The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

Millyon

I get the same temps with my XP-90C and my 3200. I've re-seated the heatsink 6 times (including twice with the aluminum XP-90) and still get the same temps. Due to only mediocre overclocking and some stability issues, I suspect a crappy heatspreader. My heatsink doesn't even get noticeably warm to the touch.

I won't buy another cpu for this mobo though, since there doesn't seem to be a fully working bios for the dual core cpus and I suspect there won't be. MSI probably doesn't think there's any reason to fight the NF3 chipset into properly working with the dual core, and maybe they don't realize that if they abandon all of us with high speed AGP cards without a bios that works properly with venice, san diego, and X2 cpus, then not a damn one of us will buy MSI next time for fear of being abandoned again.

I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 bios and 3200 cpu, and I'll keep repeating that to myself until my AGP 6800GT isn't fast enough. Then instead of migrating this cpu/mobo to my wife's computer as I usually do when upgrading, I'll throw it all in the trash and replace it with something based around an ABIT or ASUS motherboard. I went with MSI socket 939 to ensure I could do dual-core, and I got screwed because it seems that they can't or won't make it work, and damned if I'm going to give MSI any more money. A mobo update just so I can get a dual core cpu would require me to go with PCI express, but since my AGP 6800GT works just fine now, I'll stick with what I have now until I have no choice, and then I'll replace it all at once. But not with MSI parts. Once bitten...

im bored bbl ;)

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Originally Posted by D3kMatrix

SE u have any idea how to change which temp Speedfan shows in the system tray?

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yea click configure then on the temps tab (first on left), select a temp like you were gonna set ranges, or rename it, and on the right side of the window above the OK and CANCEL buttons is a checkbox to make it show in tray

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Looks nice with a heatsink. To be honest it never gets hot anyway so i might do the same thing you did.

Why did you try the 1.A4 bios because thats kinda old now we have had 1.A official 1.B beta 1 - 4 and official since then.

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Because supposedly it didn't have cold boot issues.... well it does with my UTT... so back to 1.9

I don't think there's ever going to be a bios that doesn't have cold boot problems with this UTT crap :p:

My idle temps are 41 degrees' and thats low because today it's cool here case temp is 26c usally case temp is around 30c+ and idle is about 45, this is with xp-90 and a tornado mind you! and 1.5vcore lol it's rediculos I even took ihs off, under load I see 56c I't might just be the mobo, but I've tried 1.8 which the temps are sapouse to work on, and same temps so...

Anyways I'm still happy with my chip it's running 2.950mhz with 1.5vcore I think the board is just reading +10c to high :D Heat sink isn't even warm to the touch either.

In Central brain Identifier under mobility/ p state it tells you tcase max and "thermal offset 10c" anyone know what this means?

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Originally Posted by flenser

Millyon

I get the same temps with my XP-90C and my 3200. I've re-seated the heatsink 6 times (including twice with the aluminum XP-90) and still get the same temps. Due to only mediocre overclocking and some stability issues, I suspect a crappy heatspreader. My heatsink doesn't even get noticeably warm to the touch.

I won't buy another cpu for this mobo though, since there doesn't seem to be a fully working bios for the dual core cpus and I suspect there won't be. MSI probably doesn't think there's any reason to fight the NF3 chipset into properly working with the dual core, and maybe they don't realize that if they abandon all of us with high speed AGP cards without a bios that works properly with venice, san diego, and X2 cpus, then not a damn one of us will buy MSI next time for fear of being abandoned again.

I'm perfectly happy with my 1.8 bios and 3200 cpu, and I'll keep repeating that to myself until my AGP 6800GT isn't fast enough. Then instead of migrating this cpu/mobo to my wife's computer as I usually do when upgrading, I'll throw it all in the trash and replace it with something based around an ABIT or ASUS motherboard. I went with MSI socket 939 to ensure I could do dual-core, and I got screwed because it seems that they can't or won't make it work, and damned if I'm going to give MSI any more money. A mobo update just so I can get a dual core cpu would require me to go with PCI express, but since my AGP 6800GT works just fine now, I'll stick with what I have now until I have no choice, and then I'll replace it all at once. But not with MSI parts. Once bitten...

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Wow flashback to bios 1.9 :p: Theres no big issues with the 1.A and 1.B bios files and the san diego venice or x2 cpus. I dont know what youve been reading maybe old posts about first x2 bios maybe.

When your done with your neo 2 send it to me instead of throwing it away and ill use it :D

Sure a lot of people :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about the neo 2 but if you read it carefully and see what some people expect then take it with a pinch of salt. The neo 2 is never gonna perform as some people would like but its still a decent motherboard. My san diego runs fine at 2750 mhz 250 x 11 on air and 3ghz on vapochill. People here have x2 cpus running just perfectly.

Bios updates are regular and improvments are being made.

i was bored so i cranked it up.. will push higher :) :) :)

[IMG]http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/4748/12128uz.jpg[/IMG]

my sandra performance rating is 9022

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Originally Posted by el rolio

yea click configure then on the temps tab (first on left), select a temp like you were gonna set ranges, or rename it, and on the right side of the window above the OK and CANCEL buttons is a checkbox to make it show in tray

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Nice, thanks.

sideeffect, i downloaded your 1.b ballistix bios just now and have been testing it with my 2x1gb ballistix. before i discovered your bios (tonight), i was running 1.8 modded by murdok and i was unable to get more than 240mhz stable on the ram. this was with testing each stick individually and all sorts of timings/voltages. the ram is definitely more stable in slots 3&4 though.

i'm currently testing 255x9 3-4-4-10-1T = 2.3ghz, but the memory bandwidth isn't all that much better than it was at 240 3-3-3-8, plus i've lost 100mhz on my overclock. at 260 my system just locks up at desktop.

i will probably try tightening the timings at 255 and maybe give it 2.8v (it's at 2.75 now). overall the stability appears to have improved at higher fsb's with your bios, but at the cost of bandwidth. 240mhz with your 1.b tested 200MB/sec lower in sandra than with 1.8, which is probably due to the loosened other timings you implemented.

thanks for taking the time for modding these bioses though, much appreciated! :)

edit: although the fsb was higher stable at a lower cpu multiplier, the lower memory bandwidth made it not worth it. i'm currently testing 240mhz at 2.5-3-3-10 and it seems pretty stable. this is a little jump from the previous, and that's always good. :)

one thing that is REALLY annoying about this and every 1.x series bios is that every time i reboot, my raid just disappears. if i go into the bios it doesn't even show up i have to turn the computer off and then on again, THEN go into the bios and move the raid to the top of the boot priority again. it's really annoying, and adds about 2 minutes to every reboot. it goes along with the sporadic "HAVE OPTION ROM" error in the raid boot. i wish msi would fix these bugs... :(

My ballistix bios is actually faster than the stock 1.B bios. Faster and more stable. The Max async is relaxed which is a slight slowdown but read write que bypass and bypass max are both at faster settings. This equates to about 20mb/s more bandwidth in sisoft and about 20 miliseconds in pifast :p:

You should try some other benchmarks like super pi, pifast everest memory test etc. The 1.B may be slower than 1.8 bios at raw bandwidth "in a synthetic test" like sandra but in real world performance its about the same clock for clock.

Some of the multipliers are also faster than others different multipliers to the 1.8. If you can get your memory into a 12x multiplier using the dividers it is a fast multiplier on the 1.B bios.

Try 270 x 9 with a 183 divider see what thats like. = 2430mhz cpu and 243 mhz ram.

Edit - you cant really compare 3-3-3 vs 3-4-4. Athlon 64 loves lower trp and trcd so even with your mhz increase thats why it wasnt much faster. Try keeping timings of 3-3-3 and see how much more you can get over 1.8.

if im using hte ocz golds (bh-5) should i use the 1.b std mod or the ballistix?

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Some of the multipliers are also faster than others different multipliers to the 1.8. If you can get your memory into a 12x multiplier using the dividers it is a fast multiplier on the 1.B bios.

Try 270 x 9 with a 183 divider see what thats like. = 2430mhz cpu and 243 mhz ram.

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tried the 270 x 8 with 183 divider and it wouldn't even post. had to reset the cmos with the jumper. is it possible that it's because i have stock passive cooling on the north bridge?

regardless, i'm pretty satisfied with my performance at 2.5-3-3-9 240mhz. it can definitely hold me over until i upgrade to whatever amd platform comes out next (assuming it supports ddr)

hey sniggle u might have to give that ram some volts



http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/Tracer4000/2

thanks guys.....ya it must be the CPU i played with different bioses and reseated it n same thing. it seems that the cpu is crappy cant even do 2500 and since either not enough voltage and when i give it it runs to 60c and over on load, ill probably just get a 3200.

sideeffect ya i know about maxt and mine is 57c so it should have been a bit better since most are up to 55 and some over 59

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Originally Posted by msimax

hey sniggle u might have to give that ram some volts
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/Tracer4000/2

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LOL that article is so funny. I have tried 4 sets of ballistix ram and none of them have ever got anywhere near the reults hes mentioned. 270 MHz 2.5-3-3-5 2.8V i very much doupt it.

He either had some A grade crucial review samples directly from crucial. Or TCCD with Ballistix heatspreaders on :p:

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

LOL that article is so funny. I have tried 4 sets of ballistix ram and none of them have ever got anywhere near the reults hes mentioned. 270 MHz 2.5-3-3-5 2.8V i very much doupt it.

He either had some A grade crucial review samples directly from crucial. Or TCCD with Ballistix heatspreaders on :p:

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Very good results, but a motherboard with Vdimm up to 3.1V is required to see the sweet spot of these modules

Nah i also tried them on a lanparty that had vdimm up to 3.3 volts they hate voltage.

Hey people, I have a suggestion, why not showing in the first page the average HTT that this board can achive? I mean, the thread is huge, its hard to find out what to expect about the highest HTT it can handle. I'm thinking that something around 300mhz is a normal result for most boards, but not completely sure!

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Originally Posted by fscussel

Hey people, I have a suggestion, why not showing in the first page the average HTT that this board can achive? I mean, the thread is huge, its hard to find out what to expect about the highest HTT it can handle. I'm thinking that something around 300mhz is a normal result for most boards, but not completely sure!

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I tried 360 for a couple of hours of gaming, no problem, 370 was no go...
24/7 use is 9x312 here :)

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Originally Posted by Garrett

I tried 360 for a couple of hours of gaming, no problem, 370 was no go...
24/7 use is 9x312 here :)

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Ok, but that's one board, what I would like to know is for someone who have read the whole thread and/or perhaps has the board for a long time and have been reading a lot about it everyday what is a good HTT value to expect it to achive?

It's in my sig.

The boards seem to do a lot of HTT but not so well in 1:1. You would be lucky if you can get 300 1:1.

People with tccd seem to get about 270 - 290 quite regularly though. So its almost impossible to say. It depends on what memory you have and if the cpu you have has a good memory controller which a lot dont.

And then if your lucky enough to have a good motherboard. If you just talking about HTT and not memory speed most seem to go quite high to like 330 or 340.

depending on bios ver, mine booted up to 380htt