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05-18-2008, 12:35 AM
karateo

I want the new bios for better support of the 2x2gb kits!!!!
05-18-2008, 05:49 AM
Sauron_Vie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xcluded

anyone with 45nm quads ?

care to share their oc results here?

jep, here u have:
05-18-2008, 06:00 AM
karateo

max fsb stable?
05-18-2008, 06:08 AM
Aldy402

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinaun

Please do let us know the settings. I find that there isn't a bunch of people with a Q6600 with this board. The GTLS are killing me, as anything in the 67% range for me is way off. More like 70%.

im using the q6600. In my case, I find the system more stable with the GTLS on auto.. Different story with the QX9650 I tested however..
05-18-2008, 07:14 AM
Sauron_Vie

Quote:

Originally Posted by karateo

max fsb stable?

not tested exactly yet, only tried once to go up to 450-460x6 and this was no probl. this needs much playing with the gtl´s. :rolleyes: but maybe i will try a little later how much fsb i can reach und share the results then.

c u
05-18-2008, 09:20 AM
bcsbcs

My appologies if this shouldnt be on this thread but I have the UT-X48-T2R and am using 2x2gb gskill 8500 1066 ram. I wondered if anyone could tell me how accurate the memory voltage reading in smart guardian is?
This memory is designed to run at 2.0-2.1v now if I set it to 2.0 in the bios SG reports 1.91 and if I set it to 2.1v it comes in at 2.03v. It would appear to be quite unstable at 2.0v set in the bios but it may just be that I need to work on the timings more.

[edit] bios reports 2.06v when set to 2.1v and it appears to be more stable, still getting complete lockup's in memtest so i'll have to try tweaking some more. maybee I need to up the NB volts.

Regards

BS
05-19-2008, 10:27 PM
Rinaun

I'm getting close to just giving up with this board; no matter what the damn setting it doesn't even like running stock settings. One thing that doesnt make this board easier to use is the fact that it seems little is known about gtls, or how to adjust them effectively without spending your life and soul sitting in a basement trying random settings (Sorry, but this board just pisses me off so far). I'm starting to wonder if my board is just a POS.
05-20-2008, 04:17 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinaun

I'm getting close to just giving up with this board; no matter what the damn setting it doesn't even like running stock settings. One thing that doesnt make this board easier to use is the fact that it seems little is known about gtls, or how to adjust them effectively without spending your life and soul sitting in a basement trying random settings (Sorry, but this board just pisses me off so far). I'm starting to wonder if my board is just a POS.

chek your ram settings
only problem i see on the board is after 550fsb
anything that cant run stock needs rma but chek your ram
05-20-2008, 05:07 AM
Praz

The P45 chipset still needs tuning from all board manufacturers. But it looks like the X48 will still be able to hold its own. Top screenshot is from Anandtech on the ASUS P5Q Deluxe. Bottom screenshot is done on the DFI UT X48. Both using OCZ Flex II 2x2GB 1150MHz memory. Impressive when the difference in speeds is taken into account.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=3314

Quote:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...evcpu3dvan.png

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...erest_64_l.jpg
05-20-2008, 05:42 AM
vcp-cur

I posted a thread on the DK X48 but oh well...it dissapeared.

Does anyone have a DFI DK X48 and has anything good to say about it? or why one should consider the X48 instead of X38 or even P35 ?

am just looking for some info...

thanks
05-20-2008, 05:47 AM
karateo

nothing to compare there from my point of view
from different OS optimisations to different system timings

and P45 is "worse" than X48, so X48 has to be faster!
05-20-2008, 06:03 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by karateo

nothing to compare there from my point of view
from different OS optimisations to different system timings

and P45 is "worse" than X48, so X48 has to be faster!

Both screenshots were done with Vista 64Bit. I really doubt that Anandtech is using an optimized operating system. Mine is a stock install as well. The article stated the configuration was stable as is mine. And the timings are naturally going to be different as the chipsets are different. Regardless, both screenshot contains nice results for 2x2GB modules.
05-20-2008, 07:42 AM
emoners

which is better, higher or lower numbers?

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7...ambenchqf3.png
05-20-2008, 07:48 AM
karateo

latency lower
all others higher
05-20-2008, 08:46 AM
ZenEffect

does anybody know how to change the tref without having to use memset? or does anybody know the tref per strap? i can only "match" the bandwidth i had on a maximus formula, but cant get to the level that i had on rampage... most likely due to the fact that i cant get pl6 or cas4 + pl5 on this mobo.
05-21-2008, 02:17 PM
Rinaun

A multimeter is useful, as I have found smartguardian is bad at telling voltages. Bios VTT = 1.415 actual = 1.438 with Q6600. Anyone get these results or similar, or am I just reading it wrong?
05-21-2008, 06:58 PM
zsamz_

praz how come the l2 cache latency is so high?
05-21-2008, 07:13 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

praz how come the l2 cache latency is so high?

Don't know. Probably something only Intel would be able to answer. Looking at Gary's screenshot looks to be about where the 45nm dual cores run at. Only 0.1ns difference between the two screenshots.
05-22-2008, 09:23 AM
davidk21770

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinaun

A multimeter is useful, as I have found smartguardian is bad at telling voltages. Bios VTT = 1.415 actual = 1.438 with Q6600. Anyone get these results or similar, or am I just reading it wrong?

I haven't tried this MB yet (right now, it's at the top of my list;)), but all MBs are notorious for being a little off on the voltage readings (and settings). You really need a multimeter for an accurate reading and setting -- especially if you're planning to push to the very edge.
05-22-2008, 09:59 AM
cstkl1

been playing with the asus p5k deluxe ddr2 version

after 2 days.. into the bin u go.. :P
and back to dfi LP x48.. come home to mama :P

the asus board bios 0405 is freaking flawed..

will wait for more bios update for it

also it has corruption issue with the bios..
one wrong ram timings.. it will revert to the duallie bios to the stock mobo bios which is even worse..
05-22-2008, 10:02 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

praz how come the l2 cache latency is so high?

thats normal for vista..
it keeps changing... so dont bother with it..
05-22-2008, 02:00 PM
Praz

LANParty UT X48-T2R, E8400, 480x8, Post 1 Of 3

E8400 04/02 BIOS
480x8, Memory 1152MHz
2x2GB OCZ PC2 9200 Flex2
XFX8800 GTS (G92)
Air Cooled - 120 Extreme
tRD - 7, Memset Misreads The Value When Set Manually
Yellow Slots Used For Memory
VDIMM Measured 1.887V

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...ios/main_s.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...ios/volt_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...s/dram_1_s.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...s/dram_2_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image.../clock_1_s.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image.../clock_2_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...os/phase_s.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image.../feature_s.jpg

Code:

CPU Feature Page Thermal Management Control................Enabled PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled CIE Function..............................Disabled Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled Virtualization Technology.................Enabled Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled Main BIOS Page Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2 Shutdown After AC Loss....................Disabled O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0 CLOCK VC0 Divider.........................Auto CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x CPU N/2 Ratio.............................Disabled CPU Clock.................................480 MHz Boot Up Clock.............................Auto DRAM Speed................................333/800 PCIE Clock................................100MHz PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled Voltage Setting Page CPU VID Control...........................1.30000V CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto DRAM Voltage Control......................1.941V SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.510V NB Core Voltage...........................1.317V CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.100V VCore Droop Control.......................Disabled Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong Host Slew Rate............................Strong GTL REF Voltage Control...................Enabled CPU GTL 1/2 REF Volt.......................65 CPU GTL 0/3 REF Volt......................64 North Bridge GTL REF Volt ................62 DRAM Timing Page Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast Enhance Addressing........................Fast T2 Dispatch...............................Auto Clock Setting Fine Delay..................Listed Below CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5 RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................5 Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................15 All Precharge to Act......................5 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................54 Performance Level.........................8 Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Listed Below MCH ODT Latency...........................1 Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................13 Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............Auto Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD)................Auto Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............Auto Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................3 ALL PRE to Refresh........................5 Read Delay Phase Adjust Page Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay Page Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current 67ps DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current 445ps DIMM 1 Control fine delay.................Current 512ps DIMM 2 Control fine delay.................Current 267ps Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current 779ps Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................More Aggressive DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current 67ps DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 378ps DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 356ps DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 345ps Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 779ps Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto
05-22-2008, 02:01 PM
Praz

LANParty UT X48-T2R, E8400, 480x8, Post 2 Of 3

XP SP3

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...prime_xp_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image..._3d06_xp_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image..._crysis_xp.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...152_ut3_xp.jpg

3dx Max w/V-ray
Time to render: 15min 03sec

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...chmark_680.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...erest_xp_s.jpg
05-22-2008, 02:02 PM
Praz

LANParty UT X48-T2R, E8400, 480x8, Post 3 Of 3

Vista 64 Bit SP1

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...prime_64_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image..._3d06_64_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...3dvan_64_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...cmark_64_s.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image..._crysis_64.jpg http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...152_ut3_64.jpg

3dx Max w/V-ray
Time to render: 16min 24sec

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...chmark_680.jpg

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...erest_64_s.jpg
05-22-2008, 02:09 PM
Jultsu

OK I just updated the UT version bios to my LT board, everything seems to be working just fine. The CPU special VID has been disabled when vcore is set under 1.3000v. The Vcore turns red when going past 1.4500v :) Other than that, no other visible changes (apart from a new POST screen).

I'm still struggling to get my comp prime95 stable with 8 gigs 9x400MHz. I can do 5-8h prime95 blend but after that a BSOD. :(
05-23-2008, 01:39 AM
merlin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

you need the new bios which should be up soon, Oskar tuned the board to help overclocking PSC IC's like the ones we use on the 1066 reapers you quoted there.

I will try to post guides for these and the 1150 flex2 over at the ocz forum to help those looking for settings...BUT remember, im not interested in CPU overclocking so those who moan that they can not hit the CPU clocks with the ram where they want it will be asked to test with CPU's (quads especially) at near stock speeds due to the nature of the chipset.

I got my Flex II yesterday and so far they are working great with LT X38 and current BIOS (03/14). I'm very happy with it.

DDR2-1168 was the max stable clock I could achieve:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/438x8_584czs.jpg

Although the screen shows tRD 8 it's 7, only one phase is running at 8.
My CPU does not like FSB higher than 460, so I'm a bit limited on dividers.

Memory settings used:

Quote:

DRAM Timing
- Enhance Data transmitting: Normal
- Enhance Addressing: Normal
- T2 Dispatch: Enabled

Clock Setting Fine Delay
Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: More Relaxed
- DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current
- DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current
- Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current
- Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current

Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: More Relaxed
- DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current
- DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current
- Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current
- Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current

Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: More Relaxed

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto (where cpuz sees 1T or 2T SETTING)

CAS Latency Time (tCL):5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD):5
RAS# Precharge (tRP):5
Precharge Delay (tRAS):15
All Precharge to Act: 6
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 54
Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD): 8

Read delay phase adjust: Enter

Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0)
- Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: Enabled

Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0)
- Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
- Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: Enabled
- Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: Enabled

MCH ODT Latency: AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 14
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): 6
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): 6
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): 5
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3
ALL PRE to Refresh: 6

This could get my new 24/7 setting:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/450x8_563b6j.jpg

// Edit

I have been able to reduce tRD to 6, so performance improved a bit.

http://www.abload.de/thumb/450x8_ddr2-112694a.jpg

FSB266 and 266/1066 divider or FSB333 and 333/1066 divider did not cause any issues to me. DDR2-1200 was no go with current BIOS, I could get it nearly stable at DDR2-1192. Do you have any news on the new BIOS files with PSC IC optimizations?
05-23-2008, 08:50 AM
davidk21770

I'm seeing lots of numbers here, but has anyone formed any opinions yet on whether this board is better than the competition (say Gigabyte or Asus)? Or whether it's a good choice for a fast reliable overclock?

Thanks.
05-23-2008, 11:59 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidk21770

I'm seeing lots of numbers here, but has anyone formed any opinions yet on whether this board is better than the competition (say Gigabyte or Asus)? Or whether it's a good choice for a fast reliable overclock?

Thanks.

hmm i say it was way better than the maximus formula and rampage that i had.. for ddr2.. .
05-23-2008, 01:19 PM
Slam

Any word on next bios release, or is there a good site for beta releases?

Thanks
05-23-2008, 03:45 PM
ZenEffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

hmm i say it was way better than the maximus formula and rampage that i had.. for ddr2.. .

i could say the exact opposite, but only when referring to "fast" overclock. dfi motherboards definitely take time to set up to run... but once set up THEY ARE FAST AS HELL
05-23-2008, 09:20 PM
zfactor

just joined the group.... cant wait to get it.. now i have a basically brand new x38 dfi going up for sale lol just couldnt resist trying this out..
05-23-2008, 09:23 PM
Martinm210

I think I'll be buying this board as soon as I save up the $$. Goodbye EVGA 680i, hello DFI..:)

I might even take the time to fabricate some custom blocks for this one...:D
05-23-2008, 10:11 PM
zsamz_

you guys should be lookin hard @ the dfi ut p35 cause its way better lol
only thing i see better on x38-48 is runing 4 sticks n crossfire
unless they come with a nice bios to give same performance as the dfi p35 lol
i went back to the x38 just to keep my p35 nice n fresh lol
05-23-2008, 10:15 PM
zsamz_

merlin use
Enhance Data transmitting: fast
- Enhance Addressing:fast

n watch it fly;)
05-24-2008, 12:12 AM
merlin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

merlin use
Enhance Data transmitting: fast
- Enhance Addressing:fast [...]

I don't see any difference in performance setting these options to "Fast". Most important seems setting "T2 Dispatch" to "Enabled" whenever possible. When it comes to 24/7 stability I noticed that setting these options to "Normal" improved stability a lot, at least with my old G.Skill HZ, and it did not cost performance. With BIOS versions prior than 1/11 I saw some improvements but now I don't.
05-24-2008, 01:45 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin76

I don't see any difference in performance setting these options to "Fast". Most important seems setting "T2 Dispatch" to "Enabled" whenever possible. When it comes to 24/7 stability I noticed that setting these options to "Normal" improved stability a lot, at least with my old G.Skill HZ, and it did not cost performance. With BIOS versions prior than 1/11 I saw some improvements but now I don't.

only bandwidth increase:eek:
just turbo not stable for me
05-24-2008, 03:37 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin76

I don't see any difference in performance setting these options to "Fast".

After tRD, those two settings have the biggest influence on performance then any other setting.
05-24-2008, 04:18 AM
merlin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

After tRD, those two settings have the biggest influence on performance then any other setting.

450x8 266/667

Identical settings for all tests:

Code:

Clock Setting Fine Delay Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: More Relaxed - DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current - DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current - Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current - Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: More Relaxed - DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current - DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current - Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current - Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: More Relaxed Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto (where cpuz sees 1T or 2T SETTING) CAS Latency Time (tCL):5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD):5 RAS# Precharge (tRP):5 Precharge Delay (tRAS):15 All Precharge to Act: 6 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 54 Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD): 7 Read delay phase adjust: Enter Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0) - Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: AUTO Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0) - Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: AUTO - Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: AUTO MCH ODT Latency: 1 Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 14 Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): 6 Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): 6 Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): 5 Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3 ALL PRE to Refresh: 6

Enhance Data transmitting: Normal
Enhance Addressing: Normal
T2 Dispatch: Enabled
http://www.abload.de/img/nnel5q.jpg

Enhance Data transmitting: Normal
Enhance Addressing: Normal
T2 Dispatch: Disabled
http://www.abload.de/img/nndmob.jpg

Enhance Data transmitting: Fast
Enhance Addressing: Fast
T2 Dispatch: Enabled
http://www.abload.de/img/ffenre.jpg

Enhance Data transmitting: Fast
Enhance Addressing: Fast
T2 Dispatch: Disabled
http://www.abload.de/img/ffdzyo.jpg
05-24-2008, 04:28 AM
Praz

Don't know what the problem is there. There should be several hundred MB/s difference in Read and a difference in Latency depending on how the Enhanced settings are configured.
05-24-2008, 04:38 AM
merlin76

With BIOS versions prior 1/11 I saw differences in bandwith and latency, with 1/11 and 3/14 it does not seem to matter anymore. I don't know, either. :)
05-24-2008, 05:09 AM
Praz

The only board I have set up at the moment is the UT x48. I'll check what it does. Might be able to point DFI to these posts and find out what's going on.
05-24-2008, 05:12 AM
merlin76

That's nice, thanks.
05-24-2008, 11:46 AM
Martinm210

I went ahead and made my order for this board a few minutes ago..:up:

This review was convincing enough for me..

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/revie...ng-review.html

:up:
05-24-2008, 11:53 AM
ZenEffect

after spending a week figuring out this mobo, and tweaking it out. ive come to 2 conclusion. #1 latency on dfi is approx 2ns slower than my asus, and read bandwidth is about 100/mb less however ive been able to run @ the same speed before w/ lower overall volts and my read + write are about 200mb faster. perhaps i have more tweaking to do but im at a kind of a stand still atm. dont know where else i can get a bit more performance from other than more fsb or cpu freq.

i wil post up my full settings w/ bandwidth screen shots @ around 3pst. thanks in advance for any suggestions. :)
05-24-2008, 01:52 PM
TouGe

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenEffect

after spending a week figuring out this mobo, and tweaking it out. ive come to 2 conclusion. #1 latency on dfi is approx 2ns slower than my asus, and read bandwidth is about 100/mb less however ive been able to run @ the same speed before w/ lower overall volts and my read + write are about 200mb faster. perhaps i have more tweaking to do but im at a kind of a stand still atm. dont know where else i can get a bit more performance from other than more fsb or cpu freq.

i wil post up my full settings w/ bandwidth screen shots @ around 3pst. thanks in advance for any suggestions. :)

I've noticed this as well. I have nothing left to tweak as far as memory goes and I'm a little slower on the bandwidth and latency. I experienced the same thing with the DFI 680i when comparing it to my P5K-D and EVGA 680i. I can also confirm that this board runs at much lower volts than my Formula Rampage conversion but wasn't that the point of the x48 chipset, the higher binned north bridge?

I think my memory's holding me back at the moment. I couldn't run my 4x1GB Mushkin's on this board so now I am using 2x2GB OCZ Flex II's. For some reason I am having issues running the 400 strap @ 400MHz w/o losening my timmings too much.
05-24-2008, 01:56 PM
Jokah

Hi, I just bought the UT mobo and I have some problem to run my ram at stock speed its a Gskill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK, anyone who use this ram please can share the exact settings?
05-24-2008, 02:08 PM
ZenEffect

memset is still reading my tRTP values as 2 higher than set in bios. is this a known issue w/ the software? :shrug:

quick s/c @ 1200

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...6/cachemem.png

once again, slower than my asus... but still nothing to sneeze at.

*edit*
also, i can not just set +1.4v in bios as it crashes and i have to reset cmos, however i can set +1.4v in bios if i use the special vid section. is this something w/ the board i should be worried about?

*edit edit*

ok NOW we are getting somewhere. latency is still not as low as on the asus HOWEVER ive exceeded read, write, and copy bandwidth.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...cachemem-1.png

apparently i left the pull ins on auto instead of enabling them to get pl7
also tweaked tREF from stock 3120T to 14592T in memset. that netted me 200 more mb read and almost 2ns less latency. now to stability test it. i expect it to pass w/ flying colors as ive done so before w/ same settings. just re-checking at this point.. 2 hours orthos ram test and im calling it a day. this dfi is getting better and better every day :D
05-24-2008, 03:52 PM
TouGe

Great job clocking your RAM Zen:up:. Really impressed.

Quote:

memset is still reading my tRTP values as 2 higher than set in bios. is this a known issue w/ the software?

I've got tRTP set to 3 in BIOS but MemSet 3.5 sees it as 5 as well. All other values are reported correctly.
05-24-2008, 09:59 PM
ZenEffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouGe

Great job clocking your RAM Zen:up:. Really impressed.

cost me $45 after rebate :D

*edit*
had to set trfc to 50 to stabilize it. apparently 46 is too tight :rolleyes:

here are my ram settings. the only thing i tweaked in memset was what i mentioned before.

Code:

DRAM Timing - Enhance Data transmitting: Fast - Enhance Addressing: Fast - T2 Dispatch: Enabled Clock Setting Fine Delay Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: More Agressive - DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current - DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current - Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current - Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: More Agressive - DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current - DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current - Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current - Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: More Agressive Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto (where cpuz sees 1T or 2T SETTING) CAS Latency Time (tCL):5 RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD):5 RAS# Precharge (tRP):5 Precharge Delay (tRAS):18 All Precharge to Act: 5 REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 50 Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD):8 Read delay phase adjust: Enter Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0) - Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: Enabled Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0) - Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: Enabled - Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: Enabled MCH ODT Latency: 8 Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 14 Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3 Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8 Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): 5 Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): 5 Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): 8 Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3 ALL PRE to Refresh: 3

500fsb has a lot to do with my bandwidth atm :cool:
05-25-2008, 12:47 AM
karateo

what are the available waterblocks for the PWM?
I have been looking on some UK e-shops but I haven't found any :(
05-25-2008, 01:16 AM
zanzabar

i had messaged jimmyz about a custom one he said that it was doable but never went through with it, since i never raised the money for liquid
05-25-2008, 02:41 AM
Sauron_Vie

If i set the read delay phase to enabled i got a complete nogo, on auto it works. whats the clue for read delay phase ??

Currently i am using the cellshock pc9200 sticks with D9GKX chips.

tia
05-25-2008, 02:54 AM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauron_Vie

If i set the read delay phase to enabled i got a complete nogo, on auto it works. whats the clue for read delay phase ??

Currently i am using the cellshock pc9200 sticks with D9GKX chips.

tia

try e-a-e-e-e/e-a-a-e-e

and u will need 1.5V+ on the NB, and u may have problems on cas5 from 1000-1150 with gkx so use 4-4-4-10 in those spaces
05-25-2008, 02:58 AM
Sauron_Vie

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

try e-a-e-e-e/e-a-a-e-e

and u will need 1.5V+ on the NB, and u may have problems on cas5 from 1000-1150 so use 4-4-4-10 in those spaces

ok, thx mate for the hint. i will try and report... ;)

tia
05-25-2008, 04:05 AM
Sauron_Vie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

try e-a-e-e-e/e-a-a-e-e

and u will need 1.5V+ on the NB, and u may have problems on cas5 from 1000-1150 with gkx so use 4-4-4-10 in those spaces

Tried your settings and it´s working fine, but can´t raise fsb against 440 cause with this "small" watercooling. hope the cascade will be ready soon.

Thx mate :clap:

for now i reached this:
05-25-2008, 10:00 AM
Jor3lBR

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{PWM}Waterblock

Quote:

Originally Posted by karateo

what are the available waterblocks for the PWM?
I have been looking on some UK e-shops but I haven't found any :(

Recently I got a 8 pieces shipment to USA from vcore.dk (Group Buy I organized here in XSF), they got the HK Sw-16 from Watercool.de the best your money can buy for the X38, X48 or P35...(Made in Germany).

Try here: vcore.dk
05-25-2008, 10:39 AM
ZenEffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauron_Vie

Tried your settings and it´s working fine, but can´t raise fsb against 440 cause with this "small" watercooling. hope the cascade will be ready soon.

Thx mate :clap:

for now i reached this:

now use memeset and change your tREF from 4041T to 16383T and watch what happens :up:
since you are using only 2 gigs, you should be just fine. i find that the tREF on this board is tuned for 4+ gigs of ram...
05-25-2008, 01:38 PM
Sauron_Vie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenEffect

now use memeset and change your tREF from 4041T to 16383T and watch what happens :up:
since you are using only 2 gigs, you should be just fine. i find that the tREF on this board is tuned for 4+ gigs of ram...

thks for the further hint buddy.

have changed the tref on fsb 440 and got this:

Attachment 79291

and got this now fsb 450:

Attachment 79292

thks for the great tipps :up:

maybe i will reach the 460 but tomorrow i have to change the radiator :D

greets
05-25-2008, 02:19 PM
zanzabar

are u realy using 1.6V on a 45nm chip, thats not a good idea
05-25-2008, 02:33 PM
Sauron_Vie

saw it after the reboot and in everest. dont know why but probably i changed it by mistake with the other Voltages, but it´s already changed again to 1,35V. it was my fault.

tia
05-25-2008, 02:36 PM
TouGe

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenEffect

now use memeset and change your tREF from 4041T to 16383T and watch what happens :up:
since you are using only 2 gigs, you should be just fine. i find that the tREF on this board is tuned for 4+ gigs of ram...

Good call on the tREF Zen. I just started messing with this now that I've tightened every DRAM timming in the BIOS. I'm already seeing an increase Rd/wt/copy and decrease in latency with just a small bump, 3120T to 4041T, in tREF.
I'm running 3 instances of MemTest to 100% between jumps so it might take a while but I'll post a before and after when I'm all done.

Thanks:up:
05-25-2008, 04:26 PM
Bitgod

Do you guys like using OCCT? I hadn't tried it until this system, always used Prime 95. I'm trying to figure out why OCCT fails after 5 mins at the current speed, but Prime 95 had no problems doing 4 threads for 3 hours. I don't consider 3 hours a final test, I usually go 8-9 hours for that, I just hadn't settled on a final setup yet. Should I trust OCCT and assume that P95 just hasn't caught what OCCT has?
05-25-2008, 04:30 PM
zfactor

well x38 is gone so ill be here with the x48 soon as i get it.. cant wait for it!!!
05-25-2008, 04:57 PM
zfactor

can someone please explain the issue with the 3807x2 what is the problem exactly??
05-25-2008, 10:24 PM
TouGe

ZenEffect

When you set tREF in MemSet does it save your settings upon reboot? I can set tREF to 14592T and run Everest cache and bandwidth benchmark and see the improvements but once a reboot MemSet resets tREF to 4041T. Is there a way I can make this change permenent so that I don't have to reset tREF everytime I boot my computer?

Thanks.

..................................................

Nevermind, figured it out. You first have to delete your old save before you can apply a new one.
05-25-2008, 11:51 PM
MacClipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by zfactor

can someone please explain the issue with the 3807x2 what is the problem exactly??

http://csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5931
05-26-2008, 06:17 AM
wilson

Ok now ive managed to get 4005Ghz stable on my E8400 but i need 1.39v as any lower i fail in occt. Without sounding stupid how can i get my v-core to 1.38v and stay there as ive tried the 100.23% with almost all volt settings and i can get 1.39 constant or 1.39 idle and 1.37 load but this make`s occt fail. If i could get 1.38v to stick at load and idle then i would be happy as i could test it in occt because 1.39 seems alot for a 4ghz overclock..
05-26-2008, 08:08 AM
emoners

what are good DDR3s that could nicely go with this board?
05-26-2008, 09:07 AM
ZenEffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by emoners

what are good DDR3s that could nicely go with this board?

this is a ddr2 motherboard...
05-26-2008, 10:28 AM
wilson

Ive just run occt for a 2nd time just to be sure im 100% stable with the following settings. This has taken me 4 days to get right:rofl: and these are the only settings that give me a pass.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/ocstable.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/settings.jpg

I have my GTL`s @ 85 83 66 .
05-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Big Lar

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilson

Ive just run occt for a 2nd time just to be sure im 100% stable with the following settings. This has taken me 4 days to get right:rofl: and these are the only settings that give me a pass.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/ocstable.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/settings.jpg

I have my GTL`s @ 85 83 66 .

Just for a try, maybe try 1.104v VTT and 65/64/63 for the GTL's. Until I refined the GTLs on my setup, my settings were just about the same as yours, except my NB shows 1.45V in SG.(1.479v in bios). Just trying to help.

Larry
05-26-2008, 03:50 PM
davewolfs

Can this board run stable with 4 sticks and 8GB or not really recommend?
05-26-2008, 04:19 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by davewolfs

Can this board run stable with 4 sticks and 8GB or not really recommend?

it will do 4sticks of the gskll 1000 (8GB) at 1080
05-26-2008, 06:18 PM
emoners

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenEffect

this is a ddr2 motherboard...

oppss sorry, i had multiple tabs opened in firefox :D
05-27-2008, 12:09 AM
BadNizze

Anyone tryd DFI Lanparty UT X48-T2R? Getting my today aswell as an E7200 ;) Is there anything I should know before I boot here upp for the first time? Issues, Buggs...?

System
E7200
DFI Lanparty UT X48-T2R
Corsair Dominator PC8888 CL4\Cellshock PC9200 CL5
2600XT
Corsair HX520W
05-27-2008, 12:13 AM
zanzabar

the UT adn LT are the same board so it dosnt matter

and dont get teh 7x00 they have 3MB of cash and thats a huge drawback, but there shouldent be any problems except some GKX based ram dosnt do cas 5
05-27-2008, 05:46 AM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

the UT adn LT are the same board so it dosnt matter

and dont get teh 7x00 they have 3MB of cash and thats a huge drawback, but there shouldent be any problems except some GKX based ram dosnt do cas 5

yup gkx a pain on this board lol but it loves gmh
05-27-2008, 06:24 AM
CrapCrasher

Anyone was successfully able to run the g.skill 8500 ram with this mobo at its supposed speed (1066mhz)? If so please share me the bios settings cause I have big trouble actually running this ram.
Between the ram works, I've successfully tested it on my friend pc which had an Asus Rampage Formula mobo and it worked flawless at 1066mhz, so it's not the ram fault but some bios settings on the DFI mobo.
05-27-2008, 08:21 AM
mustrum

If the X48 DFI is anything like the X38 the standard settings are simpley way too tight for most ram modules. Check memory settings and set them from turbo to normal or maybe fast. Turbo is simply not working with many PC1066 modules out there (including my apogee GT's).
05-27-2008, 09:19 AM
BadNizze

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

the UT adn LT are the same board so it dosnt matter

and dont get teh 7x00 they have 3MB of cash and thats a huge drawback, but there shouldent be any problems except some GKX based ram dosnt do cas 5

Intresting... My DFI 790Fx does not like Gkx either, DFI bugg mayby? Anyway got windows installd and my Dominators are running great. Know i shall have a look at Eva2000 X38 Bios template!
05-27-2008, 01:52 PM
palese

My CellShock D9Gkx runs great on this board with no issues.
05-27-2008, 06:12 PM
adya

i just discovered t2 dispatch. i set it to enable and went from 56ns to 53.4.
finally found something that works lol.
Anyone know any other timing related tweaks that could improve memory performance?

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14722054743.jpg[/IMG]
05-27-2008, 06:53 PM
zanzabar

u need a bigger screen shot or a cropped with the everst/mem set

if those are double sided balistex try 333/800 with 5-5-5-15 with aggressive on your sub timings and e-a-e-e-e/e-a-a-e-e for your phases, and u will need like 2.15V ram and 1.5-1.55V NB

and set your performance lvl so its the same on both banks (8 or7) and set the same for mhc latency
05-27-2008, 07:14 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrapCrasher

Anyone was successfully able to run the g.skill 8500 ram with this mobo at its supposed speed (1066mhz)? If so please share me the bios settings cause I have big trouble actually running this ram.
Between the ram works, I've successfully tested it on my friend pc which had an Asus Rampage Formula mobo and it worked flawless at 1066mhz, so it's not the ram fault but some bios settings on the DFI mobo.

i gettin some mushkin redline 2x2 8000 this week hope they good lol
05-27-2008, 07:16 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by adya

i just discovered t2 dispatch. i set it to enable and went from 56ns to 53.4.
finally found something that works lol.
Anyone know any other timing related tweaks that could improve memory performance?

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/14722054743.jpg[/IMG]

you need to tweak the ram a bit more bandwidth a bit slow
05-27-2008, 07:29 PM
adya

yeah i know its abit slow.
two are single sided two are dble sided.cant get dble sided anymore they dont make em.:down:
ive tried a few other settings but lost stability. ill try phases like u suggest ,thanks .
i set mhc and performance level to 8 and lost stability ,so i took out the 2x 1gb single sided modules.
ill see how i go with 2 gb of dlbe sided instead of 4 gb with mixed types. i did get 52 ns with 2gb of dble sided as oposed to 53.4 with 4gb mixed.
i think crusial lied to me when they said single sided modules perform better than the older doulble sided, thats why they dont make them anymore.
seems like there either wrong or lieing.
05-27-2008, 09:18 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by adya

yeah i know its abit slow.
two are single sided two are dble sided.cant get dble sided anymore they dont make em.:down:
ive tried a few other settings but lost stability. ill try phases like u suggest ,thanks .
i set mhc and performance level to 8 and lost stability ,so i took out the 2x 1gb single sided modules.
ill see how i go with 2 gb of dlbe sided instead of 4 gb with mixed types. i did get 52 ns with 2gb of dble sided as oposed to 53.4 with 4gb mixed.
i think crusial lied to me when they said single sided modules perform better than the older doulble sided, thats why they dont make them anymore.
seems like there either wrong or lieing.

damn shame cause the last good batches are incredible 2.03v=1230mhz
got some redline commin i wanna save my 4 sticks i'd hate to rma em
hope those new chips get better in the future n u burn urs n get better ones
05-27-2008, 09:33 PM
adya

yep , its alot more stable now that i took the single sided modules out. no more c1 errors etc.
it is a shame because its almost impossible to get double sided modules now. ill have to use my crucials for boomarang practice and just buy some new sets. was thinking mushkins or gskill.
05-27-2008, 09:47 PM
zanzabar

mushkin and gskill have no revD microns, u have to go team or cell shock or year old modules that are hard to find

or risk tank guys and get the gmh 1000mhz team thats back in stock
http://www.tankguys.com/product_info...oducts_id=1809

or some cell shock
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl5.html

ignore those ur OZ sorry
05-27-2008, 10:03 PM
adya

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

mushkin and gskill have no revD microns, u have to go team or cell shock or year old modules that are hard to find

or risk tank guys and get the gmh 1000mhz team thats back in stock
http://www.tankguys.com/product_info...oducts_id=1809

or some cell shock
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl5.html

ignore those ur OZ sorry

thanks for that , ill look at one of those then. Those team modules look ugly without heatspreaders, but i heard there good overclockers.
do u know if either have any issues with this board?
05-27-2008, 10:16 PM
zanzabar

thats what i use, but the 667 rated ones

and they come with a spreader unless u ask for no spreader
05-27-2008, 10:25 PM
Brother Esau

Hey , Guys just wanted to stop in and say Hi:welcome:
How are all you fellas doing? Praz , emoaners , etc;)http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...ot_fun-1-1.gif
05-27-2008, 10:47 PM
zanzabar

are u the GIF master now
05-27-2008, 10:54 PM
Brother Esau

Why you opposed to a little color to Brighten you're Day?:)
05-27-2008, 11:03 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Why you opposed to a little color to Brighten you're Day?:)

not really, now we just need some dead some lsd and the E-golden gate park
05-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Brother Esau

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

not really, now we just need some dead some lsd and the E-golden gate park

Ahhhh...The Good O'l Days;)
05-28-2008, 04:08 AM
emoners

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Hey , Guys just wanted to stop in and say Hi:welcome:
How are all you fellas doing? Praz , emoaners , etc;)http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...ot_fun-1-1.gif

ey Brother...i like your GIFs!:up:
will be jumping into the X48 soon...of course DFI! :D
05-28-2008, 05:50 AM
CrapCrasher

Anybody can share its bios settings for a stable OC a 8x450mhz 24/7 usage (I have the Q9450 cpu), if this aint work I will consider 8x425 or 8x400 solutions, I really care on stability, thanks in advance.
05-28-2008, 12:38 PM
RobPuba

Question ???

I'm thinking about getting the UT version of this board...... But I seen alot of post about G-Skills memory. I have the DDR2-800, will it give me any problems :confused:
05-28-2008, 01:31 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobPuba

I'm thinking about getting the UT version of this board...... But I seen alot of post about G-Skills memory. I have the DDR2-800, will it give me any problems :confused:

nope just oc them with 2.1V and 5-5-5-15 adn u will be good

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