I wonder what runnning the NAND cleaner would do?
Mine didn't like it at all, but I believe mine was already past it's time when I tried.
Can/have you ran the Indilinx SmatViewer on it to see what Bank all the errors are on?
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I wonder what runnning the NAND cleaner would do?
Mine didn't like it at all, but I believe mine was already past it's time when I tried.
Can/have you ran the Indilinx SmatViewer on it to see what Bank all the errors are on?
If the smart viewer works in engineering mode, I'll give it a shot.
I ran the NAND cleaner on this drive before the start of testing, trying to isolate the issues with the drive. This drive didn't like getting FW flashed or NAND cleaned -- trying to do either one of those would often result in an error.
I let it sit over night, just in case that good old voodoo magic would help. It did not.
On Feb 4 2012 read failures went from 1 to 72. When the drive died, it locked the system up. It was still on technically, but no system will boot with the Turbo not in engineering mode.
No, don't use it in Eng mode. It will scroll forever when listing info as it's not seen in the normal way.
Have you tried hot plugging it in once booted into Windows. That did the trick with mine once, but it sounds like your to the point of no return if it's keeping system from booting. That is where I was with mine when it finally died.
As long as your keeping proper records of SMART data, then I don't see anyone having an issue with d-flashing it to tried and continue if it's your last resort.
Bluestang, you are a gentleman and a scholar. I'm trying to find the smart viewer again, and I may or may not have it.
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UPDATE:
The Vertex Turbo is unflashable. After 70 mins of laundering and dflashing, nothing will "take". I'll try again, but it's dead...
Official Time of Death: 4 Feb 2012 22:11:45 UTC -5
I have put SmartViewer here for you to DL if you need it again. Need to "run as admin" for it to work right I believe.
One drive dies, another one comes in the mail. It's the circle of life.
16GB MTRON PRO 7000 2.5"
187 Total Erase Count 258954
Since I... ahem... destroyed the last MTRON on accident, I got another 16GB model to replace it with.
As you can see, it's not really any faster than the others:
https://www.box.com/shared/static/0q...vg08l2r1mk.png
Now that the testing rig is empty I'm doing some maintenance on it, but I'll start the MTRON later today.
Good work Cristopher !
Really eager to see the small Mtron perform. Thanks !
The MTRON 2.5" 7000 PRO (7025) 16GB SLC is up and running.
I cloned the endurance rig's system drive to the 32GB MOBI, then put the 7000 PRO to work on 8 FEB 2012 21:00 UTC -5
The PRO 7000 uses 16GB of Micron SLC, @50nm and each device is 1GB.
I soon hope to have some new drives in the rig to keep the MTRONs company. I've been considering some newer drives, and I'm still also considering the 120GB Mushkin Chronos Deluxe I already have -- but it's too damn slow for my tastes (in E-testing).
Wow, a lot of things going on for you Christopher :)
Will be updating the charts etc tonight.
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Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
701.99TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 22
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
POH 6323
MD5 OK
32.80MiB/s on avg (~334 hours)
Looks like I need to decide on that second SSD real soon, the X-25 will be disconnected tomorrow and will stay disconnected for the weekend for a short data retention test.
I'm particularly disappointed by the Turbo. I had such... high hopes for it. 116TB is nothing.
I'm thinking that maybe the Turbo isn't refurbished. Perhaps it just used lower binned 51nm Samsung because all the good stuff was gone. Another possibility is the new features of the 1.7FW. Supposedly, it uses different wear leveling, and maybe it's just not as good as 1.6FW.
Here is a quick and dirty chart from the last 23 hours of the Turbo's short, miserable life.
https://www.box.com/shared/static/nm...n2gemqykxn.jpg
Read failures go from 1 to 72 in ~22 hours. I would just have to assume that it's relevant. I tried flashing it again a while back... but it's still dead.
MTRON 7000 PRO 2.5" 16GB SLC, Day 1
100/100/7640236
GiB: 4,534.91
TiB: 4.4286
Avg MB/s 53.29
https://www.box.com/shared/static/x3...8rughu1hgo.png
I'm not even sure what the differences are between the MOBI and PRO are.. To my knowledge, they perform identically.
UPDATE
I believe that the MOBI drives use Samsung SLC, while the PRO series utilizes Micron SLC. Now that I don't have to worry about breaking it, I can take the dead MOBI apart.
WAIT.....................................
The MOBI uses Hynix SLC.
[Hynix Korea HY27UG088G5B x 16] Data sheet is here
Let me also say that the quality of the PCB seems to be a good deal higher than modern drives, though the MTRONs were not cheap 4 years ago. It's actually quite wonderful.
https://www.box.com/shared/static/zy...5s5m02jxtz.jpg
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
705.20TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 22
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
POH 6351
MD5 OK
32.80MiB/s on avg (~362 hours)
It is on a retention test as of tonight and will be reconnected late Sunday. (~50 hours)
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Christopher,
The dead MOBI had Hynix NAND?
I'll get the new one into the charts but the old one didn't really get started so I wasn't planning on including it.
It looks like attachments are back :up:
I just managed to post a few just moments ago, lets hope they are back for good!
Yes, the dead one had Hynix. I had the 3.5" 7025 PRO taken apart, but I couldn't really get it into the test rig, so I had to get another one (the one currently running). The 3.5" used Micron SLC, so I assume the 2.5" 7025 PRO does too.
I was just curious, that's all. I'm not familiar with all that many drives utilizing Hynix SLC...
Anvil, don't bother putting the old MTRON in the charts or anything.
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MTRON 7000 PRO 2.5" 16GB SLC, Day 2
100/100/14101603
GiB: 8667.90
TiB: 8.6448
Avg MB/s 53.54
The SF12xx drive that Vapor used had Hynix and I'm guessing that one of my 60GB Vertex 2's are Hynix as well, it's noticeably slower (in benchmarks) than the others I've got.
Hynix MLC is terrible, as far as I know. The older SLC might be great for all anyone knows, but I'm sure not very many drives ever used those chips. I'm sure there were some faster CF/SD cards that used the Hynix SLC for higher class ratings. Given the price difference between the MOBI and PRO MTRON's, I would guess that the Hynix was much less expensive than the Micron in 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
Is it using 3GB static data? (like the previous one)
The MTRON's were really great and known as quality devices, it's been quiet lately though...
edit:
Could you check whether the MTRON is a 1.5Gb/s device?
Anvil,
The MTRON is 1.5gbps. It's using 3GB of static data.
It's not native SATA, but is an ultra DMA IDE with a SiliconImage SATA bridge.
OK, could you also check if it is 14.9GiB?
(it should be)
14.90GB, Static data is actually 3.12GB.
I promise not to kill this MTRON on accident.
Attachment 124064
I'll update as soon as B.A.T shows his face :)
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Christopher,
You better leave that drive alone :)
(it could last for years though...)
Christopher, hope you’re up for a long run. :) That Hynix NAND spec sheet has it down for 100,000 Program/Erase cycles. 2K page/ 128K Block.
HY27UG088G5B
PAGE READ / PROGRAM
Random access : 25us (max.)
Sequential access : 25ns (min.)
Page program time : 200us (typ.)
Block erase time: 1.5ms (Typ)
I don’t have much info for Hynix NAND but as a comparison to lower density NAND from Hynix:
H27UAG8T2B
3,000 Program/Erase cycles 8K page/2MiB Block
Page Read / PROGRAM
Random Access: 200 ㎲ (Max.)
Sequential Access : 25 ㎱ (Min.)
Page program time : 1600us (typ.)
Block erase time: 2.5ms (Typ)
As a comparison to Intel NAND
Intel JS29F64G08AAME1/ JS29F16B08CAME1/ JS29F32B08JAME1
5,000 Program/Erase cycles 8K page/2MiB Block
Page Read / PROGRAM
Random Access: 50 ㎲ (Max.)
Sequential Access : 20 ㎱ (Min.)
Page program time : 1200us (typ.)
Block erase time: 3.0ms (Typ)
Ao1,
You're right, but it's actually worse that it would appear. The Hynix SLC was in the MOBI 3025 that I shorted out (and took apart today). The PRO 7025 currently running uses Micron SLC...
I would guess that they're pretty similar, but if I had to guess which was better, I'd say it's the Micron stuff.
I'm pretty deranged to even attempt such a thing.
A couple of weeks ago I took apart the 3.5" 7025 PRO, and I posted which Micron SLC it had (I was sure it was Samsung).
Just to be clear:
2.5" MTRON MOBI 3025 16GB <------I killed this one, took apart today
2.5" MTRON MOBI 3025 32GB <------System drive for the endurance rig
2.5" MTRON PRO 7025 16GB <------Currently testing
3.5" MTRON PRO 7025 16GB <------Took this apart, wouldn't fit in the testing rig
I wonder if Hynix and Samsung had some joint fabs in Korea (in the past)?
Maybe Hynix:Samsung::Micron:Intel
Fortunately, after 50 or so hours, MWI on the MTRON is now down to 99.
So let's see... 50 hours *100 = 5000 hours, or 208 days. If it died at MWI 0, that would be impressive, but since no drive dies at MWI 0, I'd say I'm in for a couple of years.
MTRON PRO 7025 16GB SLC, Day 3
Attachment 124073
Yesterday, the MTRON seemed to jump back from 99/99/ to 100/99
I don't know why.
I've just reconnected the Kingston (X25-V) and all is OK :)