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already told ya that the red pentosin would turned out more pinkish...
this why Petra's has that long life red coolant for more reddish color...
or maybe just add some UV dye?
true enough, customs is really a hassle even here. even on a box of books from amazon worth $100, the greedy customs tax $17...
You should be getting the package shortly then :D Once it was available from customs, I got it within a couple of days - very exciting stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by MnM
You will definitely be getting your stuff from Petra's early next week - they ship real fast (thru customs as well, never had a delay like I did with the UFO)Quote:
I have also managed to get Quok to ship my items yesterday.
No, not me, don't have one.. :p:Quote:
Now you were NOT the one who bought the last bigNG from PCCG were you? :D
Now time to find an international seller of bigNG with good shipping rates to Ozz.
Used my old 4MP camera, worked a treat, as you can tell from my photos :)Quote:
I also need a digital camera (my own broke down a few weeks ago) so I can start a work log.
heh, forgot you mentioned that :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
Going to drain the loop, refill and try out the blue pentosin - see how that goes first - will add piccies if it is ok of-course :p:
yep, government says gimme, gimme...Quote:
true enough, customs is really a hassle even here. even on a box of books from amazon worth $100, the greedy customs tax $17...
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by MnM
lol
Tried the M-cube shop? I'm not sure what their shipping works out to.
M-cube Store.
My Petra stuff arrived yesterday.
Get this. I ordered and paid Quoc and PCCaseGear on the same day for stock held.
Petra's won the race by one day. Five days to Australia, WTG Petra's!
Kinda sums it up - doesn't it :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
At least PCCaseGear is only 20-30 minutes from me.
Drained the loop - well most of it anyway, couldn't drain the bit between cpu->gpu1->gpu2. Wouldn't come out as the pump was pushing air at that stage - might have to rethink the drain pipe location.
Anyways,
Drained the loop, put in the blue pentosin first, then topped up with distilled water & PT Nuke - soon as I turned on the pump, whole loop filled with micro-bubbles - looked like foam at first.
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Ran the loop for 30 minutes, bubbles have pretty much disappeared. I am wondering if the Pentosin helped create the micro-bubbles, maybe I should have bled the air first, THEN added the Pentosin after?
Totally different from last time when I added distilled water first, bled the air bubbles (which were all fairly large, no micro-bubbles), then added the Pentosin.
Hooked the pc backup as per normal (I have a separate power supply I use when bleeding the system, etc), turned her on, no problems, went off to the bathroom. Came back a few minutes later, BIG OVERHEATING WARNING WINDOW had popped up on the screen.
Quick check of temps showed 99C & 66C - one was for the CPU, other for the GPU - didn't really take the time to delve any further to see what temp belonged to each device, just pulled the plug on the power supply.
Firstly I thought it was caused by the bubbles in the loop - surely not..
Checked a bit further, found that when I plugged the pump molex in, both pins had popped out of the molex connector - no power - no pumping, no cooling!!!
Holy Crap, I was quick lucky I think to find the overheating BEFORE something went bang.
Everything back to normal know, but I'm not sure what program generated the on screen over temperature warning - will have to do some investigating now..
On the brighter side of things, the blue Pentosin is reacting nicely with the UV lights, and the computer seems fine as well.
Have a couple of green cold cathodes to chuck for some mood lighting. Will do that later this weekend and post some piccies, plus night time UV lighting piccies as well :D
quite a story you got there man...glad nothing horrid happened :)
You owe it's creator a beer, for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffP
No audio alarm sounded? I'd be interested to know what app it was.
The font on the alarm window looked like it was in 640 x 480 display mode - really weird. But only the alarm window, remainder of the screen was still in 1680 x 1050.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
ah lols, this why acrylic/plexi tops for a ddc (in my case) is a must, so that i could see if the pump is running. if restarting pc i have no doubt that the pump would keep on turning, but if fresh power up, i always have to shine some light or touch pump to know and be assured that it is running, wouldn't want to fry another gpu...
I can see if the pump is running by looking at the small tornado in my res, but I didn't check it in this particular incident :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
So Septim, you have lost a GPU to a failure?
My M-cube should shut her down if the pump stops, amongst other parameters.Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
Firstly,
Finally got the micro-bubbles out the loop - the blue looks heaps better than pinkish red :p:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/135s.jpg
UV lighting..
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Green Cold Cathode lighting..
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/139s.jpg http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/140s.jpg http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/143s.jpg
A bit of both
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UV http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/145s.jpg Green http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/146s.jpg Both http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/147s.jpg
UV http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/148s.jpg Green http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/149s.jpg Both http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...UBEIT/150s.jpg
Photos don't actually do it justice, gotta see it with your own eyes - the UV blue is really subtle, but still stands out very nicely.
Green looks great, and together, the UV blue in the loop gradually changes to green the closer the loop gets to the green cold cathode light :cool:
very, very happy :D :D
Hi Jedda,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
Can you post the actual part(s) you are using. Maybe i am blind, looked at the M-Cubed site, apart from the T-Balancer can't see any other control equipment.
I bought a BigNG, 2 MiniNG's, and 1 Sensorbus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffP
The BigNG is the daddy of them all and connect's via internal serial cable to your motherboard. From there it monitor's everything from temperatures from either a) onboard temp gauges, b) it's own analog temp gauges c) its down digital temp gauges.
Based on the values of the temp readings, it adjusts the fan speed of all the fans connected to it. The miniNG is an extension (add on) that lets you control additional fans or up to two Liang DDC-2 pumps. The pumps can also be controlled through software based on whatever parameters you choose as well. It's software will inform you of a pump failure and perform a windows shutdown in such a case.
The sensor bus addon gives you an additional 6 temp gauges and gives you the ability to perform a hard shutdown (via the power button). You connect your power button to the sensor bus, the sensor bus then connects to your motherboard's power pins. This way, in case the window's shut down doesn't work, the hard shutdown is triggered by the sensorbus in case of high temps or pump failure.
wife factor and little baby factor to consider...
That is why I got myself the mcube setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffP
GeoofP - you do NOT need the miniNG. As you are running an MCP655 pump there is no way for you to monitor the so calle "RPM" of the pump.
I got myself the bigNG from www.Performance-PCs.com as Jedda beat me to it at PCAseGear. DO NOT buy from mcubed site. Shipping prices there are shocking (~US 200 for FedEx to OZZ while at Performance-PCs.com I got 29 USD for EMS 2-3days).
I also got the sensor hub addon from http://www.hboutlet.com.au/catalog/p...ducts_id=27654
This the addon that will give you instant shutoff via a 24 pin connector between the power supply and motherboard (or at least that is what I understood from my research). I havent got any of this stuff yet. All arriving next week so that is all that I can comment.
Lastly I alsomost got the MCP655 from PCCG but due to NO rpm cable I got the DDC-2 18v from Petras. You run this off a normal 4 pin molex connector for power and it has a 3 pin connecotr as well for rpm monitoring. Then you use the binG software to monitor the PRM on the pump and configre the hard shut down options as desired.
Geoff,
Ranker covered it exactly.
I got a T-balancer BigNg, a Sensor Hub and a MiniNG to drive the pump.
The MiniNG is required due to wattage limitations on the Big unit. The big one being intended for fans.
Any LCD panel can hook up to it too and display whatever you like.
They are much smaller than you'd think. The sensor hub is 60 x 35 x 20 mm.
I'm adding the extra digital temp sensors and intend both in and out temps for air and water. Should be interesting being able to see where the heat really goes for the first time ever as fans are varied etc.
Edit
MnM is correct re the power off switch and the sensor hub. They even include a spare case button switch as well as wires to mobo and case switch and a little black box for driving two light tubes in the sensor hub stuff. Mine came from HB-Outlet yesterday.
One thing not discussed so far is the allowence for monitoring flow rate. Most WC folk hate the restrictions inherit in the devices and the one M-cube use seems fairly bad in that respect.
A year or so ago guys here evaluated one of the least restrictive flow meters a Swiftflow SF800. If anyone is interested they've become available from the previously uninterested manufacturer at 25 euros each with 8 euros PnP to australia. I'm still undecided.
OK URL please? And can this flow monitor can somehow hook into mcubed devices? You are right nobody wants to use the mcubed flow monitor as they restrict the flow too much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
Also Jedda,
Please xplain to me how the minNG works with the pump. Can you monitor anything with the miniNG in regards to the pump? I have not seen any information in regards to this so I am thinking that apart from powering the pump there is nothing else that the unit can do that is pump related. And then I asked myself whats the use of miniNG if it can not detect pump failure and such? Maybe I didnt understant the whole minNG so if you know more please xplain...
Swissflow it wires in just like the usual flow meter.
Here's a thread where the guys discuss this back when Swissflow wouldn't retail at all.
The pump connects to a miniNg so that it's read as if a fan rpm, hence its recognized if it stops or slows a lot and the software then acts as you have it set. Main difference is the miniNg can supply a higher draw to the pump. It's cooling is better. The T-bal BigNg stops PWM mode if it overheats and switches modes. MiniNg is designed to overcome this for a high draw item like the pump or delta fans, and stay in PWM mode to read pump speed.
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hMMM ok which pump are we taking about here? For Geoffp he can not use as his MCP655 does not come with 3 wire for RPM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
THe DDC-2 (which is the one that I got), has 4 molex plug for power and a 3 wire (or maybe just one wire) for RPM monitoring.
With this setup why do one still needs the miniNG? Pump gets its current from power supply and bigNG does the monitoring. Thats my understanding at least. Can you confirm this? And could you please let me know what pump you have?
Thanks for the link to flow monitor. I am looking inot that right now. maybe is somehting worth getting.
I have flavour of the day, DDC-2 +Petra head.
The 4 wire power lead is connected to bus B of the MiniNg. The three wire rpm lead goes to the mobo where it can be read by the software/firmware.
Normally the rad fans would g on A bus.. The jumpers are set for both buses depending on what and how is connected. The MiniNg is just a higher power better cooled (big heat sink) version of two buses of the BigNg.
You can hook up to the BigNg the same but more likely to have probs with draw and it doesn't have the hard shut down kit.
The thing is so configureable its impossable to get a layout diagram for all possibilities. But most has been covered on one of the forums or the other.