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Might need a reflash?
i am using the one that one of the members got pre release... ill go try the "Official" one tommorow night..
I have the same issue, however I noted that when you let it reboot at default values (so press F2) and than shutdown and startup again than enter the BIOS and than do your settings and reboot again you don't get the message again when normally rebooting/shutdown/startup.
However as soon as your PC hangs (due to OC or because of windows/software) or reboots (by itself of by the user) before windows is loaded (so before the bios detected all hardware) it starts all over again.
Ok I'll try that Madman666, hope it works. Maybe I'll need to re-download and flash the bios, the one I have is also the pre-release I think.
I'm (again) considering selling my 2x L5410 Xeon Asus z7s rig and buy an Gigabyte X58 UD5 and a 920.
Main use: Adobe CS4, rendering and downloading
Existing rig:
-fast rendering
-slow memory
-no future upgrades
-oc limited
Pros i7 920:
- future upgrades ?
- exiting oc
- fast memory
-???
Any ideas, suggestions?
Need advice...:shrug:
@jcool: could you please post me the Nuclearus results of your new 920 @stock and @3.2?
Unless you've got a lot of money to burn, your current rig should really be fine with what you use it for.
Hey Guys,
I've been waiting for ages to get onto this forum and share my results and ask some questions - I'll come back later for the questions, but they relate to the irritating reset of the bios and OC profile 50% of the times when I reboot my computer, thereby making it impossible to rely on it for remote control operations...
Azus Z7S motherboard
1 x Antec 650W Truepower Trio Power Supply - more efficient than my 550W Thermaltake PSU.
2 x L5420 Xeon Processors (50w low voltage)
8GB of Kingston RAM 1 x 8GB Kit (2 x 4GB modules - KVR800D2D4F5K2/8G)
1 x 74GB Raptor 10,000 RPM for OS
2 x Hitachi deskstar 160GB in RAID 0 (fast access documents and other high-speed stuff)
1 x WD 250GB drive
Running SATA as RAID with full caching/performance settings (Yes I have UPS and backup generator!)
1 x ATI FireGL V5100 workstation graphics card supplying images to 2 x 19" Samsung LCD monitors.
2 x OCZ Core V2 60GB SSDs on their way from the States to install in RAID 0 for OS, 2 more possibly to follow in the new year.
D-TEK CPU Fuzion V2 waterblocks with quad core mid chamber inserts, Thermaltake GPU waterblock (bought D-TEK Fuzion GPU block but can't use it as it's not compatible with my FireGL - I'll have to use it with my new graphics card that I will add next year to run the 22-24" center screen)
1 x Laing D5 Pump running on slowest/quietest setting
1 x Thermaltake racing level radiator with 2 x 120mm fans in Thermaltake Armor case.
1 x Thermaltake AquaBay M3 5.25" reservoir - looks nice but poorly thought of when constructed, want to change it for something better and with 3/8" couplings.
I managed to get the L5420's to clock to 3308.00MHz with 441 FSB - I'm running 1.2ish vcore - totally stable. I kept speedstep enabled as I want the power savings. I am currently enjoying much more processor capacity than with my previous Pentium D (dual-core) 3.6GHz stock processor with a lot less power usage.
Core Temp 0.96.1 Temperatures:
Core #0: 50C
Core #1: 42C
Core #2: 42C
Core #3: 44C
Core #4: 45C
Core #5: 48C
Core #6: 45C
Core #7: 46C
Core #8: 46C
Asus PC Probe II reports:
CPU0: 34C
CPU1: 36C
MB: 34C
Which program do you guys find to be more reliable?
Has anyone been able to get more speed from either the L5420 or the E5420? Has anyone been able to go past 450 FSB with the vcore bios update?
Regards
Andrew
Jcool, get the bios from Asus site.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=455152
1.35vcore in bios, gets me 1.3 in windows, running 440fsb, about to go tweak it up.
temps are around 55c idle though.. that was idle on Copper and fan heatsinks, TJmax is 100c on these chips, so i will try and keep it under 70c..
still has that reboot bug, but i did manage to pull this off , my goal has been met..
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=455163
edit, Super pi done in 11 seconds, 1M
Cinebench 64bit scored 29k
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=797627
Get two more to take advantage of the quad channel bandwidth.Quote:
2 x 4GB modules
Hi Andrew, :welcome:
I have L5410's with the z7s.
Unfortunately I have not been above 400 FSB, so you are one lucky :rehab:
Anyway, did you look how your memory is detected in the bios ?
Mine says 667Mhz but it truly is 800Mhz ! I also have Kingston, however 4x2GB.
Did you change any other voltages, besides the Vcore ? Which BIOS do you have ? 0401 ?
Intel stated the Tjunction max for these CPU's should be 70C. If you use coretemp, you can adjust Tj.max and you should have the "correct" temps.
However, testing looks Tj max should be more in the line of 75-80C.
Because I think coretemps should be at idle ±5-10 above cpu temp.
Anyway, i hope you put some benches up.
BTW: what are your Dimm temps?
madman, the reason your 800 mem shows up as 667 is because our Memory runs 1:1 with cpu, the fsb on the processor is 333, so 333 on the mem too, i cranked mine manualy to 400 to get the memory at 800, and my processor at 3.6ghz.. that is leaving all voltages at normal/auto
I know, but I'm running at 396 (that's my max :() and the memory still says 667.
So at 400 Mhz or above it should say 800 ?
I cannot get more than 396 stable. from 397 to 400 it boots into Vista but freezes up when testing. 401 just freezes at boot.:shakes:
Already tried 1.26Vcore, 1.30 MCH, 1.83 mem. E1C and speedstep disabled.
Also tried everything default besides the FSB.
What did you change from the default ?
Madman666 YGPM ;)
I thought about that - is there a noticeable performance difference to justify the extra $$$ ? I bought 4GB modules so that I would have the upgrade path available in the future when the prices drop.
My 800's are also showing as 667's. DIMM1 is running at 60c and DIMM2(Slot 3) is running at 54c. I have a small silent system fan sitting on top of the Northbridge that is sharing some ventilation with the memory and I also have a 250mm side case fan. I'm in the Spanish winter right now and my office is very cold - we'll see how they fare in the summer!
I'm running bios version 0401 and I haven't changed any other voltages, wasn't sure about it as this is my first time overclocking!
I've attached a screenshot from Cinebench R10 - running 36 seconds for the x CPU test. Another screenshot shows the comparison between the new rig and the old rig. Even the OpenGL scores are higher!
What do I need to do in order to get my memory to show as 800? I thought it was because I am running a 1333MHz processor and you need a 1600Mhz CPU to run 800MHz memory.
Regards
Andrew
Forgot to mention none of my core temperatures went above 62c during Cinebench - and that's from Core Temp. Immediately went back to high 40's afterward.
I must say that for anyone who is considering a rig like this the raw processor benchmarks don't do the potential and capacity of this setup justice - in my opinion, it's the multitasking that is most important for daily workstation use - the ability to do more things at once; for me, that will directly translate into more income - the speed is a bonus!
I'd be curious to know how a dual-harpertown workstation would compare to a single Core i7, as the latter can also execute 8 threads, but only has four physical cores. I've read reviews that say that hyperthreading is much better on the Core i7 than on previous processors, but I still have a gut feeling that it's better to have 8 physical cores - I haven't found any direct comparisons yet. Otherwise, a comparative setup would be a quad socket AMD (more cores but slower clocks) or a dual Core i7, but dual Core i7 boards aren't available from Asus yet, I heard that overclocking is limited and the power consumption is higher compared to the 50w L5420s.
I'm currently downloading a trial of VMware Workstation as I'm curious to see how well it runs virtualization, I may end up running 64-bit Windows XP on the host and 32-bit Windows XP on the guest. Might be reason for me to upgrade to 16GB quad channel RAM. I'll report back on that...
My Dual X5450's at 4,05Ghz are around 30-50% faster than an i7 clocked at 4Ghz. Leave out benches that are completely memory-dependant (like Winrar) and you get closer to 50% most of the time. Apps I have compared so far: WCG HCC, Cinebench, 3DMark CPU, TrueCrypt, wPrime. I think there was more.. I should do a comprehensive writeup of the results I know, but I really don't have the time :(
So for now, you can either believe me, or bench for yourself ;)
The most important factor on a Dual S771 setup (besides the CPU clock speed) is the FSB, by the way. If you compare my bench runs and daily results with same or higher clocked CPUs on a ST with lower FSB, the Z7S always wins. FSB is a real bottleneck here, every Mhz helps especially as you go up in clock speed.
Nice add-on for Core Temp here:
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/addons.html
it has to be exactly 400fsb, to come up as ddr2 800mhz..
You might be reading the wrong numbers. There will be some numbers that will say what your memory is on startup, but there are other numbers which tell you what your memory is actually running at.
At 441 run CPU-Z, if it shows the memory at 441 in the memory tab then you're probably looking at the wrong numbers (or they're not showing at all.. I dont remember because I dont reboot often lol) during POST ;)
edit, got an issue
Dunno what started this, but sometimes my volume is really low even if I max it out and other times its really high and will crackle even if I turn things down as far as possible.
I tested my system yesterday with a duo core 5120 (single).
Tried OC'ing, same issues. No boot after 400 FSB.
So my L5410's are not the problem.
Still suspect my memory. I will try taking out some banks to see if this will work.
Otherwise, how can I test if it's the memory without buying memory? Beacuse I'm not yet sure it's the memory holding back my OC and I don't want to end up with more memory and no improvement.:shrug:
Any other suggestions ? or should I just live with it ;)
I will try that just to see if it works, although then I'll be losing a lot of CPU speed...
See attached screenshots! Although I was mainly referring to the memory information tab in the bios, which says 667MHz.
Have you tried running memtest to see if there are faults with the modules?
On another note, for anyone who has been plagued with bios resets, I disabled quick boot and it seems to be working so far, have reset the computer several times without a bios reset - I'll report back on this in a couple of days...
nice catch with the quick boot, but I dont have the problem so I cant confirm lol :/
Yeah, your memory is running at 882mhz in that screenshot.. dont worry about what the BIOS says because it is just reading the default values and telling you what you have ;)
nice one, disabling quickboot now..
If i have a TJmax of 100C, is it safe to run 55c idle 70c load?? that is with vcore at 1.35
normal voltage is 44c Idle 60c Load @ 3.6ghz.
First thing I did was disable quick boot, and it doesn't help at all lol. Good thing I never reboot.
He guys, what is your BIOS date of the 0401 in Everest?
Mine says 07/22/08 ???
BTW: the memorytimings are set by the BIOS to 5-5-5-15. However @400 the Kingston should have 5-5-5-18. So maybe the memory timings are to tight, hence no boot at FSB 400?
No, 5-5-5-15 is ok.
Try raising your FSB in WIndows using SetFSB until it freezes... PLL to use is the 2nd or 3rd from the top on the list if I recall correctly.
whats ur vcore?
Well we don't know how much FSB those L CPUs can handle. Maybe it's a CPU FSB hardlimit. Try using a 6x multiplier for testing out max FSB...
i was just asking, my wall was overcame when i went to 1.35vcore..
highest i could get to boot was 445, but it was buggy, 440 was stable at 1.35vcore.. 1.35mch, 1.86 dimm
Vcore is not the deciding factor here, but VTT is (which you currently can't adjust). I run 451*9 with 1,24V load Vcore, that is 0,01V below stock voltage. Guess I got really lucky with my chips...
I can bench at FSB 461, 462-463 freezes. Dunno if it's the mobo or CPU's limit, guessing the CPUs tho.
The nice thing about overclocking these DP Xeons are they're the best-binned chips, meaning you'll get "lucky" a whole heck of a lot more often. ANyways--very nice overclocking.
Yeah, they are better than any and all desktop Quads I have used in customer builds (around 50 this year) so go figure...
If the dual Gainestown is not overclockable (I'll assume 3.2GHz stock), I wonder whether it'll be faster than the overclockable Harpertown Skulltrail@4GHz+. Here's quick and dirty calculation: Let's say, on some benchmark, 8cores is 80% faster than 4cores, and 4.0GHz is 25% faster than 3.2 GHz, and 8core Harper@4GHz is 50% faster than 4core Nehalem@4GHz, then 8core Harper would be slightly faster(~4%) than 8core Nehalem.Quote:
dual Core i7 boards aren't available from Asus yet, I heard that overclocking is limited
They will be overclockable. Gainstowns use the exact same scheme as "normal" i7 CPUs, BCLK of 133 with varying multipliers and QPI link speeds. You can put a Gainstown into a normal single-socket lga1366 mobo and it works, but only the Gainstown has a 2nd QPI interlink node (or something like that) that enables it to communicate directly with another gainstown when you got a dual socket mobo.
Problem is, Intel ran into a kind of TLB bug with i7 as well which can occur after >2 weeks of uptime (just like AMD with the early phenoms) which is why the DP Xeons are postponed until Q1/2 09.
And yes, Gainstown will be faster than Dual Harpertown, even at lower clockspeeds. For once, theoretically, you shouldn't lose any speed when compared to 2x the single CPU setup, because the old bottleneck called FSB is no more. Plus the new architecture is rigorously optimized for multi-threading and multi-CPU environments, the "dual" QPI bus of the Gainstown CPU just being one of many features.
Installed my Thermalright HR01-X coolers (thanks jcool) today on the Asus Z7S.
Now the system won't boot :(
Diagnostic card says F.F. (with dots)
:shrug:
F.F. stands for double-f'd...
I had this before I bought my EPS power supply so it could be related to a miss-configured or poorly connected power cable, but also I figured out I had my memory in the wrong slots! Try taking out all your memory and see if you get a different status code, if you do, put just one module in nearest the northbridge, that worked for me and it was then I figured I was populating the memory slots from left to right, and it should be from right to left!
Regards
Andrew
I've tried several videocards and different memory configs.
Doesn't work , still F.F. on the display and no post.
Jaco isn't a noob dealing with this hardware, so it's not the wrong memory slot, psu not connected etc. Must be either the coolers causing a short or the mobo bending too much.. I don't see how you could have killed it though just by installing the new coolers.
Did you mount them in a case where they are mounted to the mobo tray?
jcool , I'm not using a case. I have these verax backplates . No motherboard bending at all.
try swapping the cpu's around, see if CPU0 is dead??
are those backplates metal? might be shorting out.
The backplates are not conductive plus I have been using those for the last half year without any problem.
I have removed cpu1 but no improvement. Display shows F.F. ,nothing else.
I'm going to swap the cpu's and try my other cooler again.
Doesn't look very good, I have a feeling the board's dead :shrug:
pull battery, and elec cord, reset CMOS?
Delta Tjmax @prime = 25C, So temps according to Coretemp with TJmax at 75C = 50C.
Intel published the Tjmax of the L54xx even at 70C (I cannot believe that)
But at idle with a room temp at 19C, the coretemps are 30C (delta Tjmax = 45C) with Coretemp, TJmax at 75C. Sounds acceptable, however I understand the temp probes are not accurate up to 50C.
And YES, I'm my rig is watercooled.
Now back to testing, I tried 1x 2Gb Fbdimm, no change :mad:
I tried Vcore 1,26 and 1,30V, no success.
I have my memory cooled (runnning at 50C), my NB cooled (90mm fan).
I think it's the memory.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone with 800Mhz FBdimms :shrug: to test, so for the moment I'm stuck ;-(
I can believe that. Only when I set my Tj. Max to 70c do my CPUs report virtually the same idle temperatures as my idle GPU, which is what I would expect as they are in the same water cooled loop. I thought the temperatures looked high with Tj. Max at 80c as they were showing in the 40s and my office is cold. If they were really in the 40s then they should be pulling up the temperature of the GPU. The temperatures are also now in relative agreement with Asus PC Probe...
This is the reason I went with the 50W CPUs...nice and cool and cost-saving. It's a shame you haven't been able to get the same results with the L5410s - I guess it's too late to change them for L5420s?
Just discovered when awaking from S3 Sleep the bios is reset to default ?!?
My FSB is reset to 333 etc..
Can anyone confirm having same issue ?
pc never sleeps, it always crunches, so cant tell ya if thats true..
Same here.. S3 is for losers :D
I'm afraid my board is in a deep sleep . Hope i can wake it up somehow ...
Just testing :rolleyes:, you all passed, nobody is sleeping :cool:
:poke: I must have been...sleepin'
Hello.
I'm totally new to Xtreme Systems. I just started my education as a Constructing Architect. We work with CAD and BIM, and i needed a new system that could handle the workload of running up to 3 3D programs at once. This is how i came to XS. As you can see in my sig, my system is similar to some on this thread. I tried to boot for the first time last week but got the same F.F. code, as Jaco gets, on the diagnostics card. Then i found out that it was cause my 1st power supply (NQ giant reactor) only had 2 power connectors for the MB. Ok, changed it to the Tagan 1100-BZ. Now i get past F.F. at least. It goes to F.0. and then 8.0., but gets stuck at E.1. and the manual is absolutely useless when it comes to the diagnostics codes and ASUS is just as useless when it comes to replying to the mails you send them. My MB is Rev. 1.03, so it should support the Xeons(E5420). Does somebody know what these codes mean?
I would very much appreciate some help.
How do i register for WCG? Would very much like to contribute to such a great cause. My system wouldn't run 24/7, but it normally runs about 8-10 hours a day, if that would help?
Every hour spent running helps. ;)
Hum.. can't recall what E.1. is really.
As you already realized, you need both the 8pin 12V and the 4pin 12V connected to the mobo if you have 2 CPUs in it, or it won't start at all.
Now, try removing all your memory except 1 stick in slot 0 (the one closest to the northbridge/cpu sockets) and try again. Also clear CMOS and try another GFX card if you have one.
Post codes for AMI and Award
E1, E2, 12, 24, 25 DMA/IRQ controller
asus Z7S ordered also with 4x1 gig Kingston HyperX DDR2-800FBDimms
X5460's waiting to go in it and WC all ready for this.
Now as long as they don't ship me a dead one..:rolleyes:
Ok, so what does that mean? Is there a problem with the keyboard or mouse?
Like i said, i'm totaly new to this. Will try to clear CMOS and only install one ram module and yes, i have all 3 power connectors connected, 24pin 8pin 4pin. Thanks for the advice so far.
You didn't go for that super expensive CL4 stuff now did you? :shakes:
It's useless on the Z7S because
a) you can't set Ram timings, it just uses 5-5-5-15
b) you can't adjust Vdimm above 1,9V and you don't need to
Any 2GB 800Mhz stick will run 900Mhz on the Z7S...
You can have 4x2GB for less than that ;)
But ... but ... his e-peen!! :eek:
Yeah lol usually I have exactly 7,3GB free on my Octacore (XP x64) :ROTF:
Whatever, maybe the new BOINC version uses 1GB per thread, you never know - and you can never have too much ram :up:
FSB 440 is for amateurs.. :D 450x9,5 is the real deal and yes, your setup is gonna do that without breaking a sweat. Highest I can prime is FSB 452, turned it down a notch for the sake of months' uptime ;)
I bet they'd do 4,5Ghz :up:
Though not even remotely close to 8*4,2Ghz in PPD...
No idea what BIOS it came with, as i can't get into BIOS. I saw a list of compatible CPU's and the E5420 is supported from Rev. 1.03 and onwards, mine is Rev.1.03. I have asked the Asus Tech department what BIOS this board shipped with, but haven't received a reply yet. I haven't had time to try to replace the GPU and install only 1 stick of RAM yet. Will try tonight.
Thx so far.
PS. By the way, am i in the right forum?
well technically the general hardware forum would be better, but this is the best thread to ask in so it works ;)
Hey Jaco, have you solved your FF problem? Found this list on post codes, hope it helps.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ght=post+codes
http://worldcommunitygrid.org/
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First off, WELCOME TO THE TEAM! :welcome: :toast:
There's a good bunch of folks here, and I dare say, some of the best computer experts on the planet. Coming here to ask your dually question was actually very smart on your part, or perhaps providence. We never seem to take offense about staying on topic. In fact, if we don't go OT in less than about 8 posts, something is wrong....:rofl: Not too many on the other parts of the forum run duals.... Some of the folks here helped me through my dually growing pains. :up::clap: (I'm running a SuperMicro rig so I can't help much on your Asus issue.)
Bobsama beat me to the post, but here's a couple of links to our stickies that are very good info for setup and tips on how to manage this animal.
This link is the starter link to all topics WCG. This first link on this thread takes you right to the signup page on WCG's website. I'm assuming you already know kind of how this works. We load the BOINC client app on our machines and attach to the WCG work servers. The servers automatically give us work based on the preferences we set up in our accounts. It is pretty automatic and the BOINC client app is pretty well behaved so that it gets out of your way when you are doing work on your machine. Most of us even game on our rigs while BOINC is running. It just hides out of the way until you are done.
This link, started by our esteemed teammate Sierra, is outstanding after you get going and need to customize how your machine(s) is/are operating.
I would highly suggest you attach yourself to this team, XtremeSystems. You can sign up independently if you wish, but we can help better if you run into problems since we will be easily able to see your stats on our team pages. (More on that when it becomes time.)
Of course, your total will add to the grand total for the team, as well as your individual score. Most of us are not about "score" and do not do this for scores. There is plenty of good natured kidding about it, and some rivalry, but that is only because you'll find that crunching steady for a long time is about as exciting as watching grass grow. So, we have some fun with the scores and the general company we keep here.
I kind of liken participating with this group to the show "MASH". It could be as funny as heck one moment, and serious as a heart attack the next. I think you will see this, if you haven't already.
Feel free to start you own thread on any issues you are having getting started here. We are here to help.
Again, WELCOME!!
Regards,
Bob
Nice book Bob :stick: :D
:welcome: to the team angelshonnny
I'm nothing if not complete sometimes......Talked to Dave for over an hour yesterday, he needed to hang up first....:eek: Must be the new admin responsibilities taking up his time now. :ROTF: (As always Dave, it was a pleasure. :up:)
Just :cord: me if I need it....
Bob
Just tested my ram in another system. Both modules are DEAD:mad: Will RMA tomorrow, problem is that it was specially ordered and took 3 weeks to get to me. It is basically impossible to get hold of FB DIMM in Denmark, unless you wanna buy Cert. Apple modules, wich cost 3 times as much as Kingston. Do any of you know of a reputable webshop here in Europe that stocks this stuff? I found a few shops, but think it so risky to order from a shop in another country, unless it's recommended.
TecToo.de fx. have 4gb kit for for less than i can get in for Denmark.
I can get FBDimm for pretty reasonable prices :)
You can ask around here, most EU guys have bought something off me (yes, my job is building custom computers ;) ). Usually I buy Transcend or Buffalo with Mac style heatsinks, but I got something new: Compustocx 2GB 800Mhz FBDimms with flat heatspreaders, 45€ a piece (as many as you need) :up: