Apogee GTX

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Originally Posted by IanY

And the sad part is that I don't set off wanting to participate in any "debate," much less "win" anything.

I share out of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm has gotten squashed more often than not, like an abused wife who prepared dinner gets slapped across the face by an abusive drunk of a husband who arrives home late.

Thus, there goes the whole fun and enthusiasm. One tends to quickly lose interest. Anyway, the whole world awaits Nikhsub1's haloed tests. Therefore, anything that you contribute prior to Nikhsub1's test is just asanine, and anything you say after that test is just superfluous lol :)

The irony of it all is that I am supposed to be the ardent fanboy, and here we have masses eagerly awaiting the opportunity to twist and turn and pervert any situation to their advantage.

You and I know the truth, and only the truth will set one free.

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:clap: Oh you forgot Philly Boy!

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Originally Posted by IanY

And the sad part is that I don't set off wanting to participate in any "debate," much less "win" anything.

I share out of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm has gotten squashed more often than not, like an abused wife who prepared dinner gets slapped across the face by an abusive drunk of a husband who arrives home late.

Thus, there goes the whole fun and enthusiasm. One tends to quickly lose interest. Anyway, the whole world awaits Nikhsub1's haloed tests. Therefore, anything that you contribute prior to Nikhsub1's test is just asanine, and anything you say after that test is just superfluous lol :)

The irony of it all is that I am supposed to be the ardent fanboy, and here we have masses eagerly awaiting the opportunity to twist and turn and pervert any situation to their advantage.

You and I know the truth, and only the truth will set one free.

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I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while. :)

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while. :)

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And thus, there goes you insinuation that any other source other than the ones you ferverent refer to are, by fiat, ipso facto, under your definition, necessarily biased and prejudiced ?

And that by the same decree, anyone who does not devote his kitchen sink, or his basement sink to the art of water block changing therefore does not possess a controlled environment ?

How would you know how many times Naekuh mounted his block when he provided results? Did he not tell you that, through ownership, he has extensively tested both the D-Tek FuZion and the Apogee GT ?

And yet, you pick to dispute and discredit his observations ?

BTW, I'm still searching without success for the haloed XS stone tablets, so appropriate in the context of this holy weekend.

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while. :)

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Hold on a second, controlled tests are rarely done here. h2ofragmonger's test on the fuzion is one of the ONLY tests I can call controlled. He used a heatsource, and special equipment, and got his hard data, including pressure drop, etc.
So why should you trust a test that says block A is better than block B just because the numbers were taken with an expensive thermometer, more than you would trust another test that says block A is better than block B simply because it got me lower temps?

Guys I think ya'll need to just take a deep breath here. My testing is not the end all be all. I will say that I am VERY meticulous and repetitive to the point of boredom however.

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Originally Posted by serialk11r

Hold on a second, controlled tests are rarely done here. h2ofragmonger's test on the fuzion is one of the ONLY tests I can call controlled. He used a heatsource, and special equipment, and got his hard data, including pressure drop, etc.
So why should you trust a test that says block A is better than block B just because the numbers were taken with an expensive thermometer, more than you would trust another test that says block A is better than block B simply because it got me lower temps?

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Didn't say there were done around here often, maybe that's the problem.

So you believe, mounting a block maybe once or twice (probably to check the contact) and posting a screenshot of TAT/Coretemp is a great way to test what blocks perform to what degree?

Who said anything about having an expensive thermometer? If you've read Scotts thread about the RD-30 being run at different voltages you will have already seen the comments on the measuring gear he is using.

So you're telling me you will happily trust a set of tests carried out with no methodology, fair test statement where you identify possible causes of abnomoly results over one which has taken all care to minimise all of the above?

I thought this was supposed to be a place to share ideas and a passion for what we call watercooling? :confused:

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Originally Posted by IanY

And thus, there goes you insinuation that any other source other than the ones you ferverent refer to are, by fiat, ipso facto, under your definition, necessarily biased and prejudiced ?

And that by the same decree, anyone who does not devote his kitchen sink, or his basement sink to the art of water block changing therefore does not possess a controlled environment ?

How would you know how many times Naekuh mounted his block when he provided results? Did he not tell you that, through ownership, he has extensively tested both the D-Tek FuZion and the Apogee GT ?

And yet, you pick to dispute and discredit his observations ?

BTW, I'm still searching without success for the haloed XS stone tablets, so appropriate in the context of this holy weekend.

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Controlled enviroment, is a controlled enviroment. You control the factors which have an affect on the outcome of the tests, through out all tests then you're on the right track.

Reading his posts, he doesn't even post screenshots of the DTEK results. So he didn't even mount them one after another. Seems like he whacked in the GTX and compared to a few hours earlier or the day before / or when ever he had the DTEK running.

Not calling him a liar or untrust worthy but I will take results from an average of mounts on a set bed over something like that. You're telling me you wouldn't?

Scott has outlined his test precedure, via asking for input from those with knowledge on anything he should do differently.

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Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Guys I think ya'll need to just take a deep breath here. My testing is not the end all be all. I will say that I am VERY meticulous and repetitive to the point of boredom however.

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Don't worry I'm calm :) , I drink tea ;)

I personally like these discussions, I'm just confused as to wether these guys would trust these results over Scotts.

If Naekuh has taken steps to create as accurate results as possible then he is more than welcome to explain, I would like to see them. :)

you guys are stressing me out...

Nikhsub1,

No doubt. We greatly appreciate your tests.

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Originally Posted by SiGfever

I thought this was supposed to be a place to share ideas and a passion for what we call watercooling? :confused:

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The problem is that the level of passion is extremely high, no different from the inside of a Mujaheeden masadrah in Peshawar :D

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

you can and should, just got to be prepared to duck when the other guy shares his back at you, at a very hi rate of speed:)

andyc

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:rofl: :ROTF:

Well heres a 1 hour orthos. I doubt coolant can raise up any higher after this point. I'll see if i can leave it on tonight b4 i goto bed.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p.../FinalTemp.jpg


yeah im throughly pleased with this product. Only peeve is the short screws if you use a backplate, but im sure this is something gabe can fix up right away.

i got mine from petras

vcore is 1.58 set in bios .. only 1.489v in speedfan ?!?!???
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...Shot0036-2.jpg

and yeah cant use Intel TAT on nv boards , and core temp .95 crashes my comp ... sign

ambient around 23 to 24C, and CPU temps gets to 50c sometimes during the small ftt phase of blend i think

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...Shot0039-1.jpg

and Coollaboratory PRO rocks !!1!! woo hoo!@!! i cleaned my CPU with arctic remover than purifier about 3 times, then it stick to the surface of my CPU

to NaeKuh: ...do u think that 1 laing D5 is powerful enough for that block?....my loop consists of PA120.3,PA120.2,5l expy,Swiftech MCW60-R-vga block,Swiftech MCW30-chipset block...and i'm expecting GTX of course...:)....

I wanna get some watercooling done, and im reading around this section of the forum, but im new to it all. One of the things i keep seeing but not understanding is this.

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Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Has anyone run a bowed GT or GTX and then returned the base back to flat with the stock o-ring?

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Anyone care to explain the meaning of bowed and flat is? I know the actual meaning of the words, but not in this conjunction :p

Also, the whole discussion of corrosion, couldnt you put anti-corrosive fluids in your loop? Or will it give higher temps?

Rava6e - Swiftech has release a fatter oring for the apogee GT blocks. This fatter oring causes the base to bow, or become very convex in the center when the block is tightened down. With the stock oring, which is the way all the blocks ship, the base if perfectly flat. As for the corrosion issue, it depends on who you ask. Swiftech has claimed that the new PLATING process is virtually bullet proof. Me personally, I'll not use anything aluminum because I am psychologically scared for life after seeing (and experiencing) horrific corrosion with anodized aluminum.

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Originally Posted by Rava6e

I wanna get some watercooling done, and im reading around this section of the forum, but im new to it all. One of the things i keep seeing but not understanding is this.


Anyone care to explain the meaning of bowed and flat is? I know the actual meaning of the words, but not in this conjunction :p

Also, the whole discussion of corrosion, couldnt you put anti-corrosive fluids in your loop? Or will it give higher temps?

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The difference over bowed versus flat is a simple o-ring replacement that I believe Swiftech is now shipping with all of the Apogee GT's. The GT's at time of release had a slimer o-rings which inturn resulted in a flat base. When you replace the o-rings the base bows ) some say it will give better contact with the Intel IHS, in my case it did. I installed my GT with slim and fat o-rings, the difference in temps was marginal.

Yes, you can use anti-corrosive fluids in your loop. Temperature wise I did not notice an increase. The majority believe that it's best to avoid these fluids and use distilled water only with a couple drops of algacide. Depends on if you're looking for the UV bling effect or not. ;)

Posted @ the same time as Nik.

I don't know if this was mentioned before or not, but the fact is that the big wig engineers (smart guys) :D at Intel told Swiftech how to coat the aluminum. I'm pretty sure they knew what they where talking about. Then again, they are only INTEL :D

OPP

I might as well throw this out there as well. I no longer use my Apogee GT. I sold it, replaced it with a Fuzion. The Fuzion will be replaced with a Apogee GTX this weekend. When my loop dies a horrible death because I used aluminum I'll buy everybody who told me so a beer. :p:

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Originally Posted by Hard H20

I might as well throw this out there as well. I no longer use my Apogee GT. I sold it, replaced it with a Fuzion. The Fuzion will be replaced with a Apogee GTX this weekend. When my loop dies a horrible death because I used aluminum I'll buy everybody who told me so a beer. :p:

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There you go:D

Once it dies we will Have the Boys at Intel beat up and fired! :D

OPP