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Bobsama: You just confused me even more. :rolleyes: I not dense. Really. ;) This is way more confusing than F@H. WTF is RAC? What is a credit target? What changes if I set one? Is there a way to convert WCG points to Boinc points? The 2nd link told me nothing. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Please extrapolate. :)
Edit: Ummm... this is WCG what does Boinc have to do with anything???:confused:
For maximum WCG points, you want your CPUs set to use 100% of cores, 100% of the time, keep working while the system is in use, do not suspend no matter what % the CPU goes over, in the BIOS turn off any power saving/throttling functions, turn off the screen-saver (just set the monitor to turn off) and that about covers it for all the basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
It stands for Recent Average CreditQuote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Ignore that. It's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Points earned with WCG will show up like this: every 7 WCG points earns you 1 (one) BOINC point and vice versa, 1 BOINC equals 7 WCG. Boinc points appear on BOINC stats sites, WCG points only appear on the WCG site.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
BOINC is the software they use to manage the data.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Alright.
1 BOINC point = 7 WCG points
WCG used to use a different points system when they had their own client. They stopped developing their own client and made a switch to using the BOINC client years ago.
The only place to see WCG points is on WCG's site. Otherwise, most DC stat sites (like BOINCstats & Free-DC) will display your BOINC points. What I linked to on the top is your own page on BOINCstats; it's statistics for just yourself. The Credit Target & Date Target are quick little calculators that estimate (based on your daily production) when you'll reach a points target (for example; you'll reach 100,000 BOINC points in 9.61 days--13 Nov 2010) or about how many points you'll have on a certain day (for example; you'll have about 318,000 BOINC points on Christmas Eve).
RAC stands for Recent Average Credit. It's scraped from WCG--the last week's production if I'm not mistaken. Then there's BS-RAC, which is BOINCstat's own calculation based on 8 weeks of production (if I'm not mistaken).
Remember, 1 BOINC = 7 WCG, so your 37,409 BOINC points equal about 261,863 WCG points. You get both at the same time. In addition, when you're on the Statistics page in BOINC Manager, you see your BOINC points.
BOINC is the Berkley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing. Like Sparky said, it's the software used to manage both the server end where they hand out the work units, collect them back and tally results, as well as the client end where it manages the actual science applications that do the work, handles communications, benchmarking and local control.
There are possibly hundreds of separate projects that can be "plugged into" the BOINC system, which is what you do when you "attach" to a project. WCG is just one of those projects.
D A: Thanks done it already. ;) My confusion lies in the fact this is Super Computer Week. I joined to help this points push. You can see my WCG points total over 100K ppd. Why is the Pie thread specifically targeted to Boinc points? Shouldn't Boinc points be considered a separate project and have it's own forum if WCG points aren't Boinc? Someone please connect the dots. None of it makes sense to new members. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Edit: Are my points going to the right place to help Super Computer Week? This hasn't been answered yet.:(
No BOINC is tied to WCG as it is the software they use. A BOINC point is "generic" in one sense, it isn't an actual DC project in of itself.
The reason for the pie thread to be tied to BOINC points is the pie thread originated by using the stats.free-dc.org site. And over there, they are using reported BOINC points, not WCG points. Why, I don't know. But because of that, the pie coming from there is in BOINC points.
When SAM started doing the pie each day, he started making his own pie charts. However, to keep it in the same format as how the thread had been previously, he kept using the BOINC points.
Our overall numbers thread, and general chit-chat stuff is in WCG points for the most part. I think this thread is really the only "odd-man out" so to speak. But again, that has to do with its origin.
Yeah I agree it is a little on the confusing side at times.
Yes, your points are going to the right place. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Thanks for helping Sparky. So do I need to pick one project and one project only for 100% of points to be Boinc and WCG???? I'd say instructions for newbs were fubar for this points push.:down: I still don't know if I'm helping. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
On your WCG project page, all those projects count towards WCG. BOINC will process them all. Think of those projects on the WCG page as "sub-projects" in a sense. They are all under the main project WCG, and all get credited to your WCG total. And BOINC credit will always follow suit as BOINC is what is handling the processing for WCG.
If you are using BOINC then everything you do will earn you BOINC points. If you want to be earning WCG points then you need to be connected to the WCG project. If you want to earn the MOST WCG points you can then make sure you are ONLY connected to the WCG project.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Here's a screenshot of my projects page in the BOINC manager:
Attachment 109138
If you have any other projects listed there then your work will be distributed between them to varying degrees. If you only have the one, like mine, then all of your work is going to WCG.
You can pick any project through WCG that fits your taste and DA already stated that your points are going in the right place and YOU are helping.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
These days it takes a crap load of cores to get pie :(
I run strictly HCC/HFCC. I'm all about cancer, but I do contribute to some of the others at times.
I do not recall but I think 1 project will get a bunch of errors under win7 and most likely vista. Every time I run it the wu's error out a lot and is not worth my time.
Hope this helps.
to make it easy: boinc or WCG are one in the same. When you look at your production under WCG page; divide your daily total by 7 to get a rough estimate of your daily boinc points which you can comepare for the pie thread
Ok, think of it like this:
Consider BOINC like a delivery truck. You get BOINC points (miles driven) for every trip that truck makes. Obviously you can't make a delivery without packages, so let's consider the work units that get done to be those packages and the projects (ie WCG) they belong to as the addresses each package goes to.
If you only deliver packages to one address then the points you get for all the deliveries to that address will be the same as the points you get for every delivery the truck makes. If you are making deliveries to more than one address (say you're delivering to Milkyway@Home, Primegrid and Rosetta@Home as well as WCG) then the truck will do more miles getting to all the addresses than it does just getting to the WCG address. The total BOINC points (miles on the truck) will be a lot more than the deliveries you've made to any one project.
I'll try to make it a bit more competitive next week, unfortunately after XS - SC week #2. I'm happy to share some pie and friendly competition against Hypernova, with his incredible collection of computers i'm just lucky to be even in the same league :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
The daily pie charts here aren't that formal. As far as 'gold standard' its really up to whom ever post to pick the source they want. I think the 'pie' reference started with Free-DC stats who puts a Pie chart of the top 10 daily team producers and top 10 team overall. http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...bwcg&team=8674. We have used Free-DC stats for a long time because they automatically make the PIE graphic and we just borrowed it and posted it in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Recently SAM our keeper of the PIE has been using boinc stats and generating his own custom graphic daily! :up: I think this is a good idea for a few reasons. Boincstats does their daily update at ~1:30pm EST and 6:30pm GMT and is very consistent with the update time; free-dc is inconsistant and often does their last daily update at 1:00am - 4:30am EST. Less reliable and less convinent for the majority of our users whom are in Europe and North America. WCG is a good place for daily numbers but their information is hard to sort by team member daily output so it makes generating a pie chart hard. Also WCG updates at 9:15pm EST or 2:15am GMT and 3:15am CET so very untimely for majority of our users. So, to SAM, keeper of the pie :toast:
Which stats site you choose to look at really won't matter in the long run, all credit the same points the only differences are in how each site times a day and reports the information. Rarely does the time difference make a difference in daily placement, and if it does our tradition is to settle any disputes with a tradiational 10 pace pistol duel :rofl:
I browse free-dc for the better reporting of averages and more detailed host reporting and here for SAM's info from boinc stats and I also check WCG totals at night or in the mornings if I miss the night before, good for project run times and quickie WCG point conversion or project specific run times or returned results and the likes.
Thanks to all those posting! :) Just got off the phone with Dave. He made things crystal clear for me. ;) Grasshopper is learning. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
After returning from the hospital WFO will probably regain 90-95% of his hearing.Quote:
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The cause of this sudden loss of hearing is unknown but the Dr's are looking into it...:sofa:
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Yummie.. blueberry pie! Gonna drop down a little though - sold the i7 970 rig...