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why are f8 beta bios from gigabyte Ds3 not working on gigabyte Dq6 ?? so different card ?

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Originally Posted by PytonOrm

why are f8 beta bios from gigabyte Ds3 not working on gigabyte Dq6 ?? so different card ?

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P965 vs 975X, isn't that different enough?

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Originally Posted by saboya

P965 vs 975X, isn't that different enough?

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Dq6 isnt a 975 chipset, its a 965, with a ICH8R southbridge, and 2 pcie slots

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Originally Posted by MadMikeSS

I switched to an E6400 and am now doing 490x7 1:1 with my RAM.

- still using F8i bios for DS3 on my S3.

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Since you're using the F8i BIOS I'd bet the settings are basically the same. Could you make the necessary changes that you used to obtain 490FSB with your E6400 to the settings that I added below? I made a few guesses but I haven't a clue about the voltages.

CPU Clock Ratio:.................... 7x
CPU Host Clock Control:.......... Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz):..... 490
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz):. Auto
System Memory Multiplier:...... 2.00
Memory Frequency (Mhz):....... 980
DRAM Timing Selectable:........ Auto or Manual
CAS Latency Time:................. Auto or 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay:... Auto or 6
DRAM RAS# Precharge:.......... Auto or 6
Precharge delay (rRAS):......... Auto or 15
ACT to ACT Delay:.................. Auto
Rank Write TO READ Delay:..... Auto
Write to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay:............. 0
Read to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Memory Performance Enhance: Normal
System Voltage Control:......... Auto or Manual
DIMM OverVoltage Control:..... Normal or ?+0.5V
PCI-E OverVoltage Control:..... Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control:.. Normal or ?+0.2V
FSB OverVoltage Control:....... Normal or ?+0.2V
CPU Voltage Control:.............. Normal or ?1.5000

I currently stuck on 420x8. Thanks;)

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Originally Posted by PytonOrm

why are f8 beta bios from gigabyte Ds3 not working on gigabyte Dq6 ?? so different card ?

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Becaus the BIOS ID are different... And why's it different.. cos DQ6 and DS3 hardware features & components are different..

therefore they both can't share the same BIOS like DS3 & S3 .. actually.. it's not recomment to use DS3 bios on S3 board.. just in case if you are sending back for repair.. it might confuse those engineers

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Originally Posted by msgclb

Since you're using the F8i BIOS I'd bet the settings are basically the same. Could you make the necessary changes that you used to obtain 490FSB with your E6400 to the settings that I added below? I made a few guesses but I haven't a clue about the voltages.

CPU Clock Ratio:.................... 7x
CPU Host Clock Control:.......... Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz):..... 490
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz):. Auto
System Memory Multiplier:...... 2.00
Memory Frequency (Mhz):....... 980
DRAM Timing Selectable:........ Manual
CAS Latency Time:................. 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay:... 6
DRAM RAS# Precharge:.......... 6
Precharge delay (rRAS):......... 15
ACT to ACT Delay:.................. Auto
Rank Write TO READ Delay:..... Auto
Write to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay:............. 0
Read to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Memory Performance Enhance: Normal
System Voltage Control:......... Auto
DIMM OverVoltage Control:..... +[0.3v] <-- however with auto it might have chosen a different voltage.
PCI-E OverVoltage Control:..... Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control:.. Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control:....... Normal
CPU Voltage Control:.............. Normal

I currently stuck on 420x8. Thanks;)

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Originally Posted by MadMikeSS

Turns out that all this time my issues were processor related. For some reason my E6300 was hitting a wall at 450FSB. I switched to an E6400 and am now doing 490x7 1:1 with my RAM. It struck me a little odd that my cpu would hit a dead wall like, usually you get a point of gradual vcore increase until you hit the wall, but this was basically stock volts and then dead wall. I guess that's why I didn't figure it to be the processor. Anyway, looks like my 450fsb issues are resolved - still using F8i bios for DS3 on my S3.

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<rant>
I've been trying to tell people this for a while. Everyone is quick to jump on the D9 bandwagon / blame the mobo / ram, etc. Its just some Core2's die around 2.9-3.1Ghz. Too many people are running around quoting things like "All week xx can do x.xGhz." etc... when its bullsh1t. Or "Asus P5B-E's hit 500Mhz easily"... they might hit it more reliably (often) than many other boards, but still not all boards are created equal and there are going to be many that get stuck below 500Mhz.
<end rant>

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Originally Posted by msgclb

Since you're using the F8i BIOS I'd bet the settings are basically the same. Could you make the necessary changes that you used to obtain 490FSB with your E6400 to the settings that I added below? I made a few guesses but I haven't a clue about the voltages.

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I've tested my system at
9x333, 8x375, & 7x430 (all = 3Ghz)
I got quite a bit more bandwidth (sisoft memory benchmark) at the higher FSB's, but almost all of the other benchmarks were very close and some were faster at 333FSB. So I've left it there!

IF you reach 490FSB, test both setting and see the difference. Higher FSB with lower multiplier doesn't always equal better performance. It might have to do with the NB strap or that I'm at a natural/stock FSB (- more optimized). Ex's: 266/333/400

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Originally Posted by MadMikeSS

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Thanks. Do you believe your eyes or do you believe the truth?

Attachment 53073Attachment 53072
You'll notice that both Orthos and Core Temp think that I'm at 3600MHz (514x7). The truth is below:

Attachment 53074

I couldn't get 490FSB to work no matter what settings I would try.
I finally dropped down to 450FSB and the settings below.
This was stable for 30 minutes of Orthos.

CPU Clock Ratio:.................... 7x
CPU Host Clock Control:.......... Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz):..... 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz):. Auto
System Memory Multiplier:...... 2.00
Memory Frequency (Mhz):....... 900
DRAM Timing Selectable:........ Manual
CAS Latency Time:................. 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay:... 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge:.......... 5
Precharge delay (rRAS):......... 15
ACT to ACT Delay:.................. Auto
Rank Write TO READ Delay:..... Auto
Write to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay:............. 0
Read to Precharge Delay:........ Auto
Memory Performance Enhance: Normal
System Voltage Control:......... Manual
DIMM OverVoltage Control:..... +0.4V
PCI-E OverVoltage Control:..... Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control:.. +0.2V
FSB OverVoltage Control:....... +0.2V
CPU Voltage Control:.............. 1.5000

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Originally Posted by msgclb

Thanks. Do you believe your eyes or do you believe the truth?

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With my current setup of 490x7 Orthos thinks I'm running 3.9ghz - I think lowering the multi on the 6400 confuses Orthos and some other programs. cpuz at least shows correctly. Your 6400 might be suffering from the same 450fsb limit that my 6300 suffered from. Which is interesting because it would prime for an hour and 1/2 before failing at 450x7. Wouldn't do anything higher than that. Could be your cpu is limiting you like it was me.

Just bumped it up to 500x7, same bios settings:

http://www.thepengellys.com/stuff/e6400-500x7.jpg

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Originally Posted by chrisf6969

<rant>
I've been trying to tell people this for a while. Everyone is quick to jump on the D9 bandwagon / blame the mobo / ram, etc. Its just some Core2's die around 2.9-3.1Ghz. Too many people are running around quoting things like "All week xx can do x.xGhz." etc... when its bullsh1t. Or "Asus P5B-E's hit 500Mhz easily"... they might hit it more reliably (often) than many other boards, but still not all boards are created equal and there are going to be many that get stuck below 500Mhz.
<end rant>

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I can understand what you are saying, but I was also thrown off when I tried running my ram at higher FSB while running the cpu at lower multi ie: 500x6 3.0ghz to see if my ram would run DDR2-1000 and it didn't boot, while 450x7 3.15ghz was fairly stable. 460x6 2.76ghz also would not even boot for me. But again, 400x7 2.8ghz was prime stable. I see where you are coming from and it is definitely true. But there are other circumstances here. I believe after seeing my own results that it's not the actual core clock that's a limit on some cpus but the FSB. Some just won't go beyond 450. My e6300 was tested on a P5B-E and hit the same exact wall that I hit with my S3. The P5B-E has been running with another 6300 at around 3.6ghz stable.

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Originally Posted by MadMikeSS

Could be your cpu is limiting you like it was me.

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I'm taking donations for a X6800.:D

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Originally Posted by msgclb

I'm taking donations for a X6800.:D

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Haha, dream on. :stick: :p:

Update:

For the haters out there who are raggin on us folks that bought so called cheap motherboards. Now that my cpu has been eliminated as the limiter for my overclock, I did some testing to see where the range was on my ram. I am memtest stable up to 520, 525 was freezing memtest. With this F8i bios I am quite happy. I don't really want to push my vdimm too high since this ram is only warranteed to 2.2v, I tried up to 2.4v but didn't make a difference at 525. I was pretty sure this memory that I'm using was a D9 variant. If it is then I guess I'm getting past the resistor problem.

I don't believe the truth cause you are running at 67c! That is way to hot for overclocking.

I would not run that underload 24/7 without serious CPU problems in near future..

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Originally Posted by MadMikeSS

With my current setup of 490x7 Orthos thinks I'm running 3.9ghz - I think lowering the multi on the 6400 confuses Orthos and some other programs. cpuz at least shows correctly. Your 6400 might be suffering from the same 450fsb limit that my 6300 suffered from. Which is interesting because it would prime for an hour and 1/2 before failing at 450x7. Wouldn't do anything higher than that. Could be your cpu is limiting you like it was me.

Just bumped it up to 500x7, same bios settings:

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Showed the same thing on my board, Asus P5B-E. It's something with the E6400 and Orthos just not picking the clock speed up properly.

just wanted to get back with you gentlemen after my jump to the dark side.

the eVGA is the wackiest i have seen yet.
huge holes in the FSB worse than what people have reported.

but i am able to run my gskills @ 1111mhz 5-5-5-15 w/ 2.15v but only if i use the 3:2 divider
so im happy about that although would have liked to of seen 4-4-4 or 4-5-4 or 4-4-5 but oh well.
and increasing the vdimm actually causes the system to not boot,, totally weird.

i can run 4ghz on the eVGA but its wierd.

i miss my DS3 this board IS slower, it IS, but not by alot, but it is slower., even with the ram running 1111mhz ,,, its slower than the DS3 at much much less ram speed.

the the guy who bought my DS3 you better cherrish that beast, its a rare DS3.

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i miss my DS3 this board IS slower, it IS, but not by alot, but it is slower., even with the ram running 1111mhz ,,, its slower than the DS3 at much much less ram speed.

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Thats why I asked earleir

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Originally Posted by LvR

Newbie poster and longtime lurker here.................

Interested to see actual memory bandwidth figures from you guys chasing higher/better overclocks than what I do (see signature)

I am interested in a stable and reliable overclock while still having a relatively large cooling reserve for those days (just about everyday here) when we hit 34C ambient.

Bit of experimenting resulted in what I run now as being the happy stable/cool/reliable medium with Orthos, Pi, Sandra etc etc etc all OK

Only thing still puzzling me is memory bandwidth - with the pleb stuff I run, what am I missing in real life when compared to some of you guys running on prime sticks ? ................... Sandra 2007 SP1 scores memory bandwidth at 6280/6260 currently ................ anybody else with prime sticks able to post a memory bandwidth figure off Sandra 2007 SP1 or any other readily available bench? (Sandra CPU Arithmetic bench gets me 30240/21030 fwiw)

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You able to post comparative memory bandwidth figures for eg Sandra or any other such util ?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7...rthos2hgo4.jpg

965pds3.f5 BIOS! :spill:

Why do people hate this mobo ( S3/DS3 )? Is this CPU temp dangerous in the long run? :stick:

That temp is ok, mine runs 60-62c underload. I would not go higher than that though.

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Originally Posted by markopoleo

That temp is ok, mine runs 60-62c underload. I would not go higher than that though.

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Cheers!

I'll reduce my clock now to 3.4GHz @ 1.375V because it's a bit silly having a high rpm fan on max ( slapped on a Big Typhoon cooler )! :slapass:

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Originally Posted by OnLine

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7...rthos2hgo4.jpg

965pds3.f5 BIOS! :spill:

Why do people hate this mobo ( S3/DS3 )? Is this CPU temp dangerous in the long run? :stick:

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what ram do you have ? and is it 2gb or 1gb (2x 512)

( CPU-Z #2 in ss says 2048MBytes )

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6...rsary08wc4.jpg

Crucial DDR2 Tenth Anniversary PC5300, 2048MB Kit w/two matched DDR2 667MHz.

It's an S3 board, chipset Rev.C2. Vdimm= 2.2V. V(g)mch=+0.2V.
I've read Micron D9 memory should hit 1100MHz easily with some laxed timings, but this board has Micron D9 issues so I guess I'm happy with this.

:)

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Originally Posted by Lestat

what ram do you have ? and is it 2gb or 1gb (2x 512)

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2GB in the screenshot.




BTW, I just installed F7, and right now I'm running SuperPI 32MB at 480Mhz with Fatbody D9. I was hitting a 450Mhz wall with the F6 bios, so we'll see if hit a wall now.

I wasnt here for several days any newer BIOS for DS4 after F7b?

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Originally Posted by saboya

P965 vs 975X, isn't that different enough?

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:clap: :nono: :lol:
DS3 AND DS4 are p965.clear enough?:D;)
Any better work with bios V f7 on dq6?