If thats true, the GTX 580 is in big trouble! And i will pick one up day 1
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If thats true, the GTX 580 is in big trouble! And i will pick one up day 1
that site is very well known as far as i rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
I added link to the source. check that post again.
If that's true.... well GTX580 will only have a couple of weeks as the tessellation king (and single gpu king)... fail king
lol
Really funny, for sure ...Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Really hoping it will at least perform equal to the GTX580 (a loss of 5, maybe 10% aint that bad, beating it would be great). Not because I wouldn't want a nVidia card, but because I hate dual card setups (using Eyefinity at the moment), 2 GTX580s cost a 1000 euros & will make a pc consume about 650 Watts during gaming on the graphics side alone (2x 250 Watt & 3x 50 Watt for the monitors).
I'd rather have 5 to 10% less performance (and a cheaper card) if I can avoid the required SLI for nVidia's solution and only use about 400 Watts at the graphic section.
This information had nothing to do with dual gpu cards, only single gpu cards, 6970 is a single gpu card ..... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
And that is why I am hoping that it performs at max 10% less than a GTX580 and hopefully better, to avoid having to Crossfire (to get enough FPS)/SLI (cause 1 GTX580 can't run 3 monitors)?...
*insert random icon to make post look more epic* :shakes:
dude you missing the idea here. the HD5870 was a die shrink and spec wise it almost doubled the HD4870. 1600shadders compared to 800shadders, most people are going to think that means double the performance, it also had double the rops and a higher clock speed. so on paper it was twice as fast however when it came down to it the HD5870 was rarely close to being twice as fast because of the poor shadder organization and layout. it also used more power, was larger and gave off the same amount of heat compared to the 4870. and took more than a year to come out. however the HD5870 was (and still is) a great card that caused ATI to take back the fastest single GPU crown for a good while. i can't really remember much complaining about it... even by nvidia fanboys considering how the performance was good and how it brought DX11 and eyefinity to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
why are people impressed by the GTX 580? because it's out like 7 months after the GTX 480, it uses less power, puts out less heat, is smaller, is about the same price (in Canada), and is still 20% faster without a die shrink... and it OC's pretty good as well.
on to Cayman, these leaked specs seem to confirm the rumors 1920shadders, 4D layout, 2GB of ram blah blah blah. come on AMD leak something good like a bench or something:D this card will be powerful but it just does not add up to have it beating the 5970. yes the shadders are better used and there is less wasted power, but a 1280SP deficit is not easy to overcome. I think if anything 6970 will end up neck and neck with the GTX 580, leading to fanboy violence from both camps, a brutal price war and smiles on all the kids faces at Christmas.
massive problem here, I am decades past being a kid, so how am I going to justify an upgrade by Christmas???
So that's equivalent to some 2400 Cypress shaders for Cayman XT. With all the other improvements I'd say something in range of 40% faster than HD5870 is doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
No, nVidia fans were all over how GF100 will beat 5870 to obvilion.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Thats not impressive, 10% that is clocks, that leaves ~5-15% depending on situation for full CUDA core count and improvements. I really dont see anything impressive. And 7 months.. Do you really think that in time when nVidia was trying its ass to fix GF100 they did not come with lot of ideas, but those ideas could have not been implemented in time. So they did what they could, bubblegum to get GF100 released and then work on other improvements that take acceptable time to do to try to catch AMDs lead.Quote:
why are people impressed by the GTX 580? because it's out like 7 months after the GTX 480, it uses less power, puts out less heat, is smaller, is about the same price (in Canada), and is still 20% faster without a die shrink... and it OC's pretty good as well.
Well, performance leaves to be seen. I have no trouble adding up to 5970 performance, as you yourself said, Evergreen is very inefficient design. What do you think that Cayman is all about? its finding the right mix to get it efficient at high shader counts. I bet Barts is what it is becouse that is Evergreen designs "sweet spot".Quote:
on to Cayman, these leaked specs seem to confirm the rumors 1920shadders, 4D layout, 2GB of ram blah blah blah. come on AMD leak something good like a bench or something:D this card will be powerful but it just does not add up to have it beating the 5970. yes the shadders are better used and there is less wasted power, but a 1280SP deficit is not easy to overcome. I think if anything 6970 will end up neck and neck with the GTX 580, leading to fanboy violence from both camps, a brutal price war and smiles on all the kids faces at Christmas.
What is sure, thoses spec match the last rumored spec... maybe a bit too much, i don't read chinese, are you sure he just not compil the last rumors ?
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Originally Posted by SpuTnicK
If you're married, as either the husband or wife, I suggest you go to your knees and make a very persuasive oral case.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Dammit!!!, I was hoping for a simple penile process!!!!...:rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
In this case it beats GTX580. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
I guess it depends on how receptive she is to that particular 'argument', just remember to stay firm. We're behind you on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
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Partners not getting their AMD Radeon HD 6970 boards in time has led many to speculate AMD is indeed facing yield issues with its upcoming flagship GPU. However, an insider has shared a contradicting piece of news: the card's delay is not due to yield issues - production is perfectly fine, but rather a shortage of a particular component from Texas Instruments (TI) is the root cause of the hold-up.This TI component is an integrated driver-MOSFET (DrMOS) that was first used on AMD's Radeon HD 6800 Series. This DrMOS is so new to the point there is no information on it on the Web, not even from the manufacturer itself.
Supply of this DrMOS is limited, and since the Radeon HD 6800 Series and upcoming HD 6900 Series share the same VRM design, any (tight) supply from TI is shared between all the cards. This leads to a delay in HD 6970 card manufacturing, with partners receiving their final boards late as well.
It is interesting to note that AMD has also withheld the final BIOS from partners. It is an open question as to whether NVIDIA's just-launched GeForce GTX 580 flagship GPU and its performance figures has anything to do with this. That aside, the initial 22nd November date may be set to change; AIBs will only know the final launch date from AMD at the end of this week.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-rade...med/10276.html
If these numbers are genuine it should be way above that. HD6870 is about 2 GFLOPS. So we're looking at around 50-60% over HD5870... and possibly a match for the 5970.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
The chiphell admin basically created a very gutsy thread titled
"No more 6970 performance predictions allowed!", and left this nugget of insight:
"Yeah yeah it's faster than the 580 alright, no speculation on how much faster!"
If I were one of those pathetic fanboys pretending to care about consumers I'd be oooooh disappointed now.
Too bad we now have to wait two whole weeks to see the hard numbers :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
LMAO, what a way to pave the road ahead, hopefully silly fanboisms will dilute from here on.
Yeah it would be wise if the 6970 had 1920 shaders instead of 1536 like previous rumours stated, why would the 6970 have less shaders than the 5870? Didn't make too much sense.
"Yeah yeah it's faster than the 580 alright, no speculation on how much faster!"
that's all I care about right about now
More equivalent to 2400 Bart's shaders IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
We're talking about Hemlock class performance here. :clap::clap:
This time around nvidia's barking mouth seems to be curiously quiet. I for one see nothing wrong or out of place with the GTX580 release.
Woof woof...
The 6970 sounds like it's going to be a beast of a card at a good price. I'm glad as this will bring the 580's price down even more so that I might consider buying one. Having said that, I might actually just stick with the 480 I have right now as it runs pretty cool and quiet with the customer cooler and a good overclock for everyday use.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/17512/...h_of_december/Quote:
AMD Radeon 6900 series - something to bite into after 13th of December?
As of today, the NDA lift for information relating to the AMD Radeon HD 6950 and HD 6970 will be the week of December 13th. We will be providing additional information on these products, including the exact date and time of the NDA lift along with samples in the weeks prior to launch.
This is direct from AMD - get your paws into it and start saving those dollars for just another month now!
December 13? Damn, I don't know if I can wait that long. I was hoping for some price drops from Nvidia, not happy. :down:
Hope you didn't wait for GF100 then.. :) Though, it is a bit late to launch it just 11 days before Christmas, but the majority of parents don't buy the gifts until around that time anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
Oh...seems like a familiar pattern. maybe not.
parents buy for themselves whenever.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
You missed the part where they're apparently getting this form Shane Baxtor :down:
Heh, no. I wanted to give the 580 a try, but $500 is more than I want to spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
Maybe I'll just pick up a GTX460, or dig out some of my oldie cards and use that, I'm using IGP right now. :stick:
Background? Sorry I've been out of the loop on these things until lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Slightly more credible than Charlie/Fuad but often writes/presents things in a similar tabloid fashion and has been off quite a few timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
Problem is... if release dates are usually under NDA, why the hell would this be posted directly? Doesn't seem to quite add up
Thanks for the info. Yes that makes sense, you're under NDA so you can't talk about the release date unless the NDA states you can.
We'll see if other sites report the same thing (not just parrot what Shane Baxtor is saying).
The launch date is still in Nov as of a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
I find it funny all this speculation of delays coming days before launch.
If that info is false, then that is really low. Who wrote that? It's worded to sound like it came directly from AMD. Gotta be an email or something from AMD, I can't believe someone would falsify to that extent.
Well, if under NDA, they can't confirm or deny it... which boggles the mind even more as to why he'd go ahead and say itQuote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
That's why this doesn't make any sense.
If AMD told him directly, he was under NDA (otherwise every other website would be saying so) - in which case this shouldn't even be out. And he's one of the reviewers for TweakTown, so he definitely understands what NDAs are for, so it's even more confusing
So it's funny. After AMD released the slides and confirmed Cayman is still due for Q4 2010, we get:
Nov 22 from Chinese sources
Nov 29 from Fudzilla
Dec 13 from Shane Baxtor
Hey everyone, lets all speculate dates as well and put it together in a pool!
they did this with the barts launch too, delay and delay and opps here it is we told you :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Hard to say that... I do believe China xDQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
huuuum... while it look official .... the way its made look really doubtfull...
adults buy for themselves whenever.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
I don't think Shane would do something as petty as this. He's quite a well respected forum regular on OCAU (overclockers australia) and it just doesn't seem like him to make up rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I don't think it has to be petty - it can be as simple as having something lost in translation. After all, if he's under NDA and reputable, he knows that release dates have been under NDA so why would he say this is direct from them? That's what doesn't make any sense about the situationQuote:
Originally Posted by Frontl1ne
why would the tweaktown guy make that up.
slipping the schedule a few weeks is not unusual. it sucks for them because this is the absolute worst time of the year to slip the schedule. but it is not unusual.
Its official information, Cayman delayed to week 50 (13-19th of december). According to Sampsa. He said that no reason for delay was given, but assumed that DrMos component shortage info would be accurate.
They better not delay it. Or Hittler will get Angry.
How hard it is to understand OFFICIAL INFORMATION STRAIGHT FROM AMD. Delayed to week 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
Week 50 means a month of speculation and fanboys trolling and arguing. Yay.
Why can't we find this "official information straight from AMD" at anywhere besides... Tweaktown?
Has he broken the NDA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
sorry i couldnt find any official statement from AMD. Could your provide me a link, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Even Fudzilla have not report it yet ( but im sure they will make an article tomorrow the 69xx are delayed to march 2011 ( joke ofc ) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
But well anyway, a 2weeks delay is not really dramatic ... this happend all times in all industry....
http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropake...an-viikolla-50
"Saimme juuri hetki sitten vahvistettua virallisen tiedon suoraan AMD:lta, että Cayman-grafiikkapiiriin perustuvat Radeon HD 6950- ja 6970-näytönohjaimet myöhästyvät alkuperäisestä julkaisupäivämäärästä, joka oli 22. marraskuuta. Uusien näytönohjainten virallinen julkaisu tulee tapahtumaan viikolla 50 eli 13. - 19. joulukuuta."
"We just confirmed straight from AMD that Cayman-based Radeon HD 6950- and 6970 GPUs will be delayed from the original date of 22. November. The launch of the GPUs will happen week 50, i.e. 13.-19. December"
So it seems AMD just wanted people to know they're still releasing this year rather than let the rumors fly.
I thought on B3D you said GTX 580 was trading blows with Cayman PRO aka 6950?Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
Was that based on some information or were you guessing?
Anyway from AMD's slides it doesn't look like 6950 could match 580 - that would make 6970 very comfortably over HD5970 which the slides disagree with
Please AMD make them scale well with ln2 and have a quadfire driver ready to go at launch for 3dmark ownage :D:D
What?!! So this is true?!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
This is bad. Only a matter of time this information reaches Hitler. Which i believe will make him Angry!.
Oh... bad day.
2 weeks is not delay. It is PUSHED BACK. yea, thats more appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
Thanks for your concern but I have asked approval from AMD to publish this information they announced today to press :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
huhh...thank god...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Then the rumored press conference in Beijing on the 29th could be right.
If this is correct, the delay is only about 1 week:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...-november-29th
jarle
Another rumor.
KitGuru says: "AMD HD6970 guaranteed to beat GTX580, according to sources."
They also promised to have more info in less than 12 hours
AMD Radeon 6900 series - something to bite into after 13th of December?
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Some glorious news has come to me in the form of glittery, amazing text on MSN from our own Shane Baxtor VGA reviewer extraordinaire.
Demand for the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series continues to be very strong, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world and the
newest members of the AMD graphics family, the AMD Radeon HD 6850 and HD 6870, have set new standards for performance at their respective price
points, and are available in volume
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With this in mind, we are going to take a bit more time before shipping the AMD Radeon HD 6900 series. As of today, the NDA lift for information relating to the AMD Radeon HD 6950 and HD 6970 will be the week of December 13th. We will be providing additional information on these products, including the exact date and time of the NDA lift along with samples in the weeks prior to launch.
This is direct from AMD - get your paws into it and start saving those dollars for just another month now!
So their current range is doing brilliant somehow means that we have to struggle with December (pre Christmas) deliveries hence not finding us until Q1 2011. I get it now :clap:.
Dec 13? Yawn
Once again from Charlie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Quote:
IT'S THAT TIME of year again, yes, November, time for new high end GPUs to bloom. Luckily, ATI, sorry, AMD, is right on schedule. Cayman samples are now at AIBs.
Yes, you heard it right, some AIBs have Cayman chips now, and if everything else holds true to form, they should be on the store shelves across the world in 2-4 weeks. The kits come with a Cayman and some 6Ghz GDDR5, so the memory clocks will end up between 5.5-6GHz.
There are a lot of really bad rumors going around the net right now so be careful what you believe. The two things that we know are true is the memory speed and that barring a last second glitch, you will be buying them before Dec 1. Everything else should be taken with a glacier sized grain of salt.
Who is right? Let's see..... ;)
lol, according to charlie,
nvidia wont have the 580 out for a few more months
and ati has the 6900s out to everyone weeks ago (but we must all be in denial)
I want see Macci coming back, benching with HD6970s to destroy the ORB :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Booj
what about that one :rolleyes: that was posted in octoberQuote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
Here is the full announcement:
"Please find an announcement from AMD below regarding the change of Cayman NDA:
Demand for the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series continues to be very strong, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world and the newest members of the AMD graphics family, the AMD Radeon HD 6850 and HD 6870, have set new standards for performance at their respective price points, and are available in volume.
With that in mind, we are going to take a bit more time before shipping the AMD Radeon HD 6900 series. As of today, the NDA lift for information relating to the AMD Radeon HD 6950 and HD 6970 will be week 50. We will be providing additional information on these products, including the exact date and time of the NDA lift, in the weeks prior to launch."
http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropake...an-viikolla-50
I'm going to infer by your post that you're saying Charlie is wrong, and Cayman is delayed until December or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
See the post above yours. Looks like an official email to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
do the delay is due to sales of 5800s being too good?
or they want to make sure they have enough volume of 6900s due to the super awesome price point they will have?
or both?
It does unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Well at least we can stop speculating about release dates
And concentrate on speculating about performance and specs :rofl:
sucks to be amd right now lol seems to me like nvidia pooped on their party
That really depends on how well Cayman does/doesn't doQuote:
Originally Posted by eric66
For me the message looks otherway around. That they did not succeed in pooping their party.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
What does this 6970 & 50 delay means really?
Apparently, it's not because of bad yield. Rumors are saying it is caused by the shortage of MOSFET (DrMOS) chip. But after that back-off on 6990, and now this. Can all this mean AMD is in trouble to deliver a competitive performance to beat/match GTX580?
It wouldn't suprise me if nvidia were behind the shortages (if there is one) to poop on AMDs party, especially with the successful launch of the 580.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
580 is owned.
Notice how silent the Nvidia PR is, they know what is coming to them.
or else they be shouting how good the 580 is.
Nvidia isnt known for silence.
if they knew they would be screwed once the 6900s are out, they would be wise to market the crap out their cards to get as many out the door as possible before its launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
i think the issue is that nvidia dosnt really have many profitable cards between 250$ to 500$, and will have to wait for the 570 to fill in the gap, but even that will still probably leave large holes. if the 570 goes for 375-400$, then a 6970 for 450$ would be good enough to scare people off nvidia.
i think the only real solution in the end is for a 450$ 580, with a 6870 near it aswell (pending performance)
a 570 for 350$, 6950 right around the same
and 460s and 6800s for sub 250$
but then between 250$ and 350$, you will have like no choices from either brand.
we might see in spring time a 6930 and 560 (full 104) to do OK in that price gap, but thinking that far out is too risky, but its still a gap to be filled
AMD Radeon 6900 series officially delayed
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Next week two cards from the radeon 6900 where supposed to launch as all of you know. Lots of rumors already appeared on delays. We finally have a thing or two confirmed from AMD
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Few changes…
Demand for the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series continues to be very strong, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world and the newest members of the AMD graphics family, the AMD Radeon HD 6850 and HD 6870, have set new standards for performance at their respective price points, and are available in volume.
With that in mind, we are going to take a bit more time before shipping the AMD Radeon HD 6900 series. As of today, the NDA lift for information relating to the AMD Radeon HD 6950 and HD 6970 will be the week of December 13th. We will be providing additional information on these products, including the exact date and time of the NDA lift, in the weeks prior to launch.
Thanks for your continued interest and help in letting gaming enthusiasts know about these products. We appreciate your understanding and patience.
Kind regards
Wheels burst
Tomsmith 也说过6970 相当（略低）于6870 CF 的性能。
Tomsmith also said that 6970 comparable (slightly lower) in the 6870 CF performance.
也许综合性能6870 CF >= 6970 > 5970 >= 580
Perhaps the overall performance 6870 CF> = 6970> 5970> = 580
this one is interesting though if its true i see new radeon 9800 on horizon :D
I think this is the worst logic I have ever seen on this forum :DQuote:
Originally Posted by flopper
So Nvidia PR is silent because: 6900 is going to own 580 and Nvidia doesn't want to sell more cards during the sole month in which they are in a good position? Cool
+1 what they are supposed to say about unknown product ?
Plus, if their silence means their product will end up underwhelming they would have been completely silent before the Fermi launch. Which they weren't. Oh no, they weren't.
You guys don't get it? When nVidia is quiet it means their product is crap. When they make noise it also means their product is crap. When nVidia suffers delays they're screwed. When AMD suffers delays, nVidia is also screwed. It's the easiest thing ever - no matter what happens the conclusion is the same :)
That we have to wait for another month to pick up a decently priced card. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
dont forget that when AMD price gouges, nvidia is still screwed cause they only respond to AMD prices :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
they never been silent before.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.
its consistent behaviour for Nvidia.
they also do a ton of dmg control if that happens, woodscrews anyone?
it's not the woodscrews but the refunds thay had to give with the 4000's that was a bigger black eyeQuote:
Originally Posted by flopper
no hype & no refunds this time
All these may be true, but nVidia has been confident enough to drop the GTX580 right on Cayman. This timing and confident indicates that they have planed to sabotage it, and may even had plan to beat it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
On the other hand, these 2 delays are not indicating a confident AMD, but we have to wait and see how Cayman will stand against GTX580, if it comes out on time.
They had to release the GTX 580, otherwise cayman would've truly been the next R300 (going by current rumors). But really, like other people have said, i don't think AMD would be stupid enough to release a product which isn't equal or better than the GTX 580, otherwise it's just fail. Because that would mean it's only 30-40% faster than the 6870 let alone the 5870. Even if it's just ~50% better than a 6870 it would be on par with the 580, and i'm expecting at least 60-70% over the 6870 ;)
Would be funny if nvidia refreshed to a GTX 585 etc to compete :rofl:
You're spinning harder than CharlieQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
2 delay are not indicating a confident AMD? Right after you said it might be due to the DrMOS component? And before that, you were gloating about AMD suffering yield issues which were proven false a few days later
And what 2 delays? There's only been one, and AFAIK, the original 11/22 date was the "best guess" and never set in stone
Some people are seriously delusional , and the fanboys are the worst
No need to get offensive. In that way the truth gets berried under childish fight. I take it as an offense to be compared to Charlie.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I don't know why they have delayed 6870 & 50, rumors says the shortage DrMOS is to blame. I don't know, but they have delayed 6990 to next year too.
These 2 delays may indicate trouble in AMD camp, but it may be just for fun too, who knows?
Sam Oslo, you are like broken record. Repeating same over and over again.