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09-23-2005, 10:46 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draxx

1.45v is the max you can select, then the % over that value. I run 1.45v with 3.3% added to give me 1.475v.

Thanx for your help.
I'm pretty confused about this mobo's voltages!
09-23-2005, 10:47 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMM

where memtest might indicate that you memory is ok, prime95 might fail. Prime is more sensitive to memory errors then memtest. If you can't get it stable at 2.7, then why are you going for 2.8??! :stick:

I think you've hit the limit of your chip on on your cooling, or it need more voltage. Not all chips clock the same, even with identical steppings

Nope. Prime is OK too. and that's what I wanna know.
Why it's not stable at 2700?!
I first need to find a way to get it stable (With your help of course) and then I go for 2800! :D
And about cooling again no. I'm pretty sure it is running cool.
Need more Voltage?! Are u kidding? I tried 1.80 too! :nono:
09-23-2005, 11:30 AM
el rolio

ok guys, so i upgraded to TCCD memory as you know and also finished replacing my psu fan AND also tried out that 81mhz on agp thing and its pretty cool, got a bit faster. question: does this affect the sata? is it locked still if i use that 81mhz agp setting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Leary

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfold...3/biosbild.jpg

ok so about that pic: i upgraded from the 1.8nfm bios to the 1.b sideeffect tccd mod. now i have all these options for ram and i want to need to tune my ram better. what should i do with those above the red line (besides the 2.5-3-3 that ive already set?) im running at 250 1:1 now and.... i'll take pics later. in the meantime i set them to auto like in this pic, but they came at 2t and i wasnt sure what to do with em.
09-23-2005, 05:54 PM
el rolio

ok stability issues, i again had to go back to my 1.8(modv3) bios by nfm..... hmm

now i gotta figure the best way to tune my tccd for stability and to match my cpu OC.
09-24-2005, 01:06 AM
Losphoron

hello
Just solved my crashes in games..Now i got back to OC both the cpu and the vga.With the system in my signature i got it stable now at 260x9 and htt 3x but with 8.0% over the default cpu vcore..I run some bechmarks (3dmark) and played some games like nfsu2 and runned perfectly...I will try today to get more but this is already a huge bonus got with a DDR333 bank..the timings now are 2.5,3,3,7.I am very happy with this system..I begin to reach higher frequencies with pretty cheap memory banks..Soon i will change the DDR333 bank and i hope some dual channel will begin the journey..
09-24-2005, 03:22 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

For the screen shot in my sig while running 2850MHz I had it set to 1.45 + 5%. Which makes it about 1.5v for me.

Now for 24/7 I run it at 2800 1.425 + 3.3%

You sure ur chip is the same exact stepping as mine tho? If it really is u have the worst clocking APAW I've seen yet :P

What kind of cooling do u have? Temps?

If you need 1.7v to post at 2700, I say ur reaching the max of something.

Thx.
I'm pretty sure it's the same as u. 3200+ Venice, Part number: ADA3200DAA4BP
The cooling just don't laugh but I think nice:
Stock cooling. I however applied some kinda strange paste which keeps it very cool.
@ Default: 2000MHz, 1.4v, Idle = 19C, Heavy load 100% = 34C!
And btw in a review they overclocked a 3000 Venice to 2.8 with default voltages and stock cooling.
So what shoud I do?
Thx in advance.
09-24-2005, 03:24 AM
Mehran

btw I have a 6800NU should I set that AGPFreq. @ 81 too?
Does that really make a diffrence?
I hate 3DMark 2005 coz the max score I could achive was 4700!
Others more than 5000!
09-24-2005, 04:53 AM
pazza316

Has anyone else here had problems with A64 tweaker applying settings on start up to this board. Mine applies settings but they are not the ones I set!! . I have tried several versions of A64 Tweaker. Which bios if any solves this problem?
09-24-2005, 06:33 AM
sideeffect

A64 tweaker 0.31 is the only official version the other 2 versions are beta Codered states that at his site.

Only 0.31 works on startup.
09-24-2005, 11:23 AM
Mehran

So?!?!?! Any suggestions for me then?!
09-24-2005, 11:54 AM
sideeffect

It really depends Mehran It helps under certain circumstances. The only way your going to know if it helps you or not is by testing yourself. Use ATItools artifact scanner to scan for artifacts at 66 mhz agp freq then keep upping the core clock until u get artifacts.

then use Nforce 3 tweaker to change fsb freq to 81 mhz and run ATI tool again. If the artifacts have gone then it has helped you.
09-24-2005, 11:59 AM
Special_K

hello sideeffect

are you running 2x1GB of Ballistix?

hello Mehran

take a look at this thread for o/c on the venice
09-24-2005, 11:12 PM
el rolio

man i think the 81 mhz on the agp, tho givin me good bench scores... corrupted my hdd's i think. i spent all last night and this mornin cleanin up the mess and had to boot to windows recovery console to run a chkdsk. :( back to 66 for meeee
09-24-2005, 11:25 PM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by el rolio

man i think the 81 mhz on the agp, tho givin me good bench scores... corrupted my hdd's i think. i spent all last night and this mornin cleanin up the mess and had to boot to windows recovery console to run a chkdsk. :( back to 66 for meeee

Thats really surpising since raising the AGP bus to 81MHz is only a 7.5MHz increase on the PCI/IDE bus. Normally not anywhere close to currupting HDD's.
Maybe it was something else. Were You testing new ram timings or anything? Any power outages latly?
09-25-2005, 12:14 AM
Losphoron

Matrix is that your girl from the avatar ? :P
09-25-2005, 12:40 AM
D3kMatrix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Losphoron

Matrix is that your girl from the avatar ? :P

I wish :P

I think it's Jenifer Lopez.
09-25-2005, 02:34 AM
ridczak

I have a "small" problem with my new config (Venice 3000+ E6 0535). It goes like that:

1. CPU - 2700@~1,6V RAM divider 133 (as I can remember) - so memory ~192MHz - stable*

So, I made Vdimm mod (3.3V directly from PSU line - it's BH-5). I'm not sure how much it is exactly, tomorrow I'm taking an multimeter from my company and measure the real voltage. In BIOS it says 3.27V. I made following tests (all cl2 2 2 5 1t):

2. CPU 4x250, Ram divider 200 (250MHz cl2 2 2 5) memtest86 passed, winxp starts & is stable*

So, it's working. Being happy I try:

3. 9x280 (2520 not too stressful), RAM 166 (~229MHz cl2 2 2 5) and NOTHING. Even Windows does't want to boot, it crashes just while booting or at the beginning. Ram divider 150 & also nothing.

So, maybe dividers make this mess:

4. 9x250 (9x245) RAM 200 (250/245MHz cl2 2 2 5) and nothing again. With 250MHz only clear cmos jumper helps. With 240 it seems a bit better, Windows starts but is no stable at all.

5. Now 9x270 RAM 166 (~220MHz cl2 2 2 5) and nothing again. Superpi 32M - BSOD after a while.

Now the main question: what is going on? (WTF? ;)) RAM seems to work fine with 250MHz cl2225 but only with CPU working with low multiplier. With standard 9x multiplier they cannot do even 220MHz. Is it caused by:

1. PSU not giving enough V on 3.3V line with more stress? (I'm going to measure it tomorrow, in BIS it stays 3.26 - 3-28V). Is it possible to increase 3.3V line in this Enermax? Maybe it will help to use OCZ DDR booster instead of Vdimm mod.

2. Memory controller in my Venice is a piece of crap/:banana::banana::banana::banana: and with higher clock its performance degrades and it cannot work with so fast memory.

3. This RAM is a piece of crap - however I don't think so. The mainboard is bad or doesn't cooperate with this ram well - however people make on this board and RAM ~250MHz.

* Stable - at the moment Superpi 16M/32M is enough for me

ps. Bioses: 1.B from Sideeffect, 1.36mod (1T), 1.8mod
ps2. HTTx3, voltage on CPU is enough (it doesn't seem to be a case here), tried RAM in both channels.
09-25-2005, 02:44 AM
TMM

Sometimes Athlon64's don't like to run high HTTs on certain dividers. over 280, i can't even POST with a 133 mem divider, but 100 and 166 work (can't do 200 as my mem won't do 280, lol). Some cpus allow a higher CPU clock when the ram clock is low, and a higher ram clock when the CPU clock is low.
09-25-2005, 03:52 AM
Losphoron

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

I wish :P

I think it's Jenifer Lopez.

jenifer Lopez SUCKS.....I prefer Laetitia Casta thousands of times...Anyway i don't think that is J LO ... That girl in the pic is more prety and the body looks more ...intersting
09-25-2005, 06:49 AM
ridczak

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMM

Sometimes Athlon64's don't like to run high HTTs on certain dividers. over 280, i can't even POST with a 133 mem divider, but 100 and 166 work (can't do 200 as my mem won't do 280, lol). Some cpus allow a higher CPU clock when the ram clock is low, and a higher ram clock when the CPU clock is low.

So, probably mem controller in CPU. :( It would explain why it makes 250 1:1 with lower multiplier and cannot boot with 9x. No good. I will have to test it more... :stick:
09-25-2005, 09:18 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

It really depends Mehran It helps under certain circumstances. The only way your going to know if it helps you or not is by testing yourself. Use ATItools artifact scanner to scan for artifacts at 66 mhz agp freq then keep upping the core clock until u get artifacts.

then use Nforce 3 tweaker to change fsb freq to 81 mhz and run ATI tool again. If the artifacts have gone then it has helped you.

Thx, I think the best for me now is 71. I will test again with other freq.s.
Thanx for your help.
09-25-2005, 09:19 AM
Mehran

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special_K

hello sideeffect

are you running 2x1GB of Ballistix?

hello Mehran

take a look at this thread for o/c on the venice

Thx special. ;)
09-25-2005, 09:33 AM
Mehran

BTW do I have to detach my CPU in order to find out that number?
For example : LBBLE 0515APAW
09-25-2005, 10:22 AM
ridczak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehran

BTW do I have to detach my CPU in order to find out that number?
For example : LBBLE 0515APAW

Yes
09-25-2005, 10:47 AM
sideeffect

I use 2 x 512 mb ballistix.

Also rasing the AGP bus doesnt raise the pci bus the pci bus is locked. The disk drives go through the pci bus not the AGP bus so raising the AGP bus wouldnt corrupt your harddrives.

If you open up nforce 3 clockgen and raise the agp bus you will see the pci bus stays locked at 33.3 mhz.

The nforce 3 has independant busses unlike the Via chipsets that use dividers.

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