any setting, Even my hynix el4200 that will run 280fsb at 7-4-4-2.5.
4x512 6-3-3-2 25.6s superpi http://community.webshots.com/photo/...87052438KZofSM
Even 5-2-2-2 pat turbo at 212 will not give me the same number.
You are joking right?.....2880MHz @ 25.6 sec!..... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fordf250
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/D...-Pi_25_png.png
2 x 256MB BH-6 full PAT...... :)
Please can you check with superpi mod 1.4, then we will have ms :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Why do you up your AGP/PCI rates?Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I have with 2896 24.843s but i would be able to get a sec off with higher fsb.
I have a strange problem, i can' get rams to work over 223fsb, tried all sorts of ram. I have tried with my adapter, proc and rams (some TCCD) on my friends board and they did 285 easyly, probaly more, but there was limit by cpu. Then I tried on my board (P4C800-E del, same bios settings) and they didn't even want to boot at 200, booting at 166, and then upping by clockgen, i got to 210.
I tried all sorts of things, tried 4 different boards, 2 P4C800-E del and 2 P4C800 del, different bioses, changed PSU, changed adapter, changed GPU.....
Does anybody have any idea what is the problem. The only thing different was the mobo, and I treid 4 different ones and couldn't get it working. The only other thing, he has Ati GPU, i haven't tried with that, cause kinda sux, no AGP/PCI lock at booting 200.
I got the BIOS reflashed with the 1024.001 BIOS. It still wants to give me ~1.1vCore. Can't change the settings in BIOS. I tried the easy vmod trick to give ~1.55 but that has failed as well.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=39622&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=39623&stc=1
What BIOS should I be using ? And could someone link me ?
Ryan
This was an old bench(7-2005)..........I have other ones BUT at about 3000MHz+ OR lower at 2500 - 2600 MHz with the modded Super-Pi 1.4....... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanY
I ALWAYS bench at over 72MHz AGP........More stability and overclockability............. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Going to try a 1022.003 BIOS flash. Hopefully I don't :banana::banana::banana::banana: anything up again :)
Ryan
f im looking at yout screeneshot i see that you have agp/pci not locked. Did you set to 72/36 in bios.?Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
it's locked, set at 80/40, i think hipro5 said once in an Abit MAX3 ocing guide that it helps, so if card can handle it i set it as high as possible, but over 40 SATA controler doens't want to work well, so it's set to 80/40
if i set it to any value, even 66/33 doesn't help.
Flashed to 1022.003 and still no vCore change avaliable and still defaulting to ~1.1v in BIOS.
I'm starting to wonder if my Banias chip or the CT479 is borked ?
Will try some other mods later on. But atm, it's running at 600Mhz {6*100} with no problems.
Ryan
does anyone know what rail the ct479 draws its power from ? +5v or +12v ?
Hi,
I just post a screen for a friend, F@NOo on HFR ;)
P4C800e-dlx VAGP 1.8V
PM 740 watercooled @1.6V
X800XT@620/600
2x512 Adata BH5 w310
DDR Booster
Hiper type R480
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1427/fnoo7xu.th.jpg
It draws most of it's power via 12Volts.....and stabilizes it at 3.3Volts ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stigggeh
I can't boot with any of them not plugged in so prob all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stigggeh
Really? I only need to up my AGP/PCI rates with PAT on above 300MHz FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
hmm sounds interesting..Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
might have to try that.. :rolleyes:
guys mounted WC on CPU today,... now i dont see any improvements
i made it to get 2800 mhz primestable with 1.52-1.56v, but i cant even run pi 1mb @2830mhz, it just freezes. i talked to some other dothan OCers, they always get reboots or errors in pi/prime if CPU isnt stable. my dothan only has to options : stable or not. if 1mb pi is stable, prime will be, too. i just dunno whats up with this cpu . 2700mhz are prime stable with 1.43v.... ://
well it's well known that water doesnt make much diff on dothan since its only 27w..Quote:
Originally Posted by ociFalcon
so i doubt itll be better than on air tbh
Hi Hipro, I have some old BH-6, I will try to go lower, what Vdimm is that at, there are no mods to my mb yet and the ocz booster doesnt work with the 800-e dlx.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I will try the pci freq change also as this ram will run 6-3-3-2 at 255fsb on 2.8V.
Vdimm was 3.2Volts @ up to 249MHzQuote:
Originally Posted by fordf250
You should do at least Vdroop and VAGP mods....... :)
bbooster works with p4c800-E del
ociFalcon, your cpu seems a lot like my old one :). 2730stable at low voltages but 2800 and up arent.
these chips all seem to have a narrow range of semi-stability and abruptly seem to change from stable to not even posting.
I am stuck at 2568 with my OEM 730. By lowering the multi, I can get my memory to work at FSB speeds in excess of 275MHz so I know that is not the problem. I have tried my P4C800ed and my P4P800ed so thats not the issue. My Dothan just hit a wall at 214x12. Perfectly stable at 214 but wont post at 215 no matter what voltage I give it. Well all of this is nothing new and has been well documented thus far.
My question is this, should I try for a new processor or is 2568MHz an average clock. Looking at wwwww's database, I seem to be on the low end.
So if I do buy a new CPU, should I go for the 740 or 730? They both seem to be about $200. My inital instinct is to go for the 740 but wwwww's database seems to show them clocking lower than the 730's. My P4C800 allows you to change the multi in the BIOS so booting at >200 shouldn't be an issue. What do you guys think?
I have posted about this before, but it won't hurt to repeat..
It seems that many new "Dothan-fans" experience the same disappointing results..
I tried with a 740M which did no better than my 730M..
But are stable at 213x12.. or any other combo (FSBxMP) below 2600Mhz.
1 - one - Hz (FSB) over that and it shuts down during benchmarks.
Many of us seem to take the happy users posting about 2800++ Mhz Dothan ("on stock air!") as the norm..
Also check "Lithan's" many frustrated posts.. and log of fairly expencive purchases (CPU's) in his "quest" for a high clocking Dothan.. :)
I "gave up" after to tries.. but I'm still more than satisfied with the performance of my DOthan's..
TL1000S, that's why i buy my cpus used hehe :P
I had a similar problem -- Check your power connectors. My CT-479 had a lose power connection cable and it pushed in one of the four contacts of the connector going to the power supply, so only 3 of the 4 wires were making contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
You mean the 4 wire floppy connector ?
Ryan
yeah, he means floppy :D
Am i doing something wrong here? I gota p4c800-e delux and a 740. Bios is 1024. CPu voltage is 1.6v. It seems that i can only do 166 x13 for 2.158ghz. Im not stable at 2.2 so i cant post half the time at 200x11. I can do 200 x10 but for some reason my corsair xms ram doesnt like to run at stock timings even at 2.85v. Do i gota enable or disable something to get what everyone else in the world is getting? ive tryed standard and turbo setting, with no hope other then turbo works when my pc3200 ram is running at 166 bus 1:1.
relax memory timings, get the voltage lower, for 2158Mhz you should not need 1.6V
what is your graphic card? if it is ATI, then you should boot at 201FSB and more cause if less, then agp/pci lock does not work.
try with any p4 with 800bus and see if it is nstable, it might be your mobo, i had one of these mobos, that could not do its nominal 200FSB - i had to by the other and the issue solved with the same components. try memory in other pc if you can to be sure mem is OK, and according to the simptoms I would strongly bet it is mobo problem. try booting at 210x9 for example with relaxed timings and see what happens. cheers.
wwwww cooling:
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1295/xp6ud.jpg
Athlon XP stock cooler held down by a 60mm fan with the zalman mounts.
38C idle
52C load
at 2.75Ghz 1.6V
in 32C ambients
When booting to 200FSB, set Memory Acceleration to Auto, when 201FSB, set to Enabled. Also set your Vcore to 1.45V, 1.6V is too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightanole
Tried reseating the floppy connector to no evail {sp?!}. Still only giving me ~1.1vCore. I might remove the whole board and :banana::banana::banana::banana: from the case when I get a chance next week and have a look for cut traces and reaseat everything.
Ryan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
Unless you're reporting this problem on OCAU as well, this problem isn't localized.
Eh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Ryan
Where are the V-Core measuring point at the Asus P4GD1 and Asus P4GPL-X?
As in there's someone on OCAU who has the exact same prob, chip boots only to 1.1V and had to boot at 600MHz for stability (hehe i can do stock speeds at 1.1V :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
Banzai = Uberbanzai ?
It's me haha. No one replied to my thread on OCAU.
Going to pull everything out on Tuesday and give a going over. Then if that fails, buy a new CT479.
Ryan
hipro5, how high did you have vagp set at P4C800-E del, at 1.95?
and what's the deal about vagp if using pci grapihic card, does it have any impact?
I work with 1.99Vagp all the time.......My VGA can handle it too, so I have no problem.......As for the PCI-E, I'll check that as soon as I have the mobo in my own hands...... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
thx for info, bui i din't meen for PCI-E graphic card, PCI graphic card, I am not sure how vagp affect system in that case.
p.s and which graphic card could you recomend, for working in 80mhz freq and that high vagp, and pref for nvidia low cost, some GF2/4
Vagp feeds the Northbridge as well, that's why it does better when you raise it.........Nvidia cards do well with high AGP frequency......My ATI X800XT PE can handle 80MHz AGP and bench as well....... ;)
I can validate flashing a P4C800 Deluxe V2.0 with P4C800-E Deluxe bios, version 1024.001, http://support.asus.com/download/dow...800-E%20Deluxe, which I renamed p4c800e.rom, and used afudos 1.16b with switches to flash the bootblock.Quote:
Originally Posted by audiojunk66
Yes, the onboard LAN must be disabled after POSTing to go any further when using the E bios on a non E P4C800. 1024.001 has full multis and vcore.
This is my second Dothan build. First was using a P4C800E Deluxe, with a 1.86 Dothan. It's running 24/7 at 2425MHZ and 1.5 vcore with twin TCCD's. THis second one was built this morning, flashing a P4C800 Deluxe with the 1024 E version as described above. Running 209X11, PQI TCCD, and 1.5 vcore for 2300 mhz. THat's about it so far, just simple running the fsb up.
Both cpu's seem to be falling a bit short of my expectations. Any tricks I should be using, like a little vagp bump? Both builds are using the stock hsf's, the first has a faster 70MM fan on it though, and I did pick up a Zalman 7000alcu for some cooling goodness for the second one. I'll keep perusing these threads for some more tips, too. I plan on pulling the 1.6 out of my Inspiron 6000, swapping the 1.86 while I'm at it to see if that one scales any better.
These cpu's have amazing math power, but I don't hear too many people talk about memory bandwidth. Going to run a few Sandra benchies and compare it with my 3.2E and Lanparty 875. What sells me on the Dothans are it's low power consumption. My 3.2E and Lanparty 875 consume about 225 watts under load (which it is all the time, I'm a DC freak :cool: ) The Dothan/P4C800E combo uses a scant 88 watts on my watt meter! :banana:
Thanks for any insights anyone may have to get these puppies higher...
Paul
This is my result at SuperPI 1M: 25,531 s
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/846/894hr.th.jpg
And my result at 3D-Mark03: 16322 points with PM 740 and Gainward 6800 Ultra GS
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/750/3d031vh.th.jpg
Mine just keeps getting worse and worse. It randomly resets and it's uptime each time it resets just keeps lowering till it doesn't even get into windows.
Might go check out how much a new CT479 is just incase mine is borked.
Ryan
Did you try to up the CPU voltage by a notch or two? Or performed the vdroop mod?
The Asus MB does not keep the voltage stable enough for high stress OC'ing.
This is exactly the same problem I was having with mine, same mobo, same problem voltage, 1.295 or something. Even my DDR booster wouldn't go any higher than 2.6v. However, mine started acting up immediately after I plugged in a USB hard drive. All the USB went out, which I suspected blew the USB controller (pretty common with these boards from what I hear). After that happened it wouldn't take the overclock at all. It ran at stock speed for a while, then it stopped doing that alltogether. Couldn't even get a post at 400MHz fsb after a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
I replaced the motherboard (with a P4P) and all was fine except I could no longer fit my 7700cu :(. I noticed a few things while dissasembling the rig that you may want to check for:
1) My floppy connector was very loose, and
2) One of the prongs of the four-prong power connector going to the CT479 was jammed in, like one of the male prongs was :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed (npi) when I first plugged it in and pushed the female end going to the PSU in too far to make full contact. I'm not talking about the end that connects to the CT-479, but the end that plugs into the power connector coming from your PSU.
Either of these could have possibly caused a surge when I plugged in the USB device and probably shorted out the board. Just a few things you might want to check out.
It's fixed. I removed the HSF and CT479 and reseated everything.
Now running at 12*160 = 1920Mhz @ 1.6vCore {fluctuates between 1.58 to 1.6 going by CPU-Z.}
Wouldn't mind seeing how far it can go.
Ryan
edit :: Had a bit of a fiddle and have now got it booting at 200*9.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=39883&stc=1
It doesn't seemt to want to go any higher. But already at this speed, it's way faster than my 1.8A @ 2.3G. I'm playing BF2 @ 1024*768 with med sound, EAX, low/med textures and 100% VD. Very happy. Will try vDroop and vDimm mods to see if I can't get some more out of this. I also thought my RAM was :banana::banana::banana::banana:, being TCC4, but it's holding up nice at 200 FSB DC 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.85v. They aren't matched, and both had HS on them, so I don't even know if they are TCC4.
2.5-3-3-7 for TCC4???
geil value ram can do that! :eek:
2.5-2-2-5 should be easy for it,
or 2-3-3-6 if it doesnt mind cl2 ;)
omg banias at 200FSB!!! wtf???
lol yeh, it is pretty strange :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
still though, obviously it's possible
I don't think the RAM modules are pairs. The lowest they want to go is 2.5-3-3-6. I'm happy with that. Wouldn't mind getting a bit more vCore into the Banias to see if I can't break 2G.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
Ryan
Ok, I have just finished building a Dothan rig. I used a P4P800E-Deluxe modo with a P-M 740. I have spent 3 days reading this and other threads looking for tips on the correct bios to get vcore adjustments. Which bios should I be running? I also have some VX I was gonna run but heard that UTT can be tricky. Any tips/suggestions? Sorry if these topics have been covered, but I need info and cannot find it. Thanks.
Intel P4M 1.9GHz 512 400 PGA 478 OEM SL6FJ northwood
now,can anyone please tell me if i need a ct-479+asus mobo or i just slap the cpu on any p4/478 rig? thanks
you need an adapter and asus mobo combo :)
no he doesnt, his is not a pentium m, but a mobile p4, just put it in a normal mobo.
oh.... my fault... i saw it a bit strange, asking for P4 and it had M at the end and had that strange freq. 1.9Ghz...Quote:
Originally Posted by skane
did not read well enough.... :rolleyes:
Unless your going to do a voltage mod to your RAM or get a booster, it's pointless getting UTT as they really only shine above ~3v. IIRC, flashing the P4C800 BIOS onto your board and also flashing the bootblock {/pbnc /n} will give you multi and vCore options. Read first post in this thread to make sure please :) Don't really want to be responsible for a dead motherboard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by b1lk1
Ryan
I have a booster and my ram will run 261MHz @ 2-2-2-5-T1 @ 3.7V. I have heard that the Dothans don't like UTT and am just looking for tips there. I have looked at the first page and there is no mention of the p4p800e deluxe. I have searched 85-90% of this thread and and find no info on the p4p800e deluxe. I have also googled this subject with every form of a question I can muster. I can't see why the bios from the p4c800e deluxe wouldn't work since the 865 is almost the 875's twin, but I really don't want a dead mobo. Anyone else know/try this? Anyone know anywhere else to find any info on this topic?
To Bnc&skane:
Thank You, Both
It's in his sig... he has the booster. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
p-m 3205mhz 1:1 267@2-2-2-5 aircooling
time: 22,969sec
bogi, wich ram were u using and what is that prameter 01?
Gee.........that was POWERFULL M8....... :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogi
Great :toast: . Have you killed one stick with voltage ?
yes, one stick by last 10 min. only 3,67vdimm
now i searche one stick for ln2 bench
after ln2 bench i sell all my dothan/sonoma hardware
i have yonah at home, :D
where did u get Yonah ES? :slobber:, or you jus pretending you do? lol
i pretending good joke
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayk-Freak
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevipiu
:confused: resultats¿?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xevipiu
what's the gain from u-wire over bios on p4p800 se/p4c800?
does it not droop as much as bios?
Cheers
It'll still droop whether you set it in BIOS or do the u-wire mod. You need to do the droop mod to stop it from getting voltage fluctuations.
Ryan
And it only gives you up to 1.55V, where the latest bios gives upu to 1.6V.Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
The trick wire mod can get up to ~1.8v IIRC.
Ryan
I did the u-wire and set the voltage in the BIOS to auto, use Systool to lower voltage when not benching ... CPU doesn't oc any higher on more voltage so the 1.55v works fine... but I did notice on my P4P800-E that when I set the the built in BIOS overclock to 10- 30% the voltage in ASUS Probe reports 1.64v ... I havent verified it with a mm ... thought it might help anyone trying to get just a tad more ..Quote:
Originally Posted by fordf250
Attention all P4GD1 owners: the vdimm mod for this board is now sorted, point your browsers this way
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=1148087
:toast:
I got my rig fully working now, my results in my topic...
If anyone can add me to the Pi and 3DMark lists on Page 1, my current scores are in my sig.
Thanks
How ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Banzai
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31255&stc=1
I did this mod and my vcore would only give me 1.45-1.55Vcore in the bios and when set to 1.55 it was running 1.55.
Hi,
First post! Can anyone help with my startup problem? I'm running a P4GD1 and Dothan which worked very well until I changed the power supply. Now when it boots up, I get a Boot Block Compatible Version message (Asus CrashFree, I think) and am prompted to insert a CD or floppy.
I have tried the following things to narrow down the problem and still get the same error message:
- reverted back to old power supply
- brand new BIOS chip with 1006.
- brand new motherboard (Asus P4GPL-X)
- brand new CT-479
- RAM from another computer
I borrowed a Pentium 4 and it booted up fine. It seems the likely explanation is now a faulty CPU.
It seems strange that a faulty CPU would cause Asus CrashFree to activate. I assume that the CrashFree program runs instructions on the CPU, so surely the CPU can't be completely dead.
Any ideas if there's anything I can try before I buy a new CPU?
Thanks.
this happens to me when the FSB is set too high, tho I guessing you changed to a "better" PSU with your upgrade. Have you tried runnig wit heverything in BIOS at stock?
test your cpu in someone's laptopQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesG
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I'm sitting here with a pile of bits trying to get it to work!
Just tried putting P4 in, setting FSB to 100Mhz, then putting in Dothan. Same problem.
I've already tried setting the BIOS to defaults. It also does the same thing on a brand new P4GPL-X (with the correct bios).
Don't think I know anything with a suitable laptop that would be willing for me to disassemble it.
Any other BIOS settings that might make a difference?
James.
do you have another ct-479 (2nd) available? the adapter might be borked somehow...
Yep, received a new CT-479 in the post today. Made no difference. I really was expecting that to be the problem.
Yeah sounds like it could be CPU problem, tho just to check as cirthix says, try to test CPU independantly before getting a new one. Hope you get somewhere with it!
Sounds like CPU problem since you tried two adapters already. I had the SAME problem right before my CT-479 adapter blew a chip.
Return the CPU and get one of those high clocking 780s. :D
By doing the tricky mod. Look on the first page.Quote:
Originally Posted by fordf250
Ryan
have you damaged the core in any way? chips or cracks?
I don't think so. The chip was working fine for a couple of weeks until I changed the PSU (from Enermax uATX 270W to Seasonic uATX 250W).Quote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
The CPU is pretty much the only thing left to replace though! I just don't understand how the CrashFree utility is able to run if the CPU is dead. I'm not aware of PC motherboards having another CPU just to run BIOS recovery. Obviously if the CPU is out when you power up a board, you just get a blank screen.