I'm always scouring eBay for some GKX, I dunno how I missed that, unless they were 2x512MB kits. I did manage to snag a 2x1GB Firestix 8000 kit for $32, but I killed one of the sticks pulling the heatspreader :doh:
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No right, I would never buy a used pair. They usually don't last too long as it is so you'd be taking a risk with a used kit. Thanks.
I finally said screw it, I really despise PayPal and EBay so I'm going with these puppies. Retail and a slight price premium but at least I won't have to screw around with some EBay seller if they're no good or DOA.
Team Xtreme DDR2 PC2-9600 1200Mhz and guaranteed Micron D9GKX. Plus if they fail I don't have to worry about them sending back some Qimonda (like some other memory companies have been known to do *cough* Corsair *cough* ). Nice 5-5-5-15 timings but a somewhat high 2.3-2.4v. Well I'll let you guys know how they clock when I get them.
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...xtreemkit.html
Nice sticks, I have a set that can do just under 700 cas5. I am also testing the 1300 in another system which is doing 580 cas4 at 2.45v on a P5Q. Don't sweat the voltage so much just throw good fan cooling on it and your fine,2.35-2.45v is the norm for these sticks.
Amazing. I've been looking for a set to do C5 1333Mhz for short periods of benching and 1100Mhz-1200Mhz or so for 24\7 use. Looks like the Teams are it.
I was also looking at the non D9 2x2GB G. Skill 1200Mhz PC-9600 but they're close to $300. They also have the same 2x2GB set but PC2-8800 for like $80 but they're out of stock. What's with the huge price discrepancy for 100Mhz? Anyways 1100Mhz kit is unlikely to hit 1300Mhz+ speeds.
When you said testing the 1300's did you mean the Team PC2-10400 6-6-6-18 set? Are those 1300Mhz C6 sticks also D9GKX?
That should not be a problem. Here is a single 32meg Pi run I just finished 5 minutes ago with the 1300. Get your happy face ready when this stuff arrives.
2x512 are only good to make a 3 gig total system
i seen firestix 2x512 as low as 15$ i didnt bother
next time you pull the spreader heat her up lol
if you gonna pay so much might as well get the gskills 9600 4 gig set you will love them
put the stix in freezer again then bake @ 200f
Impressive, really low voltage on the CPU and 45% RAM OC at C4. Very nice. Your CPU temps a really low. What are you cooling them with? What Vdimm was that at?
After reading through the thread with the 2x2GB 1200Mhz G. Skills (1250Mhz 1.85v :clap:) I was definitely tempted but these two 2x1GB Team 1200Mhz kits were cheaper in the end by around $30 ($260 for vs $290). You won't get the G.Skills to hit 1333Mhz+. Plus some are reporting average OC on the newer revisions.
@Flesheatinvirus Are you using those rather large looking Thermalright sinks? If not are you just using a fan to cool them?
BTW here are some Firestix 2x1GB for $50 Canadian. While not as good a deal as stated above still not bad for D9GMH. Only like 20 kits left too.
http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.p...3691&subpage=1
So with the D9GMH, D9GKX, etc.. discontinued are the few companies that exclusively use these chips for their high end simply using old stock? How are companies like Team and Cellshock able to get a steady stream of them?
I was thinking about that and was curious if anyone knows because it seems to me that they've been discontinued for a while.
:shrug:
Hmm.... interesting. Are you sure that has relevance to the year they were manufactured? I was also thinking maybe there is still a surplus in Taiwan but because of the lower lifespan and high RMA rates of the D9's most large memory companies don't want to touch them anymore? Just speculating here but I wonder.
hey everyone,listen up,nothing set in stone here yet but i am thinking about selling my two kits of cellshock pc8000's cl4 d9 gkx.cause i really want to get 8gigs of G.skill pc9600's.i like having 8 gigs using my pc8800 g.skills but would love to be able to run 500fsb using the 5:6 for 1200w/8gigs.thats my dream speed for 8 gigs.dont get me wrong the cellshock perform flawlessly for high speeds it just that since i went from dual core to quad core,high fsb speeds are at a premium(500-525fsb) for me at least.and these stick are built for 545fsb and beyond.i will still have my teamgroup ddr2-1300's pc10400's,so i would still retain the ability to reach high ram speeds.well any ways it just a thought at this point.dont want no bidding wars.when and IF i decide to sell them,i'll post it in the for sale section and the first person to PM me that meets the quoted price, will get themselves two kits of cellshock pc8000 cl4 d9 gkx.cheers
Do you really need 8 gigs of memory ?, what are doing on your computer ?, 8 gigs of 9600 gskill is going to cost you over $600:confused:, i can get 6 gigs of corsair 2000 7-8-7-18 for that much, you should consider moving to ddr3. The money you spent on your quad, and that g.skill you want, you could go I7, and smoke that setup you have, nothing against you Raja, your a great guy, seems to me like a waste of money. I agree with zsamz, 8 gigs is way overkill.
well when i get my home recording studio pc built they will go in there.i know they expensive but they are one of the best kits of ram available at the moment,mainly because of the speeds with such low volts.like i said before i really dont do anything with my computer right now except for OCing.so thats why i had to practically find some kind of purpose for it(build a home studio since i play guitar) to justify my non stop purchasing of computer parts.otherwise its alot of money being spent on new parts just to OC it and surf the web to post my OC's.and then buy more to get better OC's to post those OC's.kinda drug like in its addiction.
First off, I look forward to seeing the price on the Cell Shocks :D
Second, I use 8GB without a pagefile and in any games that load between zones or areas, it is awesome. My zone times with pagefile off, while multi boxing EQ Emulator or other games, are less than 1/4 of what they were. I have hit the 90% mark of RAM used and get the system warning to turn pagefile on, even with 8GB.
8GB isn't overkill if you'll make use of it ;)
see now if i was using the 9600's here,then id be at ddr1212 pl8 with 8GB's and id be rocking solid with decent volts and would "of course" be one happy camper.
but im not. its just 8800's and its just "ok".
http://i43.tinypic.com/121pydl.jpg
I just got ANOTHER Cell Shock 8000 C4 kit from ebay which the seller assures me is new and works at 1200mhz 2.2v but it is DOA. :mad: What gives? :shrug:
Ok heres my current micron kit: Crucial ballistix tracer 8500's which are cabable of running cl 5 @ 670mhz @ 2.4v and 600 @ cl4 @ 2.225v
buying two kits more
Crucial ballistix 6400 kit which has micron chips, thought not so good oc'rs
And axeram pc 9600 kit which has micron chips, cabable of running 600 @ cl 4
Wow, you can't even say :banana::banana::banana::banana:roaches?
Anyways, that's exactly the reason I don't mess with EBay. I've never been screwed before but there are just so many dishonest sellers as well as EBays' policies that I feel encourage it. Sales and their little commission is more important. Couple that with Paypal's lack of outside oversight and the odds are you will get screwed eventually.
im going do be getting some rev 1.2 dominators, that and they are said to be d9's and where 33 shipped :)
There are some D9 G.Skill 6400 HZ, Kingston HyperX 8500 and Corsair Dominator 6400 for cheap around the net. Newegg has the Dominator 6400's for like $25 after $40 mail-in-rebate but just look at all the recent reviews, not good. I'm assuming that's where you got them from. Most are claiming DOA and Newegg's policy on RAM has changed. 30 day replacement only. After that you deal with Corsair and are sure to get revision 5.1 or something. 6/10 reviews on the first page alone are saying junk. If you can actually get the rebate then $25 might nor be too much of a gamble.
That's why I went ahead and ordered the Team Xtreem 9600 D9GKX for a bit of a premium. They have a lifetime warranty and are still selling them. You just have to work a bit to get an RMA if they fail.
Corsair D9's have never been anything special. Back in the day Crucial, TeamGroup and CellShock were way better than them, and they still are.
well heres my 9650 and my cellshocks running 8x506=4301 / 4-4-4-10 pl8 1:1.
http://i42.tinypic.com/333xug1.jpg
Yeah I'm in the process of organising a refund. If he doesn't give me my money back, Paypal will.
In the meantime, my other Cell Shock 8000 C4 kit has started working flawlessly - I no longer get the "C1" error code with a cold boot. I decided to do some benching at 2.3v to see how high I could get it. 1200 4-4-4 didn't happen, but I got 1100 4-4-4-12 and 1000 4-3-3-8. :cool:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...DR1100CAS4.png
Here's a couple of benches. I can't wait to pick up a new P45 hopefully sometime next week, I can hear this RAM begging me to give it more voltage but alas I can only give them 2.50. These are at 2.45 (BIOS). I think they could easily do 950Mhz C3, 1200Mhz C4 and 1333+Mhz C5 with some more juice.
3-3-3-8 875Mhz
http://i40.tinypic.com/ornqj8.jpg
4-3-3-8 1120Mhz
http://i40.tinypic.com/r6zgiw.jpg
It took some drilling to get the job done, but my Cellshock D9GKX sticks are finally free of their heatspreaders :D (2 screws on each were proper jammed in... needed the drill to get through the screw head so the spreaders would just pop off :up: ) Hoping to get some real results with these sticks now, they stay MUCH cooler with the spreaders off with just my XTC memory cooler over them.
Deffinately :up: I expect to see you getting near 9k, now go! And do not disappoint us :D :p:
can i join with DCD's? lol
http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture047.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture048.jpg
Any micron sillicon is welcome in this thread :D
any suggestions on tweaking those down 4-3-3-8 was a no go as was CL3 tested up to 3.5v cpu is getting very close to its max
http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture049.jpg
Some Everest bench shots :).
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9412/cachemem34lb2.png
Setup:http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6...stroikiwg9.jpg
And some shots with UD3P. Good memory frequencies, but P45 cant run at PL7 :).
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8...hemem46lg1.png
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2...hemem52ro0.png
I'v come to the conclusion its my UD3P thats stopping me from getting high MHz.
I know its meant to be great for ram overclocking, well mine is :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
So whats the next best?
That's a good question. I'm also looking to pick up another motherboard and was considering a UD3P but have been hearing mixed results. I owned a ASUS P5Q for a short while (letting my brother use, have it? IDK) but never did any memory overclocking with it but it's a very nice board for the price.
For say $150, what's a nice P45 based motherboard to get that can handle high memory clocks? I heard that the cheaper ASUS boards have poor voltage regulation. How it the UD3P in that respect?
Do you guys have any experience with MSI boards? I was looking at the P45 Platinum.
mr roboto,your best bet is the UD3P for what your wanting/price.it just cant be beat.
I see you have one. How's the BIOS support? If I rem,ember correctly from the old A64 939 days they start their BIOS revisions at F4 right? Surely they have put out more than one BIOS since it's release? Why are using the first one?
Also how's RAM overclocking on that board?
for the UD3P it started with F3 and they are up to F8 now so biossupport is fairly decent.im on F$ cause im in the process of trying them all out.the uD3P gets better bios support than the UD3R.and so far i like bios F5 the best.here are a few good memoryOC's on this page.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...201773&page=40
Yeah awesome. I can't wait to really push this RAM. I got some decent speeds at 2.5v (my BIOS limit) but they just keep scaling so well with voltage that it's not enough :p:.
I don't see anything close to the UD3P as far as features and price\performance go. Though I could do without the extra PCI-e slot. Thanks.
Oh also, I think my 680i is undervolting this RAM. When I first got this kit and installed them, my board refused to boot at the default 800Mhz 1.85v. I had to remove one stick, then set the voltage to 2.0v, shut it down then pop in the other stick just to get into the BIOS. I even tried them in the other slots but the same result. IDK. I should test with a multimeter.
Next best board for memory OCing is probably a P5Q Deluxe with one of my mBIOSes. Got my GKX sticks to 1200MHz pretty easy and even had the system POST @ 1300MHz with I think it was 2.3v. Not bad at all for GKX sticks. Bit more juice 1300 probably would of been stable.
if you dont need the extra pcie slot get the UD3R it clocks just as good and its only behind by two or three bios's and of course it cheaper.if you want the best P45 memory OCing board that would be the DFI DK-P45-TR2SBplus,or DFI UT-P45-TR2S,they both demolish all P45 boards with memory scores and memory performance.of course P35 and X48 will also do this
2-3 BIOS revisions behind is quite a large gap...
yes it is,but what people are achieving with the bios's available are still amazing,so i guess it kind of a trade of for the price
For people in the US, the UT P35 can be had at an absolute steal: http://www.motherboardpro.com/DFI-La...ATX-p-338.html
OMG that is an unbelievable price,its hard not to just get it while its so cheap.if my MIIF was sold already my finger would already have pushed the purchase button.
How does the DFI overclock CPU's? It always seems like a trade off with expensive boards. It's rare that you'll find the best of both worlds. Of course all tech is like that I suppose.
Also those boards you mentioned aren't that much more expensive than the Gigabyte. To me $30-$75 more is worth it for a better board. It's when you get in the $200 plus range that it's not.
What's the difference between the DK P45-T2RS and the P45-T2RS PLUS? So far All I can tell is 2 SATA plugs on the plus model. Unless the plus runs true 2x16 PCI-e?
The plus model also supposedly uses the newer rev. A3 chipset, which apparently OCs slightly better and needs less voltage to do it.
Someone managed 600MHz FSB with the UT P45 here. I also recall seeing someone manage that same FSB speed with the UT P35 somewhere.
according to eva2000,even though the P45 DK plus has the A3 revision chipset,he says that it performs about the same as the non plus version.
For the small difference in price, its worth picking up the plus version imo :up: any extra chance of getting a killer chipset is a good chance.
i agree with you on that.if it was me i would go for the plus version,but for people who might be very strapped for cash,they wont be missing out too much,i guess is where im getting at.cheers
The UD3P is normally I good board, mines great at clocking my Quad (look at my sig :p:) but it can't do anything great with RAM. Even other people have broken 1700MHz no matter I do mine can't break 1360MHz :(
BTW my ram is pretty good it does 1066MHz CAS 5 on 1.9v.
My GKX does 1066 Cas4 @ 1.8v :D nana :p:
Nice :clap:
I can't even do 1066MHz CAS4 on 2.3v :(
But i'd say its something to do with the mobo, cause on my old P5E I did 1111MHz+ on CAS4 @ 2.3v.
my ram is sad now it appears that 3 days @3.25v may be slowly killing it oh well of to the freezer for it
When I overclock my RAM should I have the X.M.P. on auto or disabled?
i always set it to disabled.
Hey guys, i saw a thread here somewhere, with somebody hitting 670 fsb with the dfi dk p45 trs2, looks like a killer board, but the ud3p is killer to, didnt highcookie hit 675 fsb with the ud3p, but i agree with Zsamz, i dont like gigabytes.
It looks like there was some D9GMH manufactured in 2008 after all. This is a shot of the chips on the G.Skill HK kit I got in today from MemoryC as a replacement for my Cellshock 8000 C5 that died.
The DFI LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS is actually cheaper that then the other by about $5 at Newegg for $149.99.
Well now I'm torn between the Gigabyte UD3P and the DFI P45-T2RS.
My Team Group GKX are also made in 2008.Quote:
It looks like there was some D9GMH manufactured in 2008 after all. This is a shot of the chips on the G.Skill HK kit I got in today from MemoryC as a replacement for my Cellshock 8000 C5 that died.
I went thru 3 gigabyte board in 4 months, one of them died on me, i can safely say i wont own one again. I have my first asus board, much better :up:, and now im buying my 2nd asus board. Zsamz if your considering a ddr3 board, the asus rampage extreme is the best of the best, thats going to be my new board.
You have a longggggggggggggggg wait for ddr4, ddr3 is just getting going, its up to 2133 cas 7, THATS BORING ?, probally hit 2500-2600 before it goes ddr4, i made the switch to ddr3 glad i did.
I see what you're saying. No the IC's have a 7 on them. Everest reports they were made in 2008, but that could have just been when they were assembled.
IMO the price to performance of DDR3 is focked. You have to spend some serious cash to get 2000Mhz DDR3 with any decent latency. Who wants DDR3 1600Mhz C9? Not me, I'll stick with DDR2 for another 9 months or so. Still waiting for the DDR3 equivalent of the Micron D9. That's what makes it boring to me.
Hi,
I flash my P5E with the last Rampage formula bios and I have access to the skew setting over the CPU and the NB.
Before this bios I couldn't stabilise this kit of cellshock PC 8500 even at 1200 cas5 .
but now I've succeed on this:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7...t127sj9.th.png
Very nice!
If you guys were buying a DDR2 775 board just for benching (Pi and 01 mostly) what would it be? Needs to hit high FSB of course. Crossfire support would be a plus but not a requirement :)
Gigabyte UD3x series, DFI DK P45 or X48 Plus, DFI UT P35 or P45.
Well, I received the Crucial 2x2Gb Ballistix Tracers meant to replace my 4x1gb 8500 Ballistix Tracer 16fd3's.
They are kit of 2X2GB BL25664AL80A, 16FE5. white sticker under CRUCIAL.COM reads: number 20 in circle with: CL1119P.35 103638
They sent them in a thin plastic bubble wrap envelope packaged in the standard plastic Crucial 2 pak, I'm amazed they were'nt bent or broken. Of course the email they sent me about my returning my 4x1gb had a stern warning about how I should package the modules correctly and responsibly or they would not be responsible for the damage. :)
Here are my thoughts on the new 2x2gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6400:
They dont overclock as well as the original 4x1gb 16fd3's setup, but I guess they are close. They had no problem doing my lastest 24/7 overclock of
q6600 @8x430, 3440mhz CPU, 2X2GB 1076mhz@55515 2.0v on Asus p5k deluxe.
Whats a little disturbing to me is the performance numbers, especially the Everest memory latency which i find is a number you can actually feel when gaming and in computer response.
My orginal 4x1gb setup actually got better Everest Memory Latency of
51.3 with 4x1gb 16fd3's
I was expecting Everest Memory Latency to improve going to 2x2gb setup.
This is not the case with the New 2x2gb Tracers. With the same overclock of q6600@8x430, 3440mhz CPU, 2X2GB 1076mhz@55515 2.0v
On Asus p5k deluxe I get Everest Memory Latency of 52.8. not bad but slower than before.
The difference being the memory subtimings on the New 2x2gb tracers.
Especially the refresh cycle time trfc.
On my old 4x1gb 16df3 tracers I ran subtimings of 3 30 3 3.
On the new 2x2gb tracers refresh cycle time trfc is a whopping 52 on memset. I can set it down to 46 before i get bsod.
This proably accounts for the Everest Memory latency of 52.8 with new 2x2gb set. On my old 4x1gb Tracer setup I had a trfc of 30. Why is the trfc so high?
Is this common to all 2x2gb sets? I have also tested the new set up to 1100mhz 9x333 with no problem. I'm not happy with the very high trfc of 52 Its killing the Everest Memory Latency number which for me equates to computer response.
The one good set of 2x1gb Tracers i have left can get a 49.5 memory latency @ 44412 1076mhz with the 8x430.
I dont know if im going to keep the new 2x2gb Tracers and send back my 4x1gb. I will have to give that some thought. My old 4x1 setup was slightly faster. I may send these back and just stay 2x1gb and pick up a second 2x1gb or try another 2x2gb set.
Thinking about trying this Gskill set here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
Has anyone had any experience with these?
Bcc335 :)
try the ram at a higher speed i got that set to 1266 6-5-6-16
bbc335 you better off with the gskills 7200 pi cas 4
if you can get to higher fsb you be better though
Try setting 4-4-4 sub timings then reducing TRFC.
those tracers are some of the best clocking 2x2GB sticks out there i would keep those
If you don't want to keep them... give them to me :D
Its not that I don't want to keep them! :D
The problem is whether or not I can bring myself to trade a working set of 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix Tracers that will do q6600 @8x430 1075mhz @ 44415 all day at 2.2v with the lowest 24/7 Everest memory latency score I have to date :D of 49.5.
Haven' t decided yet still testing the 2x2gb Tracers.
However I'm leaning toward sending the 2x2gb back. Here's why, I don't wont to have only one decent pair of ram around. If these new buggers fail and they will, I will be hanging out Zippidy Dodah waiting on Crucial to replace them with no ace in the hole backup. :yepp:
My thoughts, keep my hot rod 2x1 gb (Known Quantity) :)
Send the 2x2gb tracers back, get the gskill 8500 I linked to in my last post and test them out versus the 2x2gb tracers. If they are better their keepers, not as good back they go and I can then get a set of the 2x2 gb tracers. In the meantime I still have my ace in the hole 2x1gb hotrods on standby. :D With the option of keeping my other bad set of 2x1gb Tracers 16fd3s and trying to replace the one bad stick with one from one of you kind Chuckle heads :D or swap them with Crucial for the new 2x1gb tracer 8500 :D
BTW, The only way I could get the Refresh Cycle Time (trfc) below 45 was set FSB TO NORTHBRIDGE strap to 333 and set memory to 860mhz running @ 44415 with Everest memory latentcy of around 56.8. the lowest i could set trfc to was 42 on asus p5k deluxe bios. Next lowest setting was 35 and it would not post @ 35 however it would go down to 36 using memset :D So far I cant run any other speed above 860mhz without setting trfc to auto and it then SPD's to 51 after that I'm able to get it down to 46 with memset. As i mentionted before with my old 4x1gb 8500 Tracers I was running subtimings of 3 30 3 3. From 30 to 51. Wrong direction :)
What's up with this massive "SPD" Refresh Cycle Time (trfc) spd of 51?
I'll ask again for you guys with 2x2gb ddr2, Is this normal for all 2x2gb ddr2 ram?
A high tRFC is normal for 2GB sticks.
G.Skill pc8000 HZ is some :hump: good memory:up:
I did get one pair of them couble of days ago, will test them hard tonight:D
Shiranui Gen An,thanks for the UT-P35-TR2 link,i just purchased myself one of these bad boys.finally ill be getting some decent bandwidth.
i plan on using my UD3P for my quad for now and the UT-P35-T2R will use my E8500.so i think ill be just fine.cause the kind of bandwidth im talking about comes from very high fsb speeds and thats too hard with a quad no matter what board im using.