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10-09-2009, 09:49 AM
96redformula

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Originally Posted by pvhk

Just got my hd5770:
:)
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...0619copier.jpg

Is that a non NDA card?
10-09-2009, 09:55 AM
zalbard

If they bundle that helmet then I'm sold.
10-09-2009, 10:48 AM
kuhla

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

In this AMD slide about HD5770 performance, it doesn't seem to take a huge impact by using 8xMSAA and 16xAF @1920x1200 (at least compared to 4xMSAA and 8xAF configurations)...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4556/87428019.gif

Note that they aren't comparing against any other card, it's a framerate measurement. The baseline is 30fps.

It seems like a pretty good performance @1920x1200 for a value card of 160$, but it's difficult to compare without other cards results.

If that graph turns out to be true..... that would be pretty great at $160 imho.
10-09-2009, 12:57 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

What? Proof please.
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/53/12

he was attempting to get maximum theoretical rates in his benchmark.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...re-analysis/12
the larrabee whitepaper also talks about this in the fixed function section.
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~dbrooks...e_manycore.pdf
10-09-2009, 01:07 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

he was attempting to get maximum theoretical rates in his benchmark.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...re-analysis/12
the larrabee whitepaper also talks about this in the fixed function section.
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~dbrooks...e_manycore.pdf

I understand that but it also shows that it is not necessarily bandwidth limited.
Where in those sources does it show/say that texture filtering is "bottlenecked by bandwidth?"

Only reason that GTX285 is performing "better" is because it is doing less work and produces a lesser quality of AF.
10-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I understand that but it also shows that it is not necessarily bandwidth limited.
Where in those sources does it show/say that texture filtering is "bottlenecked by bandwidth?"

Only reason that GTX285 is performing "better" is because it is doing less work and produces a lesser quality of AF.

its obvious that the quality is higher in rv870. i would expect fermi to have higher quality than the older nv algorithms. they have been using the same one since g80. its also BS that review sites bump up AA and res and make it look like a card is more powerful. there is a reason we use adaptive AF rather than .
the larrabee paper said that interpolation done through software is slower but the difference is negligible. calculation is not the bottleneck.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55241
10-09-2009, 02:49 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

its obvious that the quality is higher in rv870. i would expect fermi to have higher quality than the older nv algorithms. they have been using the same one since g80. its also BS that review sites bump up AA and res and make it look like a card is more powerful. there is a reason we use adaptive AF rather than .
the larrabee paper said that interpolation done through software is slower but the difference is negligible. calculation is not the bottleneck.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=55241

Correct, interpolation done through the shaders is slower but it also allows more than enough data to be fed to the TMUs to keep them at near peak performance, when needed. Compared to the 32 interpolators in RV770, RV870's peak theoretical interpolation is much higher.
10-09-2009, 04:28 PM
Stukov

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Originally Posted by Farinorco

In this AMD slide about HD5770 performance, it doesn't seem to take a huge impact by using 8xMSAA and 16xAF @1920x1200 (at least compared to 4xMSAA and 8xAF configurations)...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4556/87428019.gif

Note that they aren't comparing against any other card, it's a framerate measurement. The baseline is 30fps.

It seems like a pretty good performance @1920x1200 for a value card of 160$, but it's difficult to compare without other cards results.

Even still, the 5770 is really designed to be played at 1680x1050 resolutions and lower.
10-09-2009, 05:47 PM
pr@$r1g

2x5770 would be same as 1x 5870 !!!!!!!!
it seems the core is the same 4890 ,more than 800sp would have been better.........................
10-09-2009, 06:12 PM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo

So your saying this is a good upgrade over a 4870? This just a bait and switch industry. We give you DX11 and we cut the memory bus, the PCB, and also make a cheaper card to produce. Tell me where Im getting more for my money? This just like the i5 we make more, you get less senario.

NO! We are saying that given the choice, you can choose the same level of performance, but gain DX11 and effeciency..! Thus, to many, the 5770 is a BETTER choice than the 4870... ATi think so too, thats why it's one series higher!
10-10-2009, 07:55 AM
Glow9

Okay so I am reaaaaaallly getting confused on this card by the reviews I'm reading. In some reviews the 5770 can't beat a GTS 250 in others its comparable to a 4890. Can someone tell me wtf is right?
10-10-2009, 08:11 AM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Glow9

Okay so I am reaaaaaallly getting confused on this card by the reviews I'm reading. In some reviews the 5770 can't beat a GTS 250 in others its comparable to a 4890. Can someone tell me wtf is right?

Without seeing too many benchmarks, it seems to be similar to a 4870, give or take ~10% depending on the benchmark, so slightly less than a 4890 at times but above the 4850.
10-10-2009, 08:15 AM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Without seeing too many benchmarks, it seems to be similar to a 4870, give or take ~10% depending on the benchmark, so slightly less than a 4890 at times but above the 4850.

alright thx, so essentially it will be the mid range price point card for ATI w/DX11? I hope they intend on getting rid of the 4870's so they aren't trying to sell a bazillion cards at a time. Like another company I can think of. If this card is $160 seems pretty reasonable for this. But what will be replacing the 4890? Or will this be replacing the $180-200 spot, I just find it odd if it isn't as fast. The 4890 is a great card after all.
10-10-2009, 08:20 AM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Glow9

alright thx, so essentially it will be the mid range price point card for ATI w/DX11? I hope they intend on getting rid of the 4870's so they aren't trying to sell a bazillion cards at a time. Like another company I can think of. If this card is $160 seems pretty reasonable for this. But what will be replacing the 4890? Or will this be replacing the $180-200 spot, I just find it odd if it isn't as fast. The 4890 is a great card after all.

The 5770 is going to be ~$160 at launch.
RV770/790 is already EOL, they are still working on clearing inventory.

As far as replacing the 4890, there are a couple different schools of thought.
One is to just overclock the 5770 to around 950mhz and just let that fill the gap, others are thinking that if they could use a lower binned Cypress, either a really slow 1440SP chip or maybe a 1120SP chip w/ decent clocks would fit in pretty well as a 5830. The last possibility is that they left some room for the 5850/5870 to drop once GF100 is released.
10-10-2009, 09:13 AM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

The 5770 is going to be ~$160 at launch.
RV770/790 is already EOL, they are still working on clearing inventory.

As far as replacing the 4890, there are a couple different schools of thought.
One is to just overclock the 5770 to around 950mhz and just let that fill the gap, others are thinking that if they could use a lower binned Cypress, either a really slow 1440SP chip or maybe a 1120SP chip w/ decent clocks would fit in pretty well as a 5830. The last possibility is that they left some room for the 5850/5870 to drop once GF100 is released.

Ah, so it might be like how the 4890 is like the dirt cheap ones at stock then paying a premium for the higher clocked ones? When is the GF100 coming out? I wouldn't mind a 5850 for $180 hehehehe
10-10-2009, 09:16 AM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by Glow9

Ah, so it might be like how the 4890 is like the dirt cheap ones at stock then paying a premium for the higher clocked ones? When is the GF100 coming out? I wouldn't mind a 5850 for $180 hehehehe

The 5850 will be $199 all threw the Xmas holiday shopping season, most likely..
10-10-2009, 09:24 AM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

The 5850 will be $199 all threw the Xmas holiday shopping season, most likely..

I forget is it after xmas that vid cards then shoot back up or drop?
10-10-2009, 05:04 PM
onethreehill

HD5770 benchmarked
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=98
10-10-2009, 05:48 PM
overclocking101

Yeah ive read over this whole thread and am a bit confused myself tbh. so the 5770 is basically the 4870 in disguise? like performance wise?? if so then why not get a 4870? any rumor on a 5770X2? these seem like great performers for the price but is there a reason why theres not many benches with them yet?
10-10-2009, 06:06 PM
Mr.BSEL

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Originally Posted by overclocking101

Yeah ive read over this whole thread and am a bit confused myself tbh. so the 5770 is basically the 4870 in disguise? like performance wise?? if so then why not get a 4870? any rumor on a 5770X2? these seem like great performers for the price but is there a reason why theres not many benches with them yet?

I don't think the 5770x2 rumor has any validity since the two 5770s would be the exact same thing as one 5870 and their prices would probably be the same.
10-10-2009, 06:16 PM
tajoh111

AMD really has a complete portfolio for their videocards, but that 5750 cooler is ugly as sin, is a dual slot and dumps heat back into the case.
10-10-2009, 09:06 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by overclocking101

Yeah ive read over this whole thread and am a bit confused myself tbh. so the 5770 is basically the 4870 in disguise? like performance wise?? if so then why not get a 4870? any rumor on a 5770X2? these seem like great performers for the price but is there a reason why theres not many benches with them yet?

4870 doesn't have DX11, nor a ~110w TDP.
NDA doesn't expire until the 13th of October.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

AMD really has a complete portfolio for their videocards, but that 5750 cooler is ugly as sin, is a dual slot and dumps heat back into the case.

Not sure why everyone dislikes stock coolers that don't exhaust out. When ATi has a card that exhausts out the back people complain about the noise, when they have a good performing cooler that is quiet, people complain about the looks and the "heat dump."
Most of us here are going to replace the stock cooler anyway and the highest performing aftermarket coolers do not exhaust out the back anyways...
10-11-2009, 02:42 PM
onethreehill

Sapphire HD 5770 in stock
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...namitedata.com
10-11-2009, 02:52 PM
flippin_waffles

Just in case someone somehow misses it and goes off on a pricing rant, those are Canadian dollars.:p:
10-11-2009, 04:53 PM
96redformula

I can't wait to grab the 5770, I will be waiting for one to pop up to grab one asap .

Anybody have a clue as to how much availability will be at launch?

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