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10-09-2005, 02:57 AM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehran

Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(

I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P
10-09-2005, 03:17 AM
Zeus...

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P

Concur :toast:
10-09-2005, 06:06 AM
syar2003

I need some volentares to help out test/push my latest BIOS revision .
EasyBIOS3 with all options based on 7025NMS.1C3 .

So far i've been running it since yesterday with
250x10x4 183mhz 2-3-3-6 1T
and 246x11x4 2.5-3-3-7 1T
and 237x11x4 2.5-3-3-7 1T .
(also stock settings of course )
Ran OCCT and 3dmark03 and normal computing , had no problems yet .

Perfer someone with a spare BIOS chip ( like I have) or saviour just in case .

More details and pics here :
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=88384.0
10-09-2005, 10:25 AM
mundi

I asked here with which bios will run greatOpteron 144
and I must answer alone,
I try 1B official and 1B Beta4 by Se
and on both runs good (view signature if you want)
10-09-2005, 10:32 AM
sideeffect

Yes not many people have those chips yet mundi. Even less will have them with a Neo2.
10-09-2005, 10:54 AM
msimax

new best for neo2plat

[IMG]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1444/oo3ti.jpg[/IMG]
10-09-2005, 10:57 AM
mundi

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Yes not many people have those chips yet mundi. Even less will have them with a Neo2.

Yes you right, so now all visitors know that runs oki,
Here in CZ isnot good to get CABNE, I have CABGE, version tray
With CABNE you can go to 2700-2800MHz with default :slobber: 1,36-1,38 real
So if you can find this GO ON !!!!
Here is link for pictures language is Czech but I think that pictures will do.
http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-6...2003E6F56.html

And very imortant is TMaxCase
CABNE have 65
CABGE 57, but can find 55 or 59

Excuse my small OT
10-09-2005, 11:01 AM
mundi

Oh yet link for TMaxCase
10-09-2005, 11:35 AM
Mehran

Hell what kind of bios is this Side Effect?!
WHAT DID U DO?!
VERY VERY EXTREMELY NICE!
Now running 2670 and very stable!
Thx for your effort.
10-09-2005, 11:43 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Depends what your using pc for. I ussually overclock to the point where it never crashes pc in anything i use. If it crashes anything i will underclock because i hate crashes:P

I dont much care about prime stable though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P

Thx to both of you. Mine is the same as side effect. Not prime stable at all but stable in windows. never craches. I really hate when that happens. But now I should run a few heavy games several times to ensure that my computer is stable.
Now running fine at 2670 and sandra says my memory bandwidth is 93%.
The best result I got. What do u all think?
SuperPI 1M : 31s.
And of course with that nice bios modded by SE. ;)
10-09-2005, 11:45 AM
Rbreb13

Which BIOS mod?
10-09-2005, 12:24 PM
msimax

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.

im getting errors in test 5 no matter what voltage, multi and cpu speed. it always falls between 0.0-0.9mb doesnt matter if i swap sticks . i think its the mem controller and i relaxed timmings to 3-6-6-14 same error range :(

so it looks like changing boards wont help i assume
10-09-2005, 02:48 PM
msimax

test video

[IMG]http://i1.zvhost.com/1/e/eviu372j.jpg[/IMG]
10-09-2005, 03:06 PM
el rolio

vid works mane, what you gonna show us?
10-09-2005, 06:35 PM
ZeroSanity

Can someone quickly explain something for me...?

With the new BIOS revisions that include dual core support there seems to be no AUTO setting for the mem frequency and if i set it to 200 and then raise the htt on the previous BIOS menu then it dosent stay in 1:1 like it used to. Judging by my sandra scores, the only way that i can truly run my system in 1:1 is if i select one of the very limited memclock settings (200,233,250) and then enter the same number in htt on the previos menu.

On the old bios's all you had to do was select auto mem frequeny and then it would scale the ram with the htt in every 1mhz increment or so.

I would just revert back to an older revision but i cannot simply do that as i have an X2. :/

If there's something that i'm missing here i'm real sorry, i only just returned to the OCing scene a few weeks ago hehe.

[edit] I'm using the sideeffect 1b bios.. Would 1c fix this (presuming i'm not just doing something wrong)??
10-09-2005, 07:47 PM
D3kMatrix

200 is the only setting to keep ur ram 1:1 with your HTT setting.

What makes you think your ram is not clocking 1:1? What programs were u using?
10-09-2005, 09:09 PM
sideeffect

Yes the 200 divider will keep you 1:1 with the HTT. The bios doesnt display that though in the new bios's it rarely shows the correct ram speed. In windows its always right though.
10-09-2005, 10:39 PM
Draxx

Ok problem is this, running at 280 x 9 with the 150 divider for 2520Mhz and 210Mhz memory speed. It memtests fine 12+ hours, but in Windows it wont run any 3D app and such like, just crashes out or locks up. I have no idea why! HELP!!
10-09-2005, 11:42 PM
sideeffect

Try the 81.84 nvidia drivers Draxx they seem to be more tolerant of high HTT gaming.
10-10-2005, 12:30 AM
Draxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Try the 81.84 nvidia drivers Draxx they seem to be more tolerant of high HTT gaming.

Will do, but it turns out that it won't run anything. OCCT, Prime nothing, just crashes or locks up!

Makes no sence as the memory memtests fine, the CPU overclock is fine, put them together and nothing :(

I'm just annoyed that I have to run this BH-6 at 180Mhz for the PC to function correctly.
10-10-2005, 12:42 AM
stw500

@Draxx

Looks like the intern Mem-Controller of the CPU can't handle high overclock...

That would explain why it is possible to run mem or cpu overclocked, but not together...

It's just luck if your mem-controller is good or not...
10-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Draxx

But even if I run the CPU at stock and up the FSB with the memory 1:1 it still can't even managa 205Mhz stabily in Windows. This can't surely be the memory controller as E3 cores are meant to beable to run upto 250Mhz memory are they not?
10-10-2005, 01:21 AM
sideeffect

Yes 205 1:1 shouldnt be a problem at all. What bios are you using ?

Perhaps its a problem with the 9x multiplier in the bios that your running. If your using 1.B try 1.8 and if your using 1.8 try 1.b :)

Also the memory might be running to loose. Post a picture in here of athlon 64 tweaker showing your timings.

If someone else has Bh-6 in here also post your memory timings :slap:
10-10-2005, 02:07 AM
Draxx

Running your 1.B mod ;)
10-10-2005, 03:20 AM
ZeroSanity

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Yes the 200 divider will keep you 1:1 with the HTT. The bios doesnt display that though in the new bios's it rarely shows the correct ram speed. In windows its always right though.

That's strange, i seem to recall that my sandra scores at 2t were about 4500/4500 with 200/260 but when i booted at 233/233 i was getting about 5700!

Ill do some more sesting when i get home. Either way this seems realistic because with the 200 divider i can go over 250 fsb and using the 250 divider with 250 fsb i get crashes before it boots into windows.

Ill check in a few hours.. either way clockgen definately dosent scale HTT with ddr speed but i think that i had a good trial & error session without ocing in windows last week.

[edit]
Also, when you mention the correct memory speed not being reported in the bios.. does the same go for the reported DDR speed in the boot menu?

Peace

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