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08-20-2009, 05:42 PM
Hoss331

Ive heard sometimes win7 will cause it so try it in vista or xp if you have them. My xeon always got rejected no matter what clock it was at in vista and win7, havent tried in xp yet though.
08-20-2009, 05:48 PM
OC Nub

Don't have an install of xp or vista. May have to install to get validated. In version 1.52 the "Validation" Is grayed out. I guess it is w7 causing the problem.
08-20-2009, 05:53 PM
Hoss331

If you get the final 1.52 "validate" is not greyed out. :up: Maybe its not win7 or atleast not 7600, just tried the xeon and it validated for the first time. :shrug:
08-20-2009, 06:50 PM
OC Nub

Thanks guys :up:, works now.
08-20-2009, 09:43 PM
thebluemeanie1

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

very hard to boot over 530 ??

2x q9650 545fsb windows booted + validation @ 4.9ghz on air.. no easytune

1.2125vid: lower vcore @ higher temps
1.2500vid: higher vcore @ lower temps

both air cooled by the same ifx14

havent checked but i think its still the wr on air

Your air cooling kicks my water "coolings" A**.:rofl:

4.9Ghz idle will be around 60C and with any load it goes straight to 80-90C+.
08-21-2009, 04:06 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1

Your air cooling kicks my water "coolings" A**.:rofl:

4.9Ghz idle will be around 60C and with any load it goes straight to 80-90C+.

:rofl: same here but just managed to boot at 4815 not more, idles at 50+ you can see it on my screen i posted lol
08-21-2009, 05:11 AM
vws

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Ok fair enough, I shouldn't have said "that's what intel state". I should have said "that's what it appears to mean in my opinion".

So it's your 'job' to quash 'rumors'? Interesting reason to frequent a forum. No, I have not created a rumor. A rumor is not a rumor until misinformation has been passed between multiple individuals/circulates from person to person. I made a statement that you disagree with. If you are going to be descriptive at least be accurate. Hypocrisy and exaggeration will not help you here. While I'm taking my basic EE classes, you might like to take some classes of your own, after which you may be able to communicate more clearly.

"So please don't elude the conversation to other relevant subjects" doesn't quite make sense. If you do mean "elude" then no, I did not escape the conversation to other topics (I actually drew a relevant topic into the conversation), and if you mean "allude", which makes somewhat more sense, what I referenced was relevant and I am well within my rights to do so. If you want to avoid embarrassment yourself, speaking properly and making sense whilst making criticisms would be a start.

The Vcc vs Icc figure note "Adherence to this loadline specification is required to ensure reliable processor operation", to me, appears to echo the earlier statement of "Within functional operation limits, functionality and long-term reliability can be expected". I didn't say that was a fact, I said it was my opinion, which I believe you said earlier was welcome. So what, before it was, and now it's not?

Again, I made those statements for which you call me "helplessly clueless" and clearly said they were my opinion, which in your own words, I'm entitled to have. What a difference to your opinion 2 minutes makes.

As I said earlier, I made that statement as a short answer to give a guideline (made with interpretation or not) to a guy asking for an approximate safe upper limit.

I think it's in everyone's best interests if we leave this here. There is nothing more to be gained from further discussion.

Whoa there! I already quashed your false statements down one after another on technical ground and also got you to admit your mistake, so what's the yapping about?

Having trouble handling the truth? I described precisely what you're doing: fleeing from one defeated subject to another. Can't tell what you pulled was all irrelevant? Well finish your EE classes first by listening and learning than yapping! And now you want to pick up yet another fight after having lost all the technical debates, but c'mon, in English writing? How relevant is that to this topic and this thread? You just added more evidence to my precise description above.

So what's next after your English writing fight? Are you gonna argue "My dad is better than your dad"? How far off-topic do you want to drag this thread down? Looks like you're not only a rumor maker, you're a troll! You see, you just repeatedly proved you're helplessly clueless as you don't even know what forum you're trolling around yet you troll no matter what. :down:

A rumor is a rumor. You showed that you loved fabricating it and enjoyed sharing it among your circle. Now, you don't see your baby rumor circulating anymore that's probably because I have effectively killed it at its early stage. Feeling disappointed? Don't worry, with your special talent I'm sure you will have no problem fabricating tons more for the rest of your life. Keep up the good work.

And geez, do you even have an iota of idea of what a datasheet is? Datasheet and Specs are the type of documents written to offer clear-cut and unquestionable info for the targeted designers to directly follow or comply, with the least possible amount of confusion or room for interpretation. They are not meant for open debate, as you either understand these documents or you don't! Since you've shown much trouble "interpreting" statements from such document, that only means you don't have the required knowledge to understand the datasheet at all!

Now, the fact that you don't have the knowledge to understand the Intel datasheet, and yet you still brazenly made false assertion which you claimed coming directly from Intel, constitutes lying and that makes you an impostor as well. Liar or impostor's opinion is not welcome here. And they are not entitled to misinforming or misleading the public, either. :down:

No wonder you can't tell what's relevant and what's irrelevant to this subject, as you essentially can't read the datasheet. As an impostor who would do whatever just so you can "sound smart" on a technical board, you have been exposed miserably. Stop wasting everyone's time and the forum resource here. You're pissing a lot of people off when they just learned what they took from you was all but false info - an apology is overdue for them. It's in everyone's best interest if you stop posting baseless crap and stop trolling. And you'd better hope that you won't die of quack doctor seeing what you have done in life.
08-21-2009, 07:51 AM
terroristone

:shocked::shocked::eek::eek: deep breath! geeee, well written.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vws

Whoa there! I already quashed your false statements down one after another on technical ground and also got you to admit your mistake, so what's the yapping about?

Having trouble handling the truth? I described precisely what you're doing: fleeing from one defeated subject to another. Can't tell what you pulled was all irrelevant? Well finish your EE classes first by listening and learning than yapping! And now you want to pick up yet another fight after having lost all the technical debates, but c'mon, in English writing? How relevant is that to this topic and this thread? You just added more evidence to my precise description above.

So what's next after your English writing fight? Are you gonna argue "My dad is better than your dad"? How far off-topic do you want to drag this thread down? Looks like you're not only a rumor maker, you're a troll! You see, you just repeatedly proved you're helplessly clueless as you don't even know what forum you're trolling around yet you troll no matter what. :down:

A rumor is a rumor. You showed that you loved fabricating it and enjoyed sharing it among your circle. Now, you don't see your baby rumor circulating anymore that's probably because I have effectively killed it at its early stage. Feeling disappointed? Don't worry, with your special talent I'm sure you will have no problem fabricating tons more for the rest of your life. Keep up the good work.

And geez, do you even have an iota of idea of what a datasheet is? Datasheet and Specs are the type of documents written to offer clear-cut and unquestionable info for the targeted designers to directly follow or comply, with the least possible amount of confusion or room for interpretation. They are not meant for open debate, as you either understand these documents or you don't! Since you've shown much trouble "interpreting" statements from such document, that only means you don't have the required knowledge to understand the datasheet at all!

Now, the fact that you don't have the knowledge to understand the Intel datasheet, and yet you still brazenly made false assertion which you claimed coming directly from Intel, constitutes lying and that makes you an impostor as well. Liar or impostor's opinion is not welcome here. And they are not entitled to misinforming or misleading the public, either. :down:

No wonder you can't tell what's relevant and what's irrelevant to this subject, as you essentially can't read the datasheet. As an impostor who would do whatever just so you can "sound smart" on a technical board, you have been exposed miserably. Stop wasting everyone's time and the forum resource here. You're pissing a lot of people off when they just learned what they took from you was all but false info - an apology is overdue for them. It's in everyone's best interest if you stop posting baseless crap and stop trolling. And you'd better hope that you won't die of quack doctor seeing what you have done in life.
08-21-2009, 08:40 AM
OC Nub

Highest I have been able to boot is 535x9 in w7-64, but managed to get up to 540x9 4860mhz using et6. Anything higher causes me to lockup in a few seconds. If I get time I will install vista 32 or xp pro this weekend and go for higher. I think 4900mhz+ is very doable with this chip.
08-21-2009, 09:11 AM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1

Your air cooling kicks my water "coolings" A**.:rofl:

4.9Ghz idle will be around 60C and with any load it goes straight to 80-90C+.

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

:rofl: same here but just managed to boot at 4815 not more, idles at 50+ you can see it on my screen i posted lol

yeh what you guys do on water i do on air :shrug:

thus all my results/claims are BS :up:

:toast:
08-21-2009, 12:18 PM
OC Nub

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

yeh what you guys do on water i do on air :shrug:

thus all my results/claims are BS :up:

:toast:

I doubt ANYONE thinks your claims/results are BS, most have not been able to achieve what you have on air for whatever reason, be it skills, hardware or both.
The settings you posted sure help with my max oc. Thanks :up:
08-21-2009, 01:10 PM
zsamz_

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i know its not great but tough gettin rex to pass 500fsb stable
08-21-2009, 01:46 PM
Ashraf

CryptiK and vws, since you two can't agree each other's statement, can you guys just get moving on? Thanks.
08-21-2009, 10:54 PM
thebluemeanie1

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

yeh what you guys do on water i do on air :shrug:

thus all my results/claims are BS :up:

:toast:

If I didn't believe you I would be living a boring 400FSB/1.35VTT life instead of a rockin' 546FSB life.:cool:
08-22-2009, 09:16 PM
ViViD

Hey Guys Got UD3R Today :up:

Finnaly Sold Old Dirty DFI:rolleyes:

Some Test Few Next Day:yepp:
08-23-2009, 08:12 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViViD

Hey Guys Got UD3R Today :up:

Finnaly Sold Old Dirty DFI:rolleyes:

Some Test Few Next Day:yepp:

congrats mate :up: wellcome to the giga world you will enjoy :D
08-23-2009, 09:00 AM
OC Nub

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViViD

Hey Guys Got UD3R Today :up:

Finnaly Sold Old Dirty DFI:rolleyes:

Some Test Few Next Day:yepp:

Congrats Vivid :up:
08-23-2009, 09:58 AM
bigwill68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne

But you're pretty much able to raise voltage up to the highest vid range for the processor line without risking any damage.

that's the same for the 65nm chips also right? even they max out at a higher voltage of 1.5v not 1.362v like the 45nm do... i'm just asking everybody knows more voltage comes more heat and that's what kills a cpu it's like running a engine in a car with no antifreeze or bad thermostat the block will
crack and lockup the same with these cpu's and heat produces wear and that produces short life...:yepp:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViViD

Finnaly Sold Old Dirty DFI:rolleyes:

Congrats...I wish I could sell some old parts and mb's and whole computers i got laying for some new things..I need
what's the trick to do that ViViD?
08-23-2009, 12:32 PM
kahuna321

ready to clock

finally got the w/c set up and running. got a quick and easy bump to 4400mhz, need suggestions to get 4500+

this is my setup:

ga ep45 ud3r f9
q9650 vid 1.1875
g.skill lv 9600 4x2g
corsair tx750
4870x2

cpu and nb water cooled now, and at the current settings below I run 52/53c prime and 66/67c intelburn- over 20c cooler than hsf before

here are my current settings:

******Motherboard Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)******

Robust Graphics Booster.........................[ Auto ]
CPU Clock Ratio.................................[ 9 ]
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...........................[0]
CPU Frequency ...........................[ 489x9 ]

******Clock Chip Control******

CPU Host Clock Control..........................[ Enabled ]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz)........................[ 489 ]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).....................[ 100 ]
C.I.A 2.........................................[ Disabled ]

******Advanced Clock Control******

CPU Clock Drive.................................[ 1000mv ]
PCI Express Clock Drive.........................[1000mv ]
CPU Clock Skew..................................[ 0ps ]
MCH Clock Skew..................................[ 50ps ]

******DRAM Performance Control******

Performance Enhance.............................[ Turbo ]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P)..................[ Disabled ]
(G) MCH Frequency Latch.........................[ 333 ]
System Memory Multipler.........................[ 2.40B ]
Memory Frequency 1066...........................[ 1174 ]
DRAM Timing Selectable..........................[ Manual ]

CAS Latency Time................................[5]
tRCD............................................[5]
tRP.............................................[5]
tRAS............................................[15]

******Advanced Timing Control******

tRRD[4]......................................... auto
tWTR[4].........................................auto
tWR[8]...........................................auto
tRFC[72].........................................(54)
tRTP[4]..........................................auto
Command Rate (cmd)[0]....................auto

******Channel A Timing Settings******

Static tRead Value [ 8 ] ......................auto
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]

tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ]

Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ]

******Channel A Driving Settings******

Drive Strength Profile..........................[ auto ]
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]

Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]

******Channel B Timing Settings******

Static tRead Value [ 8 ] .......................auto
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]

tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ]

Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ]

******Channel B Driving Settings******

Drive Strength Profile..........................[ auto ]
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]

Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]

******Motherboard Voltage Control******

Load-Line Calibration...........................[ Enabled ]
CPU Vcore [ 1.2500 ]..........................[ 1.35625 ]
CPU Termination [ 1.200 ]....................[ 1.28 ]
CPU PLL [ 1.500 ]...............................[ 1.50 ]
CPU Reference [ 0.760 ]......................[ 0.863 ]

MCH Core [ 1.100 ].............................[ 1.34 ]
MCH Reference [ 0.760 ]......................[ 0.810 ]
MCH/DRAM Refernce [ 0.900 ]...............[ auto ]
ICH I/O [ 1.500 ].................................[ auto ]
ICH Core [ 1.100 ]...............................[ auto ]

DRAM Voltage [ 1.800 ]........................[ 1.80 ]
DRAM Termination [ 0.900 ]...................[ .90 ]
Channel A Ref [ 0.900 ].......................[ auto ]
Channel B Ref [ 0.900 ]........................[ auto ]

******Advanced BIOS Features******

Limit CPUID Max to 3............................[ Disabled ]
No-Execute memory Protect.......................[ Disabled ]
CPU Enhance Halt (CIE)..........................[ Disabled ]
CPU Thermal Monitor.............................[ Enabled ]
CPU EIST Function...............................[ Disabled ]
Virtualization Technology.......................[ Enabled ]

I have tried to get more the past few days, using several different settings and what little I know from reading forums and observing what works and doesn't work in my system. I know the cpu seems to requie less volts than many of you. I spent several weeks testing different bios settings with th hsf, and hit the wall at 4.3g. Frankly, all I know to do is guess and keep trying. Windows 7 doesnt seem to like bios crashes, and I have had to do a complete reinstall from my server several times. If anyone has advise or could point me to a thread that tell the relationship between settings and how to intelligebtly overclock it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
08-23-2009, 12:45 PM
andressergio

Well guys finally made it :up:

Q9650 vid 1.1875 @ 4905 :D

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5637/49051.png

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1695/validacion.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=670319

Cheers :up:
Sergio
08-23-2009, 12:48 PM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

Well guys finally made it :up:

Q9650 vid 1.1875 @ 4905 :D
Cheers :up:
Sergio

Well done Sergio, now it's time to join the big boys on the 5Ghz club :up:
08-23-2009, 12:55 PM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jor3lBR

Well done Sergio, now it's time to join the big boys on the 5Ghz club :up:

Thank you mate :up: poor lower vid quad burns :rofl:

Cheers :up:
Sergio
08-23-2009, 12:56 PM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahuna321

finally got the w/c set up and running. got a quick and easy bump to 4400mhz, need suggestions to get 4500+

here you go mate, you have same vid as me should be the same

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...197802&page=96

i posted the template there

Cheers :up:
Sergio
08-23-2009, 01:10 PM
jonathankru

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

Thank you mate :up: poor lower vid quad burns :rofl:

Cheers :up:
Sergio

Well DONE. Getting close to 5Ghz
I wish i had a lower VID (Maybe 1.2) . My Chip has a 1,3V VID !!!
Then i could trade some heat for a little less Voltage.

I need 1.45V(in bios) Vcore and 1.38V VTT Just to run 4.25Ghz Stable!!!! But my Max temps are 50 when loading with prime

http://i30.tinypic.com/hsurg9.jpg

How much Vcore do you think these Q9650 can handle on Water?

.
08-23-2009, 02:24 PM
M40TURBO

I have a question. What mb should i get for a q9650? The EP45-UD3P or the EP45T-UD3P. Witch will be best for oc the cpu? Or should i go for a core I7 instead.
Is a I7 worth the extra cash compared to the performance you get from the q9650 at say 4,5ghz.? Just wondering what to go for inn a new build. Going to build inn a lian-li b70, with eighter EP45-UD3P or EP45T-UD3P and q9650.
Or I7 something on a good mb. 2 wc loops and 2 HD 4870x2 cards i think. 2 MCP655 pumps, 2x240 rads or one 2x120 and one 360 rad. Hope it's not to OT..

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