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12-13-2010, 08:17 PM
tifosi

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

Dude you listed two features one of them requires major Crossfire to be useful for games, and you have the nerve to call me a troll. And 7.1 audio over HDMI realy ? there is so many more ways to get audio, your points are laughable. :rolleyes: Its equvalent of saying does your card have a green sticker ? no then why buy it.

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Do you even have 6 displays and 7.1 Speaker setup :rolleyes:

:rofl: :ROTF: :rofl:

Yes, you'd get audio, but when i have 8 odd terabytes with HD media all over it... i'd want lossless audio over to my receiver. Monitors, i can add more, but should i have to buy a new card, if i needed then? You see this guy below me making my point... Read it slowly, if you will and try to comprehend it. You buy what offers you more value. What is valuable to you may be :banana::banana::banana::banana: to others and GTX580 is precisely that, :banana::banana::banana::banana: in India where it gets bloody hot (47 Degree Celsius)! Did you see me recommending any card here? Most of us here are trying to help people make an educated and informed choice.

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Pi

I can't speak for him, but I've been lurking/following this thread because I have 5 monitors and nVidia isn't an option for me at all. Thanks for making the wait entertaining for me though!

Thanks for proving my point mate!

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Add CF scaling. So probably HD6970 CF > GTX580 SLI

Seems he is still in the "if I pay more, then it's better" attitude.

:up:
12-13-2010, 08:30 PM
-=DVS=-

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Pi

I can't speak for him, but I've been lurking/following this thread because I have 5 monitors and nVidia isn't an option for me at all. Thanks for making the wait entertaining for me though!

Not sure why would you direct that comment at me, never told you not to buy AMD if you need a specific single brand feature.

I was saying it at trolls who make it out to be something vital to everyone, like this one

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Posted by tifosi
Does Nvidia cards support 6 monitors?
Does Nvidia cards support 7.1 HD audio over HDMI?
No?
Then why troll?

As if everyone needs 6 displays from one card , it is a very tiny nich market. Same for 7.1 speaker setup over Graphics card HDMI port.

Random gamer out of the box will have more benefit from PhysX and 3D gaming. If you go by tifosi logic you could say "why get AMD if they don't have PhysX".
Then again some people don't care for any of that but very narrow feature set FPS/dollar.

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What is valuable to you may be **** to others and GTX580 is precisely that ****, in India where it gets bloody hot

Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.
12-13-2010, 08:47 PM
dasa

there is a fair bit of user preference in those things
i think physx is currently a useless pile of crap and haven't seen it do anything of use in game except for more natural looking fog

i would like the 5.1 hdmi sound output on my gtx480 to work better than it dose
currently it detects the amp as a monitor so i have a invisible monitor on my desktop that some items will open on or the mouse can wonder over to
two monitors being detected also prevents the card from down clocking correctly

cant say 3d is of any interest to me but 3 u2711 would be nice

as i said at the start each to there own

i was hopping two 6970 may have been an upgrade option for me but a second gtx480 is looking more likely

still it looks like these cards will be a decent evolution and keep some pressure on nvidia to lower prices
12-13-2010, 08:51 PM
stuffme

I vote only one cable to my receiver, so radeon is the only option. If only nvidia would see that too.
12-13-2010, 08:54 PM
tifosi

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.

When was i trolling, my nvidia has this-that was in response to your original post about single card, physx baloney :P

Never mind... no more food for you! Adios!
12-13-2010, 09:12 PM
96redformula

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Originally Posted by stuffme

I vote only one cable to my receiver, so radeon is the only option. If only nvidia would see that too.

Yeah, I need HDMI audio/video paired together for HTPC too.
12-13-2010, 09:13 PM
Macadamia

Wow it must be either coincidence that 480 owners are just damn insecure, or jerks, to not mind their own business and not be smartasses in threads.

(The 470 and 580 people are okay though, way less extremists by percentage. Maybe the lesser heat dissipation does help!:))
12-13-2010, 09:44 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by 96redformula

Yeah, I need HDMI audio/video paired together for HTPC too.

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Originally Posted by stuffme

I vote only one cable to my receiver, so radeon is the only option. If only nvidia would see that too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost POSITIVE NVidia CAN pass sound via HDMI, just like the radeons can.... Been that way since the GT240 I believe. :shrug: I know for a fact my lowly GTX 460 can do so.

Perhaps if you took the time to research these things, you wouldn't blindly assume such nonsense?
12-13-2010, 09:58 PM
96redformula

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost POSITIVE NVidia CAN pass sound via HDMI, just like the radeons can.... Been that way since the GT240 I believe. :shrug: I know for a fact my lowly GTX 460 can do so.

Perhaps if you took the time to research these things, you wouldn't blindly assume such nonsense?

Hm, I thought only certain cards in the gtx 400 series had that capability..... Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't gtx480 not have the capability?
12-13-2010, 09:58 PM
bananax

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost POSITIVE NVidia CAN pass sound via HDMI, just like the radeons can.... Been that way since the GT240 I believe. :shrug: I know for a fact my lowly GTX 460 can do so.

Perhaps if you took the time to research these things, you wouldn't blindly assume such nonsense?

really? NV can do LPCM via HDMI? and more than 2 channels?
12-13-2010, 10:03 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by 96redformula

Hm, I thought only certain cards in the gtx 400 series had that capability..... Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't gtx480 not have the capability?

GTX480 did... GTX460 further branched out the ability.

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Originally Posted by bananax

really? NV can do LPCM via HDMI? and more than 2 channels?

Yes... NVidia can do 8 channel(7.1) LPCM via HDMI...

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Originally Posted by anandtech

Meanwhile looking at the IO bracket for the 580, we find the same configuration as we saw on the 480. Below a full-sized vent are 2 DVI ports and a mini-HDMI port. NVIDIA slightly revised their display controller for GF110/GTX580; the good news is that HDMI 1.4a is supported, the bad news is that full audio bitstreaming is not supported so it’s the same as it was on the GTX 480: 8 channel LPCM and lossy audio formats like DD+ and DTS. This actually caught us off-guard since we were expecting the full GF104 treatment here, but it just goes to show that this is a GF100-derrivative after all. Unfortunately this also extends to the number of displays supported – NVIDIA still only supports 2 displays on one card, so you need to run in SLI if you intend to take advantage of 3DVision/NVIDIA surround across 3 monitors.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...orce-gtx-580/4

Sadly NVidia didn't update the ability like they did with the GTX460, but for 8 channel LPCM it can handle it just fine. If THAT is all you're basing your purchase decision on, then you can move over to the more important factors, like price and performance. :up:
12-13-2010, 10:05 PM
dasa

5.1 pcm via hdmi works on my gtx480 as i said above and while its not perfect it sounds a lot better than optical out from the mb
also the max res seems to be 1080p using the hdmi lead that came with my evga gtx480 to the dell u2711

but wasn't this thread about cayman? :)
12-13-2010, 10:07 PM
KoHaN69

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Originally Posted by cowie

I would think your fps would be so slow by the time you ran out of ram that the 2-4 fps increase would not help anyway?

NOPE.

My 5850 struggles w/ 1GB, gotta turn texture down and AA/AF off (TF2, ass in creed2, etc)
12-13-2010, 10:08 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by dasa

5.1 pcm via hdmi works on my gtx480 as i said above and while its not perfect it sounds a lot better than optical out from the mb
also the max res seems to be 1080p using the hdmi lead that came with my evga gtx480 to the dell u2711

but wasn't this thread about cayman? :)

Yep, just had to correct a few mis-informed people... I don't care what brand people go with myself, but I don't like to see people make decisions based on their own misinformation. :up:
12-13-2010, 11:46 PM
ColonelCain

10 pages/ day... jesum crow...
12-13-2010, 11:58 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Yep, just had to correct a few mis-informed people... I don't care what brand people go with myself, but I don't like to see people make decisions based on their own misinformation. :up:

I use DisplayPort for blu-ray playback which Nvidia cards do not even support. My monitor came with a nice long DisplayPort cable. The price for a long HDMI cable is crazy. Sure the 580GTX is nice, but lack of DisplayPort and 2GB of vram are holding me back.
12-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Pantsu

I'm just waiting for the response from this thread when the reviews come out. It's going to be epic. :ROTF:
12-14-2010, 12:01 AM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by safan80

I use DisplayPort for blu-ray playback which Nvidia cards do not even support. My monitor came with a nice long DisplayPort cable. The price for a long HDMI cable is crazy. Sure the 580GTX is nice, but lack of DisplayPort and 2GB of vram are holding me back.

Monoprice is your friend when it comes to cables.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

$5'ish for a 15ft cable...or is that still not long enough?

Either way, I can understand on the needing 2gb of ram considering your monitor size. That, my friend, is a valid reason for a decision. :up:
12-14-2010, 12:05 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

Not sure why would you direct that comment at me, never told you not to buy AMD if you need a specific single brand feature.

I was saying it at trolls who make it out to be something vital to everyone, like this one As if everyone needs 6 displays from one card , it is a very tiny nich market. Same for 7.1 speaker setup over Graphics card HDMI port.

Random gamer out of the box will have more benefit from PhysX and 3D gaming. If you go by tifosi logic you could say "why get AMD if they don't have PhysX".
Then again some people don't care for any of that but very narrow feature set FPS/dollar.

Cool buy what fits your needs, now why troll and post such nonsense. You do realize exact same statement can be said to you. Or anyone else.

by accident didn't see me response to you :)
I''ll repeat again what the 6970 will offer more then your beloved nv580

cost less with probably only few fps less in some games which will never be noticable
2GB ram
less power consumption, so cheaper in the long run
3 monitor setup out of the box (yes we ship 25K units a year like that so I love it that ATI brings that to the plate, only need 1 gpu now)
2 displayport + 1 hdmi + 2dvi got to love the choice without required conversion.
able to combine with APU in the near future for free for enhanced performance.
better cf scaling then SLI

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

I'm just waiting for the response from this thread when the reviews come out. It's going to be epic. :ROTF:

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread...

comments are epic depending on what anyone would expect of a card.

I expect slightly higher 5870 perf with much better dx11 performance with power consumption under controll, very sure i will be right and it is the right card just in time ready for the next shrink to increase perf and size while nv needs the shrink for powercontroll and size controll, that is the opposit and not so bright future of nv.
12-14-2010, 12:16 AM
Aten-Ra

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

able to combine with APU in the near future for free for enhanced performance.
better cf scaling then SLI

can you provide a tech link about those two plz ??
12-14-2010, 12:29 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by Aten-Ra

can you provide a tech link about those two plz ??

I'll rephrase as good as sli scaling :), since nv fanboys have been crying out loud for years that it was better then cf...

From Anandtech forums (scaling performance excl. 6870):

HD 5850 vs HD 6850 vs GTX 470 scaling at 1920x1200

Bad Company 2:::: 72% vs 97% vs 82%
Modern Warefare2: 38% vs 33% vs 69%
Dirt 2::::::::::::::: 59% vs 84% vs 82%
Far Cry 2::::::::::: 76% vs 95% vs 75%
Anno 1404:::::::::: N/A vs 63% vs 86%
Crysis Warhead:::: 63% vs 84% vs 62%
Metro 2033:::::::: 84% vs 100% vs 95%
Average: 65% (HD5850) vs 79% (HD6850) vs 79% (GTX 470)

cf with apu
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/ati_c.../index.php?p=3
12-14-2010, 12:31 AM
Pantsu

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread...

Oh I'll be here don't you worry. :up:

Actually most likely I'll buy a 6970 since I'm going 3-monitor eyefinity next and eventually go crossfire too. Still I don't have delusions about GTX 580 class performance for GTX 570 price or 100$ price drops. AMD will price these according to performance. :yepp:
12-14-2010, 12:59 AM
zpaf

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

Oh I'll be here don't you worry. :up:

Actually most likely I'll buy a 6970 since I'm going 3-monitor eyefinity next and eventually go crossfire too. Still I don't have delusions about GTX 580 class performance for GTX 570 price or 100$ price drops. AMD will price these according to performance. :yepp:

if they are solve the problem with eyefinity+vsync !!!
12-14-2010, 01:01 AM
Aten-Ra

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

cf with apu
http://www.rage3d.com/articles/ati_c.../index.php?p=3

I don't see anywhere referring to CF a VGA with an APU in this article.

I don't say its not possible but the added performance will be minimal (It could even be negative).
12-14-2010, 01:16 AM
Kuroimaho

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

or yours when you see nv is dropping 50$ on the 570 and 100 on the 580 because of competition... but then you'll be no where anymore in this thread....

That would be awesome, would buy 2 580s as soon as that price comes to effect.:D

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