The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

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03-12-2010, 04:47 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by Behemot

About the RV770, whole chip was screwed in terms of power consumption...RV670 was pretty good at idle, RV770 sucked and RV870 follows the good RV670 tradition now...:up:

IIRC, not all the RV770s had high power draw on idle (4850 used GDDR3).
So it's not the chip itself, but the memory controller that couldn't put the GDDR5 in a lower consumption mode.

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

So in the end it seems it's going to be a repeat of RV770 against GT200 this generation again with Cypress vs Fermi, but with the GeForce part coming into the battle with a 6+ months delay and probably a diminished availability due to manufacturing difficulties with 40nm process. Isn't it?

And ATI already has the dual gpu solution on the market.
03-12-2010, 04:48 AM
cowie

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Nvidia's Fermi is naked and pictured

http://www.techeye.net/hardware/nvid...d-and-pictured

lol naked you mean without a box? those pics are rated g, even in a dark room no less.:p:
03-12-2010, 04:49 AM
Behemot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotrsama

IIRC, not all the RV770s had high power draw on idle (4850 used GDDR3).
So it's not the chip itself, but the memory controller that couldn't put the GDDR5 in a lower consumption mode.

True, but you couldn't underclock the GPU at all. RV670 runs on lower than 300 MHz. I remember some people run on even lower voltage and clocks :up:
03-12-2010, 04:50 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Nvidia's Fermi is naked and pictured

http://www.techeye.net/hardware/nvid...d-and-pictured

Thanks for the article OTH, but those pics suck :D
I thought we were going to see the die and stuff like that.

Just a bunch of pics like this one:
http://www.techeye.net/assets/upload...rmi/Fermi2.JPG
03-12-2010, 04:57 AM
RaV[666]

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True, but you couldn't underclock the GPU at all. RV670 runs on lower than 300 MHz. I remember some people run on even lower voltage and clocks

Im running my 4850 at 200mhz clock idle for gpu and 500mhz for ram ;-)
03-12-2010, 05:08 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

Nvidia's Fermi is naked and pictured

http://www.techeye.net/hardware/nvid...d-and-pictured

Fermi in steel cloths :ROTF:
03-12-2010, 05:46 AM
Kaotik

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Originally Posted by Behemot

True, but you couldn't underclock the GPU at all. RV670 runs on lower than 300 MHz. I remember some people run on even lower voltage and clocks :up:

Can't remember for sure which AIB it was (thinking it was MSI), but one released BIOS for HD4850 with 160MHz 2D clocks for the core, can't remember memclocks but probably between 400-600MHz
03-12-2010, 06:02 AM
Behemot

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Originally Posted by Kaotik

Can't remember for sure which AIB it was (thinking it was MSI), but one released BIOS for HD4850 with 160MHz 2D clocks for the core, can't remember memclocks but probably between 400-600MHz

I remember, too, thought it was something liek 500 MHz core only.

But you're right, I looked at Tech Power Up and it was indeed 160 MHz/500 MHz. The question is how much it impacted power consumption, I think RV670 disabled some parts of core if not needed (Power Play), too.
03-12-2010, 06:08 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Fermi in steel cloths :ROTF:

Chastity belt... :(
03-12-2010, 06:22 AM
Jokester_wild

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Chastity belt... :(

1920's :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
03-12-2010, 06:24 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by saaya

:rolleyes:

So you haven't? Thought so....

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

And ATI already has the dual gpu solution on the market.

Exactly. So expect every slide to say fastest "GPU" or something of the sort to indicate single-GPU. They won't be able to promote having the fastest graphics card so will have to settle for cherry picked situations where their hardware does well.
03-12-2010, 07:23 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Behemot

I mean usually the company shows samples of the cards on some event (some Analysts day, computer show or so) and than 1-2 month later they release final version. If memory serves me well, NVIDIA did not officialy showed anything. They'll show it together with release? :shrug: So I think there will be gap between the release and cards actually on stock.

About the RV770, whole chip was screwed in terms of power consumption...RV670 was pretty good at idle, RV770 sucked and RV870 follows the good RV670 tradition now...:up:

hmmm idk, i think there were no gtx280 leaks, at least not public ones, before the launch... it was a real launch with no detailled infos before launch, then they showed the cards, reviews popped up and cards were in retail within only 1-2 weeks iirc...

and yeah, add to that how R600 had completely broken power management as well and theres a weird tick tock pattern in atis power management logic ^^ they seem to break it with every other new release hahah

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

So in the end it seems it's going to be a repeat of RV770 against GT200 this generation again with Cypress vs Fermi, but with the GeForce part coming into the battle with a 6+ months delay and probably a diminished availability due to manufacturing difficulties with 40nm process. Isn't it?

well, 6+ months late, low availability, and apparently a much smaller perf gap between the red and green cards this time around.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

So you haven't? Thought so....

obviously not... whats your point?
03-12-2010, 08:30 AM
johnieboy

:rofl:

german ebay: Colorful GTX 480 "Einmaliges Angebot!"

me and several other people already reported the auction to be beguilement.
Seems this guy somehow got the GTX 480 case from Cebit and is now trying to get some money out of it :brick: There are no photos of the card itself, guess why :D

I think the auction will be offline soon, so i made a screenshot ;)

http://www.abload.de/img/ebayauy2.png

Quote:

~~~TOP-OFFER~~~UNIQUE!!!~~~~

I have been at the Cebit last week and talked and negotiated with several people. Through my good contacts i finally got this puppy. Because I actually don´t need it i am selling it now.

I wish you lots of fun while bidding:)

~~~TOP-OFFER~~~UNIQUE!!!~~~~
03-12-2010, 08:32 AM
DosDuoNo

Fermi is Almost Here !!!
http://media.bigoo.ws/content/clip/dance/dance_81.gif http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i.../Old-Man-1.gif http://media.bigoo.ws/content/clip/dance/dance_81.gif

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4710/2zyaddv.jpg
03-12-2010, 08:32 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by saaya

obviously not... whats your point?

Weren't you saying that the 470 needs higher clocks in order to compete with HD5870? How can say that if you don't know what the 470 will be clocked at in the first place or what performance would be at those settings?
03-12-2010, 08:33 AM
saaya

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Seems this guy somehow got the GTX 480 case from Cebit

somehow? im prety sure he stole it at the end of the show when they tore the booth apart ;)

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Originally Posted by DosDuoNo

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4710/2zyaddv.jpg

hahah awesome :D

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Weren't you saying that the 470 needs higher clocks in order to compete with HD5870? How can say that if you don't know what the 470 will be clocked at in the first place or what performance would be at those settings?

i said that based on the numbers that were leaked the 470 seems to need every bit of perf. why are you so hostile?

100 pages... fermi thread part3 soon?
even before the launch? :D
03-12-2010, 08:34 AM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by RaV[666]

Im running my 4850 at 200mhz clock idle for gpu and 500mhz for ram ;-)

Thats roughly what I set mine to run at along with a notch lower voltage but idle power consumption barely even changed, was something like 5 watts difference. Thats about as low as it will clock on gpu and mem without getting crazy artifacts as well so it wasn't really worth it for the 4850, at least in my case.
03-12-2010, 08:43 AM
johnieboy

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Originally Posted by saaya

somehow? im prety sure he stole it at the end of the show when they tore the booth apart ;)

maybe, but not necessarily. Maybe he just asked if he can have the case and they gave it to him, simpy because it just was an empty case :D

thats why i wrote "somehow"

But you clearly should not bid in this auction ;)
03-12-2010, 08:49 AM
trinibwoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

i said that based on the numbers that were leaked the 470 seems to need every bit of perf. why are you so hostile?

I thought you were referring to the 1000Mhz driver leak? I'm not hostile. I just don't use as many emoticons as you do ;)
03-12-2010, 09:06 AM
Zed_X

Final spec of GTX 470 are here long time ago, but nobody here trust them! Look at chinese leaked spec of their ES card! That is final spec!

I cant tell exactly, but 6xx/12xx/3xxx is that you looking for :)
03-12-2010, 09:16 AM
trinibwoy

Can't remember what leak that was. 625/1250/3200?
03-12-2010, 09:25 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

can't remember what leak that was. 625/1250/3200?

3600
03-12-2010, 09:51 AM
iTravis

We're just 2 weeks away from launch yet haven't seen any true benchmarks or previews, when will the NDA be lifted?
03-12-2010, 10:14 AM
***Deimos***

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Originally Posted by ~CS~

There is only one box , other boxes in the pic are different.10 cards per box ? We have 10 cards to ship ?

12 cardboard boxes x 10 cards/box = 120 cards at least. Remember, ASUS and EVGA also have 100+ cards ;)

Show off nice shiny boxes - check!

Prove wont be paper launch - check!

Reassure that Fermi cards dont require special forklift to lift them - check!
03-12-2010, 10:24 AM
HelixPC

Fermi, oh where art thou Fermi

ok, so gtx 480 has 512 cuda cores? has this been confirmed, or is it 480?

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