I totally agree, people tend to particiapte more and enjoy the threads that dont involve flaming...
But the nature of this beast topic is hard not to show your true fanboy colors.
6 months from now there will be no arguing.
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Yes they do.
The K8 core is already strong to begin with.The law of diminishing returns is in full force here.
When you already start high , the improvements you make will bring little advantages.
Compare that with the P4 core which was far more fragile ( code quality was vital while the K8 eats just about anything ). Core brought massive improvements over the P4 , the score jumped a lot.Even compared to the K8 , core has a huge number of improvements , in the end it is only 20% better on average.
There are a lot of situations where K8 core+ 1MB L2 will be as fast or faster than K10 core + 512Kb L2 + 2MB L3 , especially where latency counts.In multithreaded apps , this will be more pronounced as the L3 will get trashed by different threads.
Obviously not. When you force your Chief SALES and Marketing officer out, you have a replacement ready to announce at the same time as you announce the departure of the old guy.
When someone quits with short notice, a la Henri, you have to say that his functions (head of sales AND marketing) are "reporting in to the office of the CEO" while you scramble to find the replacement.
we do not really know much about that rig that was benched. only speculations.
but the bad bios argument seems it could be true.
i tell you, once i flashed my mobo with new bios, everything looks good, no errors etc. yet, with exactly the same settings, mem bandwith was whole 2GB less than with older one. sPi went up 5sec. everything was slow. i reflashed the bios twice, same doggy result.
went back to older bios and it was how it should be.
sometimes, especily if you dont have good background, or "base score", you cant tell whether the bios is good or bad one....
Agreed....these fools who insist a BIOS has nothing to do with it need brain transplant. A BIOS can make ALL the difference to a machines performance....and we ALL know this. You'd need to be a complete forehead biter to think otherwise.
Besides....it would be kinda silly to pick PHENOM as a name for a line of cpu's which perform really badly against even older architecture and fail miserably against your direct competitors.
some time ago in an AMD lab
......"Ehhhh hold on guys...this cpu ain't looking too hot now we're approaching completion. I just ran it in CINEBENCH and INTEL's Q6700 scores double!!!! What we gonna do guys?".
"Well (say's one of the other guys in the lab)...we could always just release it anyway insisting it's actually better than INTEL's quads".
"Yeah," says another lab hand, ".........and we can call it PHENOM as in PHENOMINAL since it's soooooo CRAP!" :ROTF: :clap:
god... 10 more days till this crap battle is over...
Xs is an international forum with trusted members from all over.
Would you use this logic to dismiss Victor Wang's findings or Pedro Rocha's or Kinc's?
All people from a "foreign country" as you describe it and all people of impeccable credentials.
I'll be very polite and say that this was a very badly worded statement on your part. Where someone is from isn't a factor to their credibility.
More here,
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42052
Puts mod hat back on:
Yes it is. The intent is to insult and there is the issue.
Rational adults should be able to get together, discuss a subject from all viewpoints without insulting one another.
Someone can come here and post a brilliant thought but if that person calls another a moron,etc in his first sentence then his message is lost.
He's simply lost his credibility in my eyes as he's shown that he doesn't have the ability to disect anothers argument with facts and logic.
At that point it just turns you off to listening to anything that guy has to say.
i see, but it never to late to learn something new. :yepp:
If he means in 3Dmark, that doesn't contradict Coolaner's site's numbers. We have seen that K10 improves over K8 by about 7%. Per Core and Clockspeed.
So how does that compare to a 3.0 GHz Core2 if you consider two eight-cores? We have seen (in cinebench) that Barcelona's disadvatage per clock is less the more processors you count, which is hardly surprising given Hypertransport, integrated memory controller and NUMA. It has been the same way with K8 in both multiplprocessor sockets.
But the Intel Core2 eight-core is a socket 771 system, so no SLI.
So even if the per-core per-clock performance of Barcelona is still lower (which it is, face it), a benchmark involving both multi-processor code and graphics code, with Barcelona using SLI, will easily see K10 beat Core2.
You're right.
The dump I got reveals several problems with the HT link of the CPU. According to the config regs, the CPU HT link width is set to "Link physically not connected".
I don't exactly know if this is possible that the system works in such conditions, however, there's definitely something odd.
Code:Capabilities
HyperTransport Capability
Offset A0h
Revision 3.00
Interface type Host/Secondary
Device number 0
Link 0 frequency 200MHz
HyperTransport Capability
Offset C0h
Revision 3.00
Interface type Host/Secondary
Device number 0
Link 0 frequency 200MHz
HyperTransport Capability
Offset E0h
Revision 3.00
Interface type Host/Secondary
Device number 0
Link 0 frequency 200MHz
@cpuz: Has this any impact on the performance of the k10?
As much as I despise quoting fudzilla, he posted a rumor that another VP will leave AMD:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=2774&Itemid=1