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Dide he get any more info on them, codes to look for etc ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Very interesting news you got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
See if those mems are really as good as this Twinmos and if they match the AA4T and 44D/50D.
Nice find. :toast:
wwwwoooowww the week/stepping/Serial marathon begins ...againQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
my new toys just arrived :banana: from overclockers.de
AA4T
04484
happy overclocking :D but only nforce2 board :rolleyes:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22923&stc=1
hmmm this doesn't look like bp pcb (am I wrong???)...
i've asked how much would the shipping be from OC.de to spain, and it's really expensive (around 40€!). For 200€ i can buy some Vx or something like that from USA...
:( Spain usually sucks in hardware :P
No your right...There not BP...Quote:
Originally Posted by pcfreak
EDIT: From what i have read there "Specially designed"
by "Subcontractor's" for twinMOS...
They look like BP though
its definately not JEDEC PCB
I bought a kit from oc.de to, delivery was 30 euro to the Netherlands :S They don't have the Speed Premium anymore :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BeSaiD
i bet it's KO-6633 ... like mine TwinMOS DC kit. :D
in fact, i haven't seen any advantage on BP pcb for UTT chips. please correct me if i'm wrong. :rolleyes:
EDIT: i have look the pics more closely... ko-6633 idd. :)
come on quickly make some test :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskin
ahaaa..
10 1GB pairs came in yesterday.. 3 of them could do 230MHz 2-3-2-5 @ 2.85v. Its kinda bulk order for us here at lowyat.net.
you are right, its KO-6633Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
with cpc on nothing over 225 Fsb is stable, flashed d26 mantaray xt cpc off and got 234 x11 @3.15v,atm.
have to add board has no vdimm=vio mod, only 3.3v rail modded
it's time to buy an a64 and a new dfi board S939 :D
Well I just read 58 pages of this and still have no proof this memory improves over VX. Sure, it is cheaper but then you have the uncertainty factor about what you will get and the fact that there may be more unpredictability on how they perform considering the cheapness of manufacture / binning/ production dates.
There are people scurrying about for these with nforce2 for godsake. Eeks.
If anyone can give me 2-5-2-2 at 300Mhz 1:1 with a 3dmark lobby score then I will change my tune. Then I will know it is the next best thing.
At the moment I think this is just mass hysteria for the sake of $2.50.
:D
Erm where did you get $2.50 from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Your also forgetting that this has changed how some ppl list their memory , like my local supplier.
Another plus is the Twinmoss comes in 256 modules too, so ppl who asked OCZ for 256 and got a 'no plan too' can just get a nice cheap alternative.
Another plus is VX is not readily available to everyone, but twinmoss is.
I think all the input ppl in this thread have given means that anyone can go 'armed when they set out to purchase some UTT. Some companies have exploited the situation, as they always do, but generaly UTT is more then 1/2 half the price of VX and does as good :)
Isn't it this the idea in overclocking: high perf for low $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
I am unsure yet as to whether I will be getting any of these. I will know in a couple of days, but in the meantime, I've already PM'ed him in order to try to get the info off the chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
He also sent me a PM which said that a shipment of Corsairs came in with them as well. It would appear that they are being used by everyone. Should that be the case it will be interesting for the next few months as we test a bunch of value ram.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskin
where you read AA4T???
Very top right of stickker.
The P/n: ends with AA4T
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
thx, tomorrow i will ask, i find them for 76€ for a stick of 512mb....like OEM lol
Not when you spend 3 hours at $X per hour reading a thread it is not, plus possible time having to RMA it coz it is the wrong week even though that is not what RMA is actually for ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Just pointing out the downsides. A lot of these memory threads do end up being the hunt for the Holy Grail, normally encouraged by someone with a non-biased interest.
Then, weeks later, I have to read countless threads saying " Hey, my XXXX memory does not do YYYMhz, do you think my mother is to blame? ..... "
Regards
Victor Meldrew .
:lol: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Maybe your on the wrong type of forums then.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
You should try
www.lameslowassstdhardware.com
or
www. donttrytohelpanyonewithahardwareproblem.com
Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
There is a lot of validity to your point. If you go with the OCZ VX, you have several things going in your favor. You know that they are binned and are touted by the reps here to do a minimum of 240 (A64) and they are warranted up to 3.5v so in effect, you are encouraged to ramp up the juice. For that guarantee, you pay a price premium, just like you pay in almost everything around us.
There is another side to all of this, however. Some people enjoy the hunt for the little gems that are all around us. It is the sport of the hunt that gets the hunter out or the fisherman to brave the elements. Here the object of the hunt is different, but its still a hunt. VX is more like going down to the grocery store and buying a premium steak. You get exactly what you want, you don't have to sweat it and you can enjoy it for what it is...a fine cut of beef. No concerns about whether or not you eat tonight.
The hunter or fishermen doesn't know whether or not he will be coming home with a doe or a trout, but if he does then not only will it be a treat, it will also be a story to be shared...the story of the hunt or of the catch. I think the hunt is just as much fun as the feast.
I believe that there is a certain amount of "Story" to these modules as well, after all...Winbond is back!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Yea but this is what get's me...
(as said by zakelwe)Quote:
If anyone can give me 2-5-2-2 at 300Mhz 1:1 with a 3dmark lobby score then I will change my tune. Then I will know it is the next best thing.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Yea i belive TCCD at those settings(Easy) but...
No Way on VX or any tight super low latency ram(that i know of)
Well (DingDong :banana: )
WTF...Does he think VX will do CAS 2.0@ 300HTT or Mhz
All i can say is...
Get a Clue :stick:
Straight from Mushkin:
Hello,
Sorry for the delay in answering your email; we've been extremely busy lately. We currently are working on a product that uses the Winbond UTT chips. I may take a while to launch a product that uses those chips (a few weeks), if we release the product at all. Extensive testing is required to decide what speed and latencies we can spec the modules at and compare that with the pass percentage.
Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.
That's what it once was, and thank God still is, for some people. Don't let what anyone says get in the way for your hunt for quick, cheap hardware. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
You just know there are companies out there who are pis$ed that TwinMOS is selling 256Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $40 and 512Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $80. :D
yea these things are dirt cheap you can test them find their max before they blow up, then buy new ones or better quality VX.
ya... $40 Rules :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
> $50 :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
anyone knows where to buy this stuff? I've to pay 200€ if i want them...
for that money i could buy Vx at excaliber shipped, but they are not in stock now... :(
I wonder how long these will last (availablity). Any ideas?
No he's where he belongs. A very old and respected member here, just because he don't search for the cheap stuff don't mean he don't know what he's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
I agree with him, your getting what you paid for. $37 for a 256mb stick of ram that may or may not do what OCZ VX does.
On a side note, I picked up a 256mb stick to play with. I have no intentions of it doing 260mhz 1T 2-2-2-6, but who knows maybe i'll get a good one. If not i'll just sell it for less than I paid.
Thats how Xtreme Overclocking works ;)
I don't think we need to jump down anyone's throats. We all have predisposed notions about certain things, whether computer related or not. I think these modules, along with the Kingston, OCZ, Mushkin, Geil and Corsair...just to name a few, offer us great opportunities and fun. Those that want to play...will and those that don't..can just watch.
I do think that if all you want to do is watch, then by all means watch, but without actual first hand experience (specifically with these ICs/modules) you might want to do less judging on their merits and be less critical of the efforts and motives of the others that are playing.
i also have an old (eg 2-3 years) stick of twinmoss. and ive always suspected it of being BH-X.
the way it would run 2-2-2-5 at huge speeds kinda gve it away, coupled with its love for volts, and lack of burning up.
has 2 holes i the middle, and 4 little half moons at edges.
my guess - twinmoss found some more stock of bh5, did a little rebadging, and let it loose. they got a HUGE boost in sales when winbond on twinmoss was available, from people buying for the W. now they do it again. clever people :)
hmm, checking on the newegg page for the 512mb sticks, says ETA is 1/20/05... which is today... i know it used to say 1/22/05... interesting...
um.. jessfm? neither of those links work....
:p
sorry completly wrong, and ive you had read any of the thread at all you would know, not that i blame you, this is one the the biggest threads on XS....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheffy
so to inform you, its winbond UTT, untested chips, maybe based on CH-5 die,
anyways, winbond is producing these now, and they are not only found on twinmos but many other brands of memory as well (ocz for one.)
LOL skip
it was not a dig as such.
Its just sarcsim Victor Meldrew style :)
Thought i would return the joke :D
But:
Overclocking has always been about bang for buck; back in the early days we didn’t have companies that would 'specialise' in certain products.
Now we do, I don't see it as a bad thing, but do pls rem that they do what we have all been doing in this thread. Hit & miss, isolate product. Then the recover their costs (plus a good healthy margin to buffer RMA's) by releasing it.
Yes it does take the guess work out of something’s, yes it does make it ' it does what it says but I feel we have 2 types of OC'r.
Passive & active. I don’t go jumping into threads with 'man why have you purchased that, what a crock of Crp that is, you should just buy X product for Y reason.'
But we active OCers that waste our time were the backbone of most overclocking stores. Who needs who now?
Same theme different ideas. I don’t feel on the wrong or right side. I just choose to play, mod, tinker and probably ultimately kill my hardware, probably the same as some Passive OCers do.
:)
The fact that we are choosing to play, knowing it has its risks sums up pretty much what I was trying to say. There is no right or wrong way to do it, its just a matter of each person choosing the way they want to do it.
I like playing with it and just trying to get the best out of what I've got, whether or not it is the best that is available. After all, it is a hobby we are talking about here.
M209J16A-TT PC-3200. I assume the dash means it's a no go b/c 4 = winbond or is should a letter be there?
That coding is not on the modules or the ICs is it? The one you are displaying appears to be a vendor's generic description. The AA4T that you are looking for is on the paper sticker/label found on the modules on the end opposit the TwinMOS Speed Premium label. The non-Winbond label shows a code ending in AADT, notice the "4" vs the "D".
The winbond modules will also have a digit "4" following the manufacturing date such as 04464 vs 0446D.
My stick is also
AA4T
04484
Just doing some burn in at the moment, 240mhz 2-2-2-5 w/3.4vdimm.
is the stuff newegg has what i want? sorry dont have time to go over the thread, its 2AM and im tired!
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=BA20923Quote:
Originally Posted by BeSaiD
Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
I guess I'm off your Christmas card list ?
If you re-read my original posts you'll see the next thing for me to drool over is faster memory than bh5 / VX is at present and of course this just matches it, at cheaper cost but higher risk. That's all I said, no less, no more.
Unless you have no memory at present or are heavily into benching, rather than overclocking, then I see little point in spending extra money $$ getting memory that will do 2-2-2-5 rather than 2.5-3-3-7 , you are better putting that money to a video card or cpu, because I doubt you will notice $$ difference in game X or application Y.
I do realise though that not going with the crowd I might be laughed at, but the fear of that is not enough to stop me saying what I feel :)
Anyhow, I'll bugger off now and moan about the weather and young people to my mate Grandpa Simpson ....
Regards
Andy
But htey don't ship to Spain (or that's what it seems...)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Still no 44 shown up in the Uk stores. ?
Wed one rather well with the 50 here, but not seen any SP listed.
I've not seen any in the UK, only seen 256MB 50D, has anyone seen any 512MB anywhere that they know is AA4T?
think we got some TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM ...gotta check it...damn 25km driving :D
and cheap too
50$ 256MB
105$ 512
cheap compared ordering etc...
really?in that case, i wont owrry too much then....3.3/3.2Vdimm with BH5's shud be good enuff....Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
btw, u got any official source where i can refer to bout this? :D
you can probably check the booster compatibility thread, im fairly sure its in there...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...z+booster+work
Damn Tedy...I feel for you as you have followed this thread the wholeQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
entire time and have yet got yourself some dimms to test :stick:
Good Luck
I've tested DC, CPC on, not stable with 225 FSB, in SC with one stickin slot 3 running memtest @ 242 x 11 @3.15 vdimm for one our without errors.
(Bios TicTac D26XT)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=23009&stc=1
Well andy, I apoligise for sounding like an A$$ in that post and im sureQuote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
your reasons are valid for not Jumping at this stuff...
Cheers to you for your post and speaking your mind... :toast:
And yes you will get your X-Mas card next year ;)
EDIT: Send me a PM and i will ship my 256 stick to you for testing
and you owe me nothing... :toast: Here is what i got from it...
redskin give it 3.3vdimm
you should reach 250-255
I would give 3.3vdimm but it's not possible because there is no vtt mod, I'm going to do this tomorrow. up to now 3.15 is the max vdimm I can give.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Nice speed :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
You do not have to send me any sticks as I have some 4 on order, I tend to collect RAM like I do nvidia video cards, thanks for the offer though.
Only 300 1:1 2-5-2-2 will get me excited though, that's like Viagra to us old guys with our X year old sticks of bh-5 :D
Regards
Andy
makes sense yeah....
so dual channel 2*512 not stable even 225mhz only at 3.15 ? that's bad :(
well "burn in" them.....fan blowing etc......GL
yo dc not stable at 225, but not munch tested so far, only single channel 242 @ 3.15vdimm with one stick, gonna test the other stick in single channel too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
nforce2 with 2x512 really sucks for me
did burn in already (9 Hours) :D
only comforts me it's you got sucky mobo and me some ownage NF2 one :=)
j/k ::D
Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Thanks Bro...Quote:
You do not have to send me any sticks as I have some 4 on order, I tend to collect RAM like I do nvidia video cards, thanks for the offer though.
I see you have been bitten by the "Bug" Also :cool:
Look forward to seeing your result's(Kinda like Gambleing) :banana:
I do know that if "twinMOS" does what there sayin here then this ram
should be "Flooding"the market so to speak so there isnt any rush to
go and order this stuff...Actually it might payoff to wait and see what
happens...
Cheers,
-Sean
Newegg has the 512 SP back in stock! ----> link
7pm est they only have 2 left in stock. If you want them, NOW is the time.
My 256 isn't doing so hot, with 3.3vdimm I can only manage 245mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.3v memtest stable. However I can bench at 250mhz stable :confused: but it don't pass memtest or super pi.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WesM63
Are you able to give it 3.4-3.6v ? That seems to be the sweet spot for these sticks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scifikg
LMAO.....7:10pm EST and the last 2 sticks are gone. :eek: :D :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Sure can, well I think anywase, I don't know if this board has any OVP or not. I'll try running 3.6v through it and see what happens.
DAMNIT, missed the sticks, got an instock email at 3:37 this afternoon... got home from work at 8:20, and they're gone.. :(
EDIT: haha! things went back in stock at around 9:10, and i got me 2 from newegg! :D
i just did FedEx express saver, 3-4 bussiness days, but newegg doesnt process on weekends, and they need 24-48 hours processing time, so that sounds like next thurday. tis ok, i dont have the rest of the system anyways. :D
well sad to say, I tried max of 3.2vdimm and it didnt get me anywhere with 2*512. I think the AI7 undervolts. freaking thing wouldnt even post if I try even 220 2228 timings. I guess volt modding is really needed for this one.
Well, you are not alone in your woes. I'm in the process of doing a burn in because I wasn't having a ton of luck right out of the box. No DC at 200 with 2-2-2-5 for me, even at 3.2v! (Correction, that should read at 3.3v, not 3.2v).Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
I do have another factor at work for me here besides the ram and that is that this is a new build I'm using to test. The OCZ PC2700 sticks wouldn't boot in DC either, and I'm getting Memtest errors with some TCCD, as well. While these Speed Premiums are doing a burn-in, I'm putting together another rig to help determine if it is the sticks or the rig.
On a side note...so far it appears that those back in stock emails go out just after 6:00 pm EST, so if you are in the market for TMSP, keep checking the stock beggining sometime after 5:00 pm. And keep checking!
I am basing that last comment on observing date/time stamp on the "back in stock" posts made here, as well as over at OCF. May or may not be true, but appears to be the pattern.
some guys @ hardwareluxx.com said , that the UTT's doesnt perform well @ s478 ...
Hipro5 posted decent results on an Intel back on page #5 and another guy, Diablo23RD over at OCF has hit 250 plus with his on an IC7-G/3.2 rig, but yes, most of the better results have been a64 rigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by $ilver
The OCZ VX also works better on A64 so there may be something to that. It is very possible that those same sticks that Diablo hit 250 plus on would do 270 plus on A64 and I do believe that hipro's sticks did better on A64 as well.
i also had no luck running 2x512MB TwinMOS Speed Premium 250 2-2-2-5 @ 3,3 on a P4C800-E PAT enabled while they did 260 2-2-2-5 1T on K8N Neo2 also @ 3,3
I tested my UTT and burned it in on my P4m/IS7e rig @ 260mhz with DDR booster at 3.4v 2,2,5,2 last time round.
Sadly thats gone, so will have to burn in on main rig now.
Do you guys think my 2*512mb set will be stable 2-2-2-5 at 2.75V 200mhz on my intel S478-rig?
I'm still waiting for the Venice-core untill I buy my new AMD-rig but for now I only have a crappy Shuttle barebone-mobo wich is only stable up to at 230mhz fsb (14*230).
not at 2.75 , maybe 2.9 at a push.
*EDIT*
found my sceen of the UTT on IS7e
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/260_3.6v.jpg
Nope probably not, my 2x512 set won't run those speeds even at 3.1V!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
That's a good point in the last paragraph, mine won't be coming soon as I ordered it with a PCie nvidia 6600 card as well which is not due in to 2nd Feb, so by that time there is a better chance that all older stock will be flushed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
I always buy new memory that might have a chance ( I even have some TwinMoS Twister which is still sitting on the side after not performaning well ) , it's just that I don't get very excited easily and you are right, this is a gamble :D
Regards
Andy
Hmm.. where did the posts from a person which had a nickname starting on S gone? He was showing the OC of the Winbond UTT at 2.9v and 2.64v.
mare87 pajo kaj delaš tukaj :)
setyotomo?Quote:
Originally Posted by mare87
Jesus I thought it was oround the 50 - 58 page :D. Thanks Jack.
Setyotomo can you please test max stable fsb in memtest#5 at 2.9v with timing of 2,3,3,6 ?
Off topic: Sem že en cajt tu gor, samo bolj malo postam, bolj berem ;).
alonso you have PM ;)
i've found some 256 modules with the exact P/N number as Tictac modules and Mtec 50D 04514 chips.
I'm thinking about buying 2x256 because they didn't have 512 modules (i would like to get a gig, but if it's not possible...)
Mod, please feel free to delete my post if you don't think this is reasonable.
Hey guys, I have a stick of TwinMos Speed Premium 512mb for sale. It is the lesser of the 4 I've purchased from Egg. I know I am not suppose to post FS here but since you guys are in desperate search for them I thought I might just do you a favor. (I can always go to Ebay or just return it to Egg)
AA4T 44D week 46 2-2-2-10 setting all voltage read from DFI NF3 bios
memtest #5 20 loops no error
3.35v 247
3.4v 250
3.5v 254 (wall)
one remark, the chips run very very cool at these voltage. something I thought strange. Price is just cost 78.99 plus 8.25 tax plus 4 dollars shipping from Egg ($90). I'll ship free priority mail with confirmation.
reference http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...gs.php?u=11066
if you have 18 or above reference I'll ship first. Paypal add 3 percent.
PM me
1500 post!!! woohooo.
sorry guys, couldn't resist.
hey guys, haven't checked this thread in a while ... how are the latest batches of 512MB sticks from NewEgg ... all getting AA4T ?
will tell you sometime next week. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
got the order our friday night, but newegg doesnt process orders on weekends, so they'll get it shipped monday i guess, then i'll have it maybe wednesday-thursday.
The previous week's batch was all AA4Ts best I can tell. Hopefully this last Friday's batch and all future batches will also be AA4Ts. Of course, based on what Alonso said about TM still using the Powerchip ICs, there are sure to be some AADTs finding their way to newegg's warehouses.
The AA4T isn't a sure thing, still hit and miss as far as i'm concerned. Mine 256mb stick only does 246mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.6v.
However, could be my board/bios havn't tired it in anything else.
sorry mare87, i didn't got the chance to try those stick futher, only this screenshot i got left (this uses 2.6v), the sticks are gone.. allready sell it to some friends(while i'm waiting for my 1GB SP arrive :slobber: - i'm using my old tccd back)Quote:
Originally Posted by mare87
http://img186.exs.cx/img186/4788/mem...026v8lp.th.jpg
fyi : with 2.9v 2-2-2-x, this sticks don't do well with 1 T. unless you you use 2T,you'll get around fsb 235~245 with only 2.9v - but it'll take all the fun away :p: :p: coz i can do that with hynix d43 :toast:
here's the 2T :
http://img173.exs.cx/img173/9444/230...9v2t7nx.th.png
ready to order mine as soon as newegg gets them in stock.
If I didn't already have 4 sticks of unused bh-5 I would try some of this stuff out.
:banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4:
Hold your breath guys, my friend just mail me this result of twinmos sticks that i sell to him .....
a64 3000+
Dfi Lput 250 gb
Twinmos SP aa4T 44D 256x2 @ 2T
Vdimm 3.2v !
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...his_resize.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by setyotomo
I would be impressed he he would have at least let it run one full pass. :rolleyes:
hehe me too, i'm going to his house tonight.. maybe i can post later with test 5#
awesome ....
Now for some 2-2-2-5 1T action @ DDR600 ;)
And of course Dual Channel 2x512mb :D