Im having trouble with the NB FID, Whatever I do to it, when I open up CPUZ in windows, it does not change a thing?
any ideas?
cheers
M
Im having trouble with the NB FID, Whatever I do to it, when I open up CPUZ in windows, it does not change a thing?
any ideas?
cheers
M
on the m2rs its a problem i think..
Im pretty unimpressed with my first DFI motherboard.
at first it did quite well in OCing my Phenom 9500 to 2.7Ghz.
However with my Geil Ram it limited me to just under 3.0Ghz OC with the 9950.
And today I replaced my Geil with 2x2GB OCZ Reapers 8500C5 and I cant get past FSB 205 (stock Multi and +100mV and loose mem timeings Vdimm @2.300) I was hopeing to get the RAM upto 1100 at the very least, and hoping for nearer 1200.
I currently I cant get the OC using a DRAM multi of 4 (800) that i could with the Geil.
I dont know if its the board or the chip that I have.
But one thing I know, unless some 'all singing, all dancing' bios comes out that allows me to get an OC of around 3.2 AND Oc the ram to a respectable level, then I most definately will go back to what I know and buy an Asus.
I have tried all sorts with my geil and am currently still playing with the Reaper. (BTW whats all the point with this "Tony's SPD?", I googled it and am not sure of the benifits)
Id like to say I have a decent idea of how to OC a system. but this just doesnt seem very solid at all.
I have looked over BE's bios at the start of the thread and tried variations on that but with no real luck.
Does re-flashing bios with the same bios more than once help at all in flushing errors/instability out?
What is the best version out for my board?
I like the DFI, but I bought it becuase I thought it would be bullet-proof (to be fair it has to an extent), and a brilliant OCer, but I have not found that the case.
Well thats another good sign......maybe all that complaining got us somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
After all Oskar did post on my thread at DFI club....after not posting for almost a year.
Hopefully we have open their eyes.
Agree & the ASUS M4A79 is very close to the MR2 in bios features, so its about time that DFI upped the anti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
hehe just bought a dk 790fx-m2rs to replace the gigabyte in the second pc :D just 60€ :up:
I have some issues with overclocking PII 940 more then 4Ghz. I've a BSOD 0x0000000A when Win XP booting.
might be your chip. i was not able to do that as well.
rgone stated, that with imc integrated into the chip, oc much more depends on the chip itself then in former times. and i did a cross-check, sent that chip to a friend, another system, and exactly the same oc.
when talking about differences between boards, bios quality becomes a factor of immensely increased importance... besides the pwm section.
campbell: yesterday night it happened to me as well. btd from gaming with a scratch in the speakers, and prime revealed something is wrong. pwms were HOT.
now the chip seems to need 25mV more to be stable, but the weird thing is, the ram does not want to do the same oc before as well. ri´ght now i'm reseating coolers on the board and then will have another look at it. its not that dramatically, as 3,5ghz @ stock clocks still work, so does 1066ram, but it has NEVER happened to me before so i hear your voice now more clearly..^^
The SB PLL table is screwed as well. 120~140~130~150.
Thanks, I'll try to srew SB PLL .
whats the effect of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
damn, reseating the pwm cooler brought temps down from ~70°C to 44°C... more thermal compound sometimes is better then less^^
It means it cant be trusted :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
SB PLL doesn't help. I'm waiting for the new bios.
ahh the sb pll voltage.. alright..
after reseating the cooler my OC does now work again.. but i should have done the nb cooler as well, now that is the hottest part xD next weekend..
and my ballistix get weaker and weaker.. i hope they will sustain the 1066 @ 2,09v...
I sent Phenom II chips in for RMA and have 9600 BE back in M2R and JR 790GX is on the Bench empty.
I have warned you guys about current Bios what you do with that information is up to you though. Me Personally I will not see my 940 BE for about 2 weeks and 9600 BE is left at stock and I certainly hope D.F.I has not taken this criticism lightly and it prompts them to code adequate Bios of worthy D.F.I AMD Status so we can put this negative feelings about this ongoing situation behind us.
I am really going to push for a collaboration between D.F.I and a few select people to do extensive testing on AMD Bios front for 790FX-M2R & 790FXB series boards if I could get them to concede to sending out 3-4 select people (Myself Being 1 of the 3-4 People) a 790FXB Motherboard for dedicated and extensive Bios Testing I really believe that we could get these Bios Issues resolved with the feedback and submission of Bios Bug Reports and expedite this whole process and correct this problem/problems in Real time so D.F.I can Claim the AMD Overclocking Crown once more.
I Certainly Hope that I can get this to happen as I do not see this being corrected in any other way short of people blowing up their Processors and Souring them about using or Buying D.F.I . People losing their hardware do to Bad Coded Bios more often then not will not be as Nice as what I was about the experience and this is not the Proper or good way at all to find out about Bios Problems! 98% of People Using "Beta" Bios DO NOT submit Feedback they only piss and Moan when something bad Happens if the Beta was submitted to select few for week to 10 days to few select people before OK to released to public then that would alleviate a number of issues right there .......(its a start and a safe bet!) not the definitive answer to the problem but all important aspects of Bios would be checked and scrutinized and info passed on to D.F.I before a Beta release candidate to the masses is posted. This really needs to be done! For the cost of 3-4 Boards to select testers from D.F.I the cost to them for that is insignificant compared what this is costing them with current situation and Bad Feeling being generated by end User Experience with Current Situation across all D.F.I AMD Boards!
Wow, I'm glad that I exchanged my 790FXB for the M4A79. Sounds like these boards have some serious bios issues with the 940 :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
BE, but Im confused now.
Either the PWM special control (the extra percentage Volts) on the M2R and/or the Vcore ripple was the problem right? My board seems to be fine regarding ripple:confused: I only suffer from Vdrop, but after it's 100% solid.
I hope the 790FXB is fine, if this thing screws anything up, DFI is air for me. Before I install my WC Ill reseat the PWM cooling and tighten the bolts good, add HR-05 heat sinks on top of it. For the rest, nothing I can do to improve things.
If they :banana::banana::banana::banana: up, I dont know what to buy, but it wont be DFI. Anyway, could you please enlighten a bit what the real issue is then? Cause thus far it seems like Ill be fine... I hope:rolleyes:
OK...This is Not to Be Taken out of Context! I cannot comment on 790FXB Boards I do not own one! However I do own a JR 790GX which is but for limited time as it is for intended HTPC Build to sell and I cannot beat it up and sell it I do not do stuff like that!
My statement is only to curtail Possible Bios Issues on Current Board offerings 790FX-M2R is not current Board Offering (But we Still want Bios Issue Fixed!)
So for anyone to get worked up about my Post above in Regards to D.F.I 790FXB Motherboards ......Don't!
My Post above is a direct Statement to D.F.I inc Taiwan no one else ....OK?
<3 I still do agree with you.
There was like nothing wrong with my 790FX-DQ6, ordered this M2R in like Februari '08, and still they're failing at having a good BIOS:shakes: Hardware wise this board does deserve to be under DFI's name but not BIOS wise, while all the DK boards do not deserve to be under DFI's name regarding hardware but do, well, more or less, BIOS wise... WTF:mad:
since i have reseated the pwn cooler, the board runs my 940 @ 3,6 at stock voltage, pwm's ~46°C. i thought i had the same issue like you campbell, but luckily it wasnt...
what are the things you experienced with the fxb?
If that was for me;Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
My previous one had the NB/HT MOSFET blow up, this one has this fun thing the BIOS just simply :banana::banana::banana::banana:s up:rolleyes: Like you save and exit new settings and it doesnt reboot, or it cant reset a too high HTT etc.
with my m2r, I have seen no voltage ripple that is dangerous so far, and I'm leaving it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I hope that they get this worked out over the next 4 months with this bios, as the DDR3 and AM3 boards are coming out and I will like to get my hands on a good AM3 board along with some good DDR3 memory... maybe this board can prove me otherwise.
i didnt have problems with the m2r so far as well. since i reseated my watercooling on the board it flies again.. its just my cpu that isnt a golden one simply and i will leave it at the current 3,6ghz @ 1,3625v. Its cool and fast whatever..
i will stick to it until the am3 issues with 4 dimms are sorted out, or if it does not get sorted, i would consider am3 not before there is something new on the cpu side that would make it necessary (and a good dfi ut board of course ;) )
I'm about to take off the NB/Chipset/SB cooler and clean it off and apply a good film of thermal interface material to it as my NB temps are a bit warm - 48~51C, no stability issues but I do believe I could easily get better contact and cool them down a bit from all that I have read about these coolers.
I also saw B.E. post about the thermaltake NB cooler (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...C=1305&ID=1610)
has anyone else found anything that can replace this factory string of coolers that DFI has?
I love my DFI board, but I did have problem with the official BIOS... I think DFI really should release a official version, I don't mind using a BETA Bios, but it's not really professional on that part that we need to use BETA to be able to use the boards full potential?
So what you guys are saying is I should hold off a bit longer pulling the trigger on a 940????
I wasn't aware you had asked for counsel on CPU Purchase:confused:
I been reading cause I want a 940, and I want to run it on my M2R.
Perhaps I should hold off for a while yet......
Unless you think it would be fine...
The CPU is fine in the Board my only concern is current state of Bios:shakes:
I'm using 1.16.09 Bios atm.
oh and btw my chip numbers are:
HDZ940 XCJ4DGI
CACVC AC 0849APAW 9072241L80280
oh and since I re-seated the stock DFI NB/SB/chip cooler and applied Arctic Cooling MX-2 temps are down 5 Celsius
Do I have to have the 1/16 to runa P2 or can I keep the current one, I realize it will report unknown CPU, but is there other stuff that it needs or helps anything???
Currently have 6/12 installed....
Even the 12/1 official has PhenomII support...
running 3.9 gig again with my M2R, improved the chiller loop, got lower temps with higher volts, I say go for it, put the phenom in and start playing...
still a few more parts coming for even lower temps...damit, i am going to hit 4gig one way or the other......
laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Has anyone good CPU-Z shots or Screenshots with this board and Phenom II near 4GHz?
when AMD reached 6.5ghz at that overclock event, i watched the video and it was done on a M2RS DFI board..... then I think I saw another one at 6.7ghz with a gigabyte board, and then I believe I saw 6.xghz on an ASUS board.
I understand that they are using dry ice / liquid nitrogen / liquid helium, but what I was wanting to get at is isn't the M2RS bios very similar to the M2R bios or am I mistaken?
So far the BIOS is good except for one thing which is; increasing NB voltage. Changing it in the PWM settings does absolutely nothing it is as if that setting is being ignored (but still saved). I have tried all the way up to 1.5v but its still only 1.175v booted which limits me to around 2150mhz NB, after that I can't boot or will get horribly unstable. So I found a solution using these HEX codes, which ofcourse didn't work for me.
HEX = Volts HEX = Volts
00 = 1.5500 14 = 1.3000
01 = 1.5375 15 = 1.2875
02 = 1.5250 16 = 1.2750
03 = 1.5125 17 = 1.2625
04 = 1.5000 18 = 1.2500
05 = 1.4875 19 = 1.2375
06 = 1.4750 1A = 1.2250
07 = 1.4625 1B = 1.2125
08 = 1.4500 1C = 1.2000
09 = 1.4375 1D = 1.1875
0A = 1.4250 1E = 1.1750
0B = 1.4125 1F = 1.1625
0C = 1.4000 20 = 1.1500
0D = 1.3875 21 = 1.1375
0E = 1.3750 22 = 1.1250
0F = 1.3625 23 = 1.1125
10 = 1.3500 24 = 1.1000
11 = 1.3375 25 = 1.0875
12 = 1.3250 26 = 1.0750
13 = 1.3125 27 = 1.0625
1. Enters Advanced Mode and enters new HEX Code (stock is 1E - 1.175v).
2. Computer shutdown, followed by computer turnon and all fans running at 100%.
3. Only way to solve it is Clear CMOS.
4. I come back to BIOS and now the HEX code is set at 00(1.55v). Save and Exit which will result in 2. again.
5. Now I need to remove the MB battery in order to reset my NB-VID back to 1E.
And this is where I am. I have tried with several HEX codes, but none seems to work as i get the same result all over. I am using the latest BETA Bios on DFI's webpage 1/20/2009.
Am I doing something horribly wrong when applying these codes, cause it seems to work with others who use the same board as me (in signature).
Same on the MR2, the CPU NB volts don't change.
Hmm.. The funny thing is people have been able to change it on my motherboard the M2RSH with changing the HEX code, but as you can see it starts acting up. Hope DFI pulls out some new bios soon then :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Is it possible they could add the CPU-NB vcore options to the BIOS? AOD isn't good. It keeps resetting the voltage of CPU to default when I install the latest version.
The setting is there, it can be changed, but it won't do anything when booted it will stay at stock. Re-start and go back to BIOS and your setting is still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by panzerchaos47
As i said, awesome board love it, but of all things that has to be epic fail is that single setting in BIOS:mad:
Oh I meant for M2RS with SB600. Sorry I forgot to add that.
BIOs stays the same but in the OS when I install AOD. CPU would change back to default voltage and cause the system to be unstable. Same with memory voltage.
??? they do! i can even measure that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
I was just about to post that it must change as i have been doing some testing even tho AOD & K10STAT says its at default & my NB overclock would become unstable when i lowed it in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
So its a screwed up reading & trying to change the cpu NB volts in AOD will screw up the CPU volts & it put mine down to 1.23 volts.
Its was not a problem with phenom 1 so its either a problem with just the bios giving out the wrong reading & address on phenom2 or just a problem with the latest bios.
I can be bothered to stick in a phenom 1 to see if its down to the latest bios or the phenom 2 side of the bios only.
i know the readout does not work somehow, not on k10stat nor on everest, dont care about aod... with the pI everest was also only reading the default value...
the NB multiplier absolutely works upward/downward with a 940 on fxb-m2rsh. with a 920, you wont get upwards adjustment and will need to raise HTT. downwards should work fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Yepp I know. But i refered to changing HEX codes in order to increase the NB voltage:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
that absolutely works too, otherwise i wouldn't be on 2.6GHZ NB;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I can barely go above 2100mhz stable, as whenever I insert a HEX code and save/exit it goes loco and a clear-cmos won't even help as the HEX code will go too 00 (1.55v) and when I save/exit after that I need to remove my motherboard battery in order to restore it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
So yeah, I am stuck at 1.175v
You got a Phenom II 940BE maybe its diffrent with Phenom II 920?Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
ya thats a tough one, since your locked upward. please load optimised defaults, try lowering your multiplier and ram divider, clock up a bit, lower your HT, and then try again on the NB..Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
good luck:)
No, I have no problems actually clocking the NB. I could easily run 280 HTT x 9 NB = 2520mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
What I've said all along is, NB volt = impossible to raise, thus I can't get stable above 2100mhz, and booting isn't possible above 2200mhz.
yea... that's what im trying to assist you in honing down:) can you please try again? do a clean reflash of let's say 1/16 beta, nice cmos clear, and then try again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Although Ive a very old BIOS (from April/may '08), it does seem to have a bit of ripple. Sometimes Vcore goes 0.01V up:rolleyes: But, still have to flash to the latest beta, maybe that's better.
mmh the thing is bugging on me again...
yesterday, suddenly the 3,6g @ 1,3625v became unstable. so i lowered to 3,5g @ stock. But the pwm's were'nt hot as last time!
Today, a few minutes ago, the 3,5ghz started to become unstable, and i was kicked to desktop with the same cracking sound and screen corruption... I let the pc cool down and did a restart, now even the 3,6ghz are working again, that is not throwing a bsod at me after 1 test of prime as it was the case yesterday. Also the pwm temps went now down from a middleish 55°C to 46°C at full load...
i'm about to believe that its either my psu or, more likely as these things have been reported earlier, the bios. I will go back to the 12/26 now as it seems stable and see what that behaves like...
watch out! this is kinda scary indeed....
only problem with the 12/26 is you are not able to edjust nb-fid setting when using cnq :/
but.. can it be? 15w lower in idle and 50w lower under prime stress just because of the nb now running 1,8ghz instead of 2,6ghz @ 1,3v?
Oese,
It ain't yer imagination, when my unit goes on the fritz, the PWM temps hold steady @50*c+ at idle and when stressing the system will crash hard, when normally it would be 36*c....usually, after one of these sequences. I have to shut down for 10/15 minutes, clear the CMOS, then upon restart the PWM is usually back to normal, you can't just restart when the sequence happens as something is 'locking' the PWM to higher temps (like volts out of control)......I doubt seriously a proper bios would correct this problem, it is a board quirk, pure and simple...............
It is strange, happens when pushing the clock harder and stressing the rig hard.....and the board takes awhile sometimes to 'come back' to the clock that worked before, fiddling a bit here and there is what I have to do to get it all back sometimes, other times the CMOS reloaded works.....
NEVER happened with a single or dual core, and I skipped the Phenom 1 craze, but it only happens with a 940 on the board, HMMMM????
laterzzzzz..................
i dont believe its the board itself. i never had that happen with the phenom 1 and the biosses belonging to it, 05/05 or 03/07. NEVER. and the pI things had a much higher power draw...
but yeah i thought of your posts when writing this. had them in mind since you posted here and in dfi club. and it kinda fits to what brother esau experienced... i will observe the system with the 12/26 bios, which seemed to be completely stable yesterday evening after flashing and an hour of prime...
Hi guys,
as Ive said before, my Phenom 9950 is limited to an OC of about 3Ghz which I think is pretty poor considering I have a decent WC system and RAM.
What is the bets bios out for OCing the 9950?
also what is the best way to flash, i normally use the windows thingy, but is that not as good?
should i do more than one reflash at a time to 'make sure' if u see what I mean.
cheers
Matt
Since both my DFI SB750 boards :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up now, Im back on the M2R.
Im running an old BIOS, somewhere from April/May '08 IIRC, but Im kind of lost which BIOS I should flash to;
Ive read from BE's post that latest normal BIOS 01-12-08 kills onboard LAN in Vista. Im running a wireless USB adapter, so actually this might be a good BIOS?
Ive read mixed results from both 16-01 and 21-01. Also what exactly might be killing the PhII's on this board? Ive noticed a 0.01V ripple on the very old BIOS, but well, it's not like this doesnt happen on any other board ever:rolleyes:
So what BIOS guys? Im lost now and just wished DFI released a serious solid one, but we all have our wishes and always something/someone doing the opposite:rolleyes:
i'd say try the 12/26.. i've had problems with 01/21 lately...
Looks my 790FX-M2RS died after a BSOD about interrupt from secondary processor has not receive but for some reason this happen couple of times on W7 so I don't know if that's the cause. After BSOD the motherboard wouldn't post. Fans, DVD drive and lights on the motherboard work. I already check RAM, GPU and CPU (I use a working Athlon X2 5000+ BE to test if it's the CPU)
Currently got RMA# just wondering if I can drive there to give the motherboard since DFI place is one hour away.
bad... i think bios is corrupt...
yes but wats best bios for Phenom I? I dont care about onboard lan in vista as I too use a wireless usb dongle.
Whats the matter Ramm don't believe whats been said about current bios situation? 2 Phenom 940 BE that went debunked on low voltage says different :rolleyes: My carrying on is legitimate and real not some plot to discredit D.F.I;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Man, you guys scare me ........ my P2 rig is rock solid at stock (spec in sig). I have been running Folding on CPU (SMP on 2 cores) and GPUs (on 2 cores) 24/7 under Windows 7 64bit Beta for 2 weeks.
I am about to start OC and now I am worried about the stuff I am reading above, so what are the DO's and DON'Ts with DFI beta BIOS.......
Advice on what to raise, multi's on CPU / NB / HT and/or safe voltages would be real nice :)
for p1 i would recommend 03/07 bios or 05/05 beta. Thats what i used for months without any issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmeat51
@ russ_62: if you are not much into cnq, use 12/26 beta. It seems to be the best bios for P2 so far for stability...
about the dos and donts (with 01/16 and 01/21): still under development :rolleyes: you can do anything (i did^^) but perhaps there is some residual risk...
No, you should read better I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I know M2R has some weird issues, that's why Im asking which BIOS I should pick to play on the safe side.
Both the SB750 boards died now, I got to use something:rolleyes:
Also you said low voltage? Since at stock I did have ripple, last night I did a quick check at 1.47Vcore and it was rock solid with the same BIOS:confused: Although stock Vcore was set at AUTO and not fixed:rolleyes:
But, I do believe you, I agreed more than not with you about DFI's mess right now. On the otherhand, one issue does not automatically guarantee all boards will suffer from this. Ive had tons of issues with this board yet while you didnt;)
what about new beta bios? when will it be?
At this point I have no clue what to recommend :confused:
On a Brighter Note D.F.I has contacted me personally again and look forward to collaboration between myself one other person and D.F.I to get this mess sorted out with AMD Bios need to get the official response from D.F.I with my initial proposal for Board and Bios request and collaboration with D.F.I Bios Team.
Hopefully if it all goes well (It Should) and they send the Motherboard Requests to me Oese is my selected chosen Person for aiding and assisting me with this request to D.F.I inc;)
Whoa lol, BIOS's are weird:confused:
Flashed to 26/12, and it restarts everytime after a few minutes of OCCT. However the PWM do get hot, they might be hitting 85C maybe, triggering a restart:rolleyes:
Ill try and put a fan on those MOSFETs, some ghetto modding with tie-wraps might get the job done:p:
I found some modded BIOS's on Rebel Haven forum, but they're mainly for the M2RS, the M2R ones haven't been updated for a long time:(
BE, I hope you get those DFI people to get some stuff done then, although it seems like you and Oese will have to do the most things anyway:rolleyes: But it would become time they release a final and good stable BIOS.
I dont mind unstable beta's, but after 1.5 years... there should be a BIOS without crap. They better get it fixed before this board might pop and/or they release an AM3 based UT board cause I wont buy it if this stuff keeps on going:shakes:
With one stupid fix to read temps correctly they manage to kill the whole Voltage table (as an example how retarded those stacking BIOS's are becoming).
Im wondering if that BIOS chip its self ain't bugged/faulty like hell?
Hmmm, Ive had at some point an A64 6400+ which had something look like degarding. However this might have been caused by a DIMM slot failure on another board, maybe it sort of made the IMC degrade. Ain't impossible since once I put in a DIMM inccorectly (yes I know, was in a hurry), and the IMC refused to work with 4 DIMMs since and even didnt want to read specific modules.Quote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
Ok after long hard testing of 1/16 and 1/21 Beta bios.
I'm convinced that they are bugged big time.
Way unstable, I too could overclock easier with those bios.
But it would become unstable all of a sudden,unable to even run at stock speeds some times.
Even after I flashed back to 12/26 Bios it showed the same signs of instability. Thought maybe I fried my CPU like Esau,but things are stable again....lol for now.
:welcome:
NEW BETA BIOS OUT FOR:
LANPARTY JR 790GX-M2RS
LANPARTY DK 790GX-M2RS
LANPARTY DK 790FXB-M2RSH
Branded as "2009-02-13"
I am off to work so can't test this :( But I am hoping to get some results from you people of how the new BIOSes are working.
Wonder why there is no beta bios for "LANPARTY DK 790FXB-M2RS", isn't that same-same compared to M2RSH or did I miss something?:confused:
Also, if changing the NB voltage works correctly YOU MUST REPORT AND I LUV YOU LONG TIME!
it seems really like all these p2 biosses are wrecked. just today when i was reading here the comp rebooted at his former stable idle setting... more weird, 0,8v was now 0,864v without reason. i will now flash 03/07 official and look whether that good old one is stable with p2... although ddr1066 setting is not working for me on that bios...
dammit... something must be done about it really..
Nope - only for the GX - no new beta for the FXB :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
after all this time, and still no 'perfect' or 'close to perfect' bios, it may well be that there is NO REAL SOLUTION to the problem.....
I am of the opinion there is some component on the board that just goes wacko under huge stress (read, clocking and volting), and there is no bios that can control defective or squirrely parts....
Again, the AMD side of the fence gremlins just won't go away......and it ain't just DFI, krap, all the other palyers have their own little quirks, some won't run 4 sticks of ram @1066 with a Phenom with any guarantee, then why put four slots on the board???? so it will look purdy (I know, run them @800)???? this has been going on FOREVER......as much as I like AMD, it is second tier electronics at best....
beat the horse to death or go horse tryin' to fix it, LOL...
and the beat goes on...
laterzzzzz......................
Its not a Build component quality control issue I assure you;)
One thing I can vouch for with D.F.I is their superior selection and integration of high quality components on their Motherboards:yepp:
Bios and Build quality are the whole reason I have run D.F.I exclusively for years now on my systems and customer builds.
Its a Bios issue which is getting or has gotten very , very Old and needs immediate correction like 6 months ago!
The last time I saw issues like this was with the UT CRFX 3200 Socket 939 ULI Chipset Board
Got My Phenom II 940 BE Back from EGGY 2 DAYS AGO and just got mt Danger Den Torture Box and Custom water cooling Hooked up last night ....all I can say is that ....WOW...Water Cooling is the SHIZNIT:hump:
3.6 @ Stock Volts Idle 28c Load 38c OCCT 1 hr High Priority:D
What had I been missing all of these years (smacks self in Head Repeatedly):ROTF:................Much better on water:up:
here is another report on the PWM sequence.
oh, before I ferget, yeah, water cooling is the bomb....welcome to the club
I was just testing some slight downclocking and lowering of volts for hotter summertime runnings, just so I will be prepared.....daymn if the PWM didn't go nuts, on LESS VOLTS, caused all sorts of problems, and, of course it is the first place I look now whenever the board has a sheeeeeeitfit sequence....it just hit out of the blue while in windows, the PWM shyrocketed out of left field (I watched it in real time with Everest), system bluescreened, had to shutdown, unplug the PS, discharge by hitting the power on button, wait several minutes, plug it in again, boot up, and the PWM is back to normal....
something is just spiking the PWM on these boards, pure and simple, we got to find out what is doing it, once it spikes, you have to shutdown and disconnect PS, discharge, wait....
I am telling you, the AsRock 790/750sb board is looking rather good right now, and it ain't expensive (the Egg, about $120 deeeeeelivered, update: pulled the trigger so I can play some more)....they don't seem to be having any power delivery problems, I don't care if the 940 doesn't clock better, getting rid of the annoyance is paramount right now, and, for some reason, I never have had a problem running 4 sticks on an AsRock, go figure, and no problem with the present DFI.... I have two clients running with the older AsRock Dual Sata II's, both upgraded with 940 daughtercards to bring them up to almost current, one setup running a 6400+ dually @ stock and the other running a 65nm 3600+ dually clocked comfortably to 2.56 gig(9.5x266, ram on 667 divider) on stock volts, both have been absolutely problem free, both running with 4 DDR2 mem slots occupado.......
this is arguably the most frustrating unexplained problem with this board, at least for me....
laterzzz...................
:up::up::up: have fun :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Olli..............whats the place in Germany to get chipset and PWN WC Blocks for our boards? Also can you get a link that translates please?
Wtf I am 100% i saw it this morning for LANPARTY DK 790FXB-M2RSH :confused: but you're right it's not on their website anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
Only been waiting all day to get home and try it.
http://shop.anfi-tec.de/Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
its here... translation mmh dunno.. but they speak english if you mail them...
The M2R uses the PWM008 cooler, the nbsb014 and the nbsb017...
Don't feel bad when the 2/13/2009 Beta was released for the JR 790GX I checked all boards even my 790fx-m2r and there was a Beta 2/13/2009 for the 790FX-M2R as well later that day it was gone and has not been back since:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
another PWM sequence while surfing the net this AM outta nowhere, PWM just skyrocketed,,,,,,frick.....
sorry, i am jumping out of the fray, gonna put this board back to a 6400+ and slam the 940 into a new 790/750SB board on Monday, this is intolerable....
it has been a good RIDE though...
laterzzzzz....................
Thanks, atleast now I know I am not crazy :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
But it seems i should've downloaded it when I had the chance. DFI RELEASE IT AGAIN! :D
why do you need a new bios? 1/16 clocks very well and is quite stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
slapped a chipset fan on the NB (with velcro, hehe). took down my ambient case air (dropped chipset temps ~12c). occt'in 3.82 now. gotta find a more permanent solution (the adhesive got less sticky from the heat and the chipset fan fell off once. increased surface area of the velcro; hope it pans out).
I can't change my NB voltage. Using HEX codes just completely locks my computer and I have to Clear CMOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
Be happy they removed the BIOS if it wasnt good, I'd rather wait 1 month longer to get a good BIOS than to have and check every week;)
Anyway, M2R is a weird board. My PWM's squeak, they always did that. And I still cant tell if it's normal or not or whether I should be worried or not:confused: Since it's been like this forever and Ive had more hardware doing that Im not too worried, but somehow it makes me worried on this board:(
Somehow I cant get any good clocks out of my CPU, it seems like my air wall stays the same on high-end water:eek: However I slammed 1.5V right on top of it (yes, I know BE, shut it). Ill try to re-do it and start with 1.4V or so because this doesnt seem right to me. On air I needed +0.025V for 3.6Ghz and +0.15V for 3.7Ghz, that picture doesnt look right as well:rolleyes: Even tried upto 1.55 for 3.8, Machine Check Exception BSOD:rofl:
play with cpu p-states. that might get you more stability. p-1 seems to add stability for me. lastviking on dficlub states p-2 gives more stability for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
have you tried 1/16?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Will try, but Im quite sure there's no P-2 state in BIOS? Only P-0 and P-1:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
after one week i also got an DFI UT 790FX-M2R. i think it wolt be nice to have an DFI for overclock again!:rocker:
hey roman :) you have the m2r working?
hmm, might only become active with SB750 if you don't see the extra p-state options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
hy oliverQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
not at the moment. but maybe next week. i got the outstanding parts for the third watercooling on friday. i must bye first 6 x Scythe Slip Stream für the two HD 3870 and new tubes für the 3 watercoolling.
a big project to build this into one case
ye 3 watercooling loops in one case is hard xD
wich AGB did you use?
i got a wrong who is to long :-(
i need a second Alphacool Cape Coolplex Pro 25
cape coolplex 10cm..
damt
its to smal. but i search im my room and found an 23cm. e little bit smaler than the other but it is ok
so i only neen new tubes and the 6 scyth :-)
if you serch for a 40cm...talk to me...it is free now!
how does the OCZ works? can you run 1200 on the DFI?
Ah, I checked it and I indeed got P-0~P-4;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pershoot
And WTF! It works!
First I tried 1.4Vcore as I said before with HTT of 200 and a CPU multi of 18.5 and a NB multi of 10. That BSOD'd in a minute. Went to 1.45V, BSOD'd in 5 minutes, 1.475V 5~10 minutes BSOD. I kept same settings and started to play with P-states;
P-0; BSOD
P-1; Restart
P-2; Core 2 error notified by OCCT
P-3; Testing now...
WTF, it really works. However, I think this ain't right, P-states shouldnt have anything to do with stability, another thing for DFI to address?
My hopes are a lot higher now, it's only a bit of a shame that basically all previous testing became instantly useless because you cant tell what crash is caused by the P-states and what is caused by an instable CPU:rolleyes: Also Im wondering, based on my list, whether say P-4 is the best and P-0 is the worse or that any P-state could have any effect. So say P-4 would cause an instant BSOD while P-3 seems to be the most stable.
w00ps, a few corrections in first post;
I only have P-0 to P-3, not P-4:p:
P-3 result was a BSOD, so I think P-2 is the best.
Running for 20 minutes already,. had to increase Vcore 1.4875V for 3.7Ghz. Makes sense according to my results on air, namely '+0.15V'.
If this passes the 1h OCCT test Ill try and go higher with more Volts. Im quite happy the BSOD's I got with all previous testing were most likely meaning nothing because of P-state mess up. Although 1.4875Vcore for 3.7Ghz ain't super, nor bad though, I might be able to hit 4Ghz with 1.55Vcore...
With 1.4875Vcore, 1.2Vnb (if it's actually working:confused:) and 3.7Ghz CPU, 2Ghz NB my CPU temp is 36C:cool:
Im happy to say there's a bit more hope for this board again, on the otherhand Ive got to say BIOS is even worse than expected because, as I noted before, P-states shouldnt have any effect on OC'ing:rolleyes:
[EDIT
WTF, I set 1.4875Vcore, it ran for at least 30 minutes which Im sure about but just as I checked it BSOD'd anyway with P-state 2:confused: Everytime I get the same Machine Check Exception error as well. I set my NB back to 1.8Ghz incase Vnb ain't being applied after all.
EDIT 2
Ehm... Im starting to wonder if it might be caused due to my own mess, namely I didnt do a re-install of my OS's after I changed from 790FXB-M2RSH to 790FX-M2R and set my PCI-e and PCI cards into different slots than on my M2RSH. For example, I get 5 Found New Hardware pop-ups after boot...