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08-30-2007, 09:22 PM
jmilcher

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Put's on Mod hat:
And how would you feel if I refered to you in that way?
Make your point without the name calling or go elsewhere.
I've said it nice, now I'll say it not nice..Stop the flaming!

I totally agree, people tend to particiapte more and enjoy the threads that dont involve flaming...

But the nature of this beast topic is hard not to show your true fanboy colors.

6 months from now there will be no arguing.
08-30-2007, 09:42 PM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

so you're SUN guy:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8658
:)

Nope , it's just thinking ahead into the future ; it doesn't take a genius to notice the current trends , just look at Intel IDF's presentations about ultra mobile stuff.
08-30-2007, 09:48 PM
savantu

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Originally Posted by jabway

Somehow the massive core improvements amount to a 3-4% increase against K8.:rolleyes:

Doesn't make any sense at all.

Yes they do.

The K8 core is already strong to begin with.The law of diminishing returns is in full force here.

When you already start high , the improvements you make will bring little advantages.

Compare that with the P4 core which was far more fragile ( code quality was vital while the K8 eats just about anything ). Core brought massive improvements over the P4 , the score jumped a lot.Even compared to the K8 , core has a huge number of improvements , in the end it is only 20% better on average.

There are a lot of situations where K8 core+ 1MB L2 will be as fast or faster than K10 core + 512Kb L2 + 2MB L3 , especially where latency counts.In multithreaded apps , this will be more pronounced as the L3 will get trashed by different threads.
08-30-2007, 09:49 PM
biohead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

Put's on Mod hat:
And how would you feel if I refered to you in that way?
Make your point without the name calling or go elsewhere.
I've said it nice, now I'll say it not nice..Stop the flaming!

not trying to fuel a fire here, but calling stupid people stupid isn't flaming, it's just calling them exactly what they are.

[ >> continue ]
08-30-2007, 10:12 PM
adamsleath

ahuk !
http://www.weirdspace.dk/Disney/Graphics/Goofy.jpg
08-30-2007, 10:26 PM
terrace215

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

You don't think he was forced out???

Obviously not. When you force your Chief SALES and Marketing officer out, you have a replacement ready to announce at the same time as you announce the departure of the old guy.

When someone quits with short notice, a la Henri, you have to say that his functions (head of sales AND marketing) are "reporting in to the office of the CEO" while you scramble to find the replacement.
08-30-2007, 11:00 PM
Mad_Man

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

The BIOS argument is a decent one, but typically BIOS code does not interact to produce a computational result... it provides very low level IO code, most of which OSes simply ignore today. Though it could be that there are initializations for various functions that are not occuring correcty and such, but I have never really experienced a BIOS update, even a buggy one, to affect performance that much.

Nonetheless, there is way way too much contradictory information or conjecture. Theo seems to think it is a monster, Hector Ruiz is downplaying the significance, Raul is certain of great performance, AMD has conceded single thread perfomance to Intel in various press statements.... so it is hard to know what to make of this.

we do not really know much about that rig that was benched. only speculations.
but the bad bios argument seems it could be true.

i tell you, once i flashed my mobo with new bios, everything looks good, no errors etc. yet, with exactly the same settings, mem bandwith was whole 2GB less than with older one. sPi went up 5sec. everything was slow. i reflashed the bios twice, same doggy result.
went back to older bios and it was how it should be.

sometimes, especily if you dont have good background, or "base score", you cant tell whether the bios is good or bad one....
08-31-2007, 01:32 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

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Originally Posted by Mad_Man

we do not really know much about that rig that was benched. only speculations.
but the bad bios argument seems it could be true.

i tell you, once i flashed my mobo with new bios, everything looks good, no errors etc. yet, with exactly the same settings, mem bandwith was whole 2GB less than with older one. sPi went up 5sec. everything was slow. i reflashed the bios twice, same doggy result.
went back to older bios and it was how it should be.

sometimes, especily if you dont have good background, or "base score", you cant tell whether the bios is good or bad one....

Agreed....these fools who insist a BIOS has nothing to do with it need brain transplant. A BIOS can make ALL the difference to a machines performance....and we ALL know this. You'd need to be a complete forehead biter to think otherwise.

Besides....it would be kinda silly to pick PHENOM as a name for a line of cpu's which perform really badly against even older architecture and fail miserably against your direct competitors.

some time ago in an AMD lab
......"Ehhhh hold on guys...this cpu ain't looking too hot now we're approaching completion. I just ran it in CINEBENCH and INTEL's Q6700 scores double!!!! What we gonna do guys?".
"Well (say's one of the other guys in the lab)...we could always just release it anyway insisting it's actually better than INTEL's quads".
"Yeah," says another lab hand, ".........and we can call it PHENOM as in PHENOMINAL since it's soooooo CRAP!" :ROTF: :clap:
08-31-2007, 01:46 AM
Hornet331

god... 10 more days till this crap battle is over...
08-31-2007, 01:54 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by EvlUndrWareNome

Lets see a concrete review. A review with pictures and an author. I do not trust pics from a foreign nation across the world.

The only hype or benches I will believe is when it is a true posted review, written up by an author, with pics of the packaging and cpu. I want to know what chipset it is running on as well as memory.

I dont trust a few screen shots from across the globe as a reliable performance benchmark.
Also note these are early opteron K10's not the Phenoms that willl be out later this year, nor the chipset we will run them on, and most likely different ram speeds/timings.

Xs is an international forum with trusted members from all over.
Would you use this logic to dismiss Victor Wang's findings or Pedro Rocha's or Kinc's?
All people from a "foreign country" as you describe it and all people of impeccable credentials.
I'll be very polite and say that this was a very badly worded statement on your part. Where someone is from isn't a factor to their credibility.
08-31-2007, 02:18 AM
Thesavage

More here,
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42052
08-31-2007, 02:28 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by biohead

not trying to fuel a fire here, but calling stupid people stupid isn't flaming, it's just calling them exactly what they are.

[ >> continue ]

Puts mod hat back on:
Yes it is. The intent is to insult and there is the issue.
Rational adults should be able to get together, discuss a subject from all viewpoints without insulting one another.
Someone can come here and post a brilliant thought but if that person calls another a moron,etc in his first sentence then his message is lost.
He's simply lost his credibility in my eyes as he's shown that he doesn't have the ability to disect anothers argument with facts and logic.
At that point it just turns you off to listening to anything that guy has to say.
08-31-2007, 02:39 AM
Theli

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

god... 10 more days till this crap battle is over...

In 10 days, a new shipment of ammunition arrives. :)
08-31-2007, 02:50 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Theli

In 10 days, a new shipment of ammunition arrives. :)

And I will be writing AMD a personal note of thanks so that my poor two typing fingers can have a break!:D
08-31-2007, 02:54 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Movieman

And I will be writing AMD a personal note of thanks so that my poor two typing fingers can have a break!:D

2? :D
08-31-2007, 02:58 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

2? :D

Just 2..My 2 forefingers, thats it..remember, when I went to school the only people that took typing were of the female persuasion and I was in my 40's before PC's were out.
08-31-2007, 03:00 AM
Hornet331

i see, but it never to late to learn something new. :yepp:
08-31-2007, 03:04 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

i see, but it never to late to learn something new. :yepp:

To be honest I don't have the motivation or the need. I can do app 40 words a minute with 2 fingers and that covers my needs..
08-31-2007, 03:52 AM
rozzyroz

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Originally Posted by Movieman

To be honest I don't have the motivation or the need. I can do app 40 words a minute with 2 fingers and that covers my needs..

two finger guy here too, but for different reasons. i have an injury in my right hand that made me lose any dexterity in my middle and ring finger.

i still do ok on my typing though.:up:

edit: but i still misspell words a lot heh
08-31-2007, 03:57 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by rozzyroz

two finger guy here too, but for different reasons. i have an injury in my right hand that made me lose any dexterity in my middle and ring finger.

i still do ok on my typing though.:up:

edit: but i still misspell words a lot heh

Use the built in spell check,"Ispell"..Not perfect but pretty good..
Where you see the ""ABC with a checkmark at top right whewn your posting above the smileys
08-31-2007, 04:21 AM
uOpt

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Originally Posted by informal

Other than breaking NDA,Sood simply said Phenom @ 3ghz is "stone cold killer" and that it is and will be considerably faster than any intel or AMD chip when it is out.

If he means in 3Dmark, that doesn't contradict Coolaner's site's numbers. We have seen that K10 improves over K8 by about 7%. Per Core and Clockspeed.

So how does that compare to a 3.0 GHz Core2 if you consider two eight-cores? We have seen (in cinebench) that Barcelona's disadvatage per clock is less the more processors you count, which is hardly surprising given Hypertransport, integrated memory controller and NUMA. It has been the same way with K8 in both multiplprocessor sockets.

But the Intel Core2 eight-core is a socket 771 system, so no SLI.

So even if the per-core per-clock performance of Barcelona is still lower (which it is, face it), a benchmark involving both multi-processor code and graphics code, with Barcelona using SLI, will easily see K10 beat Core2.
08-31-2007, 04:22 AM
cpuz

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Originally Posted by Mad_Man

i was talking about this:
cpuz 1.41 should be barcelona compatible, if i can call it that.
so cpu-z should show bus speed as 200mhz, and HT link 1000mhz for stock system??

You're right.
The dump I got reveals several problems with the HT link of the CPU. According to the config regs, the CPU HT link width is set to "Link physically not connected".
I don't exactly know if this is possible that the system works in such conditions, however, there's definitely something odd.

Code:

Capabilities HyperTransport Capability Offset A0h Revision 3.00 Interface type Host/Secondary Device number 0 Link 0 frequency 200MHz HyperTransport Capability Offset C0h Revision 3.00 Interface type Host/Secondary Device number 0 Link 0 frequency 200MHz HyperTransport Capability Offset E0h Revision 3.00 Interface type Host/Secondary Device number 0 Link 0 frequency 200MHz
08-31-2007, 05:49 AM
Yoxxy

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Hi: For what it's worth I also saw 1.40.8 and 1.41 showing wrong cpu voltages on the clovers..3.3+volts..:D
1.38 was fine..

On topic please everyone. Let's get back to more information on K10.
08-31-2007, 05:54 AM
w0mbat

@cpuz: Has this any impact on the performance of the k10?
08-31-2007, 05:57 AM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by terrace215

Obviously not. When you force your Chief SALES and Marketing officer out, you have a replacement ready to announce at the same time as you announce the departure of the old guy.

When someone quits with short notice, a la Henri, you have to say that his functions (head of sales AND marketing) are "reporting in to the office of the CEO" while you scramble to find the replacement.

As much as I despise quoting fudzilla, he posted a rumor that another VP will leave AMD:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=2774&Itemid=1

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