Hey Brother is it okay if I use this BIOS flashing method because I don't have a floppy drive:
http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1136
Hey Brother is it okay if I use this BIOS flashing method because I don't have a floppy drive:
http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1136
Yeah of course it is:) Logans a good dude and did allot of hard work putting that Tutorial together for folks with out Floppy Drives to use;) Just remember its better to do the double flash method that I describe and all you need to do is Edit the AUTOEXEC.BAT File as Loggan says and add /E to the Switching Parameters at the end this way you will be brought back to A:\ Prompt so that you may repeat the Process.
I am just partial to my Old Dinosaur :p:
Update: 4/15/2008 Beta is Stable on my end with same settings that I had with 1/30/2008 Official:clap: same Low Voltage Overclock I had working on 1/30/2008 :up:
Argh, this CPU is driving me crazy lol:confused:. I must have missed something:shrug:.
I got it to run 13x210 8h+ stable at 1.3V and only at 40C in Core Temp. But as soon as I start to approach anything higher the PC locks up just after loading Windows, or it doesnt start the Ati CCC in system tray. I can move my mouse around, but do nothing, not even press 'start'. Or it loads nothing in system tray (still can move mouse). Adding upto 1.4Vcore doesnt help.
NB multi is 9 and HT 8 (to be sure HT doesnt run higher than NB). RAM is at the 667 devider with 195ns TRFC.
So yeah... wtf? Maybe I should see if flashing to 07-03 BIOS to see if that would make it better. But I feel like I should first try to see if I can 'solve' another way.
Try 14x200 @ 1.2500 set in PWM NB @ Default Multi = 2ghz HT Link Speed @ 2ghz 16 Bit address extension
Nope, it froze up while loading XP64 with the loading bar:(.
I'm curious what types of cooler people are using on these CPU's.
As you can see from my sig I'm overclocking my current 6400x2BE at standard voltage, with idle temps reported by Everest of 32>33 celcius and 28>29 as reported by Core Temp.
Saying only 40 degrees scares me.
I reckon cooling plays a big part in OC capabilities, not just the CPU but the whole case cooling/ventilation.:cool:
Put that Six Shooter away and use your common sense please;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I will 'Quote" Myself from a Post I made a few pages Back:yepp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
My cooling is alright:cool:. Thermal Right Ultra Extreme 120 with 130cfm 120mm fan. Case, which has its side panel removed atm anyhow, is Silverstone TJ-10. Ive a 70mm (from AMD stock cooler) at PWM's and behind the I/O panel on the back I smashed a 60mm fan in exhausting hot PWM air:yepp:.
Temps are really not a big concern, Im fine as long it's around 50C, not too much over it though since summer will make ambient rise heh.
It's just I can barely OC this thing which seems strange. Of course CPU's don't have a 'guaranteed' OC, but this is just strange as adding Vcore doesnt help :banana::banana::banana::banana: all:shrug:.
You don't get out much do you? I wanted more than anything to get Vista 64 Bit but many , many , many people on this forum have documented that there is Indeed a Issue with Phenom and Windows XP 64 Bit & Vista 64 Bit:yepp: thats why I am running Vista 32 Bit:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Also if there is anything that you should have learned by my constant Psycho Babble and carrying ons with 4 Part Harmony and full orchestration is that AMD Processors DO NOT respond well to High Voltage!
Right now I am Priming @ 2800mhz Vcore @1.24375 which equals Less then 1.23Vcore (Real)- Vdimm @ 1.80v - NBvoltage @ 1.200 - PCI-E NBv @ 1.200 - NB-HTvoltage @ 1.230
X14 200HT ~ NB @2GHZ HT-Linkwidth 2ghz 16 Bit address extension 1066 Divider set Ram @ 5-5-5-18 trc 23 195ns
WTF, you mean really issues as with OC results? Still strange as I got 13x210 earlier, but although I got to admit I never ever froze up in Windows but still being able to move the mouse around which I found quite strange. I know a freeze in general means lack of Vcore, but then it should freeze al together (I guess at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Well, I never searched in that way, so might try it out then. Just as I bought my very first legit Windows OS:rofl:. Anyway, Ill try that then yes.
Reason why I ask some questions which might have been answereds (multiple times) earlier is cause I didnt have a Phenom lol. As there are about 3~4 big Phenom + X2 mixed threads it's a distaster to find an eventual solution.
I have some qs for you DFI users with Phenoms;
- Does speedfan still kill/crash your board?
- Do you still have voltage problems with only special add option giving you increase Vcore?
- Whats max vCore added through BIOS special add option without changing VID?
- Does AOD now work with your boards without crashing, at all?
- Can you change VID in BIOS and still set low CnQ VID/Volts?
- How much difference in options is there in the BIOS for M2R vs M2RS?
- Do you still have whacko temp feedbacks compared to all other 700 series boards? [most likely :p:]
- What's the best Phenom BIOS you have?
- Have you worked out what these options are or what they affect yet?
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7512/htlinkhm5.png
Reason I'm asking is, I'm picking up the board this weekend most likely, since... well.. uncle told me he has a few spare at work now :D
Hey Tye;) Will help you out and see But new 4/15/08 Beta is Really nice and has updated Phenom Micro Code and I forsee D.F.I coming out swinging with the Bios Release now that Phenom B3 Revision is out and doing so well:)
Ahem...Just what exactly is it that your Uncle Does to get all of this Bichen Hardware laying around all over the Joint?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Also I am House Trained and Make a Great Companion .........Please tell you're Uncle to Adopt me.....I mean Really!!!!!!:D
C'mon Tye spill it!!! Is your Uncle Shamino or KingPin or something or just addicted to Digital CRACK???
I have that BIOS and the wonderful trusty FDD to carry it in (;)) ... but what about my qs Camp :confused: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Nothing special. It's a Government sector science corporation he manages and typically desktop components are cheap compared to the rest of the equipment so no one bothers too much about one going missing.. for them. So when he has spares, usually testers, I continuously nag his secretary to keep updating me and pick up anything I like to play with after his permission with the condition I don't damage it and that I return it to him all in one piece. TBH everything I have in IT equip is from there :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I asked yesterday and he had a boxed spare DFI not being used so I asked him to reserve it for me for weekend pickup, that's all. PITA to drive 800 miles there and back though! :mad:
Have it collected and shipped, not worth the juice money driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
3xUT790FX -M2R arrived today, will work thru them as they are a different rev to the board I already had.
Yea that's what I would do but I have to be there in person and sign docs. Doesn't matter, I need to see someone there anyway but I hope its not snowing when on motorway again.
What rev was your first board and the new ones Tony?
No I mean as in you need to Take into Account that the Memory Controller is in the CPU itself so more is affected directly then just the CPUQuote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Update:....Houston We have Lift Off!!! The X15 Multi is now Functioning correctly..No Freezes...No Random Weird Behavior..... its like Night & Day Compared to 1/30/08 Official .....way to go D.F.I ....Now we just need confirmation from some Dare Devils that AMD Overdrive is not still a steaming pile of dog doo-doo on this board:yepp: Any takers?????
Well, installed XP. Then things became worse software side:mad:. Somehow both computers here freaking fail to download a non-corrupted version of dutch SP2.
I gave up after 20 times up and down stairs with USB stick. Then I simply decided to 'sod it' and run Prime on vanilla XP. Core 3 and 4 crashed right away and 1st and 2nd were going though. But then lock up. So I thought, maybe I should install AMD DC Optimizer? But well, loaded into Windows again and it BSOD'd:shakes:.
So Ill give the XP installation another try by trying to get non-corrupted SP2 packs and install as much updates as I know. Then run Prime95 again to see. At least it loads into Windows a lot better, but on the otherhand as I said, Ive no simple driver installed for anything since SP2 is missing, but ít's a requirement for a lot of drivers.
^Do yourself a favor and don't run Prime ;)
Rather, bench the setting and then start using it daily, i.e. games or whatever usage you want, but make sure to leave it on.
If its unstable, sooner or later within 10-20 hours it'll fail by freezing or crashing. Freezing will show instabilty and throws teh power draw up, back down MHz or increase volts, then test again. Freezing occurs when screen motion freezes apart from mouse movement which only freezes after a while of fast movement and clicking. I'm widely acknowledged expert in this last Phenom phenomena :D
Then, if you do manage to find something that runs smooth without error, first try rebooting a few cycles to see it loads faultless each time and if that passes, finally -> P95 test it.
Keep things constant each time, only moving one parameter. You will need to test a alot.
I've tried all the methods, this one worked best for Phenom. It'll save you much PITA and wife pillow beating :p:
Perhaps I should give this one a try......Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Wanting to try the 15 multiplier tonight, so far thats all I have changed.
And AOD locks things up tight, heck, all I did was change from novice to advanced, hit apply and bang.....:rolleyes:
Well, I dont have games installed ATM. Usually I Prime, if that's good, try higher. If it doesnt want higher I install games and take cigars out:p:.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I just read in the MSI thread about Phenom and the issue with freezing while idle. I just put 1.35Vcore, 1.3Vnb and 14x CPU multi. And it's Priming... Tough i got to be honest I loaded it rather quick, so maybe if my problem was indeed idle-ing, I might have skipped the idle problem.
Still, I really love this Phenom. Of course I very much hope to get 3Ghz+ but the playing part is funny, although a bit frustrating.
43C Load btw at 2.8Ghz. But Ill mix your advice a bit KTE, after 8h Prime Ill let it idle a long time. What do you mean with idle anyway, just keep it on and not even touching it? Or web browsing and such?
Also Ive to say, if it's of any use, Phenom OC's which were instable on XP and froze at XP64 sometimes corrupted XP64 install... I never experienced CPU's causing corruptions, though this is only my 4th PC Im OCing, AFAIK I never got that... Might something else be affected by CPU speed and cause corruption? (IF, of course, CPU's CANT cause corruptions).
Idling as it mentions means daily general use, rather than leaving it. Just use it for whatever you want but make sure to use it for something and not full load stability testings.
Your BIOSes are known to under-report temps, they added offsets which fault the original temp readouts. Your first ones were too high and your current ones are too low compared to actual readouts. Usually -15C is what I'm seeing from real. The second I move onto your board I'll show you by how much your board temp readouts are wrecked by comparing the two - most likely by 10-15C as I saw looking at all values around.
OC's corrupting systems is not unusual, and happens if its very unstable especially IMC/RAM being very unstable. ;)
I went to the shop just a sec ago. And when not behind PC's I try to think about the stuff I might have picked up.
So I think, if I read most stuff right and didnt forget the most important stuff with my shortminded very selective brain, CPU core(s) can be tested with Prime.
But the IMC cant. You said in MSI thread, that when idle you got lock ups. But IIRC, that was with OC'd IMC too right? Im at this moment testing pure CPU multiplier OCíng. No HTT, IMC or HT multipliers changed.
Though it doesnt mean automatically that the 'fix' is to leave IMC at stock since I used the IMC multiplier at 9x while testing the HTT and it crapped out anyhow, while at lower CPU speed it was fine again. Ive the IMC at 1.3V stock speeds and the CPU 1.35V and 14x200 Priming. Still got to test idle of course, but I do hope I made some sort of idea clear what I actually mean here?
Only been testing with Phenom for one day now so Ive not a lot of experience yet, but I think there is something else going on then simply 'HTT is universal, and we got 3 different multipliers for :banana::banana::banana::banana:z 'n gigglez'. I guess there must be somehow some sort of ratio for at least the IMC and CPU, be it Voltage and/or speed wise, where it feels happy.
At least, IF idle is stable as well, I hope I can keep going on with multiplier only clocking for a while.
And for the temps, I know BIOS/motherboard readings are more often inaccurate than accurate. This temp is with Core Temp, and yet again, not 100% of course, but I dont think it would differ by more than 5C anyway. Also, I think Core Temp already has the Phenom temperature formula calculated right?
The instability is only when overclocked past the core limit, not just IMC, but the core. P95 doesn't test stability of all core regions but one, FPU.
Temps, as far as I know they are correct from cores on all boards but DFI/Sapphire where they're either too low or two high from one BIOS to another. It's the BIOS that's cusing it now anything else. Your EVEREST CPU "diode" reading should be about 10C less than the core reading, since diode is outisde of the core on the anode/cathode pins. That's consistent on all CPUs which have an internal and external diode. Stock 9850BE, TT120 gave me 48C load at 20C ambient on the MSI and the Abit board. TRUE bettered it by 2C and Xig bettered it by a further 2C.
I will chime in about the MSI board not being stable at "every day use Idle" Prime95 runs fine, Idle with nothing open causes no problems, but if I open up for instance outlook and leave it open, BOOM crash within 30 minutes.
Specs are as follows:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=346252
With vcore @ 1.336 and NB @ 1.225
Ok, that clears things up then:D.
Is there a way to compensate by clocking the IMC lower and CPU higher for example?
K, nevermind, that doesnt work.
Just finished 2.8Ghz Prime 6h+ stable, like 1 minute messing around after I stopped it and BSOD:p:.
Now Priming 14.5x200. 15x200 froze at start up, but 14.5 doesnt. Priming not anymore for the 8h+, just a little while so I know that part is stable(ish).
Ill dig in the MSI+Phenom thread KTE, where you had some results noted (think it was you lol).
I'm trying to find a stability testing method which does work for Phenom since this problem can crop up on all MFG boards so far. Have not found anything yet apart from general usage first and foremost but I'm going to give PassMark Burn-In Test a try as it loads all the area's I need to check for stability running them against pre-determined calculation values. So, far easier to catch minor instability. ;)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1245/pmbrdj9.png
Simply, I'll run it on a setting I know passes P95 but fails general stability and see if it can find error as well as running it at a setting completely in error for both P95/WISE and lastly for a setting that is known fully stable. WIll post results when I have 'em.
What of CoreTemp is that accurate?
Bout the Best I ca do for you Tye ATM but will submit more Date and bring you up to speed. So.....Stand By To Stand By:DQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
newest speedfan beta works here, but i had luck non beta version did not shoot my board only shutdown and no reboot without cmos clear..
don't use it at the moment, cpu-fans are regulated by pwm-temperature here :D
max vcore by special vid is 1,5v (=125%) at least (with 1,2v VID at default)..
I'll have mine up tonight with Vista 64.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
SPEED FAN is a Killer and best to avoid it and its not neccessary to begin with! Use Smart Guardian and Core Temp thats all you need:up:
Will this run in Vista 64?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I really like HWmonitor also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Keithlm had a corrupted bios after running sandra.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Both work, even in conjunction.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
think it was 133%, not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
On startup AOD applies an 1.25V vcore and 1.3V CPU and NB VID. Also 1.8V is applied to the ram. Seems it can not read the real values. I guess if you use AOD only it will work with modest bios settings working at startup applied voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Don't remeber I reported about thos issues round page #24 here a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Had best results ref HT wise with 3-07, the latest beta seems to be good but i have not yet tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Sapphire has a bios manual which describes those settings, have not yet played with em.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/driverfiles/417.pdf
BTW: I'm really happy with the xigmatec here, thank's for the recommendation. Getting ~8°C lower temps than with the BigTyphoon under load. In idle the temps are equal.
OK so my nice new 9850BE has been running at stock doing AVI to MPEG2 conversions for most of the day, fast rock solid stable, RAM at 1066MHZ.
So I decide to try upping the multiplier to 14, as you can see in the BIOS screen.http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...en(Medium).jpg
Yet CPUZ still say I'm at stock.http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...7/CPUZ9850.jpg
Using the latest Beta BIOS 415, obviously I'm missing something but I don't have a clue what.:shrug:
Any help greatly appreciated.
Try it with Cool and Quiet disabled please.Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
Set 1.2500 Vcore as you do not need stock voltage defaults on these Phenom and also turn off TLB Cache Fix too
:D :D Thanks guys, now running at 2.8Ghz idle temp is 32, just love the Zalman 9700.
Next thing is to get my memory timings a bit tighter.
I'll just let it work away over the weekend, sort of a burn in period, then see how far it will go next week.:up:
I agree with that assumption as well Achim:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
flashed new beta...
now cpu-temp idle is much too low...
8°C lol
besides that i'm priming :D
Did you Flash the way I recommended one page back Oli?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
aye :yepp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
How do you get regular numbers in your bios????
I got Hex....
Is it the beta bios??? I got to guess......heh :fart:
I am going to flash tonight though, hopefully theres a store here with Floppys...heh
EDIT:
Brother Esau, you got a link for the 4/15/2008????
Never mind, found it..... :D
One thing I notice thats a definite with these Bios Release is that what will excel at Dual Core will yield different opinion and view on Phenom and vise versa I would Imagine:confused: I guess its a very fine line and Juggling match balancing the Bios work for K8 - K10:yepp:
yeah think so either, but besides temps, i don't think these biosses must decrease in x2 performance naturally if being optimised for phenom..
i think theres profiles for phenom and x2 cpu and they both mature in parallel?
but perhaps some global chipset settings will be on the phenom or x2 side...
hey Brother Esau is it possible to get the OCZ DDR2 PC2-9200 FlexXLC to work at 1066mhz without that spd modification.
WIth the newest bios of course with the microcode update ?
Tried to flash again, and again a part number mismatch......
Words cant describe how ticked I am right now.....
I wrote down the number on the bottom of the post screen.
12/11/2007-RD790-SB600-6A66AD4ZC
I know it's an M2R, I am totallt lost as to why it wont flash.....
No But I can send you the SPD File that I used but you use it at you're own risk of course:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by hive
But I have to admit allot have joined the ranks with owning this Board and giving AMD a chance with the new line up of their technology and the thread is really starting to take shape more and more as new users join in and participate. Very exciting Indeed !
You fellas will see as anticipated D.F.I will come out swinging hard on the up and coming Bios Release just you wait and see;)
@BortherEsau: Have you tried an 11x nb multi with an 14x cpu multi? If so what voltages does the cpu need for that?
Here it's 1.3125/1.275V.
Did you do any special memory tweaking to get this 1.275V at 2.8GHz stable?
None at all Achmin just patience and logic through simplicity is all that was needed:) One thing I can say as a hunch but I think this is very true when I say that HT Bus Overclocking Is Not needed and kid=nd of a moot point when everything can be clocked independently;) I think only a assumption at this point is that people go wrong with the Phenom and this board by being locked into the K8 Clocking frame of mind and how we applied overclocking the old way. As RGone said you must let go of the old thoughts and start with the new when approaching overclocking Phenom and I have to agree with him on that most definitely:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
P.S.....Does anyone have a Updated Bios Template from Bios 1/30/2008 or onward that I can have a copy of so I don't have to redue and Edit the 11/22/07 Bios Template I made for all of you nice folks in this thread way back when I was the Only Man on Planet Earth that owned this Board:rofl: :D
JustApost.....Give me you're Bios Template or No Soup For you! :ROTF: ;) JK....Send me that Template if you would Achim and I'll post my settings:)
...
Sorry for snivveling so much.....:(
I posted my issue at DFI globul support forum.
I was having a cigarette craving, one of the worst since I quit 2 weeks ago,
I will shut up now and enjoy what I got till I get this resolved.....:up:
I'm so pissed something just fell in my CPU socket:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4...ter2159sh7.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8...ter2160nq2.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/167/phenomoo5.jpg
So I used the stock cooler for a little break in because the "mini" ninja is a motherless ***** to install.
I'm going to play some 2142 tonight as the first test. :)
Well I got my first phenom end of last december and had started ocing a month before with x2's. So no old habits in the way here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
You're right ht bus overclocking is useless, but lowering em gave me no benefits here also.
The NB is not really independant from the cpu frequency. At 2.8GHz she needs ~1.3V to run at 2.2GHz. At 2.9GHz ~1.4V are required here.
I tested the 9850BE in the M3A two days ago and found that the third core is the weakes. The board has a downcore feature in the bios, so I tried it with just two cores. Result 3.0GHZ/2.2GHz at 1.35V/1.3V prime stable for six hours and no idle freeze (30mins app usage). :)
Currently testing an 4850e here and I miss the independant memory clock.
The only template like thing i have is for 3-07 and already in this thread. I simply CnP that stuff into code-tags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
PLEASE NOTE: That turned out to be "Sandra was running when my Phenom blew up" and it was not the BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
I thought it was the BIOS at the time. I didn't have another AM2 chip to put into the socket to test it out... so I RMA'ed it to Newegg. After waiting 4 days for shipping, Newegg received it but they were out of the M2R model; so they just refunded what I paid.
I found a local place that had the Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 for the same price as Newegg. I picked that up yesterday. I had NO JOY with the Phenom. It is fried... so another RMA to Newegg for replacement. In the meanwhile I picked up a 4800+ to use for the 2 weeks or so that I'm waiting for the RMA. Yet more money. <sigh> OTOH: It is nice to have a 2.5Ghz dual core CPU so I can compare benchmarks against the Phenom. X2 versus X4 at the same clock.
DFI BONUSES: I like some of the features of the DFI board a lot better. Sound on the DFI is a Realtek ALC885 instead of the ALC889A. (Thus DFI has better quality.) Plus the DFI has a better chipset cooler, maybe a better voltage regulation, 2 network cards, and a socketed bios chip. The only thing Gigabyte has I like is the "idea" of the dual bios and the "Q-Flash". ALSO: It has a parallel printer port! MAJOR BONUS! I can resurect my Epson FX-80+. Or NOT.
I will probably end up buying a new DFI board in the future; It will be whatever replaces the M2R since I'm now not in a hurry.
Oha, my fault, thank you for clarifying, thought the phenom worked in the g bt mobo. But you could not sort out that the bios in the DFI got corrupted?Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
:yepp: I bought an 4850e for a new workstation at work, too bad you don't have the DFI mobo, that would have been an nice comparison of two 2.5GHz X2's.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
GBT-780G chipset also has onboard connectors for a serial and a parallel port. We have alot of special Epson printers using serial and parallel, so this will be my first choice for office workstations.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
Thanks for the details guys :)
About temps, the DFI based boards are known to be very buggy in this department. They keep adding different offsets for some reason.
About multis, many report buggy multi and special add voltage changes, if any even with the 4/15 latest. I've seen the problem before.
About C1 errors with many different RAM, DFI has this problem on the X38 too.
About CPU-NB linked Achim, they are independent, both voltages and planes are unlinked - its the same as your Core voltage and HT voltage is unlinked, different source. I had verified with Sami late November on here, that one should not affect the other in voltage/speed. I have never observed any link yet to date, stable at x voltage was stable at x voltage even if I increased/decreased CPU speed. Recheck your RAM timings are equal on all runs though but what you're saying confuses me :shrug:
What voltages do you guys need for your stable settings? also only list settings where system has been on for at least 8-9 hours not under full continuous load. P95/EVEREST/Sandra/OCCT/Orthos/AOD doesn't show stability for any Phenom I've had so far and many users are reporting the same across many boards, it does show load stability though. Most of my completely unstable settings can be ran for a few hours without failing when using for Firefox etc after some stability testing. From 1.4v 3069MHz all the way down to 2800MHz. Stable is daily use without problems.
Thanks i'll make sure to add the /E the next time I flash the BIOS and so far the 4/15/2008 BIOS is also stable at my end @ 2.9GHz with 1.39vQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Im wondering if we should look for stability by changing Mhz? I guess it's more Voltage related. Just my thoughts though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Guys I have come acros another guy who has killed this motherboard and his 9850. He is using Linux and installed a program called lm-sensors. Apparently that program is used to monitor temperature in Linux. Unfortunately there seems to be a theme appearing here.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Also I notice complaints about AOD not working in this board with the 9850.
My Gigabyte DQ-6 and the 9850 play together great, so it's not an AOD fault.
Do you mean oc in windows whilst you're already on an oc? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Eggsactly! :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
With the latest version, problems are with the BIOS mostly, the chips and PLLs are the same. I know on the MSI RD790 and the Abit 770 it is working great.
Nah, get a pretty stable oc (with Prime for example), then let it idle and see. If it's unstable, reboot and try different Voltages then the first attempt (one at a time of course) and see whether upping or lowering a certain Voltage helps idle stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ge-phenom-9900
Very interesting read... Oh boy:( (yes I know it's old but it's of use though).
Coincidence or not, my 9850 died after completed all benchs in SiSoftware Sandra XII 2008 SP2 (14.20a), then I restarted the system to set 12*250 for 3000, in witch I was but at 15x200, to compare, never booted again, [C1] error.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
1st i tough was the bios, since it was the last thing I did, EZ-clear CMOS, jumper clear, and then hot-flashed, no way C1 all the time, Voltage was: for CPU-VID=+105.14 and for NB=+103.7, I could not figured out what happened.:shrug:
As soon I put the Phenom 9500 in, system booted fine. 9850 back again C1 error, the poor thing had the last moments of joy running Sandra.:(
ATM I'm playing with my hybrid DFI-Expert/Venus nForce 2200 Pro + Opteron 170, so I haven't test the new bios, don't know how long it will take to have an 9850 again...
I wonder who is going to end up wearing the heat for this saga.
Sorry to hear the news aGeoM.
Man I know they use separate voltages since Juli/07. I'm just reporting what i found. Both are on the same die so they share heat at least. Also a higher cpu frequency results in a higher nb usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
If the nb does really not need a millivolt more it whould mean that it's better to test the NB at higher cpu frequencies because instabilities occure there earlier.
Looks exactly like the same BIOS/MB error I get aGeoM. Try another Phenom supporting board to see if it boots in that before you think its CPU, that's what I did before but it was wrong. I doubt very much its dead, ICs don't fail like this suddenly ;)
I don't think it's a coincidence that only DFI board is getting this sudden error in high numbers especially because of its RAM problems since the start. C1 is Memory related. My board is the only one getting it for other boards AFAIK and I have a replacement I'm going to check with the same 9850 this week. If it boots fine whilst older MSI board gives C1 Memory initialization error, then its obviously a board problem and not CPU.
And mine is from the earliest released batch of MSI RD790 v1.0. The DFI is much newer though.
Yea I know what you were saying Achim, I'm trying to look for trends. I can't test higher NB because it has separate limits. For instance, 1.3v 2380 max, whether I ran it at 1800CPU or 2900CPU. The word "stable" I guess have different meanings with users. I've tested and can still test 1.2v 2200NB stable with some stability test but that would be lying to myself since I know in general usage that fails stability and there would be no point me misleading others about it.
KTE, is the Large FFT test in Prime a good way to test CPU/IMC? After all the description says it stresses everything. On the otherhand P95 is older than Phenom and thus might actually NOT stress the CPU/IMC/core enough.
I guess Memtest is too much RAM based rather than a good way to test IMC as well.
Im wondering if we get it idle stable for ~10 hours (and load too of course), we should consider it stable? I mean, a reboot for example in 10hours isn't that of a disaster. On the otherhand, it might be foolish to think instability only occurs after a certain amount of time. It might happen as well after 3 minutes after all.
I want to know though, if Small FFT's run on CPU 100% stable, would that mean settings for the CPU alone are fine? So we got to fine tune different stuff like IMC? If not, wouldn't that basicly mean there must be some ratio/link between IMC and CPU for both Voltages and speed?
The longer I think about it the more stupid it becomes. By simple CPU multiplier clocking you can get Small FFT's stable, idle it crashes. Though as mentioned earlier, every 'program' uses it's own algorithms. If you'd manage idle and load stable, even a simple mouse click could cause an instability if it activates a different part of the CPU...
Or maybe it's a build in 'CnQ' thingy that causes crashes... Im out of clues really. Worst part is, we all always considered Prime95 to be one of the most ultimate stability tests which is being rendered completely useless now, and I really hate that because I dont know anymore how to test stability. Of course your guidelines for using Everest benchies for and such it helps a little. But I dont see how that would say whether the CPU, IMC or whatever is instable. A crash could still be caused by anything:confused:.
Well for my 2 cents, stability means, it runs my normal day to day applications in the way I'm used to for example.Quote:
The word "stable" I guess have different meanings with users.
Doing AVI to MPEG2 conversion using MainConcept;
Downloading using IDM manager;
Burning disc to disc;
Running a print queue;
Browsing as I'm doing now.
All of these at the same time hour after hour day after day.
Right now I have CPU 2.9 MHZ-(using x14.5), RAM @ 1066 MHZ 5.5.5.18. 2T
Everything else at stock settings, so far after 9 hours of these settings not a glitch.:up:
I know I sure wouldn't be happy with my pc crashing every 10 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Stable is when it never crashes.
of course especially with phenom stable becomes more complex then simply primestable...
with x2 so far an really prime stable setting always seemed to fulfil everyday tasks and gaming without any error on my side...
Lucky Me;) I don't have issue one with my Phenom:up:
Good Morning one and all and Happy Festivous
Now ....Who's gonna be a Gentleman and give me the Edited Notepad File with the Updated Bios Template?
Sheas, I see one parallel to my C1-9500. He also stopped working at relative low volts in comparison to what i had applied before.Quote:
Originally Posted by aGeoM
You plan to RMA that CPU or do you think it was your fault only? I mean both board and the chip are build for overclocking and you ran your cpu in specs at modest higher voltages.
How do you make those templates? like the ones in your early posts which were scrollable, LOL "scrollable" wonder if that's even a proper word.Quote:
Now ....Who's gonna be a Gentleman and give me the Edited Notepad File with the Updated Bios Template?
BUT isn't C1 the last step in POST before the CPU becomes important/needed?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Could the CPU fail badly enough that the POST might not make it past the C1 error and into one of the CPU POST messages?
NOTE: I never verified if my DFI was bad or not. I RMA'ed it. But the Phenom is definitely bad in a different motherboard with two different sets of memory. (The 1066 memory has tested fine for a day including 2 passes of memtest. At 800 speeds at this time. No overclocking until everything has worked for a few days at stock.)
Use the CODE tag like the QUOTE tag for scrollable stuff. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
Oh damn, Im such a retard. I prime all time with small FFT's and got like'em0 as it still crashed... But the description for small FFT's is clearly 'fits within L2 cache'... To make it more clear, I Prime large FFT's with small FFT's stable settings and it crashed hard within minutes...
KTE, or anyone else having problems with Prime not being stable, what Prime option did you actually use to test?
And Brother, you've no issues at all hm? How do you determine whether your Phenom is stable or not? What tests?
Im so stupid, no matter if I just found the 'solution' or not, for testing small FFT's which doesnt stress anything else than CPU cores...
perhaps it could be somewhat useful compare small fft with large fft results..
perhaps small fft-stable can be made large fft-stable when lowering nb or htt or such?
Attention:....."New" D.F.I LanParty UT 790FX-M2R / Phenom 4/15/2008 "Bios Template" Click Attachment Link Below!:up:
DFI LANPARTY UT 790FX-M2R (BIOS 4/15/2008 "Beta")
AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition "B3"
Tuniq Tower 120
OCZ Reaper HPC (PC2-8500) 5-5-5-18 2X2GB
POWERCOLOR AX3870 X2 CROSSFIRE CATALYST 8.3
Auzentech XPlosion
Areca 1231 ML {Intel IOP 341} ~ 6 ~ 250gb Hitachi Sata II Raid 6 ~2~WD 74gb Raptors ~ Raid 0 ~
Plextor 750A
SilverStone OP1000
CM Stacker STC-T01
Code:>HT Link Control:
HT Link Width......................... - 16 bit
HT Frequency.......................... - 2GHZ MHz
IH Flow Control Mode.................. - Disabled
HT Link Tristate...................... - Disabled
2x LCLK Mode.......................... - Disabled
Unit Id Clumping...................... - Disabled
>CPU Feature:
CPU DID.............................. - 1
CPU FID.............................. - 0C
CPU-NB DID........................... - 1
CPU-NB FID........................... - 06
AMD CPU stepping..................... - P0
>DRAM Configuration:
MCT Memory Timing.................... - Manual
2T Mode.............................. - Auto
Cas Latency Time..................... - 5
Pre Charge Delay (tRAS).............. - 18
DRAM RAS# Precharge.................. - 5
DRAN RAS# to CAS# Delay.............. - 5
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD).............. - Auto
TRC.................................. - 23T
TRTP................................. - Auto
Write Recovery (TWR)................. - Auto
Write-Read Command (TWTR)............ - Auto
TRFC0................................ - 195ns
TRFC1................................ - 195ns
TRFC2................................ - 195ns
TRFC3................................ - 195ns
Trdrd................................ - Auto
TrwtT0............................... - Auto
Twrrd................................ - Auto
Twrwr................................ - Auto
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay................ - Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode.................... - Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance............... - Enabled
Optimal Performance Mode............. - Enabled
>ODC Control Mode:
DRAM Drivers Weak Mode.............. - Normal
Output Drivers Comp................. - Normal
>Channel A:
CPU On-die Termination.............. - 300 ohms +/- 20%
DQS Drive Strength.................. - 1.00x
Data Drive Strength................. - 1.00x
MEMCLK Drive Strength............... - 1.00x
Addr/Cmd Drive Strength............. - 1.50x
CS/ODT Drive Strength............... - 1.50x
CKE Drive Strenght.................. - 1.50x
>Channel B:
CPU On-die Termination.............. - 300 ohms +/- 20%
DQS Drive Strength.................. - 1.00x
Data Drive Strength................. - 1.00x
MEMCLK Drive Strength............... - 1.00x
Addr/Cmd Drive Strength............. - 1.50x
CS/ODT Drive Strength............... - 1.50x
CKE Drive Strenght.................. - 1.50x
>PWM Settings:
PWM Control.......................... - Enabled
CPU VID Control...................... - 1.2500v
CPU Vid Special Add.................. - Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control............... - Auto
CPU NB Vid Special Add............... - Auto
DRAM Voltage Control................. - 1.80v
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage.................. - 1.20v
NB Core Voltage...................... - 1.250v
NB PCI-E Voltage..................... - 1.120v
NB HT Voltage........................ - 1.270v
Genie BIOS Settings:
Timing Mode.......................... - Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit.......... - DDR 1066
PCIE 3,4 State....................... - Auto
PCIE 2 State......................... - x2
CPU TLB Cache Fix.................... - Disabled
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet control.......... - Disabled
CPU Clock Ratio...................... - Auto
Spread Spectrum...................... - Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock................... - 200mhz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock........... - 200mhz
CPU Host/HTT Adjustment Gap.......... - 5mhz
PCIE Clock........................... - 100mhz
I dont know, if this would be any help to you guys that are stress testing or not...but I would try using S&M stress test...It has been the one and only program that has gotten my cores heated up as much as it does .. about 7C over orthos on air cooling(when doing FPU test). It also tests multiple parts of your processor and tests RAM also and HDD(all optional via selection). It also will do any number of CPU cores...does quad cores in single instance of itself. only stress program Ive found that does that.
Its easily available through hirens boot CD in windows using the wintools on his CD. Also...can be downloaded but I couldnt get the downloaded newest version to work right....for some reason..probably was just me =)
Most likely. I dropped HTT to 200 from 207. This dropped CPU speed to 2.8Ghz again, but let the NB and HT run on default speeds too. Where as it froze within 10 minutes with Large FFT's it's already running for over an hour now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
:up: :toast: Thank you for the effort you put into this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Hey Guys need some input please:) ....Should we start a Dedicate DFI LanParty UT 790FX-M2R thread for Phenom Database? I would like to but have mixed feelings on this as I do not wish to make users with Dual Core X2 feel left out or shunned in any fashion! That would not be the intention at all but perhaps some may perceive it that way don't know:shrug:
AFAIK on AMD CPUs, its one of the last processes ->Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1046/amdbspij3.png
So yeah, it can be bad BIOS, bad 1066 BIOS code, bad 1066 DIMM support or an IMC error. If you check the system power when you get the C1 error, the CPU is never fully started up, only around 5/6th of it is starting up at most before it reboots/pauses. That would point to IMC failing to start up. IMC not being initialized is what MB MFGs told me that error is with Phenom, especially for my last 3. But like I told you, all of mine did show that problem brand new at one time or another - but when tried in another board, they booted fine. My new 9850 gave the same problem first time and now.
Only ever happens when I clear CMOS, switch off mains power or remove the power connection.
The day it boots, it will run perfectly fine again for months unless and until I do these procedures. :shrug:
MSI and Abit have not been able to reproduce the problem internally. I've done so much testing and troubleshooting working this error out, 5000 Miss Universe contestents side by side on La Jolla's Black Beach [according to its rules :D] would now only have an anaphrodisiac affect on me :(
Stability: casual daily use, doing everything without worry or caution including benching, stability tests and so on should all give no probelms, ever - that's stable for us. With Phenom the procedure is lengthier than anything I've used before though.
My last setting was 2800 fully Load/WISE stable for 3 days at 1.384v... then did a lot of messing and after 3 more days [planned], decided to test it again -> what a surpirse, it failed WISE stability even at 1.4v now :rolleyes:
This is on a CPU which 3069MHz 1.48v load passes P95/AOD/EVEREST/OCCT/Sandra/Benchmark testing.
Thanks for the template Camp, its very helpful to me starting from scratch :D :toast:
:D "New" DFI LanParty UT 790FX-M2R ~ 4/16/2008 "Beta" Bios... Released
WOW....2 Beta Bios in 2 days GO>> DFI >>>>>>>GO:shoot: :CTF: :bows:http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downlo...FLAG=B&SITE=US
LOL, finally they're actually getting a move on as they should. ;)
Didn't I tell you that there's this bug? :p:Quote:
Major Reasons of Change:
1.Fixed “CPU Clock Ratio”can not select when use some Phenom CPU .
2.Increase CPU voltage control step by step.
3.Add CPU Voltage Item help string.
There's another with Special Voltage Add yet to resolve as well as temps.
Any testers?
Post full details including a WinRAR comparison with a previous BIOS please. :)
Gonna Flash Now Tye will save screenie from WinRar now and after for you:)
Hurry up :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=347097
1.475v
Here ya go Tye:)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
whuuuuuhoooo :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
ram is on the way.. i'm curious whether this would be possible with my chip...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Ahem/......I say old Boy! I should think so oli
Thanks m8, better this than a broken leg. :p: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
I'm afraid but can't test it, no more AM2/+ boards here, never happened to me, all my previous CPU's are running well, I tested Phenom 9500 and 5000BE, all booted fine, with my G.Skill and OEM memory, both 1 or 2 slot use. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Maximum volts applied was 113.07% when testing 3200MHz(HTT=200;HT=2000;NB=2000), I made a table on that 3200 test and realized that more volts didn't work, if fact only booted at 107.02%; 109.15% and 112%, NB-VID=AUTO in all tests, system always unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Well, if OCing can be considered Warranty void, then yes, I can say it's my fault not running at stock speed. :DQuote:
You plan to RMA that CPU or do you think it was your fault only? I mean both board and the chip are build for overclocking and you ran your cpu in specs at modest higher voltages.
:yepp: Nothing extreme here, never got it more than 113% for CPU;107% for NB, and 2.24v for MEM, in any scenario.
If, someone here get me one board to test, as Tye suggested, I will do it before RMA, any way I already contacted Alternate and explained what happened, I have the RMA number to do it, if no other choice, will be at least 2 weeks waiting, with all the stress that evolves.:nuts:
Thanks to all of you guys, for your support. :up:
Brother Esau , if you was here I would kiss ya:eek: .....(if you was a girl).....:up:
Bios flashed slicker-n-snot.......
Now, how hot is too hot?????
I know my TRUE is in good contact with the CPU, the heat pouring out of it is unreal. But load temps across the cores are in the high 40's to low 50's when crunching Seti with optimized clients, CPU running 2800mhz....
Ummmmm...... uh..... Ok you sexy beast just what did I do to get you so Hot and Bothered?:rofl: :hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slagathor
What volts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slagathor
Default volts......
1.3 I do believe
I was scared witless for a second after the flash, cause I edited your command line into the autoexec that came with the 415, but I didnt get rid of:
"echo "The version of BIOS was inaccurate,"
echo "Please remove the floppy, download the right one and re-flash."
I was like:eek:, but it was all pretty white, so I figured I was safe, which I was....
Heres what I get with 2800mhz up to 2846mhz same settings;)
DFI LANPARTY UT 790FX-M2R (BIOS 4/15/2008 "Beta")
AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition "B3"
Tuniq Tower 120
OCZ Reaper HPC (PC2-8500) 5-5-5-18 2X2GB
POWERCOLOR AX3870 X2 CROSSFIRE CATALYST 8.3
Auzentech XPlosion
Areca 1231 ML {Intel IOP 341} ~ 6 ~ 250gb Hitachi Sata II Raid 6 ~2~WD 74gb Raptors ~ Raid 0 ~
Plextor 750A
SilverStone OP1000
CM Stacker STC-T01
Code:>HT Link Control:
HT Link Width......................... - 16 bit
HT Frequency.......................... - 2GHZ MHz
IH Flow Control Mode.................. - Disabled
HT Link Tristate...................... - Disabled
2x LCLK Mode.......................... - Disabled
Unit Id Clumping...................... - Disabled
>CPU Feature:
CPU DID.............................. - 1
CPU FID.............................. - 0C
CPU-NB DID........................... - 1
CPU-NB FID........................... - 06
AMD CPU stepping..................... - P0
>DRAM Configuration:
MCT Memory Timing.................... - Manual
2T Mode.............................. - Auto
Cas Latency Time..................... - 5
Pre Charge Delay (tRAS).............. - 18
DRAM RAS# Precharge.................. - 5
DRAN RAS# to CAS# Delay.............. - 5
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD).............. - Auto
TRC.................................. - 23T
TRTP................................. - Auto
Write Recovery (TWR)................. - Auto
Write-Read Command (TWTR)............ - Auto
TRFC0................................ - 195ns
TRFC1................................ - 195ns
TRFC2................................ - 195ns
TRFC3................................ - 195ns
Trdrd................................ - Auto
TrwtT0............................... - Auto
Twrrd................................ - Auto
Twrwr................................ - Auto
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay................ - Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode.................... - Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance............... - Enabled
Optimal Performance Mode............. - Enabled
>ODC Control Mode:
DRAM Drivers Weak Mode.............. - Normal
Output Drivers Comp................. - Normal
>Channel A:
CPU On-die Termination.............. - 300 ohms +/- 20%
DQS Drive Strength.................. - 1.00x
Data Drive Strength................. - 1.00x
MEMCLK Drive Strength............... - 1.00x
Addr/Cmd Drive Strength............. - 1.50x
CS/ODT Drive Strength............... - 1.50x
CKE Drive Strenght.................. - 1.50x
>Channel B:
CPU On-die Termination.............. - 300 ohms +/- 20%
DQS Drive Strength.................. - 1.00x
Data Drive Strength................. - 1.00x
MEMCLK Drive Strength............... - 1.00x
Addr/Cmd Drive Strength............. - 1.50x
CS/ODT Drive Strength............... - 1.50x
CKE Drive Strenght.................. - 1.50x
>PWM Settings:
PWM Control.......................... - Enabled
CPU VID Control...................... - 1.2500v
CPU Vid Special Add.................. - Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control............... - Auto
CPU NB Vid Special Add............... - Auto
DRAM Voltage Control................. - 1.80v
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage.................. - 1.20v
NB Core Voltage...................... - 1.250v
NB PCI-E Voltage..................... - 1.120v
NB HT Voltage........................ - 1.270v
Genie BIOS Settings:
Timing Mode.......................... - Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit.......... - DDR 1066
PCIE 3,4 State....................... - Auto
PCIE 2 State......................... - x2
CPU TLB Cache Fix.................... - Disabled
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet control.......... - Disabled
CPU Clock Ratio...................... - Auto
Spread Spectrum...................... - Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock................... - 200mhz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock........... - 200mhz
CPU Host/HTT Adjustment Gap.......... - 5mhz
PCIE Clock........................... - 100mhz