ATI R700 Preview

my only concern with this card is the heat, and warranty ...

since this card is going to be hot, and i like to keep my comp quiet ... ill prolly get a waterblock

i never RMA ATI cards b4 , will ATI card manufacturers decline ur warranty if they suspect that u take out the cooler/put on waterblock?? i mean does that consider "modified" as they put it on many of their websites? i know that vmod = voids warranty, but what about putting on thermal grease/swapping a better cooler ....

i have put waterblocks on EVGA BFG, XFX cards b4, and due to PSU failure (which happened like 3+months after i put on the wb), cards were dead, and they let me RMA it.

I'm not aware of any ATI board partners that allow aftermarket modification and/or overclocking. You would void your warranty putting anything else on your card. If your worried about warranty your best off waiting to see if a custom 4870x2 comes out that includes the waterblock. I believe EVGA and XFX are the only board partners ( on either side ) that allow both overclocking and modification. As long as they recieve the card back in one piece with no physical damage they still honor their warranties. It would be nice to see some ATI partners do the same.

ahh thanx for clearing that up man

well stock cooler cant be that hot and loud, i guess heh

techreport said that its designed to operate @ 90+C

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Originally Posted by Philip_J_Fry

ahh thanx for clearing that up man

well stock cooler cant be that hot and loud, i guess heh

techreport said that its designed to operate @ 90+C

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Yes, but it wont overclock with those temps, if you plan to do overclocking on the stock cooler, you MUST make the fan spin faster via bios update, and its loud!!!!!!! i can hear it from my living room when i am gaming. hehe but when i wear headphones i dont care for the noise.

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Originally Posted by GAR

Yes, but it wont overclock with those temps, if you plan to do overclocking on the stock cooler, you MUST make the fan spin faster via bios update, and its loud!!!!!!! i can hear it from my living room when i am gaming. hehe but when i wear headphones i dont care for the noise.

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whats with the people around you? :D

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Originally Posted by GAR

if you plan to do overclocking on the stock cooler, you MUST make the fan spin faster via bios update, and its loud!!!!!!!

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If you want the max AND it to stay quiet then don't overclock other than via Overdrive.

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wow 4870s are @ as low as $254 on egg... some GTX 280 are selling as low as $420 .. wow

Asus 4870
POWER COLOR 4870

man i simply cant pull the trigger .. lol i am afraid the the moment i click buy the price is gonna drop :p:

i hope X2 is gonna be @ low $500, or $500

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Unfortunately, it's just another preview.

Well they state Review in the article but Preview in the Article topic, So who knows.

its a review of the preview. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Flinch

Unfortunately, it's just another preview.

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Ah but will this have newer drivers?

I was considering upgrading from my current card, but have since reconsidered. Even with the R700's impressive numbers, I just can't think of a game (that I would play) that requires this kind of horsepower.

What having super powerful graphics cards encourages is poorly optimised engines. When you have the kind of muscle of a GTX280 / 4870 / 4870X2 / 9800GX2, game developers aren't busy thinking "how can we make sure our games look as good, but run twice as fast" because the booming gpu market allows them to be lazy in this regard.

That is to say, we get wonderful looking games that often run far less well than they could. Especially a game like Crysis, for example, that seemingly does not cater to even medium spectrum computers at all.

And what do we need all this horsepower for? All this raw processing capability? A bigger is better philosophy with regard to the relationship between gaming and graphics is, as far as I'm concerned, is a cycle that only serves to trap itself, but enslaves us (the gamers, the consumers) in the process.

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Originally Posted by CedricFP

I was considering upgrading from my current card, but have since reconsidered. Even with the R700's impressive numbers, I just can't think of a game (that I would play) that requires this kind of horsepower.

What having super powerful graphics cards encourages is poorly optimised engines. When you have the kind of muscle of a GTX280 / 4870 / 4870X2 / 9800GX2, game developers aren't busy thinking "how can we make sure our games look as good, but run twice as fast" because the booming gpu market allows them to be lazy in this regard.

That is to say, we get wonderful looking games that often run far less well than they could. Especially a game like Crysis, for example, that seemingly does not cater to even medium spectrum computers at all.

And what do we need all this horsepower for? All this raw processing capability? A bigger is better philosophy with regard to the relationship between gaming and graphics is, as far as I'm concerned, is a cycle that only serves to trap itself, but enslaves us (the gamers, the consumers) in the process.

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Good point. It's pretty satisfying to see that my 3850 256 can run most games (except crysis, bleh) on my computer @ 1440 x 900 with some eye candy. Granted, I'm sort of wishing I went for 512 mg at least, to round things off ..

Didn't they stop making 256MB cards in the late 90's?

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out now!: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...70-x2-preview/

For price 4850 CF is pretty good and dosent lose that much to RV700.
Now I have to wait for 4850X2 :)

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out now!: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...70-x2-preview/

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hmm so 4870cf is faster then 4870X2.

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hmm so 4870cf is faster then 4870X2.

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Not really. In most of the tests it is equal, and there are just as many tests that it loses in by 1-3fps than it wins in. So I'd call them equal for the most part. There is a chance the performance delta may be negative (it may be on average slower), but we're talking about less than 3% delta here, for a card priced at $499, while two 4870s run you $599.

They still have to fix scaling issues in Crysis though X_X Beyond that, almost every other game gets pwned by the X2.

Perkam

in the last page of the review the person said:

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The Verdict

Alright then, time to wrap up this preview. As stated, there where some limitations enforced on this preview, mainly related to the number of benchmarks we can present. In our full review we'll obviously include the entire test-suite. But let me start by saying, all other benchmarks we took, were showing very similar performance. So for me it's simple, if this product launches at a 449-499 USD price level, AMD will have a unadulterated hit in the high-end segment.

Well, this was an interesting test for sure. The one thing each time I stumble into when I do something Crossfire/SLI/X2 related is ask myself the question: should you really be comparing a single GPU based product against a dual GPU based product? Is that even a fair thing to do ? The answer I'm afraid is two-fold. I strongly feel that I have more confidence in a single-GPU based graphics card mainly due to the fact you'll have much less worries to think about. See with Dual-GPU gaming you'll always run into slight irritations; the fact that sometimes a game is not yet supported or working at all in Crossfire. Also there's other stuff to consider, power consumption is doubled up but also .. your graphics solution will all of the sudden will create 2x more heat.

So that's a bit of a culprit there. Looking at it from the other side, if we take a GeForce GTX 280 (as presented in the preview) and compare that directly to bang for buck gaming performance, then the single-GPU solution is being annihilated. So this is a bit like comparing oranges and apples, both nice fruits .. yet very different. See, I tend to believe in the single-GPU based products, but just can't ignore what we tested today, the R700, is an extremely powerful graphics solution that will offer much better gaming performance.

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On highlighted comments, is this reviewer talking out of his/her ass? pure speculation? 2x more heat?

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in the last page of the review the person said:


On highlighted comments, is this reviewer talking out of his/her ass? pure speculation? 2x more heat?

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twice the heat doesn't mean double the temperate. temp != heat

What so hard to understand about a dual gpu producing twice as much heat? His point was once you go for a dual / multi gpu option, the heat produced doubles over a single gpu (eg 4870-4870x2 ) Its a legitment concern I'd say. Not everyone wants to / can deal with the heat these cards put out ( eg case too small, low airflow etc )

Well a lot of that depends on how well the stock cooler dissipates that heat to make temps manageable ;)

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out now!: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...70-x2-preview/

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why did they test with a E8400 @3Ghz only? doesnt make much sense to me to test "the best" graphicscard with a "lowend" cpu.

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why did they test with a E8400 @3Ghz only? doesnt make much sense to me to test "the best" graphicscard with a "lowend" cpu.

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Is another "preview" not a real review.
Maybe they will use a better CPU for the review...