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09-08-2009, 12:41 PM
flopper

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Originally Posted by Dainas

if theres one thing I've learned about the ATI only crowd, its hope springs eternal. Always hoping to have a product that smashes nvidia the way the 9700pro did and then dancing like little school girls just because it competes.

ati has owned Nvidia in all the games I played since 99.
But I play mostly MMOg without stuttering issues using ati cards but that is just me.
09-08-2009, 12:57 PM
Particle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dainas

if theres one thing I've learned about the ATI only crowd, its hope springs eternal. Always hoping to have a product that smashes nvidia the way the 9700pro did and then dancing like little school girls just because it competes.

Realistically, I think you've got this backward. There is a lot of room for people who strongly prefer ATI hardware without diving into descriptions of delusional fanaticism. The truth is, ATI hardware is generally in the same ballpark. It would have to smash nVidia performance by an absolutely insane margin before many people would consider it on an equal footing. We see the same thing happen between the parties debating the merits of AMD and Intel processors.

When it comes to changing established perceptions, equality just isn't enough.

Some people don't seem bothered by this problem and recognize ATI for what it is. It's a competitive hardware house who during this last generation provided a much better bargain. I see no evil in that.
09-08-2009, 01:06 PM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

ati has owned Nvidia in all the games I played since 99.
But I play mostly MMOg without stuttering issues using ati cards but that is just me.

lol, that's all I can say to that.
09-08-2009, 01:20 PM
spursindonesia

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Originally Posted by Particle

Realistically, I think you've got this backward. There is a lot of room for people who strongly prefer ATI hardware without diving into descriptions of delusional fanaticism. The truth is, ATI hardware is generally in the same ballpark. It would have to smash nVidia performance by an absolutely insane margin before many people would consider it on an equal footing. We see the same thing happen between the parties debating the merits of AMD and Intel processors.

When it comes to changing established perceptions, equality just isn't enough.

Some people don't seem bothered by this problem and recognize ATI for what it is. It's a competitive hardware house who during this last generation provided a much better bargain. I see no evil in that.

TRUE THAT, +1. :yepp:
09-08-2009, 01:50 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

nvidia, ati, i dont care, someone give me some new damn hardware, im sick of 4800 and gtx 200 series cards!!!!!!!!!!!!! first one out the gate has me as a customer!
09-08-2009, 01:58 PM
Sly Fox

Let's just all agree that the 5800 Ultra was the most obnoxious card ever and move on with our lives. :rofl: :up:
09-08-2009, 02:02 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Let's just all agree that the 5800 Ultra was the most obnoxious card ever and move on with our lives. :rofl: :up:

I had a 5950Ultra :shakes:

Ati's version is the 2900XT, i think the 2900 is the worst video card of all time, the fact the ATI was so desperate and released it knowing it was garbage is even worse.
09-08-2009, 02:02 PM
Origin_Unknown

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Originally Posted by Rhys

What???
From my understanding the current gen competes pretty darn well?
Guess you must be in the Nvidea only crowd who cries like little schoolgirls when ATI/AMD competes.

or refuses to beleive anything ATI rumour related, no matter how realistic but when a rumour of nvidia having a card that has 4ghz gpu, 12ghz shader and 10000000ghz ddr188 ram and pulling 0.0001w at full load they beleive it instantly with the line "zomg this will send ati to the grave" etc etc
09-08-2009, 02:09 PM
JohnZS

Speaking as an nVidia fanboy, I think that ATi are going to release not only competitive cards this time around, but cards which in a fair few titles (arguably AAA Titles) ATi will have the performance Crown (and this is without even considering their MultiGPU Solution...which is bound to be epic).
My reason for this prediction is that for years ever since the ATi Radeon 8500 ATi has dabbled with Hardware Tessellation Technology...it's not until now that it really is going to take off, I think ATi's hard work and effort in this area will pay off in dividends.
The only area I can see nVidia beating ATi would be in games that use Hardware Physics (DirectX Compute, Physx, OpenCL et al ), this I can see being ATi's only flaw as nVidia have the edge here and have been making positive noises, ATi on the other hand have decided to wrap OpenCL to their AMD processor division....does make you wonder whether the ATi GPU's do not excel here.
I am looking forward to seeing the reviews... who knows I might even decide NOT to get a GT300, but instead go for a Radeon 5870!
John
09-08-2009, 03:00 PM
Particle

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

I had a 5950Ultra :shakes:

Ati's version is the 2900XT, i think the 2900 is the worst video card of all time, the fact the ATI was so desperate and released it knowing it was garbage is even worse.

That's not quite fair. The 2900 is kind of the Vista of GPUs. It has a rep for being this big, awful "thing" when in reality it works fine. It wasn't a screamer, but it provided good performance. A Radeon 2900 Pro 1GB carried me through Crysis alright.
09-08-2009, 03:02 PM
Gautam

I'm watching.

:para:
09-08-2009, 03:03 PM
spursindonesia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhys

What???
From my understanding the current gen competes pretty darn well?
Guess you must be in the Nvidea only crowd who cries like little schoolgirls when ATI/AMD competes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

or refuses to beleive anything ATI rumour related, no matter how realistic but when a rumour of nvidia having a card that has 4ghz gpu, 12ghz shader and 10000000ghz ddr188 ram and pulling 0.0001w at full load they beleive it instantly with the line "zomg this will send ati to the grave" etc etc

VERY TRUE, totally agreed. :up:
09-08-2009, 03:11 PM
Sadasius

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

I had a 5950Ultra :shakes:

You have to be joking. I loved my 5950 Ultra in it's day. Damn thing lasted a long time before going "poof" too!

I am on the edge of my damn seat to see these new cards. I can't sleep anymore! :slobber:
09-08-2009, 03:16 PM
jaredpace

woot there it is: :rofl:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3506/...64ff9eb1_o.jpg

btw, new rumor is:

Quote:

pretty high on the P Vantage.
4x5870 = 60k
1x5870 = 21k with the cpu running at default.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=2326
I think this is a 3d06 score, to be honest ;)
09-08-2009, 03:50 PM
eric66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dainas

if theres one thing I've learned about the ATI only crowd, its hope springs eternal. Always hoping to have a product that smashes nvidia the way the 9700pro did and then dancing like little school girls just because it competes.

lol nvidia bot how about x1900 series top notch performance with superior iq and 'hdr and aa at the same time' lol did it remind u smthng go and bs elsewhere except r600 series there wasn't that much difference between ati and nvidia since 9000 series
09-08-2009, 04:00 PM
Hell Hound

That thing looks huge.:shocked:
09-08-2009, 04:02 PM
gamervivek

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

Speaking as an nVidia fanboy, I think that ATi are going to release not only competitive cards this time around, but cards which in a fair few titles (arguably AAA Titles) ATi will have the performance Crown (and this is without even considering their MultiGPU Solution...which is bound to be epic).
My reason for this prediction is that for years ever since the ATi Radeon 8500 ATi has dabbled with Hardware Tessellation Technology...it's not until now that it really is going to take off, I think ATi's hard work and effort in this area will pay off in dividends.
The only area I can see nVidia beating ATi would be in games that use Hardware Physics (DirectX Compute, Physx, OpenCL et al ), this I can see being ATi's only flaw as nVidia have the edge here and have been making positive noises, ATi on the other hand have decided to wrap OpenCL to their AMD processor division....does make you wonder whether the ATi GPU's do not excel here.
I am looking forward to seeing the reviews... who knows I might even decide NOT to get a GT300, but instead go for a Radeon 5870!
John

AMD will release their gpu opencl implementation soon enough,30sep is the date and I believe they are currently working on rv8xx series implementation.
09-08-2009, 04:02 PM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by Hell Hound

That thing looks huge.:shocked:

that's because it's a shoop for teh lulz

not correct scale
09-08-2009, 04:07 PM
Biker

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Originally Posted by Hell Hound

That thing looks huge.:shocked:

That's what she said :rofl:

Seriously though I need more power for single card 1600p gaming so ATI and Nvidia... get them out there already my credit card needs some action! :D
09-08-2009, 04:14 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by eric66

lol nvidia bot how about x1900 series top notch performance with superior iq and 'hdr and aa at the same time' lol did it remind u smthng go and bs elsewhere except r600 series there wasn't that much difference between ati and nvidia since 9000 series

there are many large differences between ati and nvidia, first and formost being their style of building gpus!

there are advantages and disadvantages for owning a card from each brand, it all depends on what you use your rig for and what games you play. these arguements stating "zomg ati pwns nv again!!11!!1!!11!" or visa versa are silly, it's up to each one of us to look at the data and decide where to spend our hard-earned greenbacks. we don't know the specs for either camp, we don't know the performance, we don't know the cost. i'm down for some tin-foil-hat speculation, but these statements about there being ONE AND ONLY ONE good gfx company are useless.
09-08-2009, 04:20 PM
Hell Hound

Their can only be one :D
09-08-2009, 04:53 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

btw, new rumor is:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=2326
I think this is a 3d06 score, to be honest ;)

3D06 doesn't scale like that...
Think about the top scores right now, look at the ORB.
09-08-2009, 05:21 PM
~CS~

Am disappointed , would think they would find hotter girls to present the card , at least ATI marketing department looking in the right direction now .With 2 days left no rumors really matter, we going to know it soon .
09-08-2009, 05:31 PM
Caveman787

Well I hope they stick with the black instead of the read caseing atleast and maybe keep the memory/ vrms full cover heatsink as that was good to re use with better coolers that have 2 fans to keep all parts of the card from getting to toasty.
09-08-2009, 05:34 PM
MTP04

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

3D06 doesn't scale like that...
Think about the top scores right now, look at the ORB.

Its says P vantage.:p:

Where are you guys getting 3D06 from?

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