Great app. TY unclewebb...
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Great app. TY unclewebb...
To unclewebb:
First thank you for this great and wonderful program. Now the question: What do you think about a QX6800 TJMAX stepping B3? Is it 85c or 100c as many say? Coretemp reports temps 20c higher than realtemp.
Realtemp 2.90 says my qx6800 idles at 55/53c for all cores at an ambient temperature of 22.5c. When i play games like call of duty world at war; after half and hour realtemp shows "log" in thermal status. I have a good aftermarket heatsink...a 2pcom 92mm heatsink with htc (heatpipes direct touch). Also i'm using zalman stg1 thermal grease. What's wrong with my temps? My motherboard is an Intel Bad Axe 2; i have read this motherboard reports temp 20c higher than normal. Is it true? I believed dts sensor are indipendent from bios readings.
Thank you! :)
You have a problem with your heatsink, DTS readings don't lie. At least not then they're close to throttle point.
This is your cooler? If yes take a look at your push-pins, maybe one/two were out.
IMO HDT (and with 4 pipes instead of 3) on an 130W Quad is not a very good cooling solution.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
Just a few minor tweaks. The CPU Load has been adjusted to reduce rounding errors. The XS Bench got changed slightly. The score should be the same but the time will be slightly different.
Venturer: I think RealTemp defaults to TjMax = 90C for a QX6800 - B3.
There will be endless arguments about "What is TJMax" because TJMax is not a fixed value. It varies by a few degrees and Intel has not told the user community how much variation there is. 90C might work well for your QX6800 and 95C might be more accurate for your neighbor's QX6800.
Post a screen shot of a CPU Cool Down Test if you can along with the main RealTemp window.
TJMax isn't that important. What is important is the LOG showing up in RealTemp. That means that your processor has been thermal throttling and that means it was slowing down during your game because it was getting too hot.
Post a CPU-Z screen shot as well. Your core voltage might be too high.
The B3 Quads have a reputation for hitting the thermal throttle fairly easily. That's why Intel raised TJMax for the G0 series.
burebista's theory of a loose heatsink is very likely.
Unclewebb can you have a look at this plz :
TEMP/VID ANOMALY AFTER BIOS REFLASH
First of all, thanks for your advices guys! :)
Here we go; here's the screenshot.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4...ginexm6.th.jpg
So....
i have lowered the multiplier to 8x for a 2133mhz max working speed, because i'm very scared of blowing all. At 2.93ghz full qx6800 speed it reaches 90c but the system stays on....
@burebista
yes my heatsink belong to this brand but is the smaller one model; the one with 92mm fan and not 120mm fan you linked; they are absolutely the same apart the dimensions....
I have a silentmaxx ST-11 big tower case and unluckly i can't mount tower heatsinks bigger than ones with 92mm fan; 120mm fan tower heatsinks are too tall for my case.
Burebista in your opinion what is the best cooler for my case and my CPU (brand and model please)? I remember you i can mount 120mm fan cooler that mounts "flat orizontally"....or obviously tower heatsinks with max 92mm fan.
Thank you soooo much guys! :)
Edit: Another important note - Temperature grows up very much when i play games because i have a crossfire ATI 3870x2 + 3870 configuration. I think during games the case air temp is much hotter than when i run prime95 because of the gPUs at full speed......i'm still talking about the qx6800 setted at 2133mhz.
Leeghoofd: I posted an answer on the other thread you started. I don't have much for a reasonable explanation of what you're seeing.
Venturer: I'll have a better look at your numbers tomorrow. Duty calls. ;)
Sensor movement looks OK, CPU Coold Down test looks OK, so you don't have stuck sensors.
Not OK are temps. Vcore is reasonable but distance to TJMax in full-load is too close to throttle point (at least for my taste).
First try to reseat your cooler. I'm almost sure that one/two push-pins were loose or you put too much Zalman grease (here are some pictures with HDT spreading grease technique). Even an HDT cooler should keep your Quad colder in full-load at stock speeds/voltage.
As for a new cooler TR SI-128 SE or TR Ultima 90. Both are mounting with backplate. Another choice Scythe Andy Samurai Master and Stabilizer 775. My idea is to get rid off those push-pins.
BTW that's why I somehow dislike HDT heatsinks with 4 pipes
Attachment 90682
That photo is from Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer. He managed to keep a Q6600 @3.7 GHz VCore 1.520V at 78°C in prime95 small FTTs. As you see 2 heatpipes barely make contact with IHS.
LE: Frankly for your setup I strongly suggest a new case with decent space and airflow.
Here is the cooldown test with the case lateral cover open:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5...own2ij2.th.jpg
Notice the lowest temperature is 34celsius.
burbeista so do you think is an heatsink problem or a case airflow problem?
I would buy a Ultima 90 cooler but do you think there will be an improvement with case closed?
Thank you!
It's obvious that it's a big improvement with case open. You gain 18°C. :shocked:
Can you post a photo with your setup? I want to see what's happening there. Now it looks like an airflow problem.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/781/junksc1.png
Your cool down results look very unusual. My first question is how much stuff do you have running in the background on your computer when you're testing?
If you go back a page, here's an example:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2808
After Prime95 is finished running, his computer is showing 0.2% for Load which is typical while yours is showing 7.6%. I also can't understand what's going on at full load. Normally the load steps down significantly after a couple of steps while yours is still running at close to 100%. The third step should be somewhere around 77% while yours is at 97.8%.
Your sensors seem similar to randomizer where maybe they read high from idle to TJMax. To start trying to figure out what's going on, open Task Manager and find out what's running, open your case to get the heat out of it. Laying your computer on its side so the hot air from you graphics cards can go up isn't such a bad idea. What's your room temperature? How much thermal paste do you use and what's your method of applying it? I think you have a combination of problems so you're going to have to look at some of the basics first.
Edit: In your second test your computer is showing 9.6% load when it should be idle. Kill some processes that are causing this.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6...0384kn2.th.jpg
Here's the photo of my case open; notice the back of the case is near the wall of my bedroom under my private desk.
And here is the screenshot of the active system processes.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4...ssesyq0.th.jpg
So what's my problem? Should i change the heatsink?
Thank you sooo much again guys! :)
Just for a quick laugh, I found this on another forum:
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...ER22/temps.jpg
Distance to Tj Max is (supposedly) 121 on air and PROCHOT still got set off! :rofl:
It's true. What happens with the Distance to TJ Max data is that it is stored in a 7 bit variable which gives it a range from 0 to 127.Quote:
Originally Posted by randomizer
As the CPU core temperature increases the Distance to TJMax decreases to zero. If it gets hotter than this then the data wraps around and starts counting down again from 127.
The version of RealTemp in the screen shot was using TJMax = 95C so it looks like this:
Distance - Tempeature
2 - 93C
1 - 94C
0 - 95C
127 - 96C
126 - 97C
125 - 98C
124 - 99C
123 - 100C
122 - 101C
121 - 102C
120 - 103C
119 - 104C
118 - 105C
I've always been pretty proud of RealTemp for being the only program to realize that the data wraps around and is still quite usable. Looks like another loose heatsink to me.
Most software uses the standard formula:
Reported Temperature = TJMax - DTS
When the DTS data wraps around and goes to 127 they use the same formula and start reporting negative numbers. I'd rather see the correct temperature than -42C. The CPU in the picture is thermal throttling which is what you'd expect to be going on at these temperatures.
Venturer: You have to trim some fat when trying to do some meaningful testing. That huge list of processes only represents half of what's going on. 129 processes running is too many. Task Manager shows 7% CPU usage and in your listed tasks it only shows 2% so whoever else is logged on to your computer is contributing the other 5%.
There is no way you can get your computer to idle down if there is that many tasks running on it. There's file sharing programs running in the background and you could have other users downloading from your computer during your tests.
Edit: Here's a first class program for turning off start up items while testing or permanently:
Autoruns
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx
Damn, so it's not actually that funny after all. Good to know that then. Well that's what happens when you don't install that heatsink right and try running prime95 :)
129 processes? :shocked:
Man that's too many of them.
As for your case setup from picture looks OK, one intake and two exhausts. Looks like those are 80 mm fans. At what RPM's they're spinning?
IMO your problems came from those stoves: both GPU's and your CPU. And those HDD's "helps" heating up. Your case is narrow and bottom compartment is sealed from upper compartment. Beside that upper chamber looks too large and inefficient (you have PSU there and optical units, they don't need so much space).
For example this is my setup in P182. IMO it's better segmental.
Attachment 90741
In your case I guess is too much heat which remain trapped in bottom chamber.
Those 2 exhaust fans blows warm/hot air with case closed?
Did you touch your heatsink? At 75°C it should burn your fingers.
Hi to all
This test is a normal?
Yes it's normal if I'm looking at Sensor Movement Test and CPU Cool Down Test but no it's not normal when I see your load distance to TJMax.
What is your heatsink? Your case? Your ambient temperature?
CPU - Titan Socket 775/S754/S939/AM2/AM2+ (TTC-NK35TZ/PW) 100x100
case - Aerocool Extreme Engine 3T
ambient t - 46-51 C
I wish to install water cooling
First of all that Titan cooler is not suited for a Quad at 3.8GHz.
Second, take a look at your push-pins maybe they're not well secured.
Third, touch your heatsink at 100°C it should burn your finger. Literally.
Your case has a lot of airflow so I suspect a bad mount or an impotent cooler for your quad frequency/voltage.
Thank's.
Yes those 2 fans spins both at 1500rpm. I tried to touch the heatsink at full load and it is absolutlely WARM....not hot. I tried to reseat the heatsink and checked push pins many times.......changed the thermal grease from artic cooling mx2 to zalman stg1.Quote:
Originally Posted by burebista
I also tried another cooler.........Artic cooling Frezeer 7 Pro......temps remained the same and also this cooler is warm at touch at full speed!
to unclewebb: Is possible dts sensors are reading wrong? Does it depends to bios? I repeat many users states my motherboard reads temperatures 20c higher than real......but do this is related to dts sensor or cpu case sensor?
Once again unclewebb
Thanks for this great application :clap:
Each time a new version comes out it improves no end, I'm impressed with the FSB and multiplier display.
Anyway I ran the sensor test (uncalibrated) on my QX9650 in Windows XP using the Small FFT's prime setting.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8...temp290qh4.png
Winning Lottery Number Generator? :confused:
Or have intel really put in 2 Core2 Duals with different TjMax?
John
Hi all.
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0587/3800stress.jpg
Which one i should believe?
2.90 because a lot of changes from 2.70 to 2.90 had been done also corrected Tj.Max temperatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhairava