The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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04-02-2010, 08:56 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by Apokalipse

See, I just don't understand this. How is 470 or 480 a better purchase against a 5850, 5870 or 5970?

I'm not anti-Nvidia or anything, but I really think that ATI has won this generation.
Cypress isn't the fastest GPU, but it's cheaper, much lower on power consumption and it works well in crossfire (which will give best performance if that's what you're after).
I don't really see a price point where GF100 is better suited than one or more Cypress cards/GPU's

EDIT: that post was way too pissy sounding....

i will buy based on my needs, not what you believe my needs are. thank you.
04-02-2010, 09:36 PM
Apokalipse

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Originally Posted by 570091D

EDIT: that post was way too pissy sounding....

i will buy based on my needs, not what you believe my needs are. thank you.

And I was stopping you from doing that how?
04-02-2010, 09:37 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by 570091D

EDIT: that post was way too pissy sounding....

i will buy based on my needs, not what you believe my needs are. thank you.

Additionally from what I have seen Tri SLI seems to be the fastest solution.

IF SLI gtx 480 are sometimes beating a 5970 by 60 percent as in anandtech review(and at the very worst beating it by 15 percent, with an average about 40 percent), tri sli is bound to win even against a pair of 5970 . And they happen to more or less cost the same, although you might need a big power supply(and if was me I would use atleast
1 water block on the center card).

Also for some, 3d gaming might be another reason to go with NV. 3d everything is taking off and AMD doesn't have anything setup in this regard.
04-02-2010, 09:41 PM
Apokalipse

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Additionally from what I have seen Tri SLI seems to be the fastest solution.

IF SLI gtx 480 are sometimes beating a 5970 by 60 percent as in anandtech review, tri sli is bound to win.

Are you comparing three 480's against one 5970?

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Also for some, 3d gaming might be another reason to go with NV. 3d everything is taking off and AMD doesn't have anything setup in this regard.

Actually they are already starting to add 3D support.

But then personally I think it's just a fad that companies are using to sell more useless ****.
04-02-2010, 10:02 PM
malik22

I have a question my monitor is a 24inch samsung lcd tv 1080p if I get the 4xx in sli can I connect them with my hdmi cable to my tv? will I get audio?
04-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Svnth

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Originally Posted by Apokalipse

Are you comparing three 480's against one 5970?
Actually they are already starting to add 3D support.

Just FYI

3D through Quad-buffer support requiring the developer to implement it themselves != the tech/scope and game-support of 3D Vision
04-02-2010, 10:44 PM
Solus Corvus

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

IF SLI gtx 480 are sometimes beating a 5970 by 60 percent as in anandtech review(and at the very worst beating it by 15 percent, with an average about 40 percent), tri sli is bound to win even against a pair of 5970

Still, unless you have evidence that is true, then it's just speculation. CF/SLI scaling doesn't always work as expected - especially across more then two GPUs. Which GPUs win would likely be dependent on which game being used.
04-02-2010, 11:30 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Apokalipse

Are you comparing three 480's against one 5970?
Actually they are already starting to add 3D support.

But then personally I think it's just a fad that companies are using to sell more useless ****.

No, 3 gtx 480 vs 2 5970.

If it were a fad, we wouldn't have tonnes of 3d capable monitors coming out. I havent heard anything with AMD 3d initiative.
04-03-2010, 01:12 AM
saaya

somebody asked if the evga blocks are any good.
i saw that they use swiftech blocks on the 470, which at least look very very nice... they even have a heatsink for the pwm which is connected to the main block via a heatpipe! sounds very nice... and their 470 with waterblock costs 499$, the same as a 480... but really, the 470 doesnt make much sense imo... check out the 470 ocing results we have so far... even a 750mhz 470 is 10% behind a 480 at 700mhz... the missing mem bandwidth and texturing power seem to have a big impact on perf... with a vmod the 470 should be able to reach 480 performance... but you need watercooling to keep it cool, and you end up spending the same as a 480, lol... so watercooling a 470 doesnt make too much sense imo...

1920x1080 without dx11 = 4850 or gts250 = 99$
1920x1080 with dx11 = 5850 = 299$
2560x1600 = 5970 or 470 sli = 700$+

the 480 and 5870 dont make sense at all unless your benching imo... :shrug:

in the end you pay 200$ for dx11... is that worth it? definately not if you ask me... sure, a 5750 does dx11 as well and costs a lot less, but its too slow to actually play games with dx11 enabled and full details... its somewhat a compromise option but it makes more sense to spend a bit extra and get a propper dx11 card imo.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

If it were a fad, we wouldn't have tonnes of 3d capable monitors coming out. I havent heard anything with AMD 3d initiative.

tons? samsung, acer, alienware and acer... and they are based on the same panel, the only difference is the plastic bracket and stand.
correct me if im wrong but those are the only 3d displays i can find...

i like 3d... a lot!... but im waiting for 240hz 3d displays before i actually spend that much money on it...
04-03-2010, 01:46 AM
malik22

can anyone answer my last question.
04-03-2010, 03:15 AM
Thraxis

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Originally Posted by malik22

I have a question my monitor is a 24inch samsung lcd tv 1080p if I get the 4xx in sli can I connect them with my hdmi cable to my tv? will I get audio?

Not that experienced with SLi, let alone pass through audio on the Geforce cards. However, I would be almost certain that using the SPDIF pass through from soundcard/board to whichever 4xx card you'd have as the main display driver would allow the audio to still pass through in SLi. So yes.
04-03-2010, 04:03 AM
Leeghoofd

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Originally Posted by malik22

I have a question my monitor is a 24inch samsung lcd tv 1080p if I get the 4xx in sli can I connect them with my hdmi cable to my tv? will I get audio?

I hope you meant a 42 inch monitor ? 24 inch and you need fermis in SLI for 1920 x 1200 res gaming ? :shrug:
04-03-2010, 04:21 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I hope you meant a 42 inch monitor ? 24 inch and you need fermis in SLI for 1920 x 1200 res gaming ? :shrug:

whatever inch it is, he said 1080p, so he's playing on 1920x1080. even a 5870 can be overkill in that ress :D
04-03-2010, 04:22 AM
Musho

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I hope you meant a 42 inch monitor ? 24 inch and you need fermis in SLI for 1920 x 1200 res gaming ? :shrug:

How big it is, doesn't matter. He said he was using it at a 1080p resolution. So yeah, 2 fermis in SLI is pretty overkill :p:
04-03-2010, 04:51 AM
malik22

I agree with you guys but I mostley play Arma 2 and I need all the power I can get.But that was not my question I wanted to know If I will be able to use the gpus threw a HDMI cable and get audio and video.
04-03-2010, 05:37 AM
Musho

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Originally Posted by malik22

I agree with you guys but I mostley play Arma 2 and I need all the power I can get.But that was not my question I wanted to know If I will be able to use the gpus threw a HDMI cable and get audio and video.

ARMA 2 is _very_ CPU dependent. What CPU are you using now? Although increasing the draw distance does bring GPUs to their knees as well :p:
04-03-2010, 06:38 AM
saaya

correction, id go for a 3d display as soon as theres one that can do 200hz... 100hz per eye is enough...
i just came back from the cinema seeing the dreamworks 3d dragon movie and... wow... as soon as the camera moved, even at a slow pace, the whole scene began to flicker and everything blurred.
some scenes made my eyes water, and not cause they were emotionally touching lol :D
04-03-2010, 06:55 AM
Aerwidh

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Originally Posted by saaya

correction, id go for a 3d display as soon as theres one that can do 200hz... 100hz per eye is enough...
i just came back from the cinema seeing the dreamworks 3d dragon movie and... wow... as soon as the camera moved, even at a slow pace, the whole scene began to flicker and everything blurred.
some scenes made my eyes water, and not cause they were emotionally touching lol :D

Considering how many "me, too" 3D movies we are gonna get in Avatar's wake, expect a lot more of those bad executions
04-03-2010, 07:41 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Aerwidh

Considering how many "me, too" 3D movies we are gonna get in Avatar's wake, expect a lot more of those bad executions

yeah some parts of the movie were even clearly 2d... for example theres a scene with a burning house, and while the house is in 3d, the wall is flat and the fire and all details of the house are in 2d... looks odd... :D

i wonder if its the same with current games
04-03-2010, 07:53 AM
Aerwidh

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Originally Posted by saaya

i wonder if its the same with current games

Probably easier to make it work properly with games, since they have all the 3D data and render it when you want to see it. Some movies can be "converted" into 3D after they are mostly done, which obviously introduces the problem of really only having a 2-dimensional source to work with.
04-03-2010, 10:20 AM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by Musho

How big it is, doesn't matter. He said he was using it at a 1080p resolution. So yeah, 2 fermis in SLI is pretty overkill :p:

No it isn't.. BC2 and a good handful of newer (and some older) games would all benefit greatly, especially once AA is enabled.
04-03-2010, 10:36 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

No it isn't.. BC2 and a good handful of newer (and some older) games would all benefit greatly, especially once AA is enabled.

at 1080?
BC2
stalker
metro
crysis

thats all i can think of... stalker and crysis are old games, and spending 350$ extra to have a little better iq in 2-4 games... well... as a german proverb goes: if you HAVE the money why not spend it... :D
04-03-2010, 10:42 AM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by saaya

at 1080?
BC2
stalker
metro
crysis

thats all i can think of... stalker and crysis are old games, and spending 350$ extra to have a little better iq in 2-4 games... well... as a german proverb goes: if you HAVE the money why not spend it... :D

Don't forget AvP, and there are probably others that slip my mind.

Anyway BC2 is my favorite game, and the trailers of Metro look amazing and I will be getting it as soon as I get my 480 so I can experience it with full DX11 graphics and PhysX.
04-03-2010, 04:49 PM
grimREEFER

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Originally Posted by Thraxis

Not that experienced with SLi, let alone pass through audio on the Geforce cards. However, I would be almost certain that using the SPDIF pass through from soundcard/board to whichever 4xx card you'd have as the main display driver would allow the audio to still pass through in SLi. So yes.

no spdif passthrough on this model, the card can output digital sound by itself.

just select nvidia hd audio in control panel and you are good to go.
04-03-2010, 05:40 PM
blindbox

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Originally Posted by saaya

snip

Sorry for the OT. Saaya, that's from AVIRA Free-AV 10, isn't it? Your avatar, I mean. I had a good laugh at that as well :rofl:

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