ati cheating in crysis benchmark?

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Originally Posted by insurgent

Or maybe it's Nv's fault that they take a lot of flak? Too much renaming; too arrogant CEO; too expensive GT200 at launch; some cheats/bugs too; wooden screws (that was funneh); late, overhyped and paper launched fermi. Hell, after all these I'm not even crossing them out of my list, I still consider Nv cards when buying.

ATI.. R600 was crap (very late too), R700 was hot with stock cooling but pushed prices down, and R800 was a great launch. :shrug:

I'm guessing others have the same train of thought.

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+1

Remember, Nvidia killed 3dfx! :yepp: :D

Those 2 images make me more happy of my HD5870 :)

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

The cheats that Nvidia used changed the image quality and thus the gameplay but this is hardly a game play changer.

Has anyone seen the AF results of GF100, can you say that the implementation in practicality and theory complement each other? In theory a 5850 is much better than the GTX 480 in AF but does in really translate in practical superior AF performance....

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...X480/480AF.png
GTX 480

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/.../5870/5870.png
5870

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=248897

So AF seems much better in 5870 so one can say Nvidia's implementation should be faster because its not perfect and Nvidia is cheating and gaining performance in AF situations but in reality the IQ is not really influenced that much at all.

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will people stop posting those images, all that says is that ATI has a better angle independence algorithm and nothing else, it doesn't mean the AF quality is better, not in the LEAST! Do you even understand what that image represents?

Here's a quote from anandtech:

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What you won’t see however is a difference, particularly with our static screenshots. When discussing the matter, AMD noted that the difference in perceived quality between the old algorithm and the new one was practically the same. After looking at matters we find ourselves in agreement with AMD; we were not able to come up with any situations where there was a noticeable difference, beyond the obvious AF quality tests that are designed to identify such changes.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841/13

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

The cheats that Nvidia used changed the image quality and thus the gameplay but this is hardly a game play changer.

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nvidia had low iq for a long time after g80 series they finally caught up with ati so you can easily say for example 7800 series iq was cheat :p:

I have a solution. Just boycott Crysis.

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Originally Posted by iddqd

I have a solution. Just boycott Crysis.

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i did 2 years ago :ROTF:

Warning big pictures ahead not 56k friendly

compare the image quality

Settings:

1920*1080 everything maxed up


No Forced Settings

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/844...edsettings.png

AI off 16xAF Forced

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5...ffafforced.png

AI Advanced 16xAF Forced

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8...edafforced.png

AI Standart 16xAF Forced

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2...rtafforced.png

24x Edge detect SSAO mode 16xAF Forced

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/804...rcedaamode.png

Same has above but different zones

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/377...0518130736.png

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7...0518144462.png

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2...0518151276.png


dam this took my a while to upload

that 24 aa is super crazy :banana::banana::banana::banana: just love it best aa mode imho as for comparison we need close ups its impossible to understand this way they all look same

close ups to what trees ? floor?

floor thats what pcgh have done

ok i will take some with different settings

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Originally Posted by Coldon

will people stop posting those images, all that says is that ATI has a better angle independence algorithm and nothing else, it doesn't mean the AF quality is better, not in the LEAST! Do you even understand what that image represents?

Here's a quote from anandtech:



http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841/13

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lol dude did you even read my post??

It goes something like this:

"can you say that the implementation in practicality and theory complement each other? In theory a 5850 is much better than the GTX 480 in AF but does in really translate in practical superior AF performance.............but in reality the IQ is not really influenced that much at all. "

like this?

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4285/noforced.png

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

The cheats that Nvidia used changed the image quality and thus the gameplay but this is hardly a game play changer.

Has anyone seen the AF results of GF100, can you say that the implementation in practicality and theory complement each other? In theory a 5850 is much better than the GTX 480 in AF but does in really translate in practical superior AF performance....

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...X480/480AF.png
GTX 480

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/.../5870/5870.png
5870

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=248897

So AF seems much better in 5870 so one can say Nvidia's implementation should be faster because its not perfect and Nvidia is cheating and gaining performance in AF situations but in reality the IQ is not really influenced that much at all.

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Yeah I've seen that and I had assumed RV870 would have better AF quality until I got my 5770. Flickering wasn't improved at all, and this issue uncovered by pcgh is all the more surprising.

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Originally Posted by Rick Hunter

+1

Remember, Nvidia killed 3dfx! :yepp: :D

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I remember: 3dfx basically killed themselves. nVidia just picked up the pieces.

on-topic. I think this is a bit blown out of the water, can we really speak of cheating nowadays anyway?

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Originally Posted by Scorpio[pt]

Warning big pictures ahead not 56k friendly

compare the image quality

Settings:

1920*1080 everything maxed up


No Forced Settings

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/844...edsettings.png

AI off 16xAF Forced

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5...ffafforced.png

AI Advanced 16xAF Forced

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8...edafforced.png

AI Standart 16xAF Forced

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2...rtafforced.png

24x Edge detect SSAO mode 16xAF Forced

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/804...rcedaamode.png

Same has above but different zones

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/377...0518130736.png

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7...0518144462.png

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2...0518151276.png


dam this took my a while to upload

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Not much difference for the last 3 pictures

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

lol dude did you even read my post??

It goes something like this:

"can you say that the implementation in practicality and theory complement each other? In theory a 5850 is much better than the GTX 480 in AF but does in really translate in practical superior AF performance.............but in reality the IQ is not really influenced that much at all. "

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in theory their AF is not better either. we dont know enough about an algorithm by looking at mip levels in a tunnel. anand's theory misses half of the equation. the 5870's AF severely undersamples to make up for the cost of angle independence. this in turn loses sharp details in textures. there is no such thing as a free lunch.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...eviews/?page=5

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It is pleasant that the overall image of a HD 5000 flickers less than it does on the Radeon HD 4000/3000/2000. The so-called Banding, transitions between textures, is less obvious. After extensive tests and direct comparisons we conclude that the HD 5000 AF is equal to the Nvidia driver default ("Quality” including "Trilinear Optimization”) - except some games like Crysis. With HQ-AF without "economy measures” a modern Geforce still filters more homogenous than a Radeon HD 5000.

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Has requested

i can take more but only tomorrow if you want a particular spot post a screen of it

No forced settings

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4285/noforced.png

AI off 16xAF forced

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6...orcedaioff.png

AI Standart 16xAF Forced

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...aistandart.png

AI Advanced 16xAF Forced

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5...aiadvanced.png

24x Edge Detect SSAO 16x Forced


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8...detectaf16.png

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Originally Posted by Scorpio[pt]

Has requested

i can take more but only tomorrow if you want a particular spot post a screen of it

No forced settings

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4285/noforced.png

AI off 16xAF forced

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6...orcedaioff.png

AI Standart 16xAF Forced

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...aistandart.png

AI Advanced 16xAF Forced

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/5...aiadvanced.png

24x Edge Detect SSAO 16x Forced


http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8...detectaf16.png

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thanks, only 1 looks blurry, the rest look near perfect. but u are looking almost strait down

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Originally Posted by Tim

I remember: 3dfx basically killed themselves. nVidia just picked up the pieces.

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noo waaii man. Nvidia is evil incarnate. :p: ;)


Seriously though, I don't see much of a change between the pics that Scorpio posted. <shrug>

I regularly play MW:LL that uses the Crysis engine and haven't seen any visual difference between the most recent drivers and the last few ones. I'm too busy trying to nail my opponent's mechs to notice a difference in the smoothness of the mipmap transitions. :)

The pics don't show AF because you are not looking far enough away. Go to an open room and just look forward.

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

The cheats that Nvidia used changed the image quality and thus the gameplay but this is hardly a game play changer.

Has anyone seen the AF results of GF100, can you say that the implementation in practicality and theory complement each other? In theory a 5850 is much better than the GTX 480 in AF but does in really translate in practical superior AF performance....

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...X480/480AF.png
GTX 480

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/.../5870/5870.png
5870

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=248897

So AF seems much better in 5870 so one can say Nvidia's implementation should be faster because its not perfect and Nvidia is cheating and gaining performance in AF situations but in reality the IQ is not really influenced that much at all.

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Thanks ajaidev! Yeah, the Evergreen series sure looks to have far superior AF. :D So for image quality, it definitely looks like ATi is the way to go. :p:

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Thanks ajaidev! Yeah, the Evergreen series sure looks to have far superior AF. :D So for image quality, it definitely looks like ATi is the way to go. :p:

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Then how do you explain it having obviously worse texture filtering quality in real life usage compared to GF100?

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Thanks ajaidev! Yeah, the Evergreen series sure looks to have far superior AF. :D So for image quality, it definitely looks like ATi is the way to go. :p:

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Originally Posted by Coldon

will people stop posting those images, all that says is that ATI has a better angle independence algorithm and nothing else, it doesn't mean the AF quality is better, not in the LEAST! Do you even understand what that image represents?

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Damn fanboys...

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Thanks ajaidev! Yeah, the Evergreen series sure looks to have far superior AF. :D So for image quality, it definitely looks like ATi is the way to go. :p:

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You need to pay more attention dude..