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I just got a wild idea! I dont know if this has been said before or if anyone cares lol but I think why not many people are receiving good 512 MB that are AA4t is that the chips are being used by OCZ! and this is why OCZ doesnt use 2x256 mb chips! and these Vx capable chips are being buried in cheap ram and rated 2.5...after all VX is rated 2.5 untill its given 3V and up right... just my 2 cents :)
lol all the IC's are 32mb, the 256 sticks are 32x8, and the 512's are 32x16.
the ic's are all exactly the same.
hmmm..well I stand corrected then :p ...I think :confused: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
All sticks were TwinMOS 50D labeled (Winbond UTT chips) 2*512 Kits marketed by Twinmos as CL 2.5 (2.5-3-3-8 SPD) with PCB's labeled KO 6633.They were bought in B&M store in my country, Romania that is. Next week i'll try 2 more.
I'm pretty curious if the -44D IC's are any better.
Exactly my thought ... maybe the Brainpower PCB isnt that good when used with Winbond UTT chips ... that's maybe the reason Twinmoss hasnt implemented it in their design on the AA4T chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Brainpower is a good PCB design when used with Samsung TCCD but not with these chips maybe ...
However I could be totally wrong about this ....LOL
:p:
pffffffff
what good is brainpower PCB if you don't have the chips for it? :(
I have 2 bars with Brainpower, but without the dotted, or AA4T chips and it's 50B instead of D.
Can anyone say what I can expect from these sticks? :s
I don't expect a lot of them right now but as they appear to be acapable of riunning 7-3-3-2.5 on 2.6 volts here they have outperformed my Apacer ont imings(but bandwith dropped with about 50MB( But i do have a gig of them (2x512) isntead of only 1x512Apacer ram)
Could they be capable of running a decent 420? :s
I hope so..... Then at least I'll get SOMETHING out of these sticks.... Dam I wanted those winbond chips.... But the problem is, no one in belgium appears to be selling speed premiums :confused:
Otherways I would've gotten speed premium off course
It's not that I think the BrainPower are bad... it's just that I dont think they are that great... max overclocks seem to be bout the same on either PCB varient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
PS: Dude! Dont be suprised if people dont respond to your posts for a while after you write them.... that ass in your avatar is sooo sweeeeeet it tends to divert the eye
ok, i will go now to see if i have luck or not. Wish me luck! :D
yap, that's it! same here! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
LOl
ok I got BP PCB for sure.
On the topside of my PCB there is something with a B6 something but the end is 808 so it matches the versions I've seen on other fora and here.
Supprisingly, the Twinmos isn't as bad as I thought.... It's running 410 with 7-3-3-2.5 and I haven't tested it further because if I don't give it enough volts or soemthing I have to reset bios and I don't feel in the mood for doing that :)
So whats the big difference between the Non Speed premium and the Speed premium ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
The labels ? :D
Got pm. :)
Who knows.
My RAm bars (non speed premium) with BP PCB's run 7-3-3-2.5 on 2.6VOLTs 203 MHZ ..... that beats my Apacer hands down which couldn't even run 7-3-3-2.5 on 200MHZ LOL
Could you guy's give me a quick test to see what these chips are worth? like if I cna set it to ...... at ... speed it should be relativly ok, meaning i'm not gonna reach 250MHZ or something but I'll still get a decent .... mhz or something :p
BTW
You know those side"marks" on the winbonds?
I have those 2x2 little metal dots or pins also. Maybe wishfull thinking but if you'd just add the 2 "holes"/dots on the top of the IC package it'd look identical to winbonds....
As I said wishfull thinking but those 2x2 dots on each side are on the excact same side as on the winbond IC's.
Is this purely luck (same machine used or something) or is this also one of those trademarks for a certain maker or something?
Well I'm going back to burning those things in here and looking what they can do
The two metal dots can be found on other manufacturers' IC's too. eg TCCD
Yhea samsung has them also, I know, I looked at my samsung memory (TCCC) and it has the 2x2 dots also, but its dots are closer together and closer to the center.
like this (the "-" is to space things out because with normal spaces ithe picture is a bit screwed up )
|-----.-.----.-.-----|
and with me its like this:
|---.--.------.--.---|
the dots themselves are farther apart and more to the outside edge of the chips
has anybody tested the winbond utt chips @ 2,9V?
or could anybody be so kind? :D
here you go :Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...29v_1GB_pi.png
cannot higher than that - LOL
Sweet screenie setyotomo, lol. :worship: :ROTF:
tnx man :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by setyotomo
Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Yeah, it was voted a** of the year 2004 :banana: :banana: We can all see why!
On to the topic (LOL). I went today and bought another 2gigs of the AA4T stuff ... but that was the last of 50 sticks! That reseller had 50 sticks 2 days ago and now none ...word must be out I guess. He will have a new bunch of Twinmoss sticks coming in ... lets hope its the AA4T stuff ...
for low voltage maniac : :D :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...prime_3hrs.png
another one :
comparison with OCZ VX specs : with 2.6v :lol: do you think they used EXACTLY the same chips?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._vs_VX_LoL.jpg
sorry if i already post this earlier :) :banana3:
So TheStilt, you selling your AA4T's???
I'm not looking forward to having to try buying another set of 2x512....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
"Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all."
Well you know that Brainpower PCB's have been around Longer than you
think...My EB 3500 is BP808 and so are All the EB sticks...
Maybe you should "Rethink" that statement your makeing ;)
So you saying all his sticks are cheap "OCZ VX" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
You told me in PM that they're not SPEED PREMIUM tho....cany ou get any pictures ? :toast:
oh oh... i see prices going up! :stick:
Why? Can you clock high with your EB 3500 at 2-2-2-x?Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
enok where ?
I feel the same way. If there 2x512 then i'll be interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eljefe62
Maybe we should try to set up a group buy somewhere, I'm sure someone will check them before sending out if we have a group of us buying them...
Got some nice modules here :banana:
[IMG=600]http://home.hccnet.nl/arienap/47.05-2.JPG[/IMG]
But the other one i've got does only 215 2-2-2-5 :(
Dude, dont take it wrong...I'm talking about 2-2-2-x timings ... EB ram is great but not for 2-2-2-x timings at, lets say 250+ FSB ... plus that ram gets VERY HOT at even 3 volts ... just consider giving it 3.5+ volts ... it would make your morning omelete in no-time!Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
:p:
Yup, my reseller sold me the first 2 sticks I bought 69 euro's each and all the others I got for 75 each :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
He is expecting a new supply by the start of this week so lets hope they stay at 75 euros per stick and that it doesnt go up more ...
I hope we dont have this BH5 price madness again ... I bought my KHX3200K2 1 gig set for 320 euros a year ago :eek: :rolleyes:
Not sure I agree with you there. I run my RAM at 3.3V 24/7 with two 80mm fans pointed in their general direction and it's cool to the touch (I have the heat spreaders removed, too, so I can feel the actual chips).Quote:
plus that ram gets VERY HOT at even 3 volts
You are correct about EB's inability to do 2-2-2-X. It will, however, speed along nicely at 3-2-2-X. :) I'd still take a gig of EB over this stuff. Too bad it isn't in production anymore.
(Sorry for the thread crap, dudes.) :slap: :slap: Stereo slappage!
Well I got my 2x256 set today ok stuff 263mhz fully maxed via a64 tweak at 3.62v, but Its jsut not BH-5 fast maybe if they burn in :rolleyes: . Mine at AA4T sticks Speed Prem. from the EGG.. Now don't get me wrong they are nice, but my hyperx pc3200 does 271mhz@3.62v and my twinmos bh-5 276mhz@3.6v// All In all great ddr, bUt I would like the 2x512meg kit with the exact same chips. :) week 051 chips BTW.
you gotta "burn in" them and put some cooler top of them....you'll gain 5-10mhz.
I have a World Class Benching setup ;)All bh-5 I have had to date never moved from burn in , but Ill give'um a day or two.. Already found a buyer I was just living the dream of 280-285mhz maxmax settings :)
the egg has them in stock! http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-405&depa=0
hurry!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
AADT in pic tho :( not the AA4T
Newegg doesnt update their pixs :(Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
may still be AA4T :D
I bet they are going to have some major hits.
Let's time this and see how long it takes them to sell out this time.
Edit - 1 hour later
Maybe longer than I thought, as there hasn't been a single post here in the last hour.
I thought that news that they were back in stock at the egg was going to set the house on fire.
What's wrong with you guys? You got a life or something? :)
Actually its good to see that there is more to this group of guys than their PCs. I'm at work headed home so I'm just going to wish everyone a good weekend...enjoy your time off...go see a movie...take the wife or girlfriend out...or both if they get along well.
I just ordered two 512mb. Crossing my fingers. Anyone selling an AI7 for me to try? LOL my IC7 isnt modded.
Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Finally...a gambler to join me while we wait for next week's delivery. I've got two ordered myself.
Good luck with your ram purchase.
Shh, no one tell him the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I heard that!
its 2 AM here
its 9am here :slap:
TwinMOS BH4 :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteradactyl
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
I think he showed the same picture of a BH-4 module that you shared in an earlier post (#30), didn't he?
Is that like the only known sample? The one below is from tictac's post...it matches the one in the review, coding and all.
Who actually has that module, I wonder?
o crap now they reviewing them? Usually stock comes in AFTER the reviews. Great gonna be stuck with crappy ram. Anyone know if the AI7 will track vtt properly above 3.3 with the booster?
the egg is sold out of the 512 again. Didnt take long at all. It says they should have some back in stock next tuesday.
hmm wonder if i might have ordered the last set.
I guess I/we just bought some returns, huh?
At this rate they will make a bundle from restock fees, cause that's just what I'll do if I end up with a set of AADTs. They won't even come out of the box.
I guess I've still got time to cancel????
Do I hold or do I fold?
lol can someone please answer my question?
No Ofcorse my EB won't do 250+@ 2.0-2-2-x but@ 3.0-2-2-x my point beingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
that the BP PCB's have showen us some "Nice" Results and i'm sure that there
is a reason why OCZ and every other top manufactures of high performance ram
use them...
Think about it ;)
damn, newegg just got restocked this morning!
i was going to order some tonight.
well one of my sticks wont do 200 memtest error free at any timing or with extra voltage. the other did 269 right out of the packaging with 3.55volts @ 2,2,2,10 timings.the sticks them self look identical so I dont know whats wrong with the first. But hey, ive been having bad luck so I kinda expected this. Im gonna rma it and hopefully ill get another good one. In the mean time, this ones gonna get a burn in of a life time to it. :banana4:
Lucky you... :)
Give us some screenies :)
i will once im done burning in but that might take a while
If these are 256meg sticks why not just buy some BH-5 2x256? easier :)Quote:
well one of my sticks wont do 200 memtest error free at any timing or with extra voltage. the other did 269 right out of the packaging with 3.55volts @ 2,2,2,10 timings.the sticks them self look identical so I dont know whats wrong with the first. But hey, ive been having bad luck so I kinda expected this. Im gonna rma it and hopefully ill get another good one. In the mean time, this ones gonna get a burn in of a life time to it
http://www.comexgroup.com/storage/_memory/adata.htm
check this out too guys!
where can i find a 256mb stick of bh-5 for 40 bucks?cheaper ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
is it just me or the picture of BH-4 ES (maybe Engineering Sample?) in Adata, is the one that tictac n everybody use for comparison these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
so.. just my quick thinking : the speed premium with 44D (-4.4ns - with AA4T of course) might be the winbond -4 that failed running @250 fsb with default volts?(which is 2.6v) so they just lower the rating to -4.4ns (227fsb)?
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconVa...5/SEITEC-5.jpg
http://kubokubo.jp/memory/seitec_pc3200_512mb/01.jpg
besides the markings on the ic's, these look identical to the twinmos speed premiums. sam pcb and all. this a pic from a japanesse web site from over a year ago.
http://kubokubo.jp/memory/seitec_pc3...mb/seitec.html
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From the looks of that copied text it would appear to be a Winbond IC with a year 2003, wk 40 date code. Pretty close to the end of original Winbond's production, wasn't that?
That page is old, I posted a link to it over a year ago. Adata are definatley not producing BH-4 sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
I'd love to be wrong though ;)!
256mb sticks from newegg are 100% winbond utt ?
So far everyone getting the SP 256 modules has reported UTT and I think that holds true for the non SP, as well. The only difference being that the non Speed Premiums use M.tec labeled chips and no Brainpower PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Jst took some photos of my 512mb sticks ... I have another 2 which are in my system! :D
All same week, AA4T, 50D and soon to be checked ...
http://img83.exs.cx/img83/1343/twinmoss19my.jpg
http://img149.exs.cx/img149/6302/twinmoss21ma.jpg
:toast:
good stuff! ;)
cant wait for the results
I am a little unclear about your response...are you talking about his ram or are we back on his avatar???Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
They both look mighty fine!
Where can the rest of that pictorial on Miss A** of the Year be found?
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/7.jpg
This is winbond UTT.
This is kingston laber.
And it has the feature of winbond.
It can support high voltage.
This package is hotless.
:p:
LOL... idd!!!! :D :toast: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
i wonder how much OC i would do to that a**! :slobber:
[back on topic]are u sure that's Winbond chips? nevertheless, i bet that pcb sucks![/back on topic]
ddr400 2-2-2-5 can pass
ddr466 2-3-2-5 can pass
You know the CH-5 or bh-05?
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/4.jpg
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/6.jpg
If I have the High voltage motherboard(DFI_LANPARTY)
OR OCZ Product,I can show more picture in the ddr500 2-2-2-5.
ddr400 2-2-2-5 can pass
ddr466 2-3-2-5 can pass
the CH-5 or bh-05?
Kingston :banana: :banana:
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/4.JPG
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/6.JPG
If I have the High voltage motherboard(DFI_LANPARTY)
OR OCZ Product,I can show more picture in the ddr500 2-2-2-5.
that pcb looks pretty good. same idea of brainpower. short signal traces and good ground coversQuote:
Originally Posted by enok
how much voltage to do that?
maybe it's a good pcb... but it still reminds me my Golden Dragon... :mad: (with bad scores at nForce2)
check your pmQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
:D
239 tops here... same chips :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
Hope you get more outta them :toast:
If you don't mind...239 on what platform..voltage, other particulars such as where purchased?
They sure look sweet :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
I wonder If I 'need' anymore :D
Would removing the stickers help to cool the ram down a bit?
The paper stickers/labels on the ICs? I can't see them trapping much, if any, heat so I doubt there would be any difference in temps. If you're worried about heat, add a fan to blow over the modules.
Is there a consensus on these as far as heat generated? Hipro5 stated that the ones he tested ran cooler than bh-5, but I can't remember what others have reported. How about some comments on temps...even if it is just how they feel to the touch, cool, warm, hot, or on fire? Of course this will vary with the amount of voltage they are being fed, so how about including that in any comments you make on temps.
they only feel warm to touch on mine, the BH6 i ran was HOT to the touch.
same volts same settings.
my CH-5 run cold no matter what.
mine run slightly warm to the touch with 3.3v (max of board), temp probe never goes above 30-35'C when held against it, this is without any fans purposely placed to cool the ram
If anyone is tested I will get my Temp probe out and check, but its a bit of messing about
DITO!! 260mhz max timings 3.5v and warm if that to the touch. :)Quote:
my CH-5 run cold no matter what.
yea even with 4.2v...
these dont look like speed premiumsQuote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
They're not. Just regular twinmos.
I have another set which maxes out at 220 FSB 2-2-2-11 at 3.05 volts (2.9 in bios) Its the same as these sticks but sticks differ even if the same. How much juice did you give yours? Damn I dont have a mobo that supplies much vdimm neither a OCZ booster. I wish I could give them 4 to 4.2 volts to see what I get from them. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
Nope ... not speed premium. Although Hipro got some amazing results on exactly these sticks ...
Off topic:
Everyone seems to keep sending me pm's about my avatar :D
google this: a** of the year 2004
It's the first match ... 92 pics enjoy people! :slobber: :D
On topic: Whats the max FSB people with the speed premium have gotten?
Speed Premium or not, DT's sticks should be great. Notice the 50D marking on the modules.
My SP are barely warm at 3.3, 256 FSB 1:1. No need for any extra air cooling, tried it and it didn't help, not for me anyway.
Just let me know before Monday or Tuesday of next week because that's when I'm planning on sending these out the door. (I still need to do a Vdimm mod on another PC-DL before I test these to 233MHz)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
:toast:
they're not speed premiums......
what did hipro got with them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
TEDY,
Here you go.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
pretty good with 3.2vdimm....240 2-2-2-x....i guess with 3.3vdimm 245-250...which is not too shabby....thanks reefa...
question for everyone
does 512 modules work nice 1T/CPC ON ?