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true. and as you saéid (and I posted) I just wanted to asses my chances.
And because you said I have a pretty good change(and if they aren't those chips then it doesn't matter i'll still have ram that is equal or better then my current ram)
I WILL be cancelling my order and ordering 2x 512MB of that twinmos
And yhea I think your right, I could've responded "nicer" also :)
Has anyone have had some succes with Twinmos Speed Premium on an MSI NEO2 Platinum at 3.5v+ volts?, I mean 270mhz+ with 512mb sticks
I heard of some guys that the vdd gets really onstable on an MSI NEO2 if you boost your vdd to 3.5v+ and because of that the oc decreases, geen anyone confirm this?
In the Netherlands they don't sell much S939 board foor some reason, here is the best selection we have:
http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/475
Can anyone help me to choose the best board voor oc'ing?, I don't want a board with an pci-expres slot cause I have a nice agp card.
I wish they were selling de DFI s939 board in the Netherlands but they don't for some odd reason.
Maybe I'll buy one from a German or Belgium shop if they sell them, but I don't know of any good/cheap shops.
Can someone please give me a link to a good German and Belgium pricewatch please?
Many thanks !!!
belgian pricewatch is dead :(
I don't know that anyone has actually reported results with the TMSP at those lower voltages and if so, I am quite sure that they are closer to the default ratings of 2.5-3-3-7 than to 2-2-2-x.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity_Razer
These chips appear to behave very similarly to the chips used by OCZ in their VX series. I recall from the early VX discussions in this forum, as well as several others, that it was stated by the OCZ reps that at under 3v the VX's timings were pretty much in the value ram range, only after they were hit with higher voltages (in excess of 3.1v or so) did they start to run at 2-2-2 timings. It appears that the sweet spot for them is in the 3.4v-3.6v range, with diminishing returns after that.
Just talked with one of our distributors, and he said that they just received a batch that contains 50 pcs of 1GB AA4T kits. Had to take them all :D :D
Demand of these sticks seem to have sky rocketed, since he said that he spoke with one of TwinMos representatives and they aren´t sure when they can deliver next batch of these sticks. Is it true Alonso?
I hope you have not increased your margins to anything extreme. !! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
I just got hold of some BH-6 2480D Corsair, its only a single 256 stick but at 3.4v its happy to run 265mhz 2,2,5,2. Hopefuly i can track down another stick
stilt and what you doing with so many modules ?
What resellers usually do?Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
:D
50 modules!!!!!!!! :slobber:
Sweet mother of god =)
LOL
btw it's good to hear that on normal volts they'll behave normally :)
lol
This way I'm not forced to buy a DDR booster because it desperatly needs it's shot of 3.4 volts :D
Jupiler is right. I feel really bad about sending ram back to newegg. I haven't sent it back yet, So i am going to hold on to it for a system I'm building for my friend to edit music. He wants 2x512 for cheap so this is perfect. I personally am done buying ddr for now. I have way too many sticks as it is. :)
I might do the same. I have some customers that could use it anyway. ;)
you can always donate your modules that are laying about to me :)
i'll even pay for shipping :rolleyes:
lol
Could use some more toys.
All the toy I have (except my normal setup) is a p3 300MHZ with Linux on it :stick:
damnnnnnn stilt.
i want bad.
too bad its not SP eh?
Supposedly Speed Premium mems have more chance of having winbond chips on 'em, thats all.. (but Alonso said new shipments have PSC chips again)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
So what should be the problem?
SP has a better PCB.
get cheap sell expensive ? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
If these are $140 a set USA for 2x512 and you ahve a say 25% chance of getting the good chips and then another 25% of getting 260mhz 1:1 max timings sticks.
and OCZ VX is $260 a set 2x512 for a gurt. 240mhz max timings set.
I would pay $350 a set for gaurt. 260mhz 1:1 max timings set. :)
I've been down the road of tring tons of parts for a guart. speed Im after. Now becasue of the time involed and luck and stress I would rather work an extra shift and get something I want without fishing.
But thats just me :)
Depends, I supposed it isn't that hard to find an online shop which will tell you what their supply has on the memory sticks. Then you just saved yourself $120, I'm all about saving money.Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
Ya.. lets hope TwinMOS increase their Production Capacity :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Maybe hoping for a new revision...
Brain Power PCB + Winbond UTT + Heat Spreader = wont hurt :toast:
i'm really lucy...my friend will somehow return this AADT ram of mine :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
heatspreders are over rated, i have tons of them that i pulled off of old rams...
i mean sure they help but i usually put better sinks on anyways.
how well do the AADT OC, for those unlucky enough to get them instead?
they dont even do 2-2-2 timeings for starters... and at looser timeings they make it to 220mhz or so and they dont like volts
One reason I love this ram so much, is because it doesn't have heatspreaders. :D
We'd have to take them off to confirm the chips, anyhow. Memory Heatspreaders are one of my most hated industry trends
yea screw heatspreaders. that'll just raise price by like 10$ even though they are only worth 1$... once heatspreaders are put on them is ram just becomes so much better for the public. *oooh heatspreaders that must be awesome ram*......
yes, heat spreaders are junk! i would like bare n let us use our own creative mind to cool it rather than live w something tat we know we must take out but can't because of the warranty..
Heat spreaders, more like Chip covers(hide the chips?) :p
I wounder what their intention was realy ....
ok, i finally got my 2x512mb Twinmos DC kit, not the SP! :) (they were EXTREMELY expensive... 170€ :rolleyes: yeah, things are a bit expensive here at Portugal)
i was going to take some pics of the sticks (and i probably will) but i think most of you are already bored of the same old pics, so... lest go forward! :D
Chips: | PCB:
04504 | KO-6633
TMD...50D |
at first i had some problems at 2-2-2 (using a 1T BIOS... with 2T BIOS there was no problem at all)... till i remebered to increase vdimm to atleast 3v... and then magic happened!
at 3.05v i raised from 200mhz @ 2-2-2 till 240mhz @ 2-2-2 (that's what i call a good scaleting! :slobber: )
i probably would go much higher but my board got stuck at 244mhz... so i will have to wait for my A64 to really use the full potencial of this magic sticks. (anyone wants to sponsor? :P: )
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0441876901/twinmos.jpg
Nice results, I think everyone here wants a sponsor though :p:
what should i do, get mushkin pc3500 2-3-3 ch-5, or should i gamble on some 2x512MB twinmos SP?
i'm going to be placing the order today, oh well i don't think newegg is in stock on SP 512MB modules, so i wold have to wait on that anyways.
screw the ch-5 i'll just wait for this. oh, newegg just got vx in stock, 250 for 1Gb of it.
whaaa 1t with 2x512 and only 3v on amd?
is that an nforce2?
enok,
is that 240 @ 3.05v 1T or 3.05v 2T?
It is very impressive either way... my NF7 rarely completed SuperPI 1MB at that speed with 1T... congrats :toast:
Same here enok ... they are burning in on my NF7-S with memtest at 220 FSB 2-2-2-11 at 2.9 Vdim BIOS (3.05 actual). I dont think I cant either go higher on this board cause my stupid northbridge has issues above 220 FSB with any stick :(
Mine are 4514 instead of 4504 ... all the other indicatives are the same ...
Keep up the good work everyone :toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
He,he ... the thing is I cant "hand select" them ... I already had trouble with the seller asking him to see the memory modules ... he said "I could damage it if I didnt touch it correctly" :rolleyes: What an ass ... anyway ...
It's 5:14am here in Greece and in 4 hours I'll be hitting the shop again to buy another 2X512 ... (and thats it! - I'm broke for the month now!)
I can go to the store and buy some AA4T like the one's esdee showed on the first page ... other than that I dont know how well they will perform ...
Send me a pm if your interested ... ;)
you know what we all need? for twinmos to have a twinmos direct, like mushkin. They would probably advertise their chips correctly.
Alonso, are you taking notes (see prior post :) )?
thanks to Enok I just orders myself another stick of 512MB :D
Not DC though because they cost 20€ more(160€ total) and because I don't have it on my board anyways =)
lol So this will gimme 1GB of twinmos memory with a cost of 140€ =)
BTW tictac, could you mind looking into something for me?
at the mo I'm using Uberbios v 1006 on my Asus A7n8X-X and my Vdimm's max is 2.9
Is there any way you could "adjust" the bios so I can se say 3.0 or 3.1 volts? :)
Do we know any more about the Kingston ram yet ?
KVR333X64C25/512 <-- thats a 512mb pc2700 code, does anyone know what they mean ?
KVR400X64C3A/512 <-- since that is a pc3200 module im guessing this wont help us at all
Only the X64 bit or the A may leave a clue ....
DIDN'T the a in the hyper-x mean ch5 ?
Thanks
140€? and i paid 170€... what a robery... :(
i have an question to Alonso :P: , SP pcb is from BP (most of them atleast) and the usual DC kit has a pcb from... ? it has 6 layer's just like BP does (like u said before) but is it BP aswell? or is it something else? cause i really am surprised with my sticks, especially for a non-BP pcb.
i have just a little problem here... i keep getting an error on memtest #6, only 1 error.. maybe some burning would help right? but the thing about burning is that u should burn it at max fsb possible (especialy max fsb that sticks can handle, right?) in order to really help you instead of cutting your hability for rising a little more at that given voltage.
should i wait for another system (say A64) to really make a good burning at the supposed max fsb my sticks can handle? is that the best option?
@ Revv23 , yes it's. AN7 rev.1 (i think there is only one rev, lol) with nForce2 and 17de1T BIOS (thanks to enduracell and tictac :P )
@ Rabbi_NZ , 240mhz at 1T 1:1 2-2-2. :) but i have to say that this AN7 really overvolts, so the BIOS 3.05v is in fact almost 3.1v on MBM5. maybe that explains something.
either way i really feel that i could have scaleted even more at this voltage if it wasn't my board.
@ Daytime Dreamer , try given them at least 3v/3.1v at 1T. at that voltage you should raise from 200 to 240 @ 2-2-2 as i did.
@ Entity_Razer , np m8 :)
lol enok :)
If it turns out not to have those chips I'll just use them as normal value ram but cheaper (my "normal" brand is apacer which is 20euros PER BAR more then twinmos)
if they DO have those chips.....
well people won't see me leave my hous for a few days :banana: :banana: :banana:
First decent ram i'll ever have bought then (always wanted GOOD ram but never could afford it =) )
EDIT: OH boy, OOOOOOHHH BOY =)
I read your comment about your mobo overvolting well.... in Bios my Vcore is at 1.65 and IRL it's at 1.71 in MBM5
and Vdimm also ,when at 2.6 is almost at 2.7 =)
So instead of a max of 2.9Volt i'll have a max of about 3.0 =)
Sweet
dam I want that RAM badly =)
edit2:
if anyone has the same problem as enok meaning kosting a LOT, PM me if the costs for sending it aren't to high (for you , I aint paying it :p: ) and you trust me enough to wire me the money I'll buy it here and send it to you whereever you live :)
BTW hint to enok, if you buy stuff, try to purchase then in US dollars, 1 euro= 1.23dollars or more :)
so if someting costs like 100USD then we'll be able to get it for like 80 or lower euros
sweet hu?
i don´t think this will happen - we have branch offices all over the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
yhea well your probably right.
BTW alonso, you work for twinmos, right?
what department?
maybe you can "tip us off" concerning what chips those are or for which numbers we shoudl look out (meaning before week... they have them/they don't, and for after week.... vice versa
or is this unknown for you? (would be a shame though :) )
I've fired an e-mail off to a local shop that stocks Twinmos. I'd go and have a look myself, but I'm on my own today :(. If I do not hear anything, I'll check tomorrow.
working in Germany - responsible for European Technical Issues
no idea which modules sold to where - but i don´t get your question...
AA4T newest production (beginning late 2004) is the module (either TwinMOS/TwinMOS, TwinMOS/M.tec or TwinMOS Speed Premium) to look for - that is btw written in this thread many times...
Alonso,
Do you know how long Winbond UTT has been widely available, not just in TwinMOS or M.tec modules?
If I find Kingston modules with UTT looking chips and they are dated early 2004 (0417), is there any chance these are Winbond UTT or were they only available to module makers at a later date in 2004?
I've seen some M.tec chips with what appears to look like and test like (and coded like) UTT chips with dates as early as 0430(4) but was wondering if you are aware of TwinMOS or anyone else using them earlier than that in any of their modules?
I can assure you that this all is the real stuff.
All kits have week 52 chips so it´s really new stuff, straight from TwinMos.
:D
The Stilt, how much are you planning on selling them for?
I got another queston for those with 256 stick speed premium...
1. Are they BP pcb or just something similar?
2. Are all the 256mb stick single sided ( chips on one side of stick only)
Good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
If they overclock nicely i would also be interested in buying. :)
So what is the deal with the 512s from newegg?
OK Update time :banana4:
Just found these. For UK/EU ppl realy, at www.tekheads.co.uk.http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=603911 I have had a word with the powers that be and convinced them to list the codes of any AA4 they get ;) , currently They have stock of PC3200/256 as the following.
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/mem/AA4TD50_1.jpg
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/mem/AA4TD50_2.jpg
They also have some PC2700 D60 as I had previous.
http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601584
This is current stock , they had nothing else that even looked like the stuff we want.
My conclusion so far then:
D60 AA4T - PC2700 , good for 240ish @ around 3.4-3.6v Good
D50 AA4T - PC3200 , good for 250/260 @ 3.4 -3.6v Better
D44 AA4T - Pc3200 , good for over 250 @ 3.4-3.6v Best
D44 on BP pcb is the mutts nuts then. Xtreme
This sound about right ?
(thanks to vassili for clarification of order)
Pre-tested sticks are tested at 240MHz+ 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V on Intel and A64 (nForce3) platforms by looping Memtest v1.40 test #5 for two hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
For less returned modules that have failed to run at promised speed, we sell it DDR460 speed. So there is atleast 10MHz tolerance.
Overclock warranty is only valid with Intel 865/875, Athlon 64 and Aopen Pentium M based platforms.
All these 1GB kits that I have tested, have been capable to run at 240MHz 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V. Some kits straight out from the box, and some after little burn-in. These modules will actually burn-in really well.
dam shop.... they are supposed to deliver within 5workdays and I orders my Ram on theursday last week, but switched the order to twinmos on theusday or such
they haven't even replied to my e-mails, I guess it's time to make a phone call if they don't confirm my change of order.
and even if they didn't change it, where the hell is my ram :)
we're at 6 workdays so fork it over dudes! =)
and im jealous.
did send you PM alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by Daytime Dreamer
my hat goes off to you jessfm, that is really good work. too bad i don't live there so i can't benefit from your good work. i wish newegg would list if it was aa4t, and either 60,50, or 44d. :toast:
is there any way to order from teckheads if ur from US? :(
Very nice. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
You got Pm. :toast:
i think i'll email newegg and link them this page showing that they would have tons of people buying the ram if they decided to start showing the p/n and the 60,50,44d.
If you mean it this way, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
So i just emailed newegg, i linked them this thread, and also the tekheads site and how they did it because of the enthusiast crowd. Hopefully they will consider it.
For the neweggers here, maybe everyone should send them an email requesting that they do what tekheads did.
A warning to guys in the US wanting to buy in the UK,
You will pay through the nose at "rip-off Britain" prices. Get ready for a shock!
Yes, I think I will edit my post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vassili
Just received a second stick of 256M Speed Premium from Newegg. This is the "new" batch. TMSP400.
P/N M2G9108A8ATTFF081AA4T
Model # M2G9108A-TT
TwinMOS
04464
TMD7608F8E44D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
great idea...now we can expect higher prices too :(
I hope no ones reviews this ram either,that also results in higher prices.
Would you rather pay a little extra for someone to sort through their stock and send the correct part number though ?
Surely its worth a couple of $$/££'s per stick ???
I got :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
BP PCB but:
Mtec chips
NO DOTS
0452M
on the chips:
TTD7608FE50B
in everest it say's 5 Nanoseconds ram so that relativly good
I can run it at 200MHZ 2.6 volts at 7-3-3-2.5 but that isn't amazing, I could run my apacer at 8-3-3-2.5 at 2.6 volts so...
No dots, No AA4T, No 50D even.............
pffffffffff
dammit, always happens to me....
well yhea at least I got a gig of decent memory now instead of superb memory
Sterling work JessFM!
Oki here i go:
Got 3*1GB Kits with TwinMOS 50D labeled IC's i was very pleased with the results i got:
1 stick doing 275@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 270@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
2 sticks doing 265@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 260@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
and the last one wouldn't run at stock speed 2-2-2-5.
All of these results are a single module without any kind of burn-in, just plug'n'run at 3.6v. DFI Lanparty 250Gb, Clawhammer CG (as reported by CpuZ), Antec TruePower 550w.
With 2 sticks i was able to get 2*512 @275 and the other 2*512@260. Later some screen shots.
2 sticks 275 5-2-2-2? Schweet :slobber:
I agreed with this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
Yeah..... Hoping for
D44 AA4T + Brain Power PCB = TwinMOS VX :banana: :banana: :banana:
Sandra
@Zyklon,
Are they not burnt in yet? and what chips have yours got (D44?)
w/o burn in..:) thats the sweet part..
okay, they can keep the prices right where they are at newegg, and then 50% of the people will be getting AADT, so in effect the cost of AA4T is twice as high as maybe it will take 2 purchases to get the right stick. But if they heed our request and make it a tad more expensive, like maybe 85$, we can choose whether we want AA4T, or cheaper AADT.
the whole reason why vx is so expensive is that you know what you are getting ahead of time, while with twinmos it seems like more people are losing on 512MB dimms than winning. 256 seems to be pretty good chanches.
50D TwinMOS labeled.
Anyone else noticed that NON Speed Premium sticks use exactly same PCB as Speed Premium sticks? ;)
Maybe thats why M.tec overclocks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, because they use different PCB.
The_Stilt,
when will you be selling the pre-tested 1GB kits?
and what will you be charging?
zyklon where did you get them ?
i have feeling i won't be lucky getting this ram....
How long should the modules burn in?
Was that Winbond UTT or just a M-tec/TwinMos chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyklon5
Hey Bennah... have a look at these... ;)
http://www.adventurevision.com/somep.../TwinMOSx4.jpg
And in case you missed it... (finger pointing thanks to my 4yr old :))
http://www.adventurevision.com/somep...winMOS-44D.jpg
(all AA4T's btw...)
These were bought from NewEgg.com and shipped from their New Jersey warehouse on Sunday night.
bah damn lucky fookers....what you gonna do with 4*512 ?
:eek: cream of the crop jeff!
AA4T's + 4.4ns
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
L U N A T I C ............. :D
I'd like to take credit for them but they are headed over the pond once I make sure they aren't DOA. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
I may have to pick up a few since the price... it's just insane! :bows:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
256mb sticks right?
those pcb's look like mine! tho they are SP! :confused:
can you plz post their revision? :toast:
So, if i want to get some Twinmos Vx i should look for some ic's with TMD....44D and P/n:......AA4T of late 04?
Thank you!
All people in uk needing this memory.
I have a friend in a pc shop that has just had a twinmos delivery 512 and 256 ;)
I can go and check the stock on saturday and will report back.
I am happy to buy this ram and post it to people but can i get a general idea of how many people would want it and what size modules.
This is quite a small shop without a lot of buying power so it wont be as cheap as the big online stores but i may well be able to get a bulk discount and since they only just got it he isnt actually sure how much he is going to charge :p
I think its min £50 for a 512mb stick and max £60 i think but they will be hand picked :)
Also he is happy to get stock in if he can and knows i will buy it ... a very accomodating chap :). Could someone let me know which distro companies distribute this ram and if they can do specific codes on the ram :) I will pm alonso.
Thanks :)
Yeah, all 256Mb sticks... forgot to mention that. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Only mark on the PCB I can find is KO-6633... is that it? If not, where is it printed?Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
are they on the speed premium only or we can buy value modules with Winbond UTT alias Twinmos Vx??
Can someone answer my last question, too? I would like to go tomorrow for shopping :P
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
In that listing that was provided earlier, showing the various clocks for the 60Ds, the 50Ds and the 44Ds we left off the 60Ds with the "-50" after the date codes (like X-Gen reported in an earlier post).
These seem to do much better than the 240 shown for the "regular" 60Ds. X-Gen hit 270s and Diablo23rd over at OCForums has a set of these and they maxed his 3.2 P4 at 255 with 3.6v and he was sure they had more left.
We might want to edit the list and include these (remember...these are M.tec labeled chips that have the extra code, not the TwinMOS labels).
These chips can be found in Non Speed Premiums as well. The critical physical markings are the Winbond circles/dimples, the small hole in the lower left corner and the two bands/staples at both the left and right edge of the chip. Stick on labels will end in AA4T and the chips will have date codes with YYWW4, the "4" being critical, the "D" after the date code in NOT Winbond UTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeSaiD
Good luck in your hunt.
I got mine from ChiefValue, they are the aadt's... :(
I saw earlier in the thread that transam got the 256 mb sticks from newegg and they were good. I was wondering if anyone has tried the 512 mb sticks from newegg yet and results? i cant find them i must be overlooking if its there. Does anyone know? I really need 2x512 and am using 2x256 of mushkin bh6 right now but want an upgrade :).
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
A bunch of people tried 512mb sticks from newegg and got the AADT sticks. :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Ya.. but not Brain Power PCB
TwinMOS use brain power PCB on AADT not on AA4T? Why? :slap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyklon5
From these results I really dont think the BrainPower PCB is that important... OCZ uses BrainPower and does about the same as these modules if not worse so what's the big deal?
yup.. they exist in plain twinmos & the speed premiumQuote:
Originally Posted by BeSaiD
with 4 last p/n endded with AA4T :stick:
man i really want some 2x512 ram that is bh-5 or this winbond utt, i really hope theres some good twinmos 512 mb sticks :mad: