The Force 3 needs to go 2PB vs the other (60-64GB) drives, it's got RAISE and so it will be interesting when things start to develop.
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The Force 3 needs to go 2PB vs the other (60-64GB) drives, it's got RAISE and so it will be interesting when things start to develop.
Well, I tried D-flashing the M225 w/o success :(....
Drive is accessible in "factory mode" so I thought I would give it a shot. First, I ran the NAND cleaner by OCZ for my chips and it definitely saw all those bad blocks. Then I attempt to D-flash and it didn't like that at all -- "High Erase Failure" came up a few times along with "corrupt" and "scan list not found" (don't quote me on that one). Finally ended with see good.bin and bad.bin :shrug:
I think SSD makers need to have/use separate flash to store they're FW and other such pertinent drive info on. This way when someone writes 968TB to a drive they can still flash since it won't be stored on the regular drive NAND and then be able access it. :)
I'm out of ideas :shakes:
Edit: I'm taking the next half of the day off of work...I'm too depressed!
Boss: what happened? why aren't you at work?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
bluestang: I am mourning the death of my beloved M225...:(
Boss: Get back here!
bluestang: I thought you cared...<tears>
I am working from home today to celebrate 968TB of writes by the M225...:D
Sad to see the M225 die like this. Maybe there is another way ? Any news on the 470 that someone here tried to read the NAND directly, One_Hertz ?
I just assumed that the M225 would kinda last forever. And now it's gone.
Sadness.
Samsung 830 64GB Update, Day 4
FW:CXM01B1Q
GiB written:
36318.15
Avg MB/s
107.64
Per-day average:
9106.05
96 hours
https://www.box.com/shared/static/x5...gldlyqpvge.jpg
The average per day is a little higher. I have an alarm that goes off at 14:27 every day so I can take screenshots. Figuring an exact daily average is going to get much more difficult.
Having good SMART data is essential, and it's the worst aspect of the 830. Why would they not provide decent SMART data? Why?
What a shame, it did put up a good fight though!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
Let's see on Monday before we close the case.
The 830 is a lot better than the 470, there were movements to other attributes on my drives, not just F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
(I don't think I found what they represented)
Umm... the Samsung's had some major movement... maybe?
Reallocated sectors went from 0 to 4096
https://www.box.com/shared/static/ov...a8hens93zu.jpg
Unless CDI is wrong about those being reallocated sectors, or it only increments in values of 4096.
I tend to think of that as a big deal for a 4 day old drive, but it's possible that it's normal. Maybe that's the equivalent of 1 reallocation with the Mushkin or something.
Maybe it's nothing to worry about.
EDIT
https://www.box.com/shared/static/57...pf2la0qtzg.jpg
Okay, its not a big deal (probably). I had been taking smart data pics with CDI because all ofthe attributes were unnamed with SSDlife. I installed the installer version instead of the portable and attributes are all there. peep it.
Todays update:
Kingston V+100
Still disconnected. I was home today way to late to start with SE and taking a look at it. I'll do this tomorrow.
Intel X25-M G1 80GB
112,7744 TiB
19487 hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=56 to 45
MD5 =OK
44.70 MiB/s on avg
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471302http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471300
m4
28.4050 TiB
102 hours
Avg speed 81.38 MiB/s.
AD gone from 89 to 85.
P/E 490.
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471303http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471301
@Bluestang
Sorry about the M225.... It put up a hell of a fight..
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
541.67TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 14
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
POH 4913
MD5 OK
33.55MiB/s on avg (~48 hours)
--
Corsair Force 3 120GB
01 94/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 45 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 512854 (Raw writes) ->501TiB
F1 682612 (Host writes) ->667TiB
MD5 OK
106.49MiB/s on avg (~168 hours)
power on hours : 1948
WRD decreased by 1 from 46 to 45.
--
@Christopher
I expect 4096 could be the smallest unit for reporting.
Nothing to worry about.
Anvil,
I figured that out. I'm most pleased that SSDlife now shows proper attribute names. I now have context, and will include smart values in updates (since I know what they are now).
Reallocations have increased to 8196 within the past 30 mins.
Having PE count is handy too.
Samsung 830 64GB Update, Day 4
FW:CXM01B1Q
GiB written:
45390.03
Avg MB/s
107.57
Per-day average:
9078
PE Cycles
72
Reallocated Sector Count
8196 (2 blocks)
120 hours
https://www.box.com/shared/static/ze...ijadob8ko3.jpg
https://www.box.com/shared/static/1x...j4j73p9x49.jpg
Note that the normalized value decreased from 100 to 99 (threshold 10) when the raw value increased from 0 to 8192. With only one decrement of the normalized value, any extrapolation will be very rough, but current estimate is that the SSD can have 89 more of those RAW increases by 6144 (average of 4096 and 8192) before it has any trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
Todays update.
Kingston V+100
283.3777 TiB
1288 hours
Avg speed 28.60 MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471380http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471377
Intel X25-M G1 80GB
115,5559 TiB
19507 hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=45 to 38
MD5 =OK
42.72 MiB/s on avg
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471379http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471376
m4
33.2744 TiB
122 hours
Avg speed 82.57 MiB/s.
AD gone from 85 to 81.
P/E 584.
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471381http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471378
Yeah, I figured that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnw
Look at the SMART data in the update I posted today. It incremented by 4096 twice (I believe these are actual sectors). Retired blocks equals 2 now. But SSDlife and CDI didn't show attribute names. Now SSDlife does since switching to the installer version, so that helps. I assumed that 4096 equals 2MiB, but that doesn't really fit since 100 x 2MiB is only 200MiB, of which it can lose ~180MiB? I'll have to do more research, but I know that 1) reallocated sectors increase in increments of 4096 and 2) retired blocks increase correspondingly in increments of 1. I basically watched it increase from 4096 to 8192 and from 1 to 2. So that's why I put 8196 = 2 blocks in the update.
I don't think the 32Gbit 27nm Toggle NAND on the Samsung is all that awful. It's probably better than Toshiba's Toggle NAND. Yes, the controller is a black box -- but so is every other controller. Samsung drives do have the distinction of being one of the main OEM drive manufacturers. It's not like Apple is putting Intel drives in Macs (though they are putting some fairly awful performing Toshibas in there). The 830 is OEM equipment for several high end laptops such as Dell Precisions and the like. That's always a good thing as that usually means everyone gets in some validation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulanula
The case of the Samsung 830 is also very interesting. We will see how it compares to the 470 but I bet it will last much less considering the worse NAND it has. The controller is not much improved either, I bet. Samsung controllers always have been very proprietary and pretty simple but they do not easily fail like the SF ones.
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
542.97TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 14
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
POH 4925
MD5 OK
43.32MiB/s on avg (~10 minutes)
--
Corsair Force 3 120GB
01 90/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 47 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 516166 (Raw writes) ->504TiB
F1 687021 (Host writes) ->671TiB
MD5 OK
113.91MiB/s on avg (~10 minutes)
power on hours : 1961
I had to install some updates and so the computer was restarted.
Samsung 830 64GB Update, Day 6
FW:CXM01B1Q
GiB written:
54505.70
Avg MB/s
107.91
Per-day average:
9084GB
PE Cycles
87
Reallocated Sector Count
8196 (2 blocks)
146 hours
https://www.box.com/shared/static/4p...cco4k06t2b.jpg
https://www.box.com/shared/static/1m...n1p5jg62f2.jpg
Todays update.
Kingston V+100
285.4463 TiB
1311 hours
Avg speed 25.61 MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471508http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471505
Intel X25-M G1 80GB
119,6193 TiB
19529 hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=38 to 33
MD5 =OK
51.45 MiB/s on avg
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471507http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471504
m4
39.7725 TiB
145 hours
Avg speed 80.41 MiB/s.
AD gone from 81 to 78.
P/E 693.
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471509http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471506
So after I d-flashed my Agility 60 for the second time, it's started exhibiting some very strange behavior... It's acting exactly like the Chronos Deluxe did as a system drive before the 3.3.2FW "fix". The same pause, then BSOD, then it needs a full manual power cycle. It's most curious... I mean exactly like a SF2281 hang/BSoD/reboot then manual power cycle. On the positive side, at least I don't have to d-flash it again (maybe?). I had always thought of my Indys as pretty bullet proof, but this one's getting kinda flakey.
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
547.68TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 14
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
POH 4966
MD5 OK
33.45MiB/s on avg (~41 hours)
--
Corsair Force 3 120GB
01 85/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 52 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 527666 (Raw writes) ->515TiB
F1 702329 (Host writes) ->686TiB
MD5 OK
106.46MiB/s on avg (~41 hours)
power on hours : 2002
WRD is increasing rapidly, I expect it will start decreasing again within a few more days.
--
@bluestang
What is the status on the M225?
EDIT: nvm.. answered my questions lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
bluestang: do you load the M225 again to see if it loads? May be there is a miracle waiting to happen...:D
Samsung 830 64GB Update, Day 7
FW:CXM01B1Q
GiB written:
63610.84
Avg MB/s
107.91
Per-day average:
9087GB
PE Cycles
87
Reallocated Sector Count
8196 (2 blocks)
PE Count:
101
170 hours
https://www.box.com/shared/static/18...ez2e3zag9e.jpg
https://www.box.com/shared/static/cr...5oj5d26ih3.jpg
If you look at the SMART data, notice that the Reallocated Sector count is at 8196. It went from 0 to 4096, then from 4096 to 8192. So look at the used reserved block count... 4. Does that make each block equal 2048? If a page is 4K, 128 pages equals 512K. Not sure how the math works out, but 8196 x 512 bytes = 4MiB.
It sounds really basic, but I really have no clue how this part works out. I know Indilinxes use (or used?) 4K pages, 128 pages equals one block, so each block would equal 512K or 100,000 512 byte sectors.
I keep trying various Google searches for specific Samsung 830 reallocated sector info, and to my dismay the most relevant article is... page 119 of this thread.
Todays update.
Kingston V+100
287.8517 TiB
1338 hours
Avg speed 25.45MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471678http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471675
Intel X25-M G1 80GB
124,5284 TiB
19557hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=33to 26
MD5 =OK
51.40 MiB/s on avg
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471679http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471674
m4
47.4961 TiB
173 hours
Avg speed 80.85 MiB/s.
AD gone from 78 to 73.
P/E 828.
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471677http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=471676