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09-30-2005, 12:43 PM
el rolio

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinister1st

EL R if you can get to 2.7ghtz are you using the 9 or 10 multi? If 9 go for 2.5-4-4-7 and see what your scores are. 2.7 for a winnie is good most of them top out at 2.5 or 2.6. If your happy at 2.5ghtz you should be able to get by with 2.55 volts on your tccd and no errors in memtest86. I would push it further and get errors down to almost none in TEST 5 AND OR 8 and do pi test and memtest for windows and a little prime. ALL that nice hardware you have why not save the winnie for a spare rig and get a new opteron chip? :banana: :toast: :)

well see now this is the deal. i know for sure my 2.5 was and always had been stable at 250x10. thats what i ran with my bh-5 on the 166 divider and then i got the rev2's to hopefully match that at 1:1. ok fine so they did, but with the 2.5-4-4-10 timings. i could not get it stable at all with 2.5-3-3. then sideeffect told me that was horrible and i agreed. but hte problem is, as you clearly understand, that it errors with more voltage. so 2.6v is max volts i can put in it seems. ok fine.

then i said, well lemme do a lil test anyways to see if since i CANT use more volts and CANT use tighter timings, what can i do with this ram voltage and timings? what kinda speed right?
bu first, check if its a moot point or not by seeing what the cpu would do anyways. i had never really taken it past the 250x10 anyways on the air.

well i dropped all the multies of course and edged the htt up up up with the 10x multi stock. testing with small ffts to see what kinda ceiling i had. well it got to 270x10 pretty easy (after a while of course) errored at like 273, so i backed it down, tested for a while etc. then said ok, 2.7ghz is good cuz i can use the ol 300x9 multi if i want maybe, use the 270 x 10, etc.... AWESOME.

ok now time to test the ram. so uh, it wouldnt even go past 256 with the 2.6v and 2.5-4-4. so basically i could go nowhere with it. my wall is this hinderance with the volts. i mean its frikken ironic i gave up on using my booster.... gave up on my beautiful bh-5s and got TCCD which shoulda never needed more than the board max of 2.85 to acheive high htt speeds.... yet i cant even use more than 2.6v without gettin what i can only assume is heat errors :(

help me sinister-westcoast-man!
09-30-2005, 12:47 PM
el rolio

oh and yea, about the 144 or whatev. eclipse had mentioned it. i think its the eventual plan for sure. i mean ive gotta keep this system going till the initial m2 batch reaches adolesence... aka pre maturity. so if htey launch mid 2k6, then i'd look into it nov 2k6... exactly 2 years after beginning this system. and i think the opterOWN as they call it and 2x1gb sticks of hte best ram will be what i gotta use until then. thats the plan at least. i figure i could trade out the rev2's and the golds for it eh? bu htats future. but for sure hte opterown is in my near future. broke now but i wont be after xmas! tadah! and availability should be good then, cuz i dunno where the hell i would get one now.

and yea i always been proud of my winnie, just wish i could get the RIGHT combination of components yu kno?
09-30-2005, 02:09 PM
Losphoron

i just make some tests with 1:1 and with more cheaper kingmax PC3200 i get a 230mhz without any windows errors and two things i saw:
i done two doom3 consecutive "timedemo1" and it passed succesfully no crashes and of course nfsu2 begin to crash again...Vga throttling (sorry my english is not so good)
09-30-2005, 04:11 PM
sinister1st

EL r --dam 270x10 is GOOD for a winnie. My 3500 is a :slap: 2.6 at the most. So it looks like your stuck because of your ram then. Well i can tell you one thing some people say that burning in the ram is useless but ill tell you i had the same problems with my ram erroring out at 2.65 but after about 3 mos it started getting less errors, and the memory controller on mine just wasnt that good. U can try a64 tweaker and maybe try 256 clocks with SEs tccd bios but it looks like you have tried it. You can try and do a search and look at some tccd gsill timings and give it a go AND have you tried switching ram slots? Test one stick at time and see wich ones the weakest link but i wouldnt expect more than 2.5 2.6ish out of that winnie. You do have ocz ram you might want to hunt down one of the ocz reps on here and ask them some good tweaks they are on here and they probably know the killer tweaks with them.

Right now im looking into the 2gb GSKILL :fact: for this board. After christmas :woot: when my wife and kids suck the life out of me IM GETTING ME SOME! :toast:
09-30-2005, 09:05 PM
sideeffect

Released Revision 2 of my 1.B mod. Its just a cosmetic fix so nothing really extra. :slap:

- All New Menu Layout :cool:
- Fixed 150 divider option not showing :woot:
- New Full screen logo

Link to my Site

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//drammenu.jpg
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//cellmenu.jpg

- Please someone whos good at art make me a nice fullscreen logo for my bios files. I really suck at it.

- D3kMatrix If you add these to your site i would just replace the rev1 1.B because they function the same this just has fixes and looks better.
09-30-2005, 11:53 PM
Millyons

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Released Revision 2 of my 1.B mod. Its just a cosmetic fix so nothing really extra. :slap:

- All New Menu Layout :cool:
- Fixed 150 divider option not showing :woot:
- New Full screen logo

Link to my Site

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//drammenu.jpg
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//cellmenu.jpg

- Please someone whos good at art make me a nice fullscreen logo for my bios files. I really suck at it.

- D3kMatrix If you add these to your site i would just replace the rev1 1.B because they function the same this just has fixes and looks better.

Sideeffect, can anything be done about DATA Strenght in bios, or more options for Drive strenght??? plz we need it on the Neo2
09-30-2005, 11:55 PM
D3kMatrix

koo, nice work.

I'll update the page as soon as I can tommorow =)

BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D
10-01-2005, 05:06 AM
Mehran

So! hey u all answered everyone but me!
I have two problems with this mobo (:banana::banana::banana::banana:!)
1- I'm not able to use my USB joypad under this boared (The USB option in my bios is enabled)
2- When I overclock at 2700 for example after a while I hear a whistle and my system freezes. PLZ HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!
10-01-2005, 09:14 AM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

koo, nice work.

I'll update the page as soon as I can tommorow =)

BTW I think I might have been successfull in getting my GT to clock to its normal OC of Ultra settings in the 1.B Standard MOD :D

Cool how did you do it ?
10-01-2005, 10:42 AM
VaCreeper

I know this is a dumb question.. :stick: but where can I monitor my dimm voltage, other than on my booster :confused:

TY :D
10-01-2005, 11:13 AM
Nossie

Ive tested my 2 x 512mb "Geil Ultra-x BH-5 2-2-2-5 1t" sticks with the msi k8n neo2 platinum 54G board @ sideeffects 1.B Standard mod bios. But ive got a strange problem, i read may people reached 240-260mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2~3.4vdimm with these sticks but i cant even get over 218 mhz 2-2-2-5 1t (HT 4x) no matter how may volts i give (3.2+) :(

200mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 2.85volt in bios = blue screens in windows
200mhz 2-3-3-6 1t @ 2.85volt in bios = stable @ memtest & windows
210mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.0volt on ddrbooster = stable @ memtest & windows
218mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.2volt on ddrbooster = stable @ memtest & windows
219+mhz 2-2-2-5 1t @ 3.2 ~ 3.5volt on ddrbooster = blue screens in windows

you guys maby got some tips (other bios etc) for me or do you think i just got some crappy sticks
10-01-2005, 01:00 PM
Dr.Leary

Unfortunatly 2X512Mb BH-5 won't go any higher on this board. I tried with Twinmos speed premium BH-5 and got about the same results as you. My Mushkin Redline CH-5 UTT worked great though before I had to RMA them.
10-01-2005, 01:13 PM
Millyons

if they are BH5 they should work at 200 2-2-2-5 @2.8 you should test your sticks individualy and rma them if needed..........

i also had problems with ALL my ram :)

2 sets of 2x512mb OCZ Gold (New BH5) - all 4 sticks are stable individualy around 250@3.3v 2-2-2-5 but cant get them to work in DC above 235 whatever the voltage (up to 3.6)

KHX 3200 2x512 (Old BH5) same thing (they worked on a s754 230-240ish @ 3.2 paired up)

G.Skill 4400LE 2x512 (TCCD) well thats realll fun i have no idea wtf i did and didnt do they are hell to get stable, my mobo and/or cpu died while i was testing them so i dont know what they do.

I think my problems are mostly mobo since all these tests were with cpu multies were at 9 or less...........and a e3 and e6 (garbage) venices i tried were about the same with ram clocks. One thing is that all this was really limmited testing couple weeks, with all new parts (except KHX) so it could be anything, the vdimm also had almost .1v drops between load and idle (stable at either though) with the 3.3v rail mod so that could have been causing it ......but anywiy ill know better when i get my replacment mobo and cpu in couple days n test that

edit: PS Nossie, did u check your vdimm with the Booster since i got a booster i dont use since the voltages danc around like crazy i have over 0.2v variations with it
10-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Losphoron

if my mobo/proc will die i will step myself on my :banana::banana::banana::banana: :S..I spent 3 salaries on mobo/proc/one memory...my country is pretty poor. :(
10-01-2005, 01:52 PM
Millyons

Quote:

Originally Posted by Losphoron

if my mobo/proc will die i will step myself on my :banana::banana::banana::banana: :S..I spent 3 salaries on mobo/proc/one memory...my country is pretty poor. :(

what country is that mine is poor also, most PCs sold here are Asus XXXXXXX n 256mb of ram :( or with Pentium IV c128 :slapass:
10-01-2005, 02:00 PM
Nossie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millyons

if they are BH5 they should work at 200 2-2-2-5 @2.8 you should test your sticks individualy and rma them if needed.............

yes, they do run 200 2-2-2-5 @ 2.8~2.9vdimm , but only with the ddr booster installed. if i set 2.85 volt in bios without the booster i get memtest errors ;s

This is maby causing this issue (From OCforums.com) :

Quote:

This is important to know, that if you set manually Trcd(RAS to CAS Delay) to '2' from bios, it forces your Memory Voltage to 2,7V.
10-01-2005, 06:02 PM
msimax

quick ?? i have my card at 685/610 core/mem when benchin in 3dmark05 my gpu is at 38c
and the boards peak at 60c is that really bad or normal for x800 at this overclock
10-01-2005, 06:10 PM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by msimax

quick ?? i have my card at 685/610 core/mem when benchin in 3dmark05 my gpu is at 38c
and the boards peak at 60c is that really bad or normal for x800 at this overclock

Totally normal, 60C isn't high for a GPU at all, esp if it has stock cooling.
My GT @ Ultra w/ a 1.4v mod runs at 57c with the Zalman on it. With the stock cooler it ran like 83c load @ stock clocks and 1.3v

I know a few people with nvidia cards even run them at 100C +

They arn't like CPUs, they can take the heat.
10-01-2005, 06:48 PM
sideeffect

Yes my card runs hot to 60 degrees at load.
10-01-2005, 08:24 PM
D3kMatrix

BIOS page updated

Added:

v1.B MOD Rev2 Standard Edition by Sideeffect
v1.B MOD Rev2 Ballistix Edition by Sideeffect
v1.B MOD Rev2 TCCD Edition by Sideeffect
10-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Millyons

the trcd@2 0.1v vdimm drop from what i tested only happens with "normal" vdimm, i didnt see it with the vmod or the booster
10-01-2005, 10:30 PM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millyons

the trcd@2 0.1v vdimm drop from what i tested only happens with "normal" vdimm, i didnt see it with the vmod or the booster

Because the booster doesn't go by the settings in BIOS, it just backfeeds the RAM slots with w/e voltage you set it to.

Not affected by MSI's crappy BIOS quirks :P
10-02-2005, 02:19 AM
Losphoron

i am from Romania. ex-comunist :banana::banana::banana::banana:y country that suck :banana::banana::banana::banana:s from all UE countries
10-02-2005, 05:24 AM
Special_K

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Nossie - K gets the exact same 218MHz barrier as you =[

do you know what revision your mobo is? is it A1 like this one?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=37789
10-02-2005, 06:08 AM
Mehran

So hey! Am I not here?!
somebody answer me PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Thx all.

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