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04-27-2010, 04:20 AM
NoGuru

Hoss, great score. What ram are you using?
04-27-2010, 05:04 AM
In-Fluence

A 5Ghz+ SPI run, Very nicely done Hoss!

I've persuaded an old friend to ship me a USB3 board now which will be my last 775 board for certain. I'm not hoping for more success in benching, I just love the colours they've used and know it'll look great in my case. Keep pushing hoss, how's your max CPUz coming along? :D

*edit scratch that - just seen it 5.1+GHz - go Hoss!
04-27-2010, 08:03 AM
Hoss331

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-mil

bravo Hoss331

:clap::clap:

Thanks :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

Hoss331,thats some awesome quadcore fsb action for sure.i couldnt even get my last two
UD3P's to do fsb above 550 using a dualcore.simply put,WOW

I cant complain its my original P board and it still puts up the FSB numbers, hopefully my ddr3 board will also when it gets its chance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuru

Hoss, great score. What ram are you using?

The ram is radajas old PC8000 C4 Cellshocks (D9s).

Quote:

Originally Posted by In-Fluence

A 5Ghz+ SPI run, Very nicely done Hoss!

I've persuaded an old friend to ship me a USB3 board now which will be my last 775 board for certain. I'm not hoping for more success in benching, I just love the colours they've used and know it'll look great in my case. Keep pushing hoss, how's your max CPUz coming along? :D

*edit scratch that - just seen it 5.1+GHz - go Hoss!

I actually had a 8.907 run done at 5.103 but it locked on me just before I could click save in paint. :( I was low on ice so Ill get it next go around and try for a new max validation, with the way its running im thinking a 5.2 is within reach. :yepp:
04-27-2010, 02:54 PM
NoGuru

The dreaded lock up before the save. I have faith you will get it next time.
05-02-2010, 11:48 AM
b1tphr34k

Thanks for the motivation and direction!

After reading through many of the posts on this thread I realized that I wasn't just dreaming on getting my Q9650 above 3.6GHz...I previously had it running on an MSI P43-Neo3F, but nothing I did would let me go above 3.7. After reading many of the posts here, I knew I should be able to get more out of it and I became convinced that I was being limited by the low native bus speeds of my board and DRAM (PC2-8500)

After a quick trick to the local Fry's, I picked up a Gigabyte EP45T-USB3P and some brand new DDR3, with the push of a button I was up to 3.8GHz, and with a little extra on the CPU voltage I run 4.05GHz with almost no effort. This PROC is AWSOME!

I'm now Prime95 stable at 3.8 for daily use with ocassional desired to see it at 4.05GHz - hav'n't completley stabilized the 4GHz setting yet as I get a spontaneous reboot when running Prime but generally very happy with this chip - thanks all for your various posts and input that convinced me that under the right environment my chip was capable of much more than I was getting.
05-02-2010, 12:37 PM
NoGuru

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1tphr34k

After reading through many of the posts on this thread I realized that I wasn't just dreaming on getting my Q9650 above 3.6GHz...I previously had it running on an MSI P43-Neo3F, but nothing I did would let me go above 3.7. After reading many of the posts here, I knew I should be able to get more out of it and I became convinced that I was being limited by the low native bus speeds of my board and DRAM (PC2-8500)

After a quick trick to the local Fry's, I picked up a Gigabyte EP45T-USB3P and some brand new DDR3, with the push of a button I was up to 3.8GHz, and with a little extra on the CPU voltage I run 4.05GHz with almost no effort. This PROC is AWSOME!

I'm now Prime95 stable at 3.8 for daily use with ocassional desired to see it at 4.05GHz - hav'n't completley stabilized the 4GHz setting yet as I get a spontaneous reboot when running Prime but generally very happy with this chip - thanks all for your various posts and input that convinced me that under the right environment my chip was capable of much more than I was getting.

Yeah with that board you can get this chip pretty high. Post your settings and we can help you tweak them. Oh, and welcome :welcome:
05-02-2010, 02:12 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

I am having a problem with my USB3P, I can't set the command rate to anything but 2T. Every time I try to change it, in windows it is always 2T.

I even tried using Memset to change it and it will not allow me to change it as well. The option is available in the drop box but when I choose it, it still comes up as 2T.

I have tried looking for a beta bios or any other bios other than F1 to try, because it seems the memory dividers are botched on this board, only 3.20B works for me.
05-02-2010, 02:36 PM
radaja

i know on intel chipsets with ddr2 1t is not allowed,but i just checked through the UD3P thread
and still cant find any ddr3 boards using the 1t.all their SS show 2t.but i will keep looking for you
EDIT:
according to 3oh6 his board had the option but wouldnt run 1t either.
P45 and DDR3??
05-02-2010, 04:22 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

i know on intel chipsets with ddr2 1t is not allowed,but i just checked through the UD3P thread
and still cant find any ddr3 boards using the 1t.all their SS show 2t.but i will keep looking for you
EDIT:
according to 3oh6 his board had the option but wouldnt run 1t either.
P45 and DDR3??

see that sucks kinda makes me wish i kept my UD3P:shrug:

I still can't get this memory to run cas6 @ 1600, much less even post at 2000.

I have had my MCH voltages up to 1.46 and still no dice on any of the 4.00 dividers.
05-02-2010, 05:31 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3

see that sucks kinda makes me wish i kept my UD3P:shrug:

I still can't get this memory to run cas6 @ 1600, much less even post at 2000.

I have had my MCH voltages up to 1.46 and still no dice on any of the 4.00 dividers.

you gonna need @ least 1.7v
and no way you runnin those cas6 if they are bbse
05-02-2010, 05:36 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

you gonna need @ least 1.7v
and no way you runnin those cas6 if they are bbse

I assume I would have to take the heat spreader off to find out?

Hell they won't even run cas 7, I am only getting away with running cas 8.

I have this kit KHX2000C9AD3T1K2/4GX

I ended up buying three of them so I could do 6GB in my X58 box and 4GB on the P45 rig plus I have one extra stick.

I can still return them, I want at least 1600 cas 7 and if I can't get them to run that then they gotta go.
05-02-2010, 05:51 PM
zsamz_

i had a few sets of bbse and i had tough time with them on rex 1 set toped off 1600 cas7 other sets 1700 cas8
the 2200 cas7 pi toped off 1920 cas6:up:
you need microns or hypers
there are a few sets with micron in sale section;)
i would grab these hypers soooo fast
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=250371
but i dont think he shippin to canada

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3

I assume I would have to take the heat spreader off to find out?

Hell they won't even run cas 7, I am only getting away with running cas 8.

I have this kit KHX2000C9AD3T1K2/4GX

I ended up buying three of them so I could do 6GB in my X58 box and 4GB on the P45 rig plus I have one extra stick.

I can still return them, I want at least 1600 cas 7 and if I can't get them to run that then they gotta go.
05-03-2010, 12:12 AM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

i had a few sets of bbse and i had tough time with them on rex 1 set toped off 1600 cas7 other sets 1700 cas8
the 2200 cas7 pi toped off 1920 cas6:up:
you need microns or hypers
there are a few sets with micron in sale section;)
i would grab these hypers soooo fast
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=250371
but i dont think he shippin to canada

unfortunately my post count is too low, so I can't see that forum.
05-03-2010, 07:42 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

i have horrible luck with getting low VID chips

http://i44.tinypic.com/2816d5k.png
05-03-2010, 07:58 PM
NoGuru

That's not always a bad thing, lower VID sometimes equals higher heat.
05-03-2010, 08:19 PM
b1tphr34k

Assistance with final tweaking

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuru

Yeah with that board you can get this chip pretty high. Post your settings and we can help you tweak them. Oh, and welcome :welcome:

Thanks! so I decided to go ahead and try again - this time I made it a point to back off the memory and only push the CPU.
So far Prime95 table...but definatley appreciate any insight that might tighten things up a bit. Basically, I started with ET6 to 4.05, added PCI=100MHz, upped CPU V1.34, backed off DRAM to standard (2.66D) @ 1200MHz and left everything else auto. I'm not so sure she should be cooking at 72-73 only 10 minutes, but open to suggestion :) after reading through much of this it seems the MCH and VTT are where a lot of the sweet spots lie? but I'm not sure what I should look for there.
Thanks for your help!

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...dsadler/OC.png
05-03-2010, 08:54 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoGuru

That's not always a bad thing, lower VID sometimes equals higher heat.

this one does run really cool though 67c loaded @ 1.44
05-03-2010, 09:30 PM
NoGuru

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Originally Posted by b1tphr34k

Thanks! so I decided to go ahead and try again - this time I made it a point to back off the memory and only push the CPU.
So far Prime95 table...but definatley appreciate any insight that might tighten things up a bit. Basically, I started with ET6 to 4.05, added PCI=100MHz, upped CPU V1.34, backed off DRAM to standard (2.66D) @ 1200MHz and left everything else auto. I'm not so sure she should be cooking at 72-73 only 10 minutes, but open to suggestion :) after reading through much of this it seems the MCH and VTT are where a lot of the sweet spots lie? but I'm not sure what I should look for there.
Thanks for your help!

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...dsadler/OC.png

Your PLL and VTT are off the charts. Set PLL to 1.50 and set VTT manually, about 1.32 just inch your way up. Usually it stays just below vcore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3

this one does run really cool though 67c loaded @ 1.44

:up:

JorB3's ram is awesome:yepp:
05-04-2010, 06:02 PM
b1tphr34k

Thanks for all the help!! Things are getting better...

I'm still working on tunning things up a bit, but I thought I'd share progress and see if anyone could offer additional ideas that might help stabalize.
The system runs great, but still BSOD/Reboot under Prime95 within 10 minutes. Temps have cooled off several degrees C, and I gained an additional 100Pts in Passmark score by boosting my RAM just need to stabalize it under load and things will be great.

Here's the BIOS code I'm running

Code:

GIGABYTE GA-EP45T_USB3P [u]MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9X Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:0.0 CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.05GHz GHz Clock Chip Control Standard Clock Control CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] [] CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:450Mhz PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100Mhz C.I.A. 2.............................:[Disabled] Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter] CPU Clock Drive...........................:800 mv PCI Express Clock Drive...................: 900mv CPU Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps MCH Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps DRAM Performance Control Performance Enhance....................: [Standard] Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: Auto (G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [Auto] System Memory Multiplier ..............:3.33D Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1500Mhz DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual] [] Standard Timing Control CAS Latency Time...............................: 8 tRCD ..........................................: 8 tRP...........................................: 8 tRAS...........................................: 24 Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter] tRRD...........................................:AUTO tWTR...........................................: AUTO tWR............................................: AUTO tRFC...........................................: AUTO tRTP...........................................: AUTO Command Rate (CMD) ............................: AUTO Channel A Channel A Timings Settings [Press Enter] Static tRead Value......................:Auto tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto Trd2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2wr(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto Dimm1 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Dimm2 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter] Driving Strength Profile:[AUTO] Data Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Data Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Channel B Channel B Timings Settings [Press Enter] Static tRead Value......................:Auto tRD Phase0 Adjustmen...................:Auto tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto Trd2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2wr(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto Dimm1 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Dimm2 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter] Driving Strength Profile:[AUTO] Data Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Data Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto {U]Motherboard Voltage Control{/U] CPU Vcore….………...........................:1.32500v CPU Termination…...... 1.200V*...........: 1.3000v CPU PLL………………….........1.500V*...........: 1.5000v MCH/ICH MCH Core……………..........1.100V............: AUTO MCH Reference..…...….….0.800V............; AUTO ICH I/O…………....……......1.550V............: AUTO DRAM DRAM Voltage ……........1.500V............: 1.6v DRAM Termination ...…..0.900V............: AUTO Channel A Data Vref ...0.75V.............: AUTO Channel B Data Vref ...0.750V............: AUTO Channel A Address Vref 0.75V.............: AUTO Channel B Address Vref 0.750V............: AUTO [b]{U]Advanced Settings[b]{U] Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled] No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled] CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled] C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled] x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled] CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled] CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled] Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Note: * refers to 45nm CPU

Here is a shot under load
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b.../Capture-1.png
05-04-2010, 07:18 PM
Hoss331

For starters dont bother with the 3.33D, it doesnt run at its rated speed, instead use 3.20B. If you want to see the difference check the bandwidth on each.
05-05-2010, 04:23 AM
b1tphr34k

Thanks HOSS, I'll have to check that out tonight - I actually made some other adjustments late last night to MCH, and VTT/Vcore -the result was slightly lower temps and faster Passmark score (by about 100pts)
I think I'm getting closer - I really wanted to try to get the RAM as close to 1600 without stressing it but it seems pretty touchy.
05-05-2010, 11:19 AM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1tphr34k

I'm still working on tunning things up a bit, but I thought I'd share progress and see if anyone could offer additional ideas that might help stabalize.
The system runs great, but still BSOD/Reboot under Prime95 within 10 minutes. Temps have cooled off several degrees C, and I gained an additional 100Pts in Passmark score by boosting my RAM just need to stabalize it under load and things will be great.

Here's the BIOS code I'm running

Code:

GIGABYTE GA-EP45T_USB3P [u]MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) Robust Graphics Booster ...............: AUTO CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 9X Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:0.0 CPU Frequency ...........................: 4.05GHz GHz Clock Chip Control Standard Clock Control CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] [] CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:450Mhz PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100Mhz C.I.A. 2.............................:[Disabled] Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter] CPU Clock Drive...........................:800 mv PCI Express Clock Drive...................: 900mv CPU Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps MCH Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps DRAM Performance Control Performance Enhance....................: [Standard] Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: Auto (G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [Auto] System Memory Multiplier ..............:3.33D Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1500Mhz DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual] [] Standard Timing Control CAS Latency Time...............................: 8 tRCD ..........................................: 8 tRP...........................................: 8 tRAS...........................................: 24 Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter] tRRD...........................................:AUTO tWTR...........................................: AUTO tWR............................................: AUTO tRFC...........................................: AUTO tRTP...........................................: AUTO Command Rate (CMD) ............................: AUTO Channel A Channel A Timings Settings [Press Enter] Static tRead Value......................:Auto tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto Trd2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2wr(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto Dimm1 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Dimm2 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter] Driving Strength Profile:[AUTO] Data Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Data Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Channel B Channel B Timings Settings [Press Enter] Static tRead Value......................:Auto tRD Phase0 Adjustmen...................:Auto tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto Trd2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2wr(Different Rank)..................:Auto Twr2rd(Different Rank)..................:Auto Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto Dimm1 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Dimm2 Clock Skew Control................:Auto ps Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter] Driving Strength Profile:[AUTO] Data Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level.............:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Up Level..............:Auto Data Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level...........:Auto Clk Driving Pull-Down Level............:Auto {U]Motherboard Voltage Control{/U] CPU Vcore….………...........................:1.32500v CPU Termination…...... 1.200V*...........: 1.3000v CPU PLL………………….........1.500V*...........: 1.5000v MCH/ICH MCH Core……………..........1.100V............: AUTO MCH Reference..…...….….0.800V............; AUTO ICH I/O…………....……......1.550V............: AUTO DRAM DRAM Voltage ……........1.500V............: 1.6v DRAM Termination ...…..0.900V............: AUTO Channel A Data Vref ...0.75V.............: AUTO Channel B Data Vref ...0.750V............: AUTO Channel A Address Vref 0.75V.............: AUTO Channel B Address Vref 0.750V............: AUTO [b]{U]Advanced Settings[b]{U] Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled] No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled] CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled] C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled] x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled] CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled] CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled] Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Note: * refers to 45nm CPU

Here is a shot under load
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b.../Capture-1.png

First turn off cpu thermal protection, then enable vdrop correction, because to me it looks like its not turned on, since you have 1.325 Vcore set and you are seeing 1.23 at cpuz.

Next set your vtt to 1.2 and then set your cpu ref to 0.785 and the mch ref to 0.800, and then go back and set vtt to desired voltage i.e. 1.30 as you have selected.

Give that a try now:up:
05-05-2010, 07:14 PM
b1tphr34k

Done and Done - you guys rock!

Took sil3nc3's advice and made the necessary adjustments. didn't want to take a chance on lowering my RAM settings just yet - I actually want to get that all the way to 1600MHz at some point.

I'm running Prime as we speak and getting much better results - OH - I regreased by cooler as well (used cheap thermal grease last time, and found my bottle of Zahlman's ceramic) makes a difference for sure.

I'm 5-7 C cooler, OH and I lowered the VCore, with the droop I noticed it was actually running 4GHz loaded using as little as 1.248 CPUZ, even though I had set it to 1.34BIOSv (so I lowered it to 1.275BIOSv with calibration (prevent droop) and its running Strong at 4GHz and 1.248vCPUZ

Thanks all for your help! If anyone can recommend anything else I could try to fine tune it that would be great. I already tried lowering the voltage in small increments - 1.275 seems to be the lowest it will run...what about some of those other values - should I now try adjusting them higher or lower to gauge impact to performance, temps, etc?

Thanks for all the help!:D
05-05-2010, 08:25 PM
Hoss331

Going to 3.20B from 3.33D is by no means lowering your ram settings. Like I said earlier it doesnt run at its rated speed, its bugged and really only a 3.0, so at 450fsb your ram is running at 1350 not 1500. Heres a couple everest benchs for you. :up:

3.33D C5
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...81/333DPL7.png

3.20B C6
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...81/320BPL7.png

Do you really think I can run cas5 if my ram is actually at 1500 and still have lower bandwidth than 1440 cas6. ;)
05-05-2010, 09:43 PM
l0ud_sil3nc3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoss331

Going to 3.20B from 3.33D is by no means lowering your ram settings. Like I said earlier it doesnt run at its rated speed, its bugged and really only a 3.0, so at 450fsb your ram is running at 1350 not 1500. Heres a couple everest benchs for you. :up:

3.33D C5
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...81/333DPL7.png

3.20B C6
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...81/320BPL7.png

Do you really think I can run cas5 if my ram is actually at 1500 and still have lower bandwidth than 1440 cas6. ;)

thats a nice:clap:

demonstrates the point real well

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