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I haven't been following every post on this thread so please excuse me if I'm slightly off on the current string...
I just wanted to thank everyone whom started, did the work, and contributed to this thread. It helped me make a solid decision and learn much more. Three things I learned
about purchasing...
1. Although it can be slightly more expensive and even limit your choices to a certain extent, I must advise purchasing your (my) final model from a local store like Best Buy, Circuit City, even Wallmart etc.. Only in this way can you SEE the actual picture and MOST IMPORTANTLY if there's ANY problems simply drive back and exchange, return, or get another model.
2. It was better to go with a slightly smaller screen then try to get the biggest and best from the start. Screen size seems to determine stability as the technology weeds out the Hinky designs and models. I got a 19" even though i wanted a 21"+.
3. Research, research, and more research. Study the technology, read as many reviews as you can, but most importantly try to read as many user comments as you can tolerate. Sifting through User comments finding repeated strengths and weaknesses shows patterns that can be useful beyond the "I love this monitor" even if people are wacky you can begin to find certain attributes about models they may not even be aware their seeing.
To repeat number One, these monitoirs "DISPLAY" better so when you buy from a store like Newegg and they tell you there's minimum dead pixel return policy, just remember those pixels can be clustered together and I know that would drive me insane.
I love my plain old Samsung 930b it does everything I want it too and once I got a decent digital cable even a 6800GT looked as good as a X1900XTX with an analog cable! Now my 7800GTX actually looks like it should and I've begun to find details in a benchmarks I've run 50,000x like 3DMark2001! For example in Dragothic when the Drgaon is just beginning to fly into the village down in the harbor there are ships I'd overlooked until now. FEAR looks great as well and my old CRT was no slouch it was a IBM P260 Sony 21" FD Trinitron which still cost $300 Refurbished! So like I said get yourself out of your house and into some stores to SEE what certain models look like. I made a top ten list then called around found at least four at one store went there and got to broke them all!!!
Anyway thank you all.
great job to all those who did work on this :clap: :toast: I was pretty certain on what LCD I wanted to get... but this just helped quite a bit. Thanks!! :woot:
Thanks to our readers too for supporting this thread :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid3D
Without your interrest in LCD technology, this thread would of probably ended up in the dusty pile of old threads afther the fist page of the "General Hardware" section :D
Liquid3D
If you dont mind, your tips could actually be useful for some people new to LCD shopping.
Do you mind if I put those 3 tips on the guide?
Im thinking about a new section titled "Shopping Tips" on top of the "Links" section. Ill put those 3 tips, and any others that may be useful like:
- Calibrate your monitors to achieve the best performance
- Always use digital signals on LCD monitors for the optimal performance. DVI and HDMI are both digital cables. Component, composite, VGA, and S-Video are analog cables.
- and other tips...
Hopefully Ill be able to post the "Shopping Tips" section, as well as the AGP to Component mod, new LCD like the 3007fpw, and update news like the delay of SED until Q4 07 (Yeah, I know... :( ), OLED LCDs wont be releasing because of the short life and dificulty of making larger displays, and other news...
Just thought I'd pop in with a few suggestions for the first page. There's one or two thing that I think would be worth putting in/changing so I thought I'd mention them.
1. LCD image burn in (or "Image Persistance" to use the LCD manufacturer term) does occur... (visit thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=93571 for a recent example) but seems to be removable. There is a link on the thread posted that should give the correct response for when it happens... just a good bit of info for people who buy something, so they know how to maintain it.
2. The page claims that LCD backlight bulbs are replaceable. While *technically* true, I would like to see it noted that it's not really USER-replacable. The parts aren't exactly sold at every Radio Shack and the chances are very good that a user will do far more damage trying to replace it. It may just be a lot of soldering work (iirc), but once you take into account the number of people that have soldering guns, that will take the step to find those parts, that will pay for those parts instead of just buying a new monitor... etc. It just becomes blatently obvious that there is almost no situation where you can fairly say "replaceable" in reference to a dimmed bulb. It's just not worth the time or effort.
Serra
hi everyone, first of all i wanna say: great thread, thanks!
i'm about to buy a samsung lcd monitor and i was wondering if anyone had any good or bad things to say about the following two.
samsung sm920t
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 25
Interfaces Analog and digital
and
samsung sm193tm
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 8
D-Sub, DVI
now as you can see, the specs are pretty much the same, except for response time. both have a pva panel as well and cost pretty much the same here in slovenia... i can't afford to spend more money than that. i'll be using the monitor mostly for text work, internet and photo editing, no gaming at all, so the response time really isn't that important to me. colours are very important though. i'm leaning towards the first one because i've found some good reviews of it and i can't find any for 193tm, except for some user reviews on amazon.de(but my german isn't that good).
what do you think?
tell me please if you find out if the the second one use a 8bit panel that means 16.7 million colors if it uses a 8bit panel i guess you can buy that one if it uses a 6bit panel buy the first one
also you can try and call dell costumer service if they have a number for slovenia you can buy lcd from them and if you are lucky and your salesman is nice it will drop the price a little i bought a 2007fpw yesterday and they sold it to me for 500$ with shipping to venezuela
according to flatpanels.dk they both have a pva panel, which means 16.7, no? do you know anything more about the two models, except for what the specs say?
thanks for the suggestion! i think i'll stick with buying it here in slovenia because i'm in a bit of a hurry and shipping to europe would definitely take a while, plus i could have problems with customs.
oh well buy the one with lowest response time...
also if you can see them in person is even better the worst problem you can face is backlight bleeding if none of them have that buy them :) and then come here and make a mini review for us :D
hehe, i'll do that :D but first you need to explain what backlight bleeding is please?
you can check posts 241 and 247 in page 10 of this thread
there you will see the backlight bleeding
is pretty annoying at least if you watch dvds or work with a lot of blacks :P
ok finally i have both the 2007 and the 2405fpw im pretty tired right now so im gonna post just 1 compare pic
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3...2medium2qd.jpg
hi everyone, so i ended up buying the older model because its price went down a lot. at first i was very excited, the monitor looks great, i like its design, the slower response time doesn't bother me at all... but then i started noticing some problems. i'm a bit bummed because i've only found positive reviews of this monitor online... the problems are
- when i log on or log off windows xp, the lower left corner is purplish instead of blue
- brightness, too much brightness compared to my old crt. maybe i'm just not used to it, but all my photos looks way too bright on here. if i set the brightness down to 40 or 30, the contrast of the pics doesn't improve a lot. also, doing this test: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/color_gradients_3.html, i noticed some uneven transitions (the same goes for a black and white photo of mine, where a black shade moves towards grayer)
now, i do have to point out that i haven't calibrated the monitor with magic tune yet. is that why all the colour problems? this might sound silly, but i don't really know how to operate the calibration thing, is there anyone on here who has a samsung lcd and knows how to calibrate it? i found the adobe gamma program on my crt more straightforward. the instructions on the samsung website aren't very clear to me, but then again, i'm not a native speaker of english.
here's a screen shot of the calibration program:
http://www2.shrani.si/files/magictun412225.jpg
and here are the instructions from samsung's website:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Moni...une_02_03s.htm
you can see an animation of how the calibration is supposed to be done... but i'm afraid it doesn't make things much clearer for me. i don't understand whether you're moving the bar at the bottom (under Step 1 etc.) to make the whole thing brighter or darker, or are you moving the square thing in the middle, the way it's done in the animation. if so, what is it exactly that you're trying to do? make the littles square of the same colour as the biggest background or?
sorry for such beginner questions... your help would be very appreciated, in a few days i have to decide whether i'm returning the monitor or not. thank you!
Just got a Dell 2007WFP in today - will game with it over the weekend and report back. Still waiting for the mythical 2407
Hi what about this problem in some 2007 "gradient banding "
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1145653453
Some 2007 User can tell us about this problem ¿? Thanks!!
Anyone try out Viewsonic's VP2030b?
On paper it looks like one of the best 20" panels out there (4:3). It's specs are basically like the VP930b (clearly best 19" panel out there) and so it makes me wonder....
Sorry, but I have to just ask, because my eyes are freakin weary from being on the comp on day. I've been checking out this monitor---->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009061
Of course, everyone seems happy on newegg in the user reviews, but I know better. I really want a monitor that has res of 1900x1200, to fully take advantage of this big a$$ GPU sitting in my case. So, is this ACER good? Anyone know of any other worthy candidates? Thanks.
Argh! Ok, so I'm still with this really old CRT, kinda forgot about getting an LCD... But I've had a few people come over to my house, they gawk at the rig, they gawk at the speakers, and then they laugh at the monitor. So.... I'm almost sure that a new monitor will come this summer. Anyway, I was going to get a Dell 2005FPW, but then I heard about 2007WFP. Now I have another candidate. What's better? The Dell 2007WFP or the Viewsonic VX2025WM, both 20.1" wide screen with 1680x1050 res and 800:1 aspect ratio. Dell has slower response times at 16ms while the Viewsonic is 8ms, would that make a difference? They look identical from specs other than the response times, and I can get the Viewsonic about $100CAN cheaper, so which is better? Thanks.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
the dell 2007fpw has hdcp so u can watch HD protected content
So then the 2007WFP is better, but then again, wouldn't the 16ms response allow room for ghosting, especially since I'm going to be playing UT2004/2007? Thanks.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
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Originally Posted by leviathan18
So does the NEC 20WMGX2
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Originally Posted by ferrari_freak
i have it no ghost with fast paced games like DOD UT04 or oblivion far cry fear bf2 and nfsmw...
I was looking at the budget LCD's, but obviously you can't get an LCD dirty cheap and want it to be good for games & movies. I also work with web pages...but I guess you can't count it as a need for good colors, though if it comes in the package...
I've red through this thread, but as it is with purchasing things like this, I still dont realy know what's best for me(movies & games). I do however know that it has to be a widescreen monitor, I'm done with 4:3 and I do not even want to encounter 5:4... So 16:10 or 16:9 is the way to go(1920x1200 != 16:9, 1920x1080 == 16:9). Since true 16:9 LCD's are a rarity, it laves me with ether a 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 LCD's. The budget is anywhere from 500 - 1000$. Next problem I'm facing -- Dell 2007FWP or FPW or PFW or whatever those characters were...is not available in my country and purchasing it offshore...well let's just say that warranty doesn't come included if I do purchase it offshore. And that still leave's me with a rather large 'array' of choises. If that particular Dell model would be available it would probably be what I would purchase. I want to buy the LCD with a resolution of 1680 x 1050 or 1920x1200 for movie watching and game playing. Could somebody help me out and suggest a couple of possible choises? I could then atleast check what's available where I'm at.
One possible choice is Benq FP202W, but I'm not sure if it will do.
Thank's :)!
(this thread has been ...quet for a while)
I think your looking for the Dell 2405.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrikeRTM
Forget about the 2007's because of the "banding" issue.
What do you mean by the banding issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by wizboy11
Usama aka Ferrari Freak