Can someone please tell me whats on next after the ATI-FILES.:ROTF:
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Can someone please tell me whats on next after the ATI-FILES.:ROTF:
Repeat of Jen-Hsun Huang's 'Whoop Your Ass'Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
3D version
:D
The head engineer at ATI sold his soul for design schematics to Satan. It turned out the schematics were for a GT300. The designers then decided what a piss poor design we'll only get yields less than 10%. So they sent out a signal to aliens. Aliens then met with the engineers from ATI. In agreement for a new design they must collect puppies, kittens, and kangaroo's, to be used as fuel for their space ships. Mean while the facility in AZ is getting retrofitted for kangaroo's. This was to be the most effective way to store the animals, as kangaroo's are used to a hotter climate. The aliens feeling like they have a chance to be competive went to Nvidia to bargain with them to develope their next generation gpu. However Jen-Hsun Huang declined as his primary diet is already that of kittens and puppies.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
for accuracy's sake, can we rename this thread to:
The ATi HD5XXX Thread + Nvidia 300 Series Speculation
:shrug:
I would like to say that this accusation is definitely false. As Satan's Secretary of Internal Affairs I would like to note that no such deal has occurred! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Rule#1 Deny, deny, deny! :rofl:
thats because someone posted a gt300 article in here.:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chruschef
Your system is FUBARed then - I play Clear Sky at 1920x1200 with all eye candy on with my 4850 X2 2GB...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
Just what the hell are you talking about? :confused: Clear Sky RUNS JUST FINE for several months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
They not only fixed everything but xRay v1.5 (current engine under a fully patched Clear Sky) is actually a gorgeous-looking DX11 engine that scales from DX8 hardware to my 4850 X2 2GB and runs at decent framerate.
If you want to see a really poorly coded (=PoC-level) game look at Crysis.
Even a dead clock is right twice a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
The game's release when, y'know, half of it seemed unfinished?Quote:
Originally Posted by T2k
They've obviously done a lot since its release but the game was far from release-ready
Hitler gets informed about the rumored ATI Evergreen prices
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLXfDO1u7-I
Hitler, as Nvidia's CEO, gets informed about ATI's Evergreen series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR45ja_fNzU
Both of them were hillarious. Especially at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Thank you :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
What is the die size of GT300?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDDeathstar
6 days to go, and no leaks?
what did ati do to the NDA signed people?
Used some gadgets or hired FBI using smoke and dagger to follow them 24/7?
its impressive none the less.
Obviously but it is a well-coded game.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
There's a world between being buggy due to early release and being poorly written.
Hahaha wow that was hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Dunno, it's the 2763275354th subject with this Hitler video.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrangler
This thread needs moderation.
Dunno if it has been posted already, but this worries me a bit... performance might be brillinat, heatoutput might be amasingly high
Sorry it it's a repost :
Time to put off the heating again :)Quote:
We've heard that ATI is working on an X2 version of Radeon HD 5870 card but the biggest obstacle is the power and how to cool such a card.
We’ve learned that the current TDP for X2 is 376W and that the company is working on this issue, as apparently they will have to slow down the GPUs down by quite a lot to get rid of the heat.
Even if they use downclocked Radeon 5850 cores that run at 725MHz, the power goes down by only 36W (2x170W) to 340W. The hottest card from ATI so far was HD 4870 X2 that had TDP of 286W. To release a Radeon HD 5870 X2 card ATI should go down at least to 300W, especially due to thermal issues, but who knows, maybe ATI will launch 300W+ card.
Are they serious ?Quote:
We might be looking at the dawn of graphics cards with three or even four power connectors, as two might not be enough this time.
That's from fudzilla. Like everyone said, 5870x2 doesn't mean doubling the TDP. Looke at 4870x2 for example, one 4870 is 160~170W TDP. So far fudzilla has been the most unreliable this time around.
looking at the amd perf slides i have to say... i expected more?
the 5870 beats a 295 by a long shot in several games, but where it matters, where you really need the extra fps, ie far cry2, crysis, cod... its 20% slower than a 295...
and the 5850 beats a 285 for sure, but not by that much, and again where you really need the extra perf its about the same as the 285...
upgrading from a 285 to 5850 doesnt make sense i think, upgrading to a 5870 maybe... but from a 295 to a 5870 again doesnt seem to make sense, on the contrary...
im really surprised that doubling every resource in the gpu, tweaking it and clocking it really high... the performance is still not notably higher than that of the 285, which is an oced 280, which is 18 months old...
looking forward to propper reviews though, who knows how good those amd benchmarks are, probably all with amd cpu at stock speed, so not really that useful and painting quite a diferent picture :D
Some people should calm down :) And just wait. 23/24 September we will know what the HD5870 really can do. RV5870 CF performance will show us what a X2 could do. So we will have quite a good indication of what AMD can do this year.
GT300 is still far away. I wont be surprised if we see good GT300 availability somewhere in Q2 2010.
If the current leaked specs are true we will be looking at a GTX285 x 2 and maybe a bit more. But we dont know enough about the GT300 to know that for sure.
a moderator should go through this thread and delete any post which is off topic including this one...
or the name of the thread should be changed to dx11 tech, multimonitor speculation thread...
this thread has lost all coherance...:shrug:
I think you should take a more detailed look to the performance comparisons (particularly the ones with numbers and resolutions and all): HD5850 is beating GTX285 in nearly all games (including STALKER CS and Crysis Warhead), some by more, some by less, so no way that the HD5870 is not noticeably faster than GTX285.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
On the other hand, in the comparison between HD5870 and GTX295, you can see that STALKER CS runs 38.4 vs 40.5 without AA and 24.2 vs 22.3 with 4xAA (so no 20% lower, even higher with AA) and Crysis warhead is 51.5 vs 53.6 and 43.6 vs 48.5 respectively (~3% and ~11% performance difference respectively) so...
In general, the difference between HD5850 and GTX285 (favorable to the Radeon) is equal or greater than the difference between GTX295 and HD5870 (favorable to the GeForce, if we don't count 8xMSAA results). So we could say that GTX285 is trading blows with HD5850 (favoring the ATi card) and GTX295 with HD5870 (favoring the NVIDIA dual card).
You can take a look to this post if you want to examine better the leaked benchmarks: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=892
Of course, you should note that maybe a change from GTX295 to HD5870 is not so greatest performance wise (probably consumption, heat and price will be another thing), the same way that a change from HD3870 to HD4650 is not. If you want to see if changing from a dual high end chip configuration to the new generation is a gain, you should wait for HD5870 X2, or make an idea with a HD5870 CrossFire (wich here you can see how it scales, destroying a GTX295 SLI -as it's to expect given that the NVIDIA configuration is a 2x2=4 chips scaling, so much harder to scale).
Then i guess he's far from being a dead clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2k
True. Thank AMD for keeping everything secret! :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by purecain
Less than one week left sirs
not really, 5850 seems to be beat a 285 but not by much... and a 5870 wont be 2x as fast as a 5850, i think we can all agree on that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
i think you misread my post, i said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Farinorco
5850 beats 285 but not by muchQuote:
upgrading from a 285 to 5850 doesnt make sense i think
upgrading to a 5870 maybe...
but from a 295 to a 5870 again doesnt seem to make sense, on the contrary...
so going from a 285 to a 5850 doesnt really make sense...
upgrading to a 5870 MAYBE makes sense...
upgrading from a 295 to 5870 would actually be a step back... unless your just into benching and want hundreds of fps... where you really need extra gpu perf to get acceptable playable fps, ie demanding games, the 295 seems to be about the same or faster than the 5870.
but like i said, thats probably with amd cpu at stock speed... and as anandtech recently uncovered, some games seem to get a notable perf boost on nvidia gpus when bundled with an amd cpu for some reason... that might actually bite amd in their own pr arse in this document :lol:
For an entusiast, crossfire using 5870 is a great price/performance alley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farinorco
I still wanna know what does it take to fully take advantage of HD5870 CF? A core i7 @4.0Ghz at least?
Impossible question. It is matter of TASTE actually. In some situations, CPU can be somewhat slowing down, in some situations the GPU. And in some situations the actual "bottleneck" can be the PCI-E bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
It depends on:
software/game used
settings
the actual scene in the game
drivers
GPU/VRAM speed
CPU/RAM speed
PCI-E bus bandwidth.
So yes, talking about "CPU only" here, it is practically impossible to say accurately. There will always be someone arguing about it. Maybe a 4 GHz i7 can sustain it most of the time without causing major bottleneck, but for sure 7 GHz i9 with 8 cores would do MUCH better still. No one knows, a matter of taste and opinion.
And before someone comes raging that "omg put slow cpu and your fps drops"(sure it does), I suggest "you" to imagine WHY it happens. Hint: Time spent(per frame) by: CPU(both processing and data retrieval from RAM), PCI-E bus data transfer latency, GPU(both processing and data retrieval from VRAM).
Yeah, less than a week in working days.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I just hope something won't change.:shrug:
Could be, but it depends a lot on resolution. At 1920x1200 (or better, 2560) I doubt CPU is going to be a big bottleneck. And if you are using a lower resolution then you certainly don't need two 5870's. In fact, you don't even need one - a 5850 or even a 4870 is enough at 1680 and belowQuote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
simple answer, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
you can check some numbers from people who do overclocking over the top stuff and see how the scaling goes.
Its also a matter of resolution, I would assume, that 1920x1200 is actually a little to low resolution, unelss we go for the 3 screen set ups.
Its a great idea, ati makes a card have a feature, that adds more fps, but what to do with all that power?
Run quake at 1000fps?
No, they spent some time, talking to Samsung, guys we wanna make this feture we call eyefinity, so, if we do that, and you make a special set up, you cut us in for a deal?
Samsung, hum what is it?
ati: Its where our cards are so powerful we needed to add a feature so people would buy more screens to use that power, and guess who they wanna buy from?
Samsung, hum who?
Ati: The guys making screens with thin bezels...
Samsung, you think so?
Ati: come and sit down and play this game here.
Samsung representative: OMG!
Ati: yes we know.:ROTF:
Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
:rofl: !!!
this thread has been good for some quotes!
As "Calmatory" wrote, it depends on a lot of factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
If they increase the gpu-use of computational work (OpenCL or whatever) the burden will be higher on the gpu.
With tesselation I think that it will be easy for a slow cpu to bottleneck the gpu.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15535/1/Quote:
Nvidia confident that GT300 wins over 5870
A few people confirm
Nvidia is still not giving and hard details about its chip that we still call GT300 but one thing is getting quite certain. A few people who saw just leaked performance date of ATI's soon to launch Radeon HD 5870 have told Fudzilla that they are absolutely confident that GT300 will win over Radeon HD 5870.
Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out, as if Nvidia wins a single chip battle, they can win the dual one as well.
We can only confirm that GT300 is not a GT200 in 40nm with DirectX 11 support. It’s a brand new chip that was designed almost entirely from the ground up. Industry sources believe that this is the biggest change since G80 was launched and that you can expect such level of innovation and change.
The launch as far as we know is still slated for late November and hasn’t been confirmed.
LOOOL
Hitler, as Nvidia's CEO, gets informed about ATI's Evergreen series
-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR45ja_fNzU
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
repost from a few pages ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by LinkinParkBoy
does Nvidia have eyefinity support?Quote:
Originally Posted by geo
if not, dosnt matter how fast they be.:D
Hitler gets information xxx never works for me.... it's not funny in anyway. :p:
I do agree. The HD5870 will only be 15-20% faster. But that is where is HD5870 X2 comes in to play. Depending on the time nVidia needs for its GT300 GX2 (if there will be a GX2) Its also possible that AMD will have a refresh of the RV870 (HD5890 / HD59xx ish)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
At the start i think it will be HD5870 and the X2 VS the GT300 Single card range.
It's beginning to sound like the 4870 vs GTX280 all over again. Nvidia will have a GTX360 to compete with the 5870, and a GTX380 to out perform it by 15-20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by geo
So it's just a repeat of last gen it seems. Now it all depends on price.
These are kind of my thoughts... but I'm ok with that because I do not want to pay the price premium for the nvidia part again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
I bought the 8800GTX when it came out for $650... so now I use ATi :D
So true. Why pay 50% more for only 15% performance increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinas
I hope ATi/AMD stick with the 4x00 business model.
Plese close that site
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15535/1/
"Don't cry, I'll buy you an ATI card!" looooolQuote:
Originally Posted by LinkinParkBoy
:rofl::rofl:
They need to price 5870 at $299 to sell lots of cards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
indeed - i want one either way but obviously the lower price is better
oh, no !:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
And if they want to put nV guys for long sleepless nights...;) Well, at the expense of not so high profit margin for each card.Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
NO WAI! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
i believe radeon 6870 will be faster than gt300. and the 6870x2 will be faster than the gt300 "gx2" (i'm wondering how he even came up with gx2, as it wasn't used since the 9800gx2...) as well! so, do i get my own news by fudzilla now? :):):)
:ROTF:
*edit* btw... i saw the benchmarks (which are also in the techpowerup leakage collection) where they tested wolfenstein with AA. since AA doesn't work in wolfenstein for 4800 series cards i'm wondering if it'll work flawlessly with the 5800 series?
Watch the video and you'll understandQuote:
Originally Posted by vietthanhpro
The techpowerup 5xxx leak collection
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...0_Leaks/1.html
I chuckle at the amount of watermarking when none of them came from TPU lol. They got tricked by the fake die-shot too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
EDIT:NVM They wrote there it's fake.
Source Tweakers.netQuote:
New update, temperatures and fan speed.
Idle, check also the GPU and memory clock.
Idle @ 20%
http://i25.tinypic.com/e297s.png
Idle @ 50%
http://i30.tinypic.com/2py6edh.png
Idle @ 100% (Like a hairdryer!)
http://i27.tinypic.com/23kukg7.png
Load test, stressed the GPU to 75%.
Load @ 20% (91° and rising)
http://i31.tinypic.com/waq4ib.png
Load @ 30% (default fan speed, stable at 75°)
http://i25.tinypic.com/dbqlj.png
Load @ 50%
http://i28.tinypic.com/jhtq3l.jpg
Load @ 100%
http://i30.tinypic.com/k1572c.png
Finally stressed the GPU to 95%, but the temperature was not rising.
http://i30.tinypic.com/9q8wzp.png
So we can expect real benchmarks soon? What's the point of them covering that part when the first pic shows everything? Very nice idle temps.
Mistake? I saved the pic anyway, just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
Anyway, they seem to be fakes.
20 % Fan, 75 % load on GPU: 91 C
30 % Fan, 75 % load on GPU: 75 C
30 % Fan, 95 % load on GPU: 74 C
Right. :rolleyes:
If anything, the pics may be telling that the temp/noise levels will be around the same that of HD4k series cards. Afterall, they use the same fan and the temps seem to be quite close.
This source, unlike many others, has no reason to post fake stuff or re-post stuff as if they are the source ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
It's possible that it runs on 100% speeds when it switches to 3D mode and just keeps the same temprature.
good test with fan speed and temps
but whats the highest quiet and inaudible settings?
No 2D/3D clocks? ;)
What's probably true here is the issue with temp and noise will be the same with 4800 series. In that case, what we got to know is if the sockets are still the same so that aftermarket heatsinks that used to fit 4800's will fit these... Can't bear that stock fan of theirs.
It's funny that he blanked out his monitor text (the stuff in square brackets) in all but the first image. I don't get that.
um, 850/1200 1.063/1.45vQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
157/300 .850v/???v
I don't care about their reasons behind the stuff they spit out, but the information is clearly false. It does not make sense any way. UNLESS, the load figures don't come from the same program. E.g. other one(95 %) is random game and other(75 %) is Furmark. And in that case, the information is still false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
What I suspect is that the 95 % load figure is taken like half a minute after the load started, and the 75 % figure is taken 30 minutes since the load started. "But but full load regardless ;););)".
Seems that Tweakers.net is yet another site which to stay away from. :down: :down:
Good to see powerplay working full swing, hopefully the auto fan speed control will actually work this time around as well.
why false? crysis at 75% still heats up more than far cry 2 at 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
looks legit to me.
edit- hmm not much different from juniper
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8876/junip.jpg
As I said in my post, in that case the information is still false, or at least misleading. Holding absolutely zero value and misleading anyone who believes in it. Garbage, BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamervivek
The 75 % and 95 % values hold no information if the values and the temps aren't measured with same software stressing the GPU. AND I am sure that EVERYONE knows this. Just pulling off stunts like this is just as BS as pulling the values off from ones hat. Selective results. PR at it's best. No value for the end user. Misleading information.
We can say the same about your post so woop de doo. :wiggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
If you "can", go ahead and say the same. Back up your claims and we will discuss. Until then I stand behind my word that the results are false, or at least misleading at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
:doh: You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
those fanspeed and temp values look weird indeed...
So the mem clocks throttle down now too? That should make for some nice idle power usage stats.
idle power was suppose to be 28W, this is looking to be true.
Not only do the clocks lower at idle for the GDDR5 but also the voltage is lowered plus they fixed the screen flickering due to clock switching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power5
It's a public forum is all I'm saying until this thing is reviewed by someone we can all trust then woop de doo. Neither he nor you can be proven or dissproven at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
ok, calm down children
Or you get put in time-out. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
As long as these things aren't 4890s all will be well. The 4870s were fairly respectable noise wise with the stock fan profile / heatsink design. Given it is has a similar max board power but also a full length pcb / heatsink, it should be just as quiet if not more so. I was never one of those OCD types who'd complain about 80+ load temps so I have no problem with these thigns getting hot if ATI says they can ( used my 4870x2 with stock profile from day one with no artifacts / thermal issues at 90-95C on the hotter of the 2 cores )
Could you please post more infos on the Juniper.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamervivek
Standard core/mem and idle frequencies/temps.
Thank you,
mibo
The progession of this thread (which has been hilarious for me since its all speculation at this point).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
First reports: :fact:
Interest and ATI fan celebrations: banana3: :banana2: :rehab: :banana:
Nvidia Cronies chime in: :soap:
Arguments commence :argue:
Goes way off topic: :eleph:
So what is it we can see? Well despite speculations from either side at least they have more to offer than Intel ha! :P
I see the GDDR5 still doesnt downclock in 2d.
WTF are you talking about? It is at 300mhz...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Well seeing as how I am at work, I cannot see the pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
This morning there was a couple shots of a 5800 series card idling at 157/300...
Here-
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...postcount=1156
and this was posted-
So obviously GDDR5 is downclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
I also mentioned this earlier-
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
there is ore than 1 picture, some show 300mhz for the memory
Isn't GDDR5 4 data cycles per clock, so 300mhz => 1200mhz?
I read 300MHz tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
http://i30.tinypic.com/2py6edh.png
True: he isn't right even once a day, forget twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
Idle clocks are 157/300(x4) from the box that says "current values" which would be the current 2d clocks, 3d clocks are 850/1200(x4)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
Again, I don't understand what the heck you people are comparing here... Based on pricing - the only meaningful base for market viability comparisons - 285 will fight 5870 and 295's counterpart ill be most likely the X2 and both cases NV gets spanked pretty badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Once they bring out GT300 the story will change but I have serious bets it won't happen this year - IIRC each respin takes 2-3 months and it's mid-September already and we know from more than one sources that NV is having serious issues...
no info about 5870 device-id yet ?
Question for the Gurus.
Remember a game called DOOM 3 where it had really bad AF on cards and gave you a stairstep effect or *shimmering*
will these new cards fix that issue becuse thats what really bothered me in that game the most.
The fact that he brought the Nvidia's defective chips story with full details, that alone is enough to grant him credibility IMHO but every one is entitled to think different.Quote:
Originally Posted by T2k
Most likely but not yet confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRuS2k
What was confirmed was a near-perfect AF algorithm which will produce better AF IQ than Nvidia's cards, though the difference will not be easily seen w/o still shots and 300-400% zoom.
We just need a shot from AF Tester of a flat plane. That will give you a good clue as to whether or not shimmer will be an issue.
So when does the nda lift?
is not today ? (thursday)
On my HIS 4870 I get 65c at 30% fan speed(idle). (corrected) Looks like these new cards get about 40c at 20% fan speed.(idle) That actually seems better than my 4870.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...s/idleat20.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...s/idleat20.jpg
Not sure who's really going to have their fan up at 100% at idle. LOL
"Hey man, that's a scream'n loud card ya got there."
"Yeah, I leave like this 24/7 so I can have a 31c card temp..cool, huh?"
"Ummm, no, it isn't"
LOL
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A.../idleat100.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A.../idleat100.jpg
Let's not call others blind... take those green-tinted glasses off! It says 300 down there on current clocksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee
9/22-9/23 depending on which side of the world you are onQuote:
Originally Posted by Kylzer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Your_Boss
You need a better cooler, then. My Sapphire Toxic 4870 idles at 44-45C when the fan is at 30%. I'd think about buying a replacement cooler.